Charlie Kirk and Cenk Uygur Find Surprising Common Ground on Money in Politics and Foreign Policy

[00:00] [Music] all right back at The Young Turks uh at the RNC J you gr Spar as you can tell Charlie Kirk joins us it's been a while

[00:06] yeah it has good to have you here from Talking Points USA uh and so close

[00:11] turning point oh did I say that that's hilarious I meant turning point USA that was a 40 slip okay so uh so Charlie you

[00:20] and I now have some strange agreements okay so the whole world is just it's

[00:25] it's it's coming to an end right so but believe me we have plenty of disagreement so we're going to get to it

[00:31] uh so we both think Biden's a bad candidate uh we both uh say that we

[00:36] represent the popular swing of our parties right so let me start with a simple question um do you want Biden to

[00:44] stay the Democratic Domin boy that's a good question

[00:49] yes yes I think that he's probably the most beatable right now I I would think

[00:54] so yeah especially especially Democrat corporate oligarch Biden that he's

[01:00] leaned into kind of more of the progressive stuff over the last couple weeks I think that makes him harder to beat but I just don't think he's not all

[01:06] mentally there okay good one so let's talk a little bit about some of the

[01:13] vulnerabilities on the right you know one thing that I've noticed you say other members of conservative media say

[01:20] is that you know the female vote is a lot more difficult for conservatives right or for the Republican party that

[01:27] the unmarried women women are more likely to vote for Democrats that's the problem we need to get women married and

[01:34] they'll change their political views but honestly I I wonder if you realize

[01:40] statements like the one you made at a turning point USA event you said something along the lines of well women

[01:47] are past their Prime once they turn 30 right do you ever wonder whether those kinds of messages might actually be you

[01:54] know a little offensive to women and then they might think that represents the entirety of the Republican party you

[02:01] know it's not exactly the most welcoming message for women well I mean first what I what I said specif it's close to what

[02:07] I said but what I said is as women get older the dating pool shrinks which is obvious I think you would agree with

[02:14] that there's so I mean unfortunately that's the biological reality we live in

[02:19] but yeah look I mean we do a big Women's Summit I think that our agenda is very popular for all people and but it's not

[02:25] a new phenomenon that young young women lean liberal but certainly since the you know reverse of R versus Wade and bring

[02:31] it back to the States Democrats have enjoyed some I think short-lived popularity with young female voters for

[02:38] sure now uh right here at the convention you said

[02:43] that all men should vote for Trump well I didn't say well I do think I'll mention I said that you're not a man if

[02:49] you don't vote with Trump yeah that's even worse of course yeah so so look I mean come on chank look at that I mean

[02:55] can your candidate do that yeah no no who and so look who's your preferred

[03:01] candidate oh I would I would never you think Bernie could do this if Bernie got shot would Bernie do this look I hope

[03:06] nobody ever gets shot how about we never find out we never find hey greter Whitmer almost got kidnapped by you guys

[03:11] so so she was pretty courageous on that too so okay anyway think Gavin new would

[03:17] do this he got shot he would run quick away if Gavin new got shot so but I'm giv you a hard time I know Charlie look

[03:23] I said that Trump that day was courageous you were legit that's why I'm here today is because you were like one

[03:29] of the honest guys on the left that was like okay that's pretty ballsy yeah no question he did a great job and I love

[03:34] when the crowd chanted USA USA because the president had just been saved right and and so former president but we still

[03:41] call former presidents president Trump Etc and that was a great moment he says fight fight fight they say USA USA I

[03:47] love that that makes me proud of America okay now having said that you know that that has nothing to do with policy so as

[03:54] if you're a man who cares about name fill in the blank universal healthcare Paid Family Leave hire minimum wage

[04:00] which leads to higher wages overall you care about fighting inflation you care about getting corruption out of politics

[04:06] why the hell would Trump doing that affect my vote at all that's a super fair question and what I was basically

[04:12] getting at is that if this doesn't as a man earn you some political points of respect that's what the essence of what

