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Charlie Kirk Challenges Christians to Combat Marxism and Confront Evil in America and Abroad
Charlie Kirk delivers a powerful message at a Miami church, calling Christians to action against Marxism, evil, and complacency. Speaking at Harvest Church, an evangelical congregation meeting in a synagogue, Kirk addresses the church's role in society, the attack on Israel, the infiltration of pagan ideologies, and why the American church must awaken to defend biblical truth. From the darkness of socialism in Cuba to the trans agenda in suburban America, Kirk makes the case that spiritual warfare demands immediate engagement, not end-times passivity.
A Call to the Church in Difficult Times
Charlie Kirk addressed a packed church service at Harvest Church in Miami, an evangelical congregation meeting in a synagogue, just days after the horrific Hamas attack on Israel. Speaking on short notice, Kirk emphasized the fitting nature of gathering in a synagogue during such a tragic time. The founder of Turning Point USA shared his passion for truth, liberty, and his deep hatred of evil, setting the stage for a conversation about the church's role in confronting darkness in America and around the world.
Kirk began by acknowledging his unexpected journey into engaging with churches. While he built his career organizing on high school and college campuses, the COVID-19 pandemic opened his eyes to the church's troubling silence and compliance with government mandates. He expressed shock at seeing churches lock down instead of seizing an opportunity for revival during a time when suicides, alcoholism, and isolation were skyrocketing. Kirk criticized the church for becoming an extension of tyrannical secular government rather than serving as the light of the world.
The Consequences of Forgetting God
Drawing on the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Kirk summarized the tragedy of the Soviet Union—where 60 million people were killed—with one simple explanation: people forgot God. He challenged the common narrative that religious fundamentalism is the greatest threat to society, pointing out that extreme secularism and godlessness have killed far more people throughout history than religious extremism. The Western world, Kirk argued, was built by Christians on Judeo-Christian values, and that foundation is now collapsing from within.
Kirk explained that when belief in a higher power is lost, it gets replaced with false pagan religions—LGBT ideology, Black Lives Matter, and the cult of figures like Anthony Fauci. He emphasized that both Jews and Christians share a belief in ethical monotheism and a rejection of paganism, but modern society is increasingly embracing pagan worldviews that promote chaos and disorder.
End Times Theology and Christian Responsibility
Addressing a common concern among Christians, Kirk pushed back against the interpretation that things must get worse before Christ returns, and therefore believers should remain passive. He argued that this perspective represents a terrible interpretation of scripture and pointed out that throughout history—including during the Dark Ages when the gospel was hidden—Christ did not return. The assumption that negligence and complacency will provoke Christ's return is a dangerous fallacy that keeps Christians enchanted by fear rather than motivated by action.
Kirk acknowledged that we may be living through birth pains before the tribulation, but emphasized the need for humility about end times predictions. Throughout history, people have believed they were living in the end times—in the years 1000, 1400, 1630, 1850, 2000, and 2011—yet here we remain. Whether Christ returns next week or in a thousand years, Kirk stressed that God tests our obedience in the face of evil. He challenged pastors who tell their congregations not to have children because the end is near, calling such teaching evil and a misuse of the pulpit.
The Evil Witnessed in Israel
Kirk spoke passionately about the Hamas attack on Israel, describing it as the worst terror attack on Jews since the Holocaust. He emphasized that this was not a military operation against military targets, but rather a bloodthirsty assault on civilians. For five to six hours, Hamas terrorists went door by door through kibbutzim, finding Jews, taking them from their homes, and kidnapping women. Over 100 hostages were still being held at the time of his talk.
What disturbed Kirk most was how these terrorists returned to Gaza and were welcomed as heroes, despite having engaged in unspeakable brutality against unarmed civilians—including the dismemberment of 18-month-old babies. He stressed that evil exists in the world with a demonic bloodthirst that cannot be rationalized or reasoned with. Kirk warned that those celebrating such evil must be eliminated from the face of the Earth, and that there is no middle ground when confronting such darkness.
The Pagan Ideologies Infiltrating Society
Kirk identified several false religions now dominating society that Christians must recognize and resist. The first is the religion of tolerance, where many Christians bow at the altar of tolerance over worshiping Jesus. They believe they must be tolerant of evil and nice at all costs, even though "nice" is never found in the Bible. This cult of tolerance tells people to do nothing while children are chemically castrated and medically mutilated, and while the southern border remains wide open.
The second pagan ideology is earth worship. Kirk explained that Genesis clearly denounces worship of the earth, sun, stars, and rivers—all of which ancient civilizations like Egypt engaged in. The environmentalist movement in America, he argued, represents nothing more than pagan earth worship, with adherents believing humans are contaminating nature and advocating for depopulation.
The third destructive ideology is the blurring of distinctions. Kirk explained that the entire Old Testament, especially Genesis, can be distilled into God creating distinctions and order—between light and darkness, good and evil, man and woman, man and nature, holy and profane. The modern Marxist left, along with weak Christians, are attempting to abolish all these God-ordained separations. The transgender movement represents the ultimate attempt to obliterate the distinctions and order that God naturally set up for civilization.
Local Action and Christian Engagement
The pastor of Harvest Church shared a powerful example of local Christian engagement. At the beginning of the year, after teaching a biblical citizenship class, an elderly couple in their 70s took action in their village. They knocked on 60 doors, held a block party, selected three candidates, and successfully unseated local officials who should not have been in power. The story made Fox News in Miami Shores.
This example illustrated Kirk's point that too many Christians are busy with church activities, tennis, and watching sports on TV while a few players with no interest in those things are occupying places of influence. The battle is not lost, Kirk emphasized, but it requires Christians to open their eyes to what's happening in local government and take action.
Understanding the Nature of Evil
Kirk dove deep into the biblical understanding of human nature to explain why socialism and Marxism are fundamentally evil. He pointed to the first murder in the Bible—Cain killing Abel—as an act of socialism. Two sacrifices were offered, God accepted one and not the other, and resentment led to murder. Throughout scripture, envy and the desire for what others have drives people to very evil and dark places.
If you believe human beings are naturally good, Kirk explained, then you believe you can create heaven on Earth—which is the promise of socialism. He drew parallels between the blame-shifting mentality of socialist regimes (blaming blockades, apartheid states, or the West) and movements like Black Lives Matter and Hamas. All of them refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, instead blaming external structures and systems for their problems.
Kirk connected this to what happens on college campuses, where students who haven't showered in weeks blame America for all the world's problems. The real issue, he argued, is personal responsibility. Marxism preys on people who don't want to admit that the biggest problem in the world is themselves, instead weaponizing them with backwards ideology.
Why Fight in America
Addressing the many in the Miami audience who fled socialism in Latin America, Kirk explained why the fight in America matters. God does not want humanity to live in authoritarianism—He delivered the Jews from slavery in Egypt. Jesus said in John 10:10 that the enemy comes to lie, steal, cheat, and destroy, but He came to give life and life more abundantly. That verse, Kirk said, summarizes good versus evil better than anything else.
In Cuba and other Marxist countries, people are not living with life or life more abundantly—it is oppressive and spiritually heavy. The same feeling now permeates cities like Portland, New York, Boston, Seattle, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Chicago, where citizens feel hopeless. In these places, people often turn to the occult, tarot cards, or Eastern mysticism because they need some way to make sense of the darkness.
