Ben Shapiro Honors Charlie Kirk's Greatest Debate Moments After His Tragic Assassination

[00:00] All righty, folks. As you know, since

[00:01] Charlie Kirk's assassination, the left

[00:03] has been out there telling an enormous

[00:04] number of lies about the positions that

[00:06] Charlie took, what Charlie actually had

[00:07] to say. In fact, there are a lot of

[00:09] people telling a lot of lies about what

[00:10] Charlie said publicly. And so today, I

[00:12] want to go through some of the greatest

[00:14] Charlie Kirk debate hits. I knew Charlie

[00:16] for a very, very long time. And I have

[00:18] to say, one of Charlie's amazing gifts

[00:20] was his ability to make himself better

[00:22] at enormous number of things. When I

[00:24] first met Charlie, he was okay at

[00:26] debate. became truly one of the great

[00:28] debaters by by the time he was murdered.

[00:30] These clips, they're they're inspiring.

[00:32] Charlie was great at this. Let's go

[00:34] through some of them. See what Charlie

[00:35] actually believed. Here is Charlie Kirk

[00:37] talking about abortion over at Oxford

[00:38] Union.

[00:39] So, what about abortions in cases of

[00:41] sexual assault or rape?

[00:43] Yeah. So, again, let's just say I have

[00:45] two ultrasounds here. One of the

[00:47] ultrasound is a baby that is conceived

[00:48] in rape. The other one is from a loving

[00:50] marriage. Do we know which one is which?

[00:54] So, they're both human beings and they

[00:56] both deserve human rights. Someone in

[00:57] this audience was conceived and raped.

[00:59] Do you know who?

[01:01] Tell me, do they look different? Do they

[01:03] get less rights? Are you not able to

[01:05] have free speech rights cuz you're a

[01:06] rape baby? No. We believe in universal

[01:08] human equality regardless of how

[01:10] horrific or evil the method of

[01:12] conception is. That is what built the

[01:14] West and I will continue to defend that.

[01:16] So then what happens in cases when the

[01:18] baby from that is a product of rape or

[01:20] sexual assault is mistreated, is abused?

[01:23] It's a separate issue. There's plenty of

[01:24] babies that are in loving monogous

[01:26] marriages that are mistreated and

[01:27] abused. Separate. There is no

[01:29] correlation. There's no moral

[01:30] justification to say that I think or I

[01:32] even have data that that baby will be

[01:34] mis be abused or mistreated. Therefore,

[01:36] murder is okay.

[01:37] I mean, there is correlation. I think

[01:38] it's very clear when they've been

[01:40] perceived in very very horrific

[01:41] situations. The mother specifically as

[01:43] well is obviously in terms of mentally

[01:45] the impact they have on her that still

[01:46] the mother has to raise that baby all

[01:48] the way till 18 years old.

[01:48] Still not a justification for murder.

[01:50] And if you think that abortion is just a

[01:53] medical procedure, a cosmetic type

[01:55] intervention, no different than getting

[01:56] plastic surgery, women have regrets

[01:58] after abortion, they have psychological

[02:00] trauma. Again, the question is, do we

[02:03] defend human life universally as a

[02:05] statement? And if the question is, I'm

[02:07] going to just kind of well, I can

[02:09] eliminate the smaller life because I

[02:11] have regret of a sexual encounter I had,

[02:13] then I find great question with that.

[02:15] So, I mean, look at how good that is. I

[02:18] mean, that really, really is good. The

[02:19] best thing here from Charlie is that

[02:21] image at the very beginning. It's a

[02:22] creative use of an image that really

[02:24] clarifies. When he says at the very

[02:26] beginning, you've got two pictures of an

[02:27] ultrasound. You don't know which is

[02:28] which. Are you going to make a decision

[02:30] about which one of these babies gets to

[02:32] be terminated? It's a fantastic point.

[02:34] It's irrefutable. There's no way to

[02:35] rebut it without actually going to the

[02:37] heart of the matter, which is you don't

[02:38] actually think that human life begins at

[02:40] conception. Or if you do, if you

[02:41] acknowledge that reality, then you are

[02:43] okay with certain types of killing. Next

[02:44] up, Charlie Kirk did Gavin Newsome's

[02:47] podcast. And again, this is just an

[02:48] example of the reality, which is that

[02:50] Charlie was willing to go talk to pretty

[02:52] much anybody. He had debates and and

[02:53] conversations with pretty much anybody.