[04:17] I was saying but of course that you're electing a president a set of policies in four years and that's that's a that's a fair critique okay so I want to ask

[04:25] you about Ron McDaniel because you led the charge against her at Romney I'm kiding okay you can call whatever you

[04:30] want Hey listen I'm in a sense I'm leading the charge against Jamie Harrison at the DNC so and one of us has

[04:37] been successful well give me time give me a minute I'm R for you man okay so look

[04:44] now even Jak Tapper today called J basically called Jamie Harrison a liar at the DSC because he is a liar he's

[04:50] been lying the whole time and he's lying about the Ohio Chanel thanks for watching our audience has helped build

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[05:01] support our work and join us at tyt.com team but I want to ask you about your

[05:07] side sir so what was your guys's beef with Ron mcil well I first of all the Grassroots didn't have a a seat at the

[05:13] table which I think you could sympathize with the Democrat Party I don't think has a voice for the Grassroots right now

[05:18] and in fact if I was advising Democrats be like your power is in the Bernie Sanders wing of your party like why are you not tapping into that not into this

[05:25] like old stodgy neoliberal warmongering you know weak Bush Cheney version of the Democrat Party but anyway what am I to

[05:31] give advice to Democrats right but no my my critique of R mcromney was that yes there's a track Rec could to Los in fine

[05:38] okay I've made mistakes in the past you know we're trying to all adjust more importantly though is that conservative Grassroots did not have a seat at the

[05:43] table is that we have an agenda that we felt was not being represented not being list listened to and then there were

[05:49] some like very wonky parliamentarian things I think that you would agree with and you know that's like Robert Rules of Order like you know how these party

[05:55] operate right steamroll the little guy they steamroll the states that aren't as

[06:00] important to fundraising and we found that to be objectionable and so we we

[06:05] Donald Trump made the ultimate decision but we let a very very heated campaign against R and ultimately that was

[06:10] sucessful hold on one quick followup an um so Charlie here's what I don't understand about the RS on the

[06:16] Democratic side I think it's fairly clear because the establishment corporate Democrats have all the money

[06:21] so the the Bernie side has Grassroots money and Grassroots energy but that's only earned you have to actually deliver

[06:29] other the Grassroots don't give you the money right so that's why the DNC says well I can't count on that because I'm

[06:35] corporate I'm serving these donors I'll never get the Grassroots money so I'm gonna halfway give up on that and so I'm

[06:41] G to be purely corporate right so on the Democratic side it's really Stark right but on the Republican side the

[06:48] Grassroots also has tons of donor money so why do they object to the Grassroots they have no reason to that's that's an

[06:54] interesting point it's because of their values it's because the Grassroots represent a Val system that the vichi

[07:00] French Republicans do not believe in which is that we believe neoliberalism has been a failed experiment in the

[07:06] modern era I think you actually might agree with part of that both you guys I definitely agree that but you know this is the thing I don't get and this is why

[07:13] for the first time I find the convention the Republican convention so fascinating because I do see this growing faction of

[07:22] Republican voters who are in like headed in the direction of economic populism

[07:28] right they like social security they like Medicare they want uh better wages

[07:33] for workers uh they want protectionism in regard to you know trade and tariffs

[07:39] and I find that also fascinating but at the same time you know you seem to be empathetic to that message and to those

[07:46] desires by some Republican voters at the same time like on your show you had this

[07:51] one segment not a fan of Social Security yeah like Let Let me clarify wildly popular even among Republic I'm just not

[07:58] a fan of things that aren't proper funded or go bankrupt so would you be in favor of lifting the cap on Social

[08:04] Security taxes in order to fund social secate me what what that would look like so so it's around $174,000 if I remember

[08:11] right so like rich people shouldn't get Social Security effective not at all they should definitely get it everyone gets everybody should get it regard of

[08:19] age or no no no everybody in terms of income right uh but uh because Universal

[08:24] programs work better everybody buys into it because if the rich don't get it they'll kill it that's usually how it

[08:30] works but how is that any differ stop get tax for social security

[08:36] pass a certain income and every year it changes so for instance let's say you're making $200,000 a year after about