Kirk emphasized that nothing has come close to liberating people to live a decent life like the Bible has. Christians don't talk enough about the fruit of the Bible and the goodness it has given the world. The Christian inheritance we enjoy is exceptional—without a biblical worldview, civilization descends into barbarism, as evidenced by Hamas.
The Great Reset and One World Government
Addressing concerns about the "Great Reset," Kirk explained that powerful forces have an agenda to change the globe by 2030, where people will "own nothing and be happy," plugged into machines as transhumanist robots. They are destroying the US dollar and keeping borders wide open as part of this plan.
Kirk pointed to Genesis 11—the Tower of Babel—as the biblical precedent for what's happening today. Nimrod wanted to build a city for his own name, not God's name, representing the first attempt at a one-world government. God saw this pride and scattered the people, creating the nations. The very idea of borders and sovereign nations is biblical, Kirk explained, which is why increasingly godless global institutions want to eliminate sovereignty.
Organizations like the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, and the European Union all work toward eroding national sovereignty. Two things stand in the way: Israel and America. That's why both nations face such intense attacks. America should not exist in the eyes of these globalists—it's too strong, too free, too unified, and too willing to fight evil.
The Ideology Behind the Madness
Kirk shared disturbing examples of how deeply ideological possession has infected society. He recounted the story of a young couple in Brooklyn where the boyfriend's throat was slit by an attacker. The girlfriend refused to tell police the race of the murderer because she didn't want to perpetuate racism—even though her boyfriend had just been killed in front of her.
Another example involved a young German woman who was gang-raped by six Arab refugees. When police asked her to describe the attackers, she said six white Germans raped her because she didn't want to contribute to anti-immigrant hatred. Only after weeks of a failed manhunt did she admit the truth—she was protecting her rapists for ideology.
These examples, Kirk argued, demonstrate that we're not dealing with rationality but with spiritual warfare straight from the pit of hell. These cult-like ideologies are laundered and repurposed by the college industry. There's no reasoning with people who will protect those who've harmed them in the name of ideology—they must be defeated.
Marxism Has Arrived in America
Kirk made a sobering declaration: for his entire career he warned that Marxism was near, but in recent weeks he now says it has arrived and captured the country. The evidence is clear—crime is rising in every major city while Donald Trump faces 700 years in federal prison. January 6 defendants are no different than political prisoners in Havana during Castro's revolution.
When Trump's assets might be taken from him in New York, that's exactly what Castro, Maduro, or Chavez would do—call a billionaire former president a fascist and confiscate his hotels. Americans who fled socialism in Latin America recognize these tactics immediately. The time for complacency has ended.
Questions on Islam, Capital Punishment, and Israel
During the question and answer session, Kirk addressed several important topics. When asked about avoiding negative stereotypes of Muslims, he responded that he hasn't seen adequate outrage from peaceful Muslims about the Hamas attack. The so-called peaceful people of Gaza treated returning terrorists like heroes, and celebrations occurred in Turkey, Qatar, and other Muslim nations. Until there's institutional reform, Kirk said he'd believe in peaceful Islam when he sees it.
On capital punishment, Kirk affirmed his moral support for it based on Genesis 9:6, though he expressed concern about wrongful executions due to America's litigious system. For certain heinous crimes with clear DNA evidence and admission of guilt, he believes in quick, public execution as a deterrent—a position he adopted after studying the Old Testament more closely.
Regarding what America should do for Israel, Kirk's answer was simple: let Israel defend itself. America should stand up for Israel at the UN and provide media cover, but Israel has the military capability to handle this. He expressed skepticism of the national security apparatus in Washington and opposed dragging America into another no-win war in the Middle East.
The Church's Stand on Transgender Ideology
When asked how churches can address transgender issues, Kirk pulled out his Bible and referenced Deuteronomy, which states that if a man dresses as a woman, it is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. God wants the separation and doesn't want men masquerading as women. Kirk refuses to acknowledge someone's mental delusion, comparing it to a schizophrenic stalker who believes he's married to someone—why is his delusion wrong but a man who thinks he's a woman is validated?
Reality must triumph over mental delusion. God created man and woman, period, and established order and separation for a reason. The church must be clear on this issue. Kirk strongly criticized Andy Stanley for hosting openly homosexual men at his church conference, using LGBTQ+ language, and suggesting the church needs to compromise or lose attendance. Kirk's response: he'd rather lose attendance while speaking truth than gain numbers through compromise.
Occupy Until He Comes
Kirk closed by reinforcing the biblical command to occupy until Christ comes. Whether the Lord returns tomorrow or in a thousand years, Christians are called to take as much terrain as possible and occupy it until His return. If Christ is coming back on His throne, then hallelujah—but if it's a long time from now, we must work to make this world better.
Psalm 97:10 commands that if you love God, you must hate evil. Romans 12 says to hate evil and retain what is good. The church cannot remain silent or passive while darkness spreads. The time for action is now, in local governments, school boards, culture, media, and every sphere of influence. The battle is spiritual, but it requires tangible engagement in the physical world God has placed us in.
Video Transcript
so glad that you've joined us on behalf of our church elders and our church I know many of you um are guests so welcome and um we we are an evangelical church meeting in a synagogue so we have a very special guest in his own house Rabbi Lang and his wife Ida are here would you please stand welcome and say thank you to Rabbi Lang wife Ida thank you for having us awesome Amen thank you that's the church so I want to read to you real quick before we begin um Matthew chapter 5 verse 13 it says Jesus says to his church you are the salt of the earth but if the salt has lost its taste how shall it salt is be restored it is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and Trampled Under people's feet you're the light of the world a city set on Hill cannot be hidden nor be nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket but under a stand and he gives light to all in the house so in the same way let your light shine before others so that they may see your good works and give glory to your father who is in heaven father thank you for your word that gives us life thank you Jesus for praying for us in this way that we will be Sanctified through your word we thank you that tonight we can gather as one body and we pray God that what happens here today serves your purposes I pray that it would awaken your church and it will Propel us towards action in this city thank you for the call thank you for the opportunity we have and I pray that through your Holy Spirit you will move mightily in this room for your glory in Jesus name we pray amen well we all know why we're here so let's um what would you help me please welcome one of the most significant voices of our time very influential very powerful truly a champion for all of us uh he's the founder of TP USA please stand up 305 style let's welcome Charlie KK hey everybody thank you thank you thank you thank [Music] you welcome to the 305 thank you this is this is amazing on uh such short notice it was on I think Friday our team reached out to you yeah and um I don't sit still well I have a whole week here planned in Florida and I I noticed that I had an empty evening so I could just kind of be sitting around or I could be you know talking about current events and uh unfortunately tragically very fitting to be in a synagogue right now considering what happened over the weekend so uh honored to be here blessed to be here and and lots to go over and if we have time we'll do some questions from the audience that's right well we we thank you and I think those applauses mean just a fraction of of what you mean to all of us being so brave and courageous and speaking the things that resonate true with us and um we can stand with you because we know that you stand for what is true and what is right and and in this church we proclaim the word of God and so one of the things that I think would be great to kind of open up our conversation is um this idea um I think we as a pastor I would assume the responsibility that um the reason why the dark n is so dark and and why the the contamination is is so um spread so much is it's the fault of the church being engaged in in our civic duty in in places of influence could you speak a bit about that and and to kind of warm us up into the conversation why is your voice so necessary today more than ever well yeah and it's I I don't even consider it to be to be my voice I'm not a pastor I'm not a theologian uh I'm just a Bible believing Church uh attending Christian who loves Jesus loves the country loves Liberty and is sick and tired of seeing all those things under attack every single day from our government and from within perfectly honest uh and I also hate evil um I hate what we saw this last weekend I hate the evil we're seeing in our own country and we have to do a much better job of repudiating evil in this country and so I got my career started uh organizing