[02:55] And this is what he was murdered doing.

[02:57] Even Gavin Newsome recognized that.

[02:59] Gavin had a conversation with with

[03:01] Charlie. The conversation did not go

[03:03] well for Gavin Newsome for a good

[03:04] reason.

[03:05] What do you do? But what do you do?

[03:06] Seriously, Charlie Kirk, give us some

[03:08] advice.

[03:08] Better ideas, Governor. Like, for

[03:09] example, I mean, like if you want to

[03:11] like you have an opportunity to like,

[03:13] you know, run to the middle and seize

[03:14] this man. Obviously, you're talking to

[03:15] me about people. So, like you right now

[03:17] should come out and be like, you know

[03:18] what, the young man who's about to win

[03:20] the state championship in the long jump

[03:22] in female sports, right? That's that

[03:24] that shouldn't happen. You as the

[03:25] governor should step out and say no.

[03:27] No. And I appreciate and and

[03:28] but like would you do something like

[03:29] that? Would you say no men in female

[03:31] sports?

[03:31] Well, it's I think it's an issue of

[03:32] fairness. I completely agree with you on

[03:34] that.

[03:34] It is an issue of fairness. It's deeply

[03:36] unfair. Would you speak out against this

[03:38] young man, AB Hernandez, who right now

[03:40] is going to win the state championship

[03:41] in the long

[03:42] I can see you wrestling with it. No, I'm

[03:43] not wrestling. I'm not relaxing with the

[03:45] the fairness issue. I totally agree with

[03:47] you. The issue of fairness is completely

[03:48] legit and I I saw that the last couple

[03:51] years. Boy, did I saw how you guys were

[03:54] able to weaponize that issue at another

[03:55] level.

[03:55] Not weaponized. Don't that's that's

[03:56] well weaponized maybe pjorative. You're

[03:58] right. But you were able to

[04:00] shine a light on

[04:01] highlight it in a way that frankly I

[04:03] there not that many. We're talking about

[04:05] I think ND NC2A what 510,000. No, no,

[04:08] but I just didn't realize.

[04:09] It's 890 medals and trophies that we

[04:11] know of in the last 5 years. That's a

[04:12] lot.

[04:13] So again, look at Charlie just just

[04:15] corner Nuome and he's right. You can see

[04:17] Nome getting ever more uncomfortable

[04:19] because he understands that he's now

[04:20] boxed himself in that once he says it's

[04:22] a fairness issue. Then why don't you

[04:23] just say that it shouldn't happen? And

[04:26] this this was a very bad exchange for

[04:27] Newsome because one of the things that

[04:29] happened from it is that it starts to be

[04:30] implied that maybe he was actually going

[04:32] to break the mold. It would have been

[04:33] good for him to do it. By the way,

[04:34] Charlie was right about this. It would

[04:35] have been very good for for Gavin

[04:36] Newsome to run to the middle on this

[04:37] issue and just take that issue off the

[04:39] table for Democrats. Nuome wouldn't do

[04:41] it because it is an order of faith for

[04:44] Democrats that men can become women and

[04:45] women can become men and some sort of

[04:47] sin to claim the opposite. So here was

[04:50] Charlie back at Oxford Union talking

[04:52] about trans. Now of course this is an

[04:53] issue that effectively got him killed

[04:55] because the assassin of Charlie Kirk was

[04:58] a gay man in a relationship with a man

[05:01] who believed he was a woman and who

[05:04] believed that that the assassin thought

[05:06] that Charlie was hateful for saying that

[05:07] men aren't women. Here is Charlie

[05:08] defending that position. See if this

[05:10] sounds hateful to you.

[05:11] You have previously expressed the view

[05:12] that people who identify as trans are

[05:14] part of a social contagion due to causes

[05:17] such as bullying and autism. Why do you

[05:19] hold this position? And what evidence do

[05:21] you have to support this position?