[08:44] $174,000 M Tax no longer taxing you soci security yeah i' have to I'd have to

[08:49] think about that that sounds like probably a good idea but i' have to like look at the counter argument okay but look as far as what my critique of

[08:55] Social Security is that it is it is going to go bankrupt soon and it has been in a lot of series of promises

[09:01] funded by debts and deficits but yes we have a moral obligation to fulfill our

[09:06] to fulfill the contract that we have with workers that have paid into it for quite some time and so but we're fooling

[09:12] ourselves if we act as if this thing's going to be around Forever at current the current Pace that's just not correct Okay it definitely can be if all you do

[09:19] is lift the okay I'll I'll take your word at it I I'm not in the the weeds of you know social security policy woner

[09:24] yeah yeah no problem no problem so let me see if I can find more agreement uh paid family leave uh 84% of Americans

[09:31] agree with it 74% of Republican voters agree with it 12 weeks off for a mom after that's what we do a turning point

[09:36] yeah we do three months family three that's exactly what we do at tyt so another point of agreement okay so but

[09:42] we can't get corporate Republicans or corporate Democrats to say yes I think either Rubio or Romney pushed this you

[09:50] guys can yeah my favorite guy um but but I I I'd have to look at what the

[09:57] European model does but if we're actually and there's abuses of course there are but yes I mean again I'm not

[10:03] like a huge fan of like more government programs all the time just that's my disposition but let how about this

[10:09] instead of $200 billion do to Ukraine $200 billion do to say that moms can stay with their babies for 12 weeks I

[10:15] mean we would definitely then we have agreement okay because look I think Russia not I think Russia did invade

[10:22] Ukraine evoked no all right we can get into that disagreement uh I'm more based on war than you are no no no no no look

[10:30] I I you're I'm being I'm giving you a hard time no no let me ask you the same question Charlie let me ask you the same

[10:36] question I asked juliani last time so Trump keeps saying and you guys all agree oh my God if Trump was President

[10:41] we wouldn't have any of these wars you say that it's not speculative CH he was president and we didn't have these so

[10:47] it's not but he says okay but he says it's because they know that not to mess with me the because is is a guess the

[10:56] point is you have to agree for four years we didn't have the Wars the because could be because of his his stature could be because of threats it

[11:02] could be because of relationships or friendships that's all a guess I don't know and you don't know we only know what happened for four years which is no

[11:08] new Wars first time in 40 years so but he keeps saying because they know that I'm tough does that mean that if Russia

[11:16] invaded Ukraine on Trump's watch that Trump would have attacked Russia well but they didn't I don't know the answer

[11:21] to that so so he he is making an argument that they didn't invade because of our big military peace through

[11:27] strength and I threatened to bomb the kreml maybe that's true or maybe it's that he had the coones to have a Helsinki Summit

[11:34] and was attacked by his own Intel agencies and Donald Trump looked in the camera and they said well do you not trust the CIA he's like yeah I don't

[11:40] trust the CIA which was totally true by the way so I don't know like we're guessing as to the why but we do know

[11:46] the what here's the what under Biden we do have more war and war is terrible under Trump we had no war and so the why

[11:54] we'll we'll argue forever chank but you have to at least agree on the the reality that there were no no new Wars

[12:00] under some areas I actually agree I and this is just me speculating you're right no one knows for sure but I do think

[12:07] that Trump's stature and also the fact that he's a bit of a wild card and you don't know whether he's going to be a

[12:13] rational actor did dissuade people like Putin from yeah thing right no I don't

[12:19] think that's necessarily a bad thing but I do have a very specific question on something Trump did that could have led

[12:25] to a disastrous War luckily it didn't but the Iran nuclear deal right the Iran nuclear

[12:32] deal prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons and it had a way of

[12:38] ensuring like it wasn't just between the United States and Iran there were other countries in the International Community

[12:43] who signed on to that deal and Iran allowed for members of that Community to go in

[12:49] and check to make sure that they were not developing nuclear weapons Trump took that ripped it up and then for a