on high school and college campuses and never did I imagine that I would be kind of working in the church space and but coid really opened my eyes to a lot of different things I was so shocked and surprised when I saw churches completely and totally locked down when I saw churches kind of go along with the local government or state government or federal government mandates when we had an opportunity for one of the greatest revivals and harvests in our country's history you know we saw suicides go up and alcoholism go up and isolation and loneliness go up and the church just kind of laid locked down uh laid over and locked down and I was I was speechless when I saw the church which is the light of the world become an extension of a tyrannical secular government saying that you know Romans 13 we're not allowed to be we're not allowed to be open and then on top of that we saw all the race politics that occurred uh in the summer of 2020 when we burned down our country uh due to a lie from the pit of Hell that we systemically racist and the church is the church needs to continue to be the moral light and the moral corrective tool of a society when the church is silent then who is to say what is right or wrong and we you know Alexander saniton who's one of my favorite authors he wrote a book called the gulag archipelago he basically summarized what happened in the Soviet Union 60 million people killed and that sounds like just a number but then you watch the videos of what just happened in Israel this last weekend you realize these are moms and dads and daughters and sisters the brutality and the horror and he said all of this happened all of the tragedy of the Soviet Union can be summarized because people forgot God that's right all of it and if you listen to what happens on college campuses so I go to campuses so you don't have to or if you listen to what happens in popular Society they're always telling us that religious fundamentalism is the worst thing that could happen if I go to a campus they say there's nothing worse than someone being too extreme in their religion and never once do they ever talk about being too extreme in their secularism that's right being too extreme in your godlessness has actually killed more people than being extreme in your religion and the Soviet Union ma China Nazi Germany and we we as Christians must understand the Western world was largely built by Christians for the free society that we all enjoy judeo-christian values that we talk about and we're seeing it collapse from within itself right now and you know n said in the late 1800s God is dead he did not say that in a celebration way by the way you've heard that phrase God is dead he was lamenting he said oh my Western Civilization is about to fall this is the late 1800s that Western Civilization is about to fall apart because when you lose that belief in a higher power what replaces it you know what replaces it LGBT black lives matter you know the cult of Anthony fouchy people replace it with these fake Pagan religions which I think is a really important thing to talk about because it's something that Jews and Christians have in common which is there's some differences between Jews and Christians but Jews and Christians both believe in ethnical monotheism and rejecting the fake paganism that the Torah was written to repudiate right Egypt was a cult of death that believed in polytheism and P pism we live in a monotheistic society that is increasingly becoming pagans so if the church remains silent you will be ruled not by the golden calf but by the purple-haired jihadist that calls themselves an accepting transperson that forces you to use their pronouns while they castrate your kids that's right well said you know my my concern is something I often fight is this idea you know Matthew 24 uh it has to get worse before it gets better and this interpretation what we see looks like end time signs but this idea of letting it go so it gets worse so it can get better uh such a terrible interpretation of scripture I often say this you know the the Church of the time um hid the gospel the Catholic the Roman Church and the Dark Ages came and Christ did not come back and so the assumption that by my negligence by my complacence he's going to provoke the return of Christ is such a fallacy and I think a lot of Christians live under that enchantment and and and just just they rather be afraid and do nothing and and let everything that you just said then then react and and be the salt in the light yeah so with what happened in Israel this last weekend there has been a spike and because I monitor all this in pastors increasing their chatter saying that these are the end times now they might be right we might be living through the birth pains before the tribulation I understand that however it the wrong way to look at that is to say we must do nothing because God's plan is falling into place we must be very humble about the end times correct they thought the end was the end was in year 1,00 1400 1630 1850 2000 and 2011 yes maybe it's going to come on the feast day in 2030 or maybe it's going to come in a thousand years from now or maybe it's going to come in 2,000 years from now and I don't hear that kind of humility enough from some people that only talk about the end times and dare I go a step further some people are almost wanting the end times to come because it's going to bail them out of a very dark world how do I say this they could be right there are some verses that might suggest that but the overarching truth of the Bible is usually God is going to test our obedience in the face of evil that's right God can end any evil if he chooses but he gives us some form of a free will to test our love of him our duty to him and our obedience I got you know in a conversation with a pastor this morning and he said Charlie the end times are here you know we you know we're we're going to be Zapped up next Thursday and they might be right I I don't even mean I do believe that Jesus is going to come back on his throne I do believe that but I am certainly not I am not prideful enough to declare when Jesus said the hour and the day is unknown that's right that I somehow have that answer instead I emphasize on what we do and to give credit to my Jewish friends they do a much better job of focusing on what you must do that's right now if I were to and this is Dennis PR chick I'm just kind of taking it from him he says Jews are to this world focused Christians are to next World focused and I don't necessarily agree with that I think you can get too focused on the next world where you allow evil to spread in this world yeah and I've seen it happen I've seen certain Christians say why should I donate why should I have children yeah I have pastors that are now actively saying it is better to not have children because we are definitely in the end times I believe that's evil that is I believe is using your Pulpit as a pastor to tell people not to do something that is biblically commanded and holy because you're so certain that this is the end of the world you are misleading your flock in fact it should be the opposite occupy till he comes take as much ter rain as possible and occupy that until Christ's return if if Christ is coming back on his throne Hallelujah but if it's from a long time from now I'm going to try to make this world a little bit better Psalm 9710 says if you love God you must hate evil that's right and and if I may this last weekend what happened in Israel the worst terror attack on Jews since the Holocaust 800 maybe even a thousand Jews and I I don't think the media is doing a good enough job talking about this and I'll be very I mean this was not as if these Savage animals came in and started firing on milit Targets this was not a military operation this was bloodthirst of civilians it's a completely different thing we have not seen anything like this in quite some time maybe in Israel you'll see a bus being bombed right or you'll see a building here or there this was five or six hours of door by door Kuts by Kuts going and finding Jews taking them out of their homes kidnapping the women over a 100 hostages still and there's lots of takeaways we'll talk about Israel I'm I'm sure as we go but the one takeaway that I had is I said I sure hope that it wakes people up that when you sit and you do nothing there are some very evil forces in this world Inc like unspeakably evil and there's no rationalizing with them there's no middle ground it is demonic bloodthirst and they come back and they are welcomed as heroes in Gaza yeah they are welcomed as if they did some sort of military battle when they go door by door and no one even fights they're begging for their life it's not as if they survived some sort of conquest and you know it was tough they had to experience artillery fire they were unopposed for hours like Savage beasts in the wild and they come home to The Thrill of the gazan women with their you know the Islamic like they as if they won some sort of big battle saying Al Akbar these people must be eliminated from the face of the Earth that that did this against these Jewish against these people in Israel there there there is no middle ground and so yeah e evil exists and it is Happy Talk modern Christianity that acts as if there is no evil in this world or we can find some middle ground and um they they very well might be coming here soon or they might already be here Romans 12 says hate evil you must hate evil yes abort it and retain what is good um you know I if I can share with you briefly um the kind of actions that all of us can take you know um at the beginning of this year we shared the biblical citizenship class and this older uh couple in their 70s at the end I said church this cannot be about sending texting memes to one another and complaining about how bad it is we we must do something we prayed these elderly couple just went to their nearby Village here they found out that they were about to have an election they knocked on 60 doors held a block party they just began to they selected three of the candidates and on it made it to the news and Fox News Miami Shores they unseated people that do not need to