Charlie Kirk Confronts Islam, Immigration, and America's Spiritual Battle at Albuquerque Church

Great to see you. Okay, you're done. I hope you give your life to Jesus Christ cuz Jesus loves you. Hold on. Hold on everybody. Let's say a word of prayer because she needs Jesus in her life and Jesus should be her Lord and Savior. And I I pray the Holy Spirit over you that your demons will be conquered and that Christ is king over your life and over all of our lives. In Jesus' name we pray. I knew I knew there'd be one. I knew it. I told her what would happen. But anyway, Charlie, thank you. You know what the headline is now going to be? I know. Charlie booed with small like look around. But I think we have more supporters than one little heckler. Yeah. And I know the media, they'll say there was a couple hundred people here. Yeah. It won't be thousands, but it'll be a couple hundred. I know how they work. But hey, aren't we glad to have him in Albuquerque in our state. So, we're going to discuss some major things going on in our country. And one of them is South Park because Charlie Kirk is the master debater. I said it right. You said it right. I've been practicing. For the record, I said, "Are you sure you want to talk about this at church?" And Steve said, "We're not like most churches." That's why I love this pastor, by the way. Isn't he great? I think the whole thing was hilarious. By the way, we as conservatives, we can take a joke unlike the left. They're so serious with themselves all the time. And I got to tell you, we actually could play some of the clips here. Before Before I play some of the clips here, I just want to say this is just a testament to how powerful and how viral and influential what Turning Point USA has been able to do on campuses across the country. And if they're not making fun of you, you're not making a difference. And I'll tell you, so so they I could tell one of the things I'm probably most proud of of my entire life is that on South Park, I guess I have been able to get them to make a pretty good argument against abortion on South Park thanks to my videos. So, not only that, we'll play another video of them quoting the Bible on South Park. So, let's let's start with let's start with this video where let's someone comes up to the master of debate. I'll just say that, Steve. Okay. Asking the question. Probably safer. Safer asking the question, well, abortion should be legal. Let's see what South Park has to say. Well, you You have to know when you've reached that level, you are making a difference in this country. So, good for you, man. And quote quoting scripture, pro-life argument, and again, as we like to say at Turning Point USA and all of our work, we are le we are living in their fe feeds, rentree, their social media feeds, and it's a it's a major major win and huge cultural victory for sure. Well, Charlie, let's get into some of the things that's happening in our country that are big big big things. Um, let's start with immigration and um you um you you've you really have a wellbalanced good take on what should happen, what needs to happen, what is happening. And so, let's talk about that for a little bit if you would. Well, first of all, last time I was here with all of you guys, uh Joe Biden, I think technically was still president and Kla Harris was running for the presidency. America's in a much better place. Great stuff. America's in a much better spot. And a year ago, we were averaging thousands of people coming across our border that were not invited. And now our border is completely secure. And in fact, I would not yet say that New Mexico is safe, but it's safer. Your violent crime rate is going down. Your homicides are going down. Of course, the local media, they won't put two and two together. Oh, wait. When you do deportations and you deport the violent criminals and secure the southern border, Albuquerque becomes more livable and all of a sudden violent crime starts to go down. The numbers, by the way, are pretty amazing if you look at it's not it's still one of the more dangerous cities in America. But it's true. Um, got some work to do, but it was really bad a couple It was really bad a year ago. But first of all, we just need to praise Donald Trump and his team for completely securing the southern border. Totally. And it goes to show that the prior administration kept the southern border because they wanted the southern border to remain open and they wanted the kind of flow of drugs and crime. And by the way, I know there's a lot of people that came to America the right way in this room. That is a major moral difference than those that came across the border without invitation. And I understand that the people that came here the right way, they say, "Wait a second. Why did you cut in line? I waited my turn. I came here the right way. I filled out my paperwork. We We are a country of laws and we need to understand that the law-abiding immigrants in this country should not be penalized for those that try to come from everywhere around the world. And this is not just a central South American issue. Over 130 countries from around the world represented of people that were coming across the southern border a year ago. So the border is completely secure, which is amazing. And now now President Donald Trump is going forward in the in the biggest deportation effort in American history. And some people say, "Oh, I don't know if I like that." Either we're a nation of laws or we're not a nation of laws. What other law should we make an excuse for? Should it be for arson? Should it be for carjacking? And people say, "Well, it's not the same thing." Sometimes not the same thing, but some people come here and they steal social security numbers. Some people come here and they have fraudulent identities. But here is the core basis. We are a nation and a nation must fundamentally have something in common. And if you come here and most importantly of the entire conversation, if you come here and you don't assimilate, and this is the biblical component here that we need to talk about, immigration without assimilation is an invasion. And when you do not assimilate to the United States of America, so what does that mean? You learn English. This is your home. This is your country. This is the place that you are willing to bleed for, that die for. This is the place that is your is your new homeland. And the difference that I found so often is that we have we have always said to people that have come to this country the last couple decades, you're allowed to come with all of these rights and all of these privileges and all of these benefits, but no expectations. We need to have expectations for the people that come to the United States of America. The first expectation, follow the rules of the land when you come here. Period. End of story. And Steve, I want you to give your example because we are talking about this backstage because some people try to misuse biblical scripture to justify open borders. Just so we are clear, the idea of borders comes from scripture. The idea of boundaries and barriers comes from the Bible. But most importantly, whenever the Bible talked about immigration, it talked about assimilation to the laws and the customs and the traditions of the nation of Israel. And this is the very this is the most important thing. We are a very welcoming and generous nation. But we should not put up with people that come to the United States, especially the Muslim immigrants that we've seen across this country. And they don't want to assimilate to the United States