[12:55] while Iran still followed through with the deal even though Trump ripped it up they didn't need to and then after a

[13:02] while they're like you know what there's a lot of antagonism toward us we're going to develop the nuclear weapons and so they started enriching uranium again

[13:09] uh then you have the assassination of kasum sulamani which you know didn't

[13:15] aggressive that was aggressive and that could have led to an even bigger disaster there's already been some retaliation by Iran toward our troops as

[13:22] a result of that so can you at least acknowledge that there were at least some areas where Trump was belligerent

[13:28] in interational yes and the argument that his Camp would make again I'm not a

[13:34] spokesperson for Trump okay I'm just an admir friend and an advocate is that because of the hawkishness in certain

[13:40] elements that it created peace and it's hard to disagree with that I'm not a fan of trying to go to war with Iran I'm not

[13:46] I don't think the Irani regime is moral or good but I I have a consistent Mantra that has been developing over the last

[13:53] decade and I think a lot of Americans are with me foreign abstractions mean far less than pressing domestic crisis

[13:59] and so it's just like this war with Iran is a weird fanatical obsession with some people in my party that are here right

[14:05] now uh like Senator Lindsey Graham and it's insane and it's weird and it's

[14:10] destructive to our own country and I speak about it both publicly and privately and you know who also is

[14:16] sympathetic what I'm saying JD Vance and so that's a fact well so I want to ask

[14:21] you about that as well but so You' mentioned Ukraine we've given $300 billion to Israel over all these years

[14:27] you want to stop giving money to Israel no I don't I think I think it's not the same thing happy to tell you why and I I

[14:33] I've made the argument before first of all I will agree it is it is deserving of explan explanation why the aid to

[14:40] Israel went from 14 billion to 26 billion just like magically overnight that's like again I'm like super is you're like guys come on like you just

[14:46] can't just make up numbers and just start but no I will say this as someone who is a believer in a place for

[14:53] American Jewelry to have a country and a state I do believe that it is worthy of

[14:58] some form of Aid how we if it's repaid if it's in American arms again I'm not a policy want guys on that stuff but I do

[15:04] think that protecting a nation of Israel in a time of Crisis is not the same as

[15:10] assisting Ukraine let me ask you something even more specific in regard to our Aid to Israel you know the United

[15:17] States has not had a budget surplus since 2001 that was literally the last

[15:22] time we had a budget surplus Israel had a budget surplus in 2022 okay the pandemic didn't matter

[15:30] they still that's a very good argument right so IE that American taxpayers

[15:35] should fund the bombs that Israel is dropping on Gaza is ridiculous to me but so you mentioned JD Vance you're

[15:42] advocate for JD Vance uh tell me why you're excited about him he's a friend so I'm super biased but I mean he's a

[15:49] younger person on the ticket I think you guys can agree if Biden remains which you don't think he will I want to get I want to piig your brain that like

[15:54] actually I'm super interested is that we have 81 78 59 is the ages of the three

[16:00] people in contention and now you have a 39y old so I think it's an interesting new Ral and he also is not a neoliberal

[16:06] and we very well could have had a neoliberal on the ticket and he is a legit conservative that understands the

[16:12] America First agenda that you see here on full display and so I'm hopeful that this new Viewpoint is is going to be

[16:20] permanent in the Republican party are you worried that is stance on abortion which is no exceptions in rape and

[16:26] incest will be very damaging to to the campaign no I don't I think he has said that he agrees with the president sent

[16:32] president sent it back to the States um I think he's been really fair and now it's a joint ticket and so he will

[16:38] harmonize his views with that at the top of the ticket okay and and uh if you

[16:44] guys are populist uh how do you feel about uh the giant corporate tax cuts

[16:49] that Trump gave the last time around and then this time around he saying he's going to do even more corporate tax well

[16:54] it depends on so part of it was really good part of it was a small business relief and tax cut some of it was for

[17:00] families and and for workers I think I could agree of all the legislative