be in charge of our village and I think the trouble is that too many Christians too many good people are too busy between church activities and tennis and and watching sports on TV and and in while we're doing that living a good life that we plan for there are a few players locally that have no interest in doing any of that and they're occupying places of influence in the churches asleep and and um and it's time to act and this just happened in our town a few months ago so the kind of action that we're calling to church and friends are visiting these things are possible now the battle is not lost it is time to act and it is time to open our eyes to find out what's going on in your local government and act amen awesome well um um you already me you went really quickly into the woke and Trends and all those things um what are some things you you travel extensively you know what what the landscape looks like nationally what are some things that the church can do uh to prevent the infiltration in which sort of ways do you see it most effectively so that the church may be uh um aware of um of how these ideologies permeate into church yeah um so there's let's go back to that kind of idea of the paganism right so we are wired as religious beings so you have a god-sized hole in your heart that you have to fill with something there's really no such thing as a Godless society when we say Godless we just mean the Christian God or the Jehovah is no longer the god of America they'll place it with some small G God it's a great example in in the book of Exodus right Moses basically says Hey be right back God wants to talk to me right and you know give me something pretty important so he goes up on the mountain and God's chosen people after all the Miracles that they've seen delivered from Egypt The Parting of the Red Sea they couldn't wait to get back to idol worship and paganism it's one of my favorite lines of the entire Bible Moses comes down he just he just got delivered the Ten Commandments straight from God and of course Aaron he goes to Aaron Aaron what's going on here you know they're having like a rave party and you know they have this golden calf and the rabbi would know the Hebrew but it basically Aaron was like I threw the gold in the fire and out came the calf and it was like it's like one of the worst excuses in the history it's like yeah that I hate when that happens right when I just throw the gold in the fire and up Comes This Big Calf right the calf is not insignificant by the way the calf is a very common I get all that but here are people that saw God's goodness God's deliverance and they couldn't help themselves to get back to idol worship and paganism it's a reason why God Says by the way you shall have no other gods before me and it's actually the 10 statements in Hebrew not the Ten Commandments um but it goes through and it says remember I the Lord your God that deliver you from Egypt like just in case you forgot I brought you numb skulls out of that place and there's so there's there's a second lesson there that we'll get to later but the if the church is not careful the church very well might be introducing Pagan golden calvs into the holy and you might say oh we would never do that well there are fake religions that are no different that are now dominating Society one for example is the religion of Tolerance and a lot of Christians they bow at the altar of Tolerance over worshiping Jesus where they believe we must be tolerant of evil and they say well we must be nice nice is never found in the Bible now I'm not advocating being mean or be cruel but this idea that you must win favor by compromising or watering down the word of God is nowhere to be found that's right and so you know the the the the cult of Tolerance they will tell you that you must do nothing while evil marches throughout your society that you must do nothing when tens of thousands of kids are me are chemically castrated and medically mutilated in the name of you know transition surgery that you must do nothing as the southern border remains wide open because diversity is our strength and this idea of the cult of Tolerance is really built on bad theology is what it is we're called to repudiate evil because we love God and modern Christianity has been abysmal at confronting evil and more specifically naming evil that's right we're afraid that we might someone might walk out of our church or someone might call us a Bad Name the church needs to continue to be the the moral guide of the society another one is and this is one that's not talked about enough is if there is one thing that the that Genesis does so clearly is that it denounce denounces worship of the earth and almost every civilization prior to the Jews they worshiped the river the star the Suns Egypt did this right they had okay we worship you know Rah the sun god or you know worship the Nile the separation that was laid out in Genesis 1-11 is God spoke nature into existence that we do not worship nature you might say oh we're long past that the environmentalist movement in America are no better than the earth worshippers 5,000 years ago that's right they are pagan Earth worshippers that believe we as human beings are are contaminating nature that we are the invading Force they outright talk about depopulation and you would be shocked at how many churches are now like well you know we have to embrace this green energy agenda nature is there for our purpose to take dominion over the Earth nature is there so human beings can flourish not that we worship nature because you know we we think that some tree is going to give us some sort of ancestral power there's also there is the cult and I could call it a cult or the Pagan heretical belief of the blurring of distinctions yep so if you want to kind of distill a lot of the Old Testament especially Genesis 1-1 you could say God created distinctions and God created order he created order out of chaos right and Chaos was the state of being before God comes think about all the order that God created between light and darkness the separation of Good and Evil the separation of man and female the separation of man and nature holy and profane the separation all these separations every single one the modern Marxist left and weak Christians are trying to abolish that's what the trans movement is all about that's right is obliterating the distinctions and the order that God naturally set up for us if you have no orders and you have no distinction you have no civilization y by definition the blurring of Good and Evil release the prisons and defund the police that's right no borders no distinctions this is actually a hermetic idea but that's a little bit wonky we can get into that if you guys want but it's an ancient weird Egyptian belief that the way that we get to Oneness of the world is we iron out all differences and that we become a Oneness of being so there's no male or female there's no good or evil we all have like one group Collective of Consciousness it comes from the Egyptian God Hermes actually where you get the idea of hermeticism but the god of the Bible a dead God that was never God her yeah exactly and when I say God I mean I say Pagan God right I'm using the word God in Jehovah or Adon right or Yahweh interchangeably right I'm just just to be clear I mean fake God small G right um and what what we where we are in society today is this very troubling pattern where the church is not sta standing for the moral order that God created we believe that church is nothing more than just raising your hand at a rock concert wearing skinny jeans and you know hoping people are going to give 10% when in reality church is about creating disciples but church now needs to be correcting error and bringing truth to the world and we have lost that completely because we are living in a society that is morally and culturally and societally chaotic and only the church can correct it this state of reprobate mindset really Romans 1 as it says um well you see it in the church for example the Andy Stanley situation um how how on one with one side of the mouth stands for orthodox statements of biblical truth and then in practice stands for something that opposes that that duplicity of mind it's it's really um it's really concerning and that thing needs to be denounced uh but if we don't do it in the church who are we waiting to do that work yeah that's exactly right and so are we going to wait on you know some local secular group to all of a sudden stand for righteousness and it it is an uncomfortable Truth for some Christians to hear because Christians have sat idly by on the inheritance of Prior generations of courageous Christians I'm going to say a quote here I want you to imagine most Christian you know pastors saying this marxis is Satan's religion right okay you know Billy Graham said that that was Billy Graham the agreeable the positive the there is a sermon you should watch tonight or whenever listen to Billy Graham on communism he went around the world saying that communism and socialism and Marxism are straight out of the pit of Hell every characteristic of Marxism is what Lucifer would want Envy greed Pride lust it is all rooted in Marxism if Billy Graham could talk about how Marxism is from the pit of Hell why don't our modern pastors because you know what they say well I don't want to be I don't want to be political what they're saying is they don't want to be biblical that's right that's what they're saying they're saying they don't want to be biblical that they don't want to believe in and I I you should lovingly challenge them well then do you not believe in Esther Mori Daniel Nehemiah Jeremiah or Joseph was Joseph wrong to counsel the King was Daniel wrong to engage in politics was was morai wrong was Esther wrong God throughout the scriptures has elevated people as Heroes to be counselor to the king to be the the moral compass of a society the founding fathers quoted Deuteronomy Moses's Farewell Address Deuteronomy second laws more than any other book secular or religious in the composition of the American founding documents of the Declaration The Federalist Papers of the Constitution you read Deuteronomy you realize