[05:22] Well, I mean, it's true. I mean, first

[05:24] of all, you you can't be what you are

[05:26] not very fundamentally. So, if you are a

[05:29] man, you can't become a woman. If you're

[05:30] a woman, you can't become a man. Um, as

[05:33] far as the bullying, I mean, we know

[05:34] this because of the skyrocketing rates

[05:37] of, um, peer pressure, social contagion

[05:40] data. In fact, the Cass report was one

[05:42] of the most interesting ones. You guys

[05:44] are actually better on the trans issue

[05:45] than us. Don't mess it up, guys, please.

[05:47] Uh, your Supreme Court actually defined,

[05:50] I think, what was it like a man, what a

[05:52] man as a man and a woman as a woman.

[05:54] Like, they actually had clarity on this

[05:55] topic recently. Um, by the way, you all

[05:58] can agree that JK Rowling is a hero.

[05:59] Yes.

[06:01] So funny how the left will no longer

[06:02] applaud their heroes when you

[06:04] differentiate from the faith. Everyone

[06:06] love JK Rowling. She's wonderful. Make

[06:08] her a dame. She's the best. She's Oh,

[06:10] she says that a woman is a woman and is

[06:12] a man is a man. Crucify her.

[06:14] Colorful stuff there from from Charlie.

[06:16] Obviously, the point that he's making

[06:18] about rapid onset gender dysphoria, it

[06:20] was backed by a study at Brown

[06:22] University, rapid onset gender

[06:23] dysphoria, that demonstrated repeatedly

[06:26] that there was a a massive uptick in the

[06:28] number of young girls who were

[06:29] identifying as transgender for a very

[06:31] very long time. All studies showed that

[06:33] it was essentially a subset of young

[06:35] males who were identifying as girls and

[06:38] then all of a sudden disproportionately

[06:40] women, young girls, you know, underage

[06:41] girls actually started identifying as

[06:43] transgender and it was all in small

[06:45] social groups and one girl would go

[06:47] transgender and then all would go

[06:48] transgender. The researcher in that case

[06:50] was suspended by Brown for that

[06:52] discovery. Abigail Shrier talks about

[06:54] this in her book irreversible damage and

[06:56] the data are very clear on this. It is

[06:58] absolutely 100% a social contagion,

[07:00] which is why you go from a fraction of a

[07:02] fraction of a percentage of people

[07:04] identifying as transgender to 25% of all

[07:10] of the young generation identifying as

[07:12] LGBT and a significant percentage of

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[08:31] So obviously Charlie was murdered while

[08:33] he was doing his debates on campus.

[08:36] Those became quite viral on TikTok

[08:38] particularly. He would show up with the

[08:39] traveling tent that said prove me wrong.

[08:41] Here is one of these debates that he had

[08:43] with one of the students over DEI.

[08:45] What do you think about blind hiring?

[08:47] Are you for blind hiring?

[08:49] No.

[08:49] No. So why not? Because blind hiring,

[08:52] for those you who don't know, is based

[08:53] on merit where you don't look.

[08:55] So what's blind hiring?

[08:56] Blind hiring would be that you do not

[08:58] put the race actually when you submit

[08:59] for you actually you don't even see the

[09:01] person when you interview them for a a

[09:03] job.

[09:03] No, no, no. That's that's one part of

[09:04] blind hiring. There's multiple ways to

[09:06] do blind hiring, but at the end of the

[09:07] day, blind hiring is exactly not knowing

[09:10] the person's race. age or gender. That's

[09:12] based on merit. Like you said, you want

[09:14] merit, correct?

[09:15] Well, hold on. Those things can factor

[09:17] into merit as well. For example, if I'm

[09:19] trying to hire for an Amazon warehouse

[09:21] worker and all of a sudden I find out

[09:23] that they're at 69 with one year left

[09:25] from retirement and the age is not

[09:26] disclosed, wouldn't I prefer to have a

[09:28] 24 year old man than a 69year-old woman

[09:30] who's overweight?

[09:31] You're moving the goalpost. Let's bring

[09:32] it back here. So, no, the whole point

[09:34] was about blind hiring. No, you just

[09:36] said you said race, sex, and age

[09:39] is not incorporated. Correct. I think

[09:41] you should have a full picture of of a

[09:43] human being is when you hire them.

[09:45] So, you care about diversity.

[09:46] No, actually, I don't.

[09:47] How? Why? Because that's basically

[09:49] merit. You're focusing solely on merit.

[09:52] You said you want me.