[17:06] priorities that we that we as conservatives were pushing for making

[17:11] sure that Google was going to have a lower effective corporate tax rate was was not the best use of our legislative

[17:17] energy but I do and you know this I'm a conservative so I have a I have a disposition towards more money in

[17:23] private sector pockets is better than public sector Pockets however this is the evolution of populism is that we do

[17:29] not like centralized power and you must be consistent that centralized power in government or centralized power in

[17:35] corporations are both bad and okay you must be consistent and especially when

[17:40] you have a small subset of multi-trillion dollar corporations that are largely unaccountable in the tech

[17:46] space and you've had your own Tech Wars guys and so have we and you know for example being censored being banned and

[17:51] all that so yeah like I mean cutting the taxes of Goldman Sachs is like I I can't say that I'm

[17:58] like it's my number one issue to oppose but how about you guys go deliver actual results for the voters that put you in

[18:04] there in the first place okay look if you guys agree with us I'll take yes for

[18:09] an answer and uh there's more Nuance there yeah I I hear you all right last

[18:15] one on policy money and politics so for us on the left that's the number one issue because that's what leads to all

[18:21] this corruption in the first place why do we give money to defense contractors uh endlessly because they give money to

[18:27] the politicians why do we give money to the oil companies you want to drill no problem we can have that debate right

[18:32] but why are we giving $20 billion extra of taxpayer money to the richest corporations in the world it's because

[18:39] they give money to politicians the money in politics is the original en what do you think I don't know if it's the

[18:44] original s i I agree with a lot of that by the way I would love your guys's thoughts so you guys because when I first was at politicon this was like a

[18:51] huge issue citizens united that's like 7 eight years ago because that was like my biggest interaction with like really leftwing activists what do you think of

[18:59] a lot of leftwing forces embracing the money are you guys not fans of that like no jobs Emerson Collective arabel

[19:06] advisor democracy Alliance Okay cool so we agree because I think that's like creepy and weird like like the fact that

[19:12] the Democrat Party has a a much better organized billionaire class of funders

[19:17] than even the Republican Party does at the moment but what is your question do I want campaign Finance reform or how

[19:23] about we end the private financing of Elections because if you because if you privately Finance elections they're

[19:29] going to serve private interest this is a tough issue and let me tell you why however you know presidential elections were that way from Nixon to Obama that

[19:36] both candidates took public there is there is a law actually that as president you get your election publicly financed up to about $700 million

[19:44] however you could decide to take not take the money which everyone does because you can raise more money that way so let me and and Obama is the first

[19:50] one he broke the tradition yeah he broke the tradition and took more because of small dollar and and then it just we

[19:55] haven't gone back now theoretically right now Donald Trump could say I'm going to take the 700 million but it's

[20:00] a$3 billion race you're going to lose but I'm I'm I'm seriously interested from a policy perspective what does that

[20:06] look like that means that the US taxpayer should fund every dog catcher running in every state like no actually

[20:12] I'm not being prous no no I totally get it so what what what happens is not everybody gets money you have to prove

[20:19] that there's enough support for you that you should be one of the candidates that does get money and you do that with Grassroots supports signatures etc etc

[20:26] did third party candidates also get yeah so it depends on how you set it up but it certainly could be that way yes and I

[20:31] would want it to be that way so Bobby Kennedy would would you get it appropriated based on your polling data so there there's different ways of doing

[20:37] it but yes that could be one metric as to how we do it is there still car about for small dollar donors to still give

[20:43] money no definitely definitely so so you're not against the mom and the pop and the plumber getting money exactly

[20:48] right okay you know why because they're the average American that the politician should be serving any so but you cap it

[20:55] at like a hundred or $200 and then you say and we're not going to give it to you unless you qualify and once you qualify you're

[21:02] going to get the same exact money now let's have an intellectual debate let's have a real debate of ideas instead of

[21:08] who's got more money because you're right right now the Democrats have more money and so the Democrats can just go and buy any seat they want if they have

[21:15] more money than the Republicans and that's not fair so it's also not fair when the Republicans have more money what do you think is the weakness in