you you could set up a government when you read Deuteronomy justice justice you shall pursue as it says so that's a pretty good statement the American Founders saw that they said we must have Justice is a Bedrock principle the American Trinity e pluris Unum Liberty In God We Trust comes directly out of the truths of the Bible you don't get them exilo out of nothing you don't just draw them from makavelli and Edmund Burke the Bible built everything that you enjoy the lack of the Bible is destroying everything that you enjoy and only the Bible can save everything that you want your children to enjoy that's right well as you're speaking um I think we all know Miami is largely a Hispanic uh Latin um population and many of us um come from social from a socialist struggle and um I on top of being a pastor of um Harvest Church I I lead an organization internationally where we plant churches but we we integrate the same type of Harvest Church with the four pillars and all that we integrate A discipleship that informs us on how to be active citizens of our city and of our nation um it's called gospel echo echo Eko Ecclesia Church kesis government o oos and so we trying to raise this this sense so um if I can maybe touch the nerve of some of of our of our audience um this evening um many of us come from a lost plight a lost fight in our Latin American countries we speaking about Nicaragua Cuba uh Chile Etc um I think there's hope for America because our the story of those Nations is different what would you say in a hopeful way um uh why should we fight again those of us who've made it here um seeing our nation my my father just came back from Cuba he says Abel Cuba is just two days away from becoming Haiti it's just regressing that you turn on the TV and and the Yuba religion dominates it's just it's just the odisha the Sania is just predominant in the culture is regressing to to the Obscure to Darkness what could you say how is America different what is Fabric in us that will cause us to believe again and to fight together yeah it's it's funny I was recently flying back from the Caribbean and they allow you to fly over Cuba now at 40,000 ft and I was with one of my team members and I was tracking the flight and I said hey look out the window what do you see he said nothing it's Darkness I said what do you think we're flying over he said oh over the Caribbean I said no we're flying over a country yeah I said it's a perfectly clear night said you're flying over a country I said look close you could barely see a light where Havana is barely it's like yeah that's that's that's the ball game you want you want to radicalize a young not radicalize open up the eyes of a young 20-year-old college student who thinks socialism is a great answer just fly over Cuba at night oh look this there socialists can be defin can be broken into two major categories okay the first is psychologically much harder to explain and unpack but probably more important which are very very rich people that want to redesigned Society in their making and their liking and they want to be oligarchs of a socialist society they want to be the castros they want to be the melinis in the mouse that that we could focus a lot of attention on them because they they're a very very evil group of people the second group of people to put it lightly are people too lazy too dumb too stupid to ever make a dollar in the market so they want to take other people's stuff that's right so that that's B and people driven by resentment and greed and envy that's who's in the second bucket and the Masters of the Universe the puppet the puppet class they use the resentment of the lower class to mobilize to keep themselves in power even though the underclass never get any richer and more powerful and the cycle repeats itself over and over again so one of the main reasons and this is why I wish every Church would just preach the Bible because you could you could obliterate Marxism in one sermon if you just open up your Bible one sermon you need to ask the question are human beings naturally good it's a very simple question and the answer is of course not but let's look at what the scriptures have to show us about the Hebrews right here's how I know the Bible is true God took the Jewish people and built them into a great nation pretty impressive no offense but they complain all the time they're constantly lying you know it's pretty impressive how you take the Jewish people and you build them into something great you could do it with them you could do it with anybody and so they leave Israel and not only are they doing the golden calf thing and all that within a couple days they're complaining God blows Quail off course Mana from Heaven literally in the Book of Numbers it says the Hebrews complain that they didn't have cucumbers melons leaks and they said bring us back to Egypt because at least we had better food and we had meat bring us back to slavery we would rather be taken care of than to be free and you think about that I never by the way I heard that message eight years ago okay and I read it in my Bible and I remember going up to my pastor and I said no no no no people want to be free I fought him I said no no no this is a different place different time then I lived through coid people do not want to be free they don't if you have a society that Embraces Freedom you have something very very rare it's a value you have a temptation to naturally want to sit at home and get stuff for nothing and want what your neighbor has what was the first murder in the Bible socialism the first murder in the Bible was socialism ISM how often do you have a pastor tell you that two sacrifices God likes one of them doesn't love one of them resentment murder all throughout the scriptures you see Envy I want somebody else's stuff I don't have it as good drive you to very evil and dark places so if you think human beings are naturally great then you think you can create heaven on Earth Earth and that is the promise of socialism that you can create a place of perfection for those of you that grew up in Cuba how often do they talk about vivaa Revolution just one more year one more decade we're going to bring in the greatest thing ever and then you say well why don't we have any food it's The American's fault right because they're blockading us yeah but you keep on shooting people oh no no no no forget it it's the Westerner fault now let me connect some big dots for you the unclean Spirit of blaming other people for your problems it's the blockade it's an apar state is the same through line of BLM in this country Hamas in the Middle East and the Socialists and the Communists all throughout South America which is we're never going to govern through an idea of we take responsibility for our own actions we're going to try to improve our life it's somebody else's problem because it comes from a flawed perspective where they think human beings are naturally great and anything wrong in the world is because of the structure or the system capitalism xenophobia you know homophobia all these reasons why the world is so bad and this explains why when I go to a college campus and I'm debating a brat who hasn't showered in two weeks smells it's unshaven no job you know reeks of marijuana telling me that America is the problem when in reality someone needs to say you're the problem that's right the biggest problem is you how about you stop smoking weed wake up earlier start taking responsibility for your life but that's a copout it's a cop out for a generation that does not want to say the biggest problem in the world is me they would rather blame some other external problem for it Marxism prays on these people they they weaponize them and they fill them with backwards ideology so you might be wondering why fight here well first of all God wants you to fight Ty in all of its forms that's right if pastors were honest to the Bible they would say something very clearly God does not want Humanity to live in authoritarianism he delivered the Jews from Egypt that lived under slavery and lived under tyranny Jesus Jesus says in John 10:10 one of my favorite verses it summarizes good versus evil better than anything as clo the enemy has come to lie steal cheat and Destroy I have come to give life and life more abundantly boom which side are you on lying cheating stealing or destroying or life or life more abundantly in Cuba they are not living with life or life more abundantly it is oppressive if you've never visited a Marxist country you should it is a different spiritual Dynamic it is heavy and if not just go to Portland it feels exactly the same it's not a or New York City feels the same Boston feels that way now Seattle feels that way now Philadelphia feels that way now San Francisco feels that way now where there Chicago where I grew up feels that way now where the citizenry feel hopeless and and then you you made a very very important point they get into the occult because they need some way to try to figure it out right so they get into the witch doctors or the Tet card tet card readers or the kind of like Oprah Winfrey Book Club thing where it's like yeah we're going to kind of like be one with the universe like this kind of Eastern Buddhist thing that so many Christians are now embracing and it brings Darkness upon your land and it makes you respect and just admire the goodness of God of what the word of God has done for civilization nothing has come even close to liberating people to live a decent life nothing and I don't think we as Christians talk about the fruit of the Bible enough I think we do do a good job of speaking about heaven and the afterlife but look at the goodness that the Bible has given the world we have a Christian inheritance you want to know what people are like left or their own devices Hamas is what they're like that's an we call it uncivilized or barbarism for a reason well what is civilized the Bible civilized society inde you go in that direction they rape they take kids there's nothing wrong with it they celebrate it who's to say that is wrong absent a Christian worldview that is that is considered great 30 Harvard organizers in the last 24 hours came out and signed