[09:53] Just to be clear, I want I I if

[09:55] diversity happens naturally through

[09:56] meritocracy, great. If all of a sudden

[09:58] we have people that Well, no, no, it's

[10:00] not. DI is by force. No, no, I got to I

[10:03] got to interject.

[10:05] that we are going to forcibly make an

[10:07] institution more colorful. We're going

[10:08] to forcibly make an institution more

[10:10] black where if all of a sudden if half

[10:12] of Texas&M was black because it was all

[10:14] on merit, praise God. That's an amazing

[10:16] thing. It doesn't matter. If all of a

[10:18] sudden, for example, if the NBA is 75%

[10:20] black because it's on merit, great.

[10:22] Terrific. If the NFL is half black

[10:24] because on merit, we don't want to force

[10:26] race. We want excellence and meritocracy

[10:28] over race in every possible

[10:30] circumstance.

[10:33] Okay. So, I think that even the person

[10:35] that Charlie's supposedly debating here

[10:37] seems to agree with that basic premise.

[10:38] And Charlie is cutting through the

[10:40] semantic game that's being played here.

[10:41] The semantic game that's being played is

[10:43] the idea that if you want to take into

[10:46] consideration relevant factors, that's

[10:48] some form of DEI. No, that is the

[10:50] opposite of DEI if the factors are

[10:51] relevant. What Charlie, I'm sure, was in

[10:53] favor of and articulated many times that

[10:55] he was in favor of raceelind

[10:56] meritocracy. So, if if the question is

[10:59] blind hiring where you don't put the

[11:01] person's race on the form, then yeah, I

[11:04] think Charlie would have been in favor

[11:05] of that. I' been shocked if he wouldn't

[11:06] be in favor of that. Here's Charlie on

[11:08] campus debating the Second Amendment

[11:09] with somebody. In United States, there

[11:11] are 397 gun deaths in 2019 alone. The

[11:15] average of one gun related death every

[11:17] 11 minutes. In 2023, there were 346

[11:20] school shooting incidents in the US. So

[11:22] far, there have been 385 mass shootings

[11:24] in 2024. And a mass shooting is defined

[11:26] as an incident in which four or more

[11:28] people are injured or killed. Why are

[11:29] you pro- second amendment? And can you

[11:31] give me your stance on that?

[11:31] Great. So, I just want to make sure I

[11:33] can know where you're coming from. Do

[11:34] you believe owning a firearm is a right

[11:36] or a privilege?

[11:37] I believe it's a privilege. I'm going to

[11:38] go with that.

[11:39] Okay. So, then you you do not believe in

[11:41] the Second Amendment as it is written.

[11:42] No, I believe it needs to be amended. I

[11:44] believe in a ban for guns.

[11:45] Okay. So, that's where we disagree and

[11:46] that's okay. We have clarity but not

[11:48] agreement. I believe that the right to

[11:49] protect yourself and your family against

[11:52] a tyrannical government or a home

[11:53] invader is a inalienable right that must

[11:56] be protected and that no one can take it

[11:58] away. Now let's just and that's okay. We

[12:00] have we have clarity on that. Now let's

[12:03] go through why I believe that and some

[12:05] also some clarifying statistics.

[12:06] Everything you said is true but one part

[12:09] of it is misleading

[12:10] is that yes there are there are about

[12:12] 30,000 gun deaths a year or death by

[12:15] firearm but twothirds of them are death

[12:17] by suicide.

[12:18] Yes. Yeah. Right.

[12:22] 11 minutes.

[12:27] You and I would both agree though that

[12:28] if someone is committing suicide with a

[12:30] firearm, there's other underlying

[12:31] issues. The firearm is secondary. Okay.

[12:33] So that that's a reason. Thank you for

[12:34] agreeing with that. Okay. So therefore,

[12:36] that gives you about 10,000 gun deaths a

[12:38] year. The vast majority of those are

[12:40] gang related in about 10 cities across

[12:43] the country. Not excusing it, but

[12:45] there's other underlying factors

[12:46] associated with it. Now, let's get into

[12:49] what our position is. Those of us that

[12:51] believe in the Second Amendment, we

[12:52] fully acknowledge that when you have

[12:54] liberty that you're going to have

[12:57] sometimes undesirable outcomes. For

[13:00] example, there are 50,000 people a year

[13:03] that die in auto fatalities.