[21:21] this policy if there is no I don't think there actually is much of a weakness I I'm an expert on this in

[21:28] and only because I've been working with Larry lesic from Harvard Law for all these years he's the Godfather of the

[21:33] movement to get money out of politics this has been thought through in every way the reason it doesn't get done Charlie is because all of the current

[21:41] politicians their base of power is the donor money so they don't want to let it go that's how they got elected so in

[21:47] other country so let me take a step back so if your if our idea is to become populist right and to listen to voters

[21:55] why is it in other countries that have publicly financed elections in the last couple of years we've seen them Embrace

[22:01] Mass migration and funding Ukraine when their voters don't want it no that's so that's an interesting question because

[22:08] those countries are actually swinging back and forth back and forth and they're constantly choosing the new

[22:14] candidate for change because we all live under corporate Rule and all those whether it's Brazil France UK they're

[22:21] all swinging they go brexit then they go a massive labor Victory right in France they go mcon when he's new now that he's

[22:28] the in they go against mcone and and and they go even further left than mcon when

[22:33] they were about to go right it's not right left it's not right left it's Chang they go balsino in Brazil then

[22:40] they go Lula and it's because they don't have entrenched power that comes with

[22:45] corporate money being given to politicians we're the most corrupts because we legalize bribery faked into

[22:52] our totally I agree but and let let me ask there's a citizen United question I'm super interested in because you guys

[22:58] have to which I think is the weakness in your point and I'll get to that in a second but the I guess why is it then that mass

[23:05] migration has gone uninterrupted if the voters want it to be stopped so that depends on a number of things but Le Pen

[23:12] nearly won in France okay fair enough so that's the answer is that that it's actually showing signs of life that and

[23:17] Trump is winning now here and Trump won in 2016 I mean look and that's a movement even with all the money in

[23:24] politics still you guys had the advantage there in 2016 you have it again in 2024 and we have hopefully the

[23:30] people not just the No No that's what I'm saying despite the money in politics and the corporations do want more

[23:36] immigrants in the country uh you guys are still leading on that because of the big movement and in France that's why

[23:42] they almost elected far right when France is not far right at all no so I get that that that that drives voters so

[23:51] let me ask you now about the only money and politics weakness I have is this is that the way you regulate it and this is

[23:56] the citizens united case is that would The Young Turks be considered a Democrat super pack I mean that's not a factious

[24:04] question no no no I totally that's actually a good question because you see what I'm saying no I do so tur media no

[24:11] same thing appli for both of us okay you have to carve out media first of all it's a constitutional issue because of

[24:17] the that's why they decided ciens United the way they did Hillary Clinton book as you know is the essence of the yeah so I

[24:25] know this this sounds pretentious but it's okay JD Vance is from y law I debated uh the guy who won I didn't go

[24:31] to college so okay I know I so I debated the guy who won citizens united case and Floyd Abrams the top constitutional

[24:38] lawyer in the country at Oxford and beat him two to one not because I'm that great at it because it's so obvious

[24:43] right people don't want our politicians controlled by the money that they are

[24:49] getting directly or indirectly when it comes to Media there is no way to solve that where even in countries that don't

[24:56] have the money in politics problem still have media and so media is going to be right media is going to be left media is

[25:02] going to be in the middle you can't end media because then you have a freedom of press and freedom of speech issue hear me out then so let's just say the

[25:08] billionaire class can no longer give money to Joe Biden or Donald Trump why wouldn't they go spend $100 million and

[25:14] publish books in media and distribute them they would they definitely but I

[25:19] know that the system is think about it no no it's not so two two things number one it's not going directly to the

[25:26] politicians so that fair enough some distance it's a it's a significant distance right so for example if they

[25:31] gave it to us I'm not going to go and advocate for politicians just because somebody gave us money I know others would I know others okay but they have

[25:40] to win over an audience you see what I'm saying well hear me out if you're a billionaire in in January of an election

[25:46] year you could stand up a shell Corporation with aund million do you know run a bunch of ads and call it you