an open letter saying it is wonderful what happened in Israel Harvard Columbia University something very similar they are the most Godless institutions remember they have some other God that replaces it you might say they have no wisdom of course because the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and that's why one of the reasons they believe all the stuff they believe so look if you're sick of fighting Marxism you're in the wrong country you are now living in one of the most I think high high stakes battles in the history of humanity and God wants us to defeat these marxists because I believe the ideology is from the pit of Hell that's right I believe so you know you um you mentioned that the first murder was because of socialism the the first socialist to make it to the to the new world was actually Christopher Columbus this is Columbus dead exactly he he he when when he left he didn't know where he was going when he landed he didn't know where he was and he did the whole thing with other people's money that's why he's a great socialist that was a joke um this word great reset and you were kind of touching on this powers and all of that what should Christians how should we think uh we believe in cataclysmic events that God controls um such a term you know um has a certain impact on Christians what would you say of this great reset that that that brings chills up spines of certain people yeah I mean I could talk at it at length I mean they have an agenda they they want to change the globe by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy uh they'll plug you into machines and you'll be a transhumanist robot they are already doing a great job of obliterating the currency which is a big part You Must Destroy the US dollar keep the borders completely and totally wide open and you might say Charlie what is driving this how could people be this evil well thankfully we as Christians do not have to answer that question it's very simple The Last Story told before the first Jew Abraham is exactly what is going on it is Genesis 11 playing itself all over again the Reconstruction of the city of Babel it's all that it is that's right to create a one world government it's Nimrod in its own way by the way I could do a two-hour speech on the profundity of Genesis 11 let me let us make a city for our name the pride that takes not the name of God Nimrod says we want to do it for us in our name God sees this as like whoa this is this is not going to end well that was an attempt at a one world government that was the world economic Forum that was CLA Schwab that was the UN what if I told you the Bible created the idea of of borders y separation the idea of a Sovereign Nation is a Biblical idea that's right so it should make sense as the world becomes less biblical they don't want Sovereign Nations they want Oneness and we've kind of allowed this to slowly drip in and I'm not even saying this was a bad idea but the European Union project was largely an idea of eroding sovereignty it's just you know you have one currency they speak more English than they speak their native languages now in Germany because it's just kind of the it's the way that all the countries can communicate with one another and there's some positives and negatives to that but you look at all these transnational alliances there's one thing that stand really two things that stand the way Israel stands on the way too but that's why they're going after it so hard and and by the way any sympathy you see for Israel wait one week everyone's going to be against Israel okay don't be fooled one week Mark it right now every international organization is going to say look at they're bombing hospitals and schools just wait give it one week public opinion will flip on its head guarantee it the second part though is America America is the country that should not exist in the eyes of the satanic Genesis 11 globalists that's right too strong we're too free we're too unified we're too willing to fight evil and the reason why Joe Biden who is a traitor to the United States by the way the reason why Joe and he's an active traitor he's not like he betrayed us once he is betraying us on an hourly basis okay hourly the reason why he keeps the Border completely and totally wide open is that he must destroy American sovereignty no borders no America you could bring in a one world type government there is a important theme I want to introduce to you though and we as Christians can understand so we have this idea of the escaton the escaton is the world that Christ will govern when he returns the 1,000 World Reign right the left believes in their own escaton in their own heaven on Earth they think they're doing the right thing and I want to just in this is a Jewish belief more than a Christian belief and I want to just challenge people because people say Charlie It's All About intentions only thing that matters is intentions and I don't believe that I don't I and you don't believe it either intentions can matter in certain situations okay let me prove it to you that if my wife tells me to take out the garbage and I forget versus my actively not defying her and not taking out the garbage those are two different situations would you agree me forgetting versus me saying I'm not doing it out of spite big difference but when we look at the revolutionaries should we cut them slack because they think they're creating Heaven some Christians say we should they say they think they're doing well so they're not doing evil you know most evil people never think they're doing evil more evil has been done in the name of good than anything else Hitler thought he was doing good he did not wake up every day and say you know what I'm going to go do some evil very very few people believe that and so what I'm what I'm trying to tell you is that the people we're fighting they think we're evil and they we think we know they're evil but they convinced themselves they're doing something good that makes them much harder to defeat much harder because you might say Charlie how could they Poss because they think they're creating Nirvana they think they're going to be able to get rid of the borders get rid of private property get rid of America get rid of colonialism get rid of homophobia and we're going to live in John Lenin's world and everyone will get along and rolling through the hills and more people have died under this false promise of Heaven on Earth than almost any other idea in the last 100 years I was at a Christian University and a young man came up and he said Charlie I think you're too nasty towards the intentions of other people and I say the intentions are irrelevant it is the evil that we must judge I'm sure they've convinced themselves they're doing good but they are destroying the nation and their actions themselves are evil that's right that's right and is it is in this age of information when we know what is right on paper um and and and and the actions that follow you know it's the same thing that I mentioned before the the the church how it happens you see European nations that do not fully declare themselves socialist but they include enough of that it is a slow war and if we're not that radical and what we why I appreciate you and we all do is because you have the courage to to cut it clear and clean um because the consequences of not doing that is is the whole frog warming up you know the effect of gradually and be and when we wake up it's too late uh my concern again for the church who who is the hope of the world um I believe is that we are waiting for something to happen to us personally to then react and it might be too late and there are too many Cubans and Venezuelans and too many people from other Nations that can tell all of us and America at large that it would it could happen and if we don't act now uh when we find out personally it might be too late can I can I yeah can I go ahead and I I I hate to be the downer here but I think it's already here yeah my whole career I've said Marxism is near in the last three weeks I now say it has arrived and it has captured the country and I can prove it to you I have no explanation other than a captured Marxist country where we have crime going up in every major city and Donald Trump faces 700 years in federal prison January 6 defendants is I think the January 6 defendants are no different than the political prisoners in Havana during Castro's Revolution they are no different in my eyes no different it's this when I see Donald Trump's assets might be taken from him in New York that's something that Castro would do he'd say you're the billionaire former president I don't like you I'm going to call you a fascist I'm going to take all your hotels Maduro would do that Chavez would do that it's the you guys know exactly of what I speak and then I'm going to just kind of I think we're going to do questions in a second right but there is a boy this is not exactly a fun topic don't believe that things will naturally turn around just because they get so bad and people will wake up look Israel example obviously that happens people say oh whatever you know go go Palestine I will tell you one story that I think will open your eyes to how Insidious this ideology is young couple at 3:51 a.m. sitting on a park bench in Brooklyn New York a black man crosses them and they get get in some sort of a conflict now both of these people are to the left of Joseph Stalin right there is and I don't wish death upon my enemies I don't do that okay but they're about defund the police and all that okay this young man gets in some sort of an argument his throat is slit by this young black guy and he dies weirdly enough his girlfriend doesn't apply first aid it's a very strange thing right but it gets sicker the young girlfriend the police come and they say Hey you know describe to us who did this and she says well I I'm not going to tell you the race cuz I don't want to perpetuate racism of course obviously at that moment you know it's a black person right so it's like okay thanks for telling us who did it um you're not exactly going to hold back the race if it's a Scott you know Scottish guy right so but hold hold on a second