[13:05] Mhm.

[13:05] And it's tragic. However, no reasonable

[13:08] person would come up to the mic and say,

[13:09] "Let's ban driving."

[13:10] And an excellent, well-reasoned argument

[13:12] from Charlie. He's going point by point

[13:14] through the statistics. And when he gets

[13:15] to the the final conclusion, which is

[13:17] that public policy is a series of

[13:18] trade-offs, that really is is the key

[13:20] thing. That really is the key thing.

[13:22] Now, it'd be interesting to hear the

[13:24] argument from the other side that gun

[13:27] rights are not pure self-defense. There

[13:29] are other forms of self-defense that if

[13:30] you have a society that didn't have any

[13:32] guns in the first place, that maybe you

[13:33] don't want to bring guns in, right?

[13:34] That's an argument that's been made with

[13:35] regard to societies that actually do not

[13:37] have many guns in them. There are some

[13:39] really fascinating debates to be had

[13:40] with with the Second Amendment here, but

[13:41] Charlie's making obviously a very

[13:43] forceful and rational defense for the

[13:45] Second Amendment there. Here is Charlie

[13:46] Kirk debating Western civilization on

[13:49] campus.

[13:49] What country has ever grown stronger the

[13:52] more divided it's been?

[13:54] None. But I'm not saying that to get

[13:56] more divided.

[13:57] No, but but diversity definitionally

[14:00] will divide you. Unity uni unifies you.

[14:02] You notice they never say unity is our

[14:03] strength. They say diversity is our

[14:04] strength. In fact, just so we are clear,

[14:07] there is nothing racist or xenophobic to

[14:10] say that you want your kids to be around

[14:13] people that speak English. There's

[14:14] nothing racist to say that. It actually

[14:16] means that you want to be able to

[14:17] communicate with your neighbor. There's

[14:19] nothing racist and xenophobic to say,

[14:22] for example, we don't want to import

[14:23] people from a far-off distant land that

[14:26] don't share Western values, that don't

[14:28] treat women the same, that don't have

[14:30] the same respect for freedom of speech.

[14:31] So what we see is the unraveling of the

[14:33] United States of America because a

[14:36] country is is is again it is the people

[14:38] that inhabit it. So you have to be very

[14:40] careful what people you allow into your

[14:41] country.

[14:42] Sure. And I but I think that what you're

[14:43] talking about this like mass shift in

[14:45] American culture is like not happening.

[14:48] I think you're fear-mongering. And also

[14:50] I I think that the United States forever

[14:52] has been a mix of culture. I don't

[14:54] really know like where you can point to

[14:57] a time in the US history that hasn't

[15:00] included immigrants in its culture.

[15:02] Again, from the 20s to the 1920s and

[15:03] 1960s, we had very little immigration in

[15:06] this country nearly 40 years. In fact,

[15:08] that is what largely led to us becoming

[15:11] a world superpower in the 1950s.

[15:13] Yeah. So the you know argument here that

[15:16] he is making about diversity that

[15:17] diversity just inherently is is not our

[15:21] strength that unity is our strength that

[15:22] that's obviously true. You could have

[15:24] theoretically racial diversity with

[15:26] unity of purpose. That's what many

[15:28] churches are about, for example. So, I

[15:30] don't think Charlie is arguing against

[15:31] diversity on its own. He's just saying

[15:33] that diversity as our strength is a

[15:35] nonsensical slogan. As far as his final

[15:38] immigration point that that, you know,

[15:39] immigration is somehow inherently

[15:41] weakening. I mean, there's actually a

[15:42] point where I sort of disagree with

[15:43] Charlie. The reality is that the booming

[15:45] economy of the 1950s was not brought

[15:46] about by low immigration policies in the

[15:48] 1930s and 40s. was brought about by the

[15:50] fact that the entire world had been

[15:51] destroyed in World War II except for the

[15:53] industrial capacity of the United States

[15:56] and actually the very fast growth period

[15:59] of the American historical spectrum from

[16:02] say the 1880s to the 1920s which were a

[16:04] very very high growth area of the

[16:05] American economy that actually we

[16:07] actually did have quite high immigration

[16:08] during that time. So you can make the

[16:09] argument against mass immigration. I

[16:11] make that argument all the time because

[16:13] the factors have changed, including with

[16:14] regard to the welfare state, for

[16:16] example, and our failure to assimilate

[16:18] people in. I I sort of disagree actually

[16:20] with Charlie's economic argument there.