[25:51] know Patriot Media or people's media and be you know and do a bunch of attack stuff against what I'm getting at is at

[25:57] the of the citizens united case and I know your audience knows this very well was that is it constitutional to write a

[26:04] Critic is it a campaign Finance violation if I were to write a book against Hillary Clinton and they argued

[26:11] they said yeah yeah and so but that's not more than media we're talking about how about people let's take a step back

[26:17] okay what if Taylor Swift were to come out theoretically and she would say go vote for Joe Biden is that an in-kind

[26:24] political contribution for his campaign so so you can't stop that but Charlie

[26:30] you don't have to stop that you're saying well currently they could fund media and they do right and they could

[26:36] fund the politicians and the super packs well then they have three different massive ways of influencing the

[26:41] politicians so why don't we knock out the two that are the most direct giving directly the politicians and the super

[26:47] packs then you've got the media issue but at that point they and it's not that it's impossible but they have to say

[26:53] like let's say they want a giant corporate tax cut for Google that we don't want it you don't want right and so then they go oh we have a show here

[27:00] that tells you how great it is to do tax C for giant corporations stuff right right it's not going to work so a lot

[27:06] less likely to work than here Joe Biden Mitch McConnell Nancy Pelosi take a check from Google Now give me a goddamn

[27:12] text yeah but let's make sure we understand though that the the direct you have to go I understand but the direct money in politics though is more

[27:18] limited than I think you're presenting it it's like $2,700 limits you can give to Super packs the super pack

[27:24] technically is supposed to have some distance from candidates yeah no no ch age it's a bunch of BS right it's a

[27:29] bunch of nonsense because they they share data and all that stuff but then the but do you see any concern that this

[27:35] is regulating speech uh no and can I just make a point about the media angle

[27:42] look I think that your point is a legitimate one I think that your point is even more legitimate in an era where

[27:48] we had like four networks and those four networks basically dominated the entire

[27:54] message in the country media is so much more diverse now Diversified I should say and it's harder to control ex it's

[28:01] harder to control there's a lot more competition there's a lot more independent media and so the idea of

[28:07] corporate interest buying elections through the media it's just a lot harder

[28:12] to do in today's era you know I don't know if you're getting a wrap sign or not if not I can stay but um no last

[28:18] question last answer okay no you have a ask question from no no that's that was the one oh

[28:24] yeah I just made a point yeah no but but look I I I I want to agree with you guys on something I think it's repulsive and

[28:30] disgusting because I I have things I want to see get done and when I for example I want to see immigration restricted to this country you guys

[28:36] don't agree whatever but I get blocked by the donor class and I get by institutional corporate that want a flow

[28:42] of cheap labor into the country now it used to be a leftwing issue actually more than a right-wing issue to restrict immigration and Bernie Sanders would

[28:49] have that that's changed but so I sympathize with you for another example I'm trying to say like let's not send

[28:55] money to Ukraine and I'm up against all these institutional interests I'm just not convinced that that regulating

[29:01] speech is a good path to go down and that's what that decision was ultimately hint was decided upon yeah but you might

[29:08] be right well I'll take you might be right and uh and there's a difference between

[29:14] you might be right yeah I I you and I could have a certain amount of speech when somebody gives a billion dollars

[29:20] they get a lot more speech no for sure but hold on hear me out so but your platform is worth

[29:26] hundreds of millions of dollarss from your mouth the God's ear well but I'm saying no I'm saying but if I were to do

[29:32] an influencer post or you were you were there's a value assigned to that so it's easy to just throw the billionaires

[29:38] under the bus but you know there there is a there is a price tag to us Tweeting

[29:44] or us posting right that's that now has a new currency in the digital era that wouldn't have been a thing in the 80s or

[29:49] 9s yeah much more REM removed as we talked about so uh last super good question do you still live like a

[29:55] capitalist every day I watched back that video It's So cringe and it's like we can all grow and you

[30:03] know become better people and yeah I don't even know what that means I didn't

[30:08] either I that's what I wanted to ask all right thank you for joining us Charlie appreciate it all right from turning

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