understand how sick this is she just saw her boyfriend get murdered in the streets and she's more worried about people thinking racist thoughts no than Justice for the killer okay how do you defeat that I mean that that that is that is a religion that is adherence to something that is fanaticism I'll tell you another example in Germany a young lady was gang raped by six Arabs okay Arab refugees because diversity is our strength right so just bring in as many people from the third world as possible by the way not a not a joke there's Sleeper Cell all over the country I pray they don't go off and Americans don't die they have because we've allowed 10 million people to come into our country okay so buy guns and walk around with one because this is about to get really hot really soon I pray I'm wrong anyway six Arabs go into Germany gang rape a girl the police you know she goes in and she says obvious she's traumatically what what could be worse for a female than six men gang raping her apparently something is worse they say describe who did this and she said uh six white Germans raped me so they go on a Manhunt for six white Germans and after a couple weeks you know they have no nothing but dead ends they go back to her turns out they interview her and she saidwell I didn't want to continue the anti-immigrant hatred in Germany she was protecting her rapists for ideology I I don't even know how to think about that to be honest a young lady gets gang raped and she wants to protect them because she's afraid that other people might think negatively of immigration from the Arab world we're not dealing with rationality here people this is spiritual warfare th this this is straight from the pit of Hell this is Lucifer himself that has manifested in cult-like ideologies that the college industry launders and repurposes there's no reasoning with these people there's no finding Middle Ground if you see your boyfriend's throat get slit and you're worried about describing that person because of racism you're not dealing with something where you can all of a sudden find a Middle Ground we must defeat these people it's the only option that's right turn it over to you now um everyone Chip Moore he's the original director for tpusa in Florida will you wave high applaud great job here yeah and I um I do want my mic there we go yeah we'll do some questions I do want to try to talk a little bit more about the Israel situation as well and so if anyone has a question about that I would love to lead with that in the first couple questions I know I peppered that in um but I think there's a lot of takeaways there so anyway so anyway uh the number one Turning Point USA High School leader in the country right here does a great job number one in the whole country all right what's your question all righty Charlie thank you so um my question is based around what's happening in Israel but I wouldn't want to say and i' and I've had a lot of my friends in school who are Muslim bring it up to me and they're obviously defending in in this case Palestine right they don't look at it much of a Hamas type of thing because that's not the narrative that the left is pushing right um but I do want to like maybe entice another topic into it and see if you could t it um so Genesis 9:6 says whoever sheds the blood of Man by man uh shall his blood be shed for God made man made man in his own image so um considering that apart from the fact that you know war is something that is always occurring um and uh you know something that is inev inevitable should capital punishment be something that is legal in the US as a whole and uh how do you think that we as conservatives should sort of avoid the negative stereotype against Muslims who aren't terrorists yeah no that that's fair I mean I let me first start with the first one I I have not seen an adequate amount of outrage by quote unquote peaceful Muslims about what's happened here this was not like a stroll in the park or a military base you know let me just tell you when I woke up on Saturday morning I turn off my phone I do a Jewish shabbat it's great I recommend it it's amazing and yet I was watching college football it's the one thing that I give an exception for right and I'm flipping the channels and this sounds bad but when I saw the news reports of war in is you know battle in is I'm I feel like I'm used to it right Rockets go back and forth unfortunately a couple dozen people die and it kind of simmers down and I start going back to the channel throughout the day and they're like 200 people dead I'm like what 300 I'm like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa they're talking about kid like no one gets gets kidnapped in Israel that's a big I hope you understand that is a big deal the last time that there was an Israeli kidnapping was like 2005 right 2001 it like 20 years ago right so they have 100 people like this is not normal right but I don't want to generalize because I think that's sloppy intellectually but it is a fact that when these people returned home the quote unquote peaceful people of Gaza treated them like Heroes it's a fact that in Turkey a NATO member by the way why that ever happened I don't know they're celebrating celebrating in Qatar they're celebrating so like let you spare me the lecture about how wonderful and how peaceful you guys are okay like you're institutionally defending this crap and I I need to see the goods to be perfectly honest with you right I and when when I see like Saudi Arabia they're like well we need to deescalate yeah easy for you guys to say Saudi Arabia okay like if you had a bunch of somebody come into Saudi Arabia and go into nurseries and I I I don't mean to like bother your day but sometimes you have to talk about the evil they dismembered 18-month year old babies on Saturday for sport and live streamed it this is not a military operation this is the h a mini Holocaust okay and I I do not use that language lightly okay I'm am not a person to call people Nazis I get called a Nazi all the time it sickens me when people cheapen that language this is the closest thing in fact it is the closest thing to the Holocaust we've seen in 80 years and I have to be told by Harvard that it's the beginning of a great Liberation and Colombia it it it is it's it really baffles the mind so I I I don't know how to reason with your Muslim friends tell them to you know go reform their religion and then we'll get back you know get back to us honestly like I'm I've lost patience with them to be perfectly honest I'll believe it when I see it um to the second part capital punishment yes morally I believe in capital punishment our country is so screwed up though because of how litigious we are we we kill the wrong person far too often so that's a real thing so my belief is we need to be very careful when we use capital punishment because there have been about 40 people that have been wrongfully executed in the last 30 years I think that's a great Injustice but um yeah like for example when I when I see the guy in B miji Minnesota who was the leader of a gang rape of an 11-year-old I think we should have a quick and speedy trial and publicly execute these people and I know that sounds medieval and extreme but I I I don't I believe that for certain crimes of depravity so heinous The Killing should be done in public it should be done quickly and it should be done as a as a sign so that people as a deterrent we give way too many concessions to these animals now if there's DNA like there's this case in Oklahoma where this guy's on death row and it's like he hired somebody for it and they don't have DNA evidence they should just take that off of the death row case life in prison like we there's we don't exactly strengthen our case when we go to the suspect cases I'll be very honest that's my personal opinion but when it's clear-cut admission of guilt right and you could see it you ABS the Bible is morally clear about it and I changed my opinion I used to not believe that a couple years ago um but then I studied my Bible more closely and started to love the Old Testament more yes oh first of all thank you so much for everything you do my name is Jerry Nukem you interviewed me once and I appreciate that about six months ago it was in reference to I remember that you do oh I actually have the program that we showed up an excert from I'd like you to have these but anyway just real fast I wanted to ask you about the issue of abortion because lately what the left is doing is there's they're spending millions and millions and millions of dollars in these different states for referendums and then they're coming up with the liberal votes so now the narrative is basically well if you're prif abortion is a losing issue and now I know the other side of that is well okay look at Ronda santis he did pretty well and he was very strongly pro-life but still you know I I'd like your thoughts on that yes so I'm 100% % pro-life and even so that I I lose people on my advocacy I I I don't waver when it comes to the defense of The Unborn but and so I I I'm even I don't even believe in exceptions for rape and incest that's that's how morally clear I am I just so we're very clear with with that being said I'm not my my principled moral teaching which is 100% clear is different than what I would give political advice on so there's three different categories okay so you have principles and then you have political power and the only way you can get your principles in to effect is with political power and then comes the messy and uncomfortable Middle Ground where a lot of Christians don't like ever talking about which is politics right and politics is the art of the possible and I'm not saying we should ever waver in our belief or but we also have to understand that my 100% belief on no exceptions for abortion is not where the country is at it's just not and so when certain candidates say I will run on an 8-week ban I I I think that's a step in the right direction I think incrementalism is something that we should embrace 100% And then win over people and win over hearts and minds and be there for young women that are in distress so all those things can be simultaneously true and I we