[16:21] Well, Charlie also did a debate recently

[16:23] over at Cambridge where he made his

[16:25] positions with regard to the Israel

[16:27] Hamas conflict absolutely clear.

[16:29] In the conflict of Israel versus Hamas,

[16:30] who's the good guy?

[16:32] I believe both Hamas and the Israeli

[16:34] government are evil, but I think also

[16:37] that there is no just equally. There is

[16:39] no justification for the murder and

[16:42] mutilation of thousands of innocent

[16:44] people and children. It's a futile.

[16:47] There is no justification, Mr.

[16:49] President.

[16:51] For invading hospitals, for bombing

[16:54] innocent populations, and dragging out a

[16:55] war which is damaging Israel and the

[16:57] West.

[16:58] You've made that that point. But

[16:59] it's not a point. It's a moral truth,

[17:01] isn't it?

[17:01] Okay. Yeah. It was also a moral truth

[17:02] that the war started because 1300 Jews

[17:05] were killed and 200 were taken hostage.

[17:06] And when you declare war on Israel,

[17:08] expect a firestorm in reaction. Let me

[17:11] finish. I let you talk. Israel at its

[17:14] holiest day of the calendar year besides

[17:17] Yam Kapour and Rashashana, Samat Kur,

[17:19] the 50-year anniversary of the six- day

[17:21] war. On Shabbat, Hamas invaded Israel,

[17:24] deciding to go recklessly to music

[17:26] concerts, to homes, to kabutz, and

[17:29] taking 200 plus hostages. They knew what

[17:31] they were doing. In one of the most

[17:33] cloistered urban environments on the

[17:34] planet, two million people live in a

[17:36] place where it's impossible to wage war.

[17:38] Impossible. Where they wear civilian

[17:40] clothing, they violate every tenant at

[17:42] the Geneva Convention. And the IDF, when

[17:44] they do something right, they get no

[17:45] credit. When they do life-saving

[17:46] surgeries of a Gazian child, they get no

[17:48] credit. When they drive leaflets, drop

[17:50] leaflets, they get no credit. But when

[17:51] they happen to bomb a place where they

[17:53] are operating their military from, which

[17:55] we now know from third party verified

[17:57] sources, hundreds of Hamas military

[17:59] operations are in mosques, schools, and

[18:01] hospitals. I'm sorry, the country that

[18:03] where they were living in relative peace

[18:05] on October 6 that all of a sudden we had

[18:07] a war and Hamas started the war. And I

[18:09] don't see people that were really upset

[18:10] about the two million Germans that were

[18:12] killed in World War II, civilians. A

[18:14] tragic truth of war is that civilians

[18:16] die. I don't like it and you don't like

[18:18] it. And they brought it upon themselves.

[18:20] The only operation and entity to blame

[18:22] is the leadership of Hamas, not the

[18:24] Israeli government, for fighting this

[18:26] defensive war after they were invaded.

[18:27] There is a good guy and there is a bad

[18:29] guy. I'm I honestly the morality of the

[18:32] child. Well, instead Well, hold on.

[18:37] It's interesting you say that because a

[18:39] child who knows that Israel is the good

[18:42] guy, Hamas is bad, has a lot more wisdom

[18:44] than a student like yourself at

[18:45] Cambridge University.

[18:47] Well, Charlie says it quite well there.

[18:49] All right. folks. Well, obviously

[18:51] Charlie's legacy is going to live on in

[18:53] clips like the ones we've shown you.

[18:55] Charlie's a very strong debater. He took

[18:58] very strong public positions. Those

[18:59] clips are going to get traffic for

[19:01] decades to come. They're clips that

[19:02] you're going to show your kids. Their

[19:03] kids are probably going to show their

[19:04] kids. There's a reason that Charlie

[19:06] racked up in the months leading up to

[19:07] the last election cycle, something like

[19:09] 15 billion views on various social media

[19:12] outlets. He leaves behind a lot, and for

[19:14] that at least, we are very grateful.