must also speak another truth if the 20124 election is only about abortion we will lose and I say that as a pro-life Warrior who who debates this topic and goes to crisis centers and raises money for them and debates planned parented maniacs and so that you might say well Charlie you're contradicting yourself I'm actually not I'm saying what I believe what I I want to get to a place where abortion is illegal in all 50 states and every life is protected okay and I also know that I believe it's the modern-day moral equivalent of slavery and decoupling from slavery was very difficult the incrementalist actually won the slavery debate over time that's right so you have to win consensus win where you can legislatively debate win in the culture War have people like Candace Owens like what we're doing at Turning Point USA you know go viral on the topic and so as long as we're moving in the right direction I think that is okay so when President Trump comes out people say oh he's caving on abortion is he or is he trying to make politics which is the art of the possible be in you know be in political power and understand that look we do not live in a pro-life country you can hope we live in a prif country we just don't the fact of the matter is the majority of the country especially Suburban Housewives they want abortion on demand in case their 16-year-old daughter who's sleeping around too much gets knocked up and they don't want to have that kid around that's not a speculation it's a fact okay the driving force for abortion politics are Suburban housewives that want abortion as a last measure to preserve their daughter to be able to go to college okay we have to win those people over eventually while understanding that there is a variety of issues that we will have 0% say in if we do not win a presidential election right if we do not win a presidential election and here's another part I could tell you in certain States when it is only about abortion we get nothing when it comes to about abortion because we lose so you know people going after Trump by the way he put people in the Supreme Court that re reversed Row versus Wade George W bush didn't do that George HW Bush didn't do that so that's a very complicated answer I hope it made sense but all those things can be simultaneously true while we're not wavering on the moral Clarity of what it is which is a genocide and a slavery of our time we must never waver on the moral the moral importance and prerogative of that so yeah how you doing uh Charlie God bless you man I'm Rob I go to a church here in Miami Beach I found about I found out about this event through a fa through an Instagram post and coincidentally I know this brother he's a man of God so praise God for that um and so the timing of this meeting could not be more perfect my church just had a meeting with all the leaders and he wanted to talk about the whole issue with trans and lgbtq and all that stuff and he said in this church we will not allow allow people to practice what they do here in the church in other words if a man comes as a woman dressed as a woman that person will go to the men's bathroom if they want to go to the women's bathroom we will escort them out and with love if they want to sit and hear the sermon praise God we believe God could God could change them okay now um I believe many churches have become transs themselves transparent because they they they avoid talking about this you know what I'm saying H how can we make the churches you know talk about this situation we have to let them know that this is a sin it's wrong well yeah it's more than a sin it's actually called an Abomination by God in Deuteronomy if a man shall dress as a woman it is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord so here I am at a church service right I pull out my Bible which you know many pastors don't read in America and it's just true especially Andy Stanley and I say well we should talk about that what he did recently is so sick he will be judged for what he did Y and I say I think it's Deuteronomy 20 or something and it says that if a man shall dress as a woman or in woman's garments that is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord what and he shall be beg shot beged shot canot a man cannot wear a female garment right because and there's plenty of explanations God wants the separation he doesn't want a man masquerading as a woman and so what happens is the media says Charlie thinks that trans people are an Abomination to God I like no no no God thinks they're an Abomination to that himself I'm just the messenger doesn't matter what I think I'm just reading the scripture like so look we need to be way more morally clear on the trans thing I I'm called a radical on the issue radical means to the root I am a radical okay I refuse to acknowledge somebody's mental disease because you d i i i i i don't care what you think you are and I'll give you a great example that really blows the minds and I actually got it from Candace Owens so Candace Owens had a schizophrenic stalker who believed that he was married to Candace Owens why is he wrong it's his truth right he believes that he's married to her don't we honor people's truth he feels it he knows it it's who he is how is that any different than a man who thinks and believes that he's a woman no reality must triumph over somebody's mental delusion which is exactly what this is this is a crisis of a delusion that has infected our entire society and look God created man and female period and God God created order and separation for a reason and the church must be clearly speaking so what did Andy stand Stanley do Andy Stanley had a conference where he said we must have lgbtq he used their language can you believe it the L gtq plus he had two people that claimed they're not married okay let be very clear they say they're married they're apostates but they say they're married which is not a thing you can't be married to a man you can't be married to a woman if you're a woman it's not possible uh you might be lusting you might be having sex with that person but it's not marriage you can you can appropriate it all you want I'm a stickler for words okay marriage is the attraction of opposites to create a hole okay you know why it's so important if you don't stand for marriage that means you don't believe in the relationship between Christ and his church think about that marriage is the same thing as Christ with his bride okay so Andy Stanley has two of these men speak at his conference at a church open homosexuals saying that we need to do a better job as a church or else we're going to lose attendance look first of all he's wrong but honestly I'll be happy happy to lose attendance as long as we're speaking the truth yeah I don't care yes next question hello Charlie how are you my name is jge Galia I am from Venezuela I came to this beautiful Nation four four years ago and I'm actually in right now the tpusa field rep for South Florida and uh thank you actually if you are in college and you want to start a chapter reach out to me but my question is basically about Iran what should we do about Iran I I know we have really good reasons to believe that they were the ones behind the recent attack that we saw in Israel Iran is all over Venezuela they basically kidnap one of they are one of the kidnappers of our nation and they're all over our Western hemisphere what how do we deal with that yeah that's a great question so I actually find myself for once in a position of moderation which is actually fun because usually I'm like on the extremes of things um I'll be honest I I don't trust the National Security apparatus in DC I'm an outspoken critic of sending Aid to Ukraine I think we should find peace in this war of Ukraine and Russia um it's not America's responsibility especially as our own border remains completely and totally wide open and you heard my passion some somebody asked me today they said Charlie what should America do for Israel let Israel defend itself they can handle this one they got it you know what we can do stand up for them at the UN and and and create media cover for Israel has this plenty okay it's that that's not it's not going to be a military issue okay I think we should also be very skeptical of some of the Hawks that got us into no- win war situations in Afghanistan that might be trying to drag us into another no- win war in the Middle East I think both can be simultaneously true that's where I find myself in kind of like a position of moderation I think sanctions back on Iran make sense having the Traer Joe Biden kicked out of the White House and freeze the $6 billion dollar in assets that were were sent into Iran which is pathologically insane um would be one thing and honestly you want to really stick it to Iran do everything you can to preserve the Israeli Saudi Arabian peace deal that just got interrupted that would really stick it to Iran blessed are the peacemakers right so let Israel be Israel and then have America come in and say okay let's make that Israel Saudi Arabian deal happen that would that would this is here's my personal calculation okay just going to be honest with you I find it very very hard to believe that Netanyahu is not double crossed here okay i' I've been to the Gaza Strip I've been to that border wall you go to coffee there's like six IDF guys with machine guns okay took six hours to mobilize a response the whole thing is very very weird very suspicious okay I'm not saying that the government knew about it I'm saying that the government probably was double crossed by people within the Israeli government that gave them bad information and mad screwed this up so royally I was talking to a guy high up in IDF and I'm not the only one with that belief okay but I think why would Iran do Iran I was watching CNN before this because I hate myself and I was watching CNN I I felt like throwing a rock I felt like a you know an Arab where they just you know they do nothing but destroy I see Biden Administration colon no evidence of Iran behind the Hamas attack like really you I'm supposed to believe this crap that Iran was not involved in the training and the planning of an 800 perso