of America. They want to bring third world ideas into our nation and our country. And by the way, this is a colorblind idea. If you are out here and you're Hispanic or if you're white, all of us together, this transcends skin color. This is not about red. This is not about black. This is not about white. This is not about Asian. It's about red, white, and blue being the ultimate connective tissue of the United States of America. And so, Steve, I want to I want to reiterate though the biblical side of this because some people will say, well, the Bible tells us that we must open up our borders to all people at all times. First of all, it does not say that. This is a misuse of scripture. But most importantly, in the book of Deuteronomy, it says, "Be careful who you allow into your nation because who you allow into your nation could one day become your masters." Here's a verse that I actually had um I was looking at earlier that I want to read. It's from the book of Numbers, which is a phenomenal book. Uh for the the real title of the book of Numbers is in the wilderness, but I wish it would be called that more people would read it. Um for the assembly, there shall be one statute. This is talking about immigration for you. And for the stranger who comes into your nation, a statute forever throughout your generations. You and the sojourer, which mean the person that came to your nation, shall be alike before the Lord. This is my favorite thing. This should be every time you talk about immigration. You should say one law and one rule shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourners with you. There are no alternative laws. There are no alternative customs. We have one law equally applicable to all Americans regardless of where you come from or regardless of the story that you tell. And you think about it, the legal immigrants that have come here, you say, "Wait a second. Why can this person come with a DUI on their record, they could start carjacking, cut in line, steal a social security number when if I did one thing wrong that I came here illegally, I would be deported?" And when you say it's not fair, you're right. It wasn't fair under Joe Biden. But fairness is coming back to our immigration system thanks to Donald Trump. Yep. You know, Charlie, biblically, people uh say those things and it just amazes me where they get it from. But when Rahab, the prostitute, saved the spies, helped them get out, they said they would save her and her family, whoever's in her home at the time. And when she was taking when they were when they overtook Jericho, and they she was taken out, she wasn't even allowed in their camp. She had to stay outside the camp until she was assimilated as a Jew. And and what people miss is that God set this up. Folks, if we're if we're in a war, I don't want someone next to me that I don't know that's going to help. They're going to shoot me or not. You know, I had a trainer uh Charlie that uh he was from Jamaica. He came over, he played sports. He was a track star at UN M. And uh he came over here and I remember when all this was starting, he hated it. He said, "I went through the system. I went through the five years. I was there when he was sworn in as an American." And this is what he said to me was interesting. He said, "Past Steve, of all the people I talked to, you're the only one I've talked to that understands the Constitution as well as I do. And I'm from Jamaica." And and and because he assimilated into our culture. And I think that's what Charlie's talking about, folks. We just can't have people coming in here randomly holding up flags from other nations. This is and always will be the United States of America. Amen. and and we are very welcoming, but we will not tolerate you come here, wave a foreign flag of any origination, and then act as if that is the American thing to do. Our ancestors of all different skin colors and all different backgrounds that built America, they forgot their foreign flag and they pledged allegiance to a singular creed, the United States of America. And if that offends you, then we're in the middle of the most important debate in America, which is that if you do not assimilate in the national project, you don't have a nation. You have something different. We are a country, not a colony. A colony is a place where no one knows each other and you're all strangers and you're all kind of just trading goods and services. I want to go back to the nation, where you don't have to lock your doors at night. I want to go back to a nation where you're okay allowing your kids play out out at night, but yeah, come back before it gets dark. Do you guys feel that it's safe enough in Albuquerque for that? No. And again, immigration is not the only reason. Your ridiculous traitorous governor is half the reason as to why that's the case. the wicked witch of the north and the fact that it's been one party Democrat rule in this state for far too long. But the more I travel, the more I study, the more I realize widespread public crime is a choice. It is a choice by your leaders not to put police on the streets and convict the criminals. And this, by the way, is is again, it's not a skin color thing. They always like to racialize it. But if you guys say no, you don't feel safe allowing your kids to play out at night in your home city, then your leaders have failed you and they should all be fired regardless of their political affiliation. And let's just dive into this, right? Because a very simple part of being an American should be that you feel at home in your community. I mean, the joke that someone said to me recently is like, "Yeah, I have to shower with my pistol because I don't know what's going to come to the front door." Does anyone else feel that way? I mean, sort of. I don't know. I hope not. Again, this Albuquerque is is a different spot. But, um, and you're all you're all very wonderful, by the way. I I want to be clear. It's You guys are Thank you. It's not It's not an indictment of the people. It's an indictment of your leaders. It's an indictment of what your leaders have allowed to happen to you. And whether it be the widespread homelessness, the open air drug addiction, or the easy on crime policies, now that we have a secure southern border, I could think we I think we could startly start to finally get New Mexico to back where it was 30 or 40 years ago when it comes to crime. But I I just I hesitate because if if the young ladies in this room don't feel safe walking the streets of downtown Albuquerque, then there's something again, everyone's laughing, and you should laugh because of course you don't feel safe. The the the the police officers don't feel safe sometimes walking the streets Albuquerque. And again, we like to insult some of these other countries like, oh, you know, Japan or South Korea, you could walk the streets of Tokyo and you would be just fine. You could walk the streets of Soul, South Korea, and you know, one thing that Japan has in common, they are a nation. They are a one people. And now we have decided to embark on a bigger and broader project where we bring a lot of different people here. But the failure to assimilate to, hey, here in America, you don't you're not able just to go, you know, assault a woman at 1:00 a.m. or you're not able to just steal a car. Carjackings will not be put up with. Crime is an extension of what you allow. And I've seen this now multiply all across the country where people say, "Well, we must have sympathy for the criminal. How about sympathy for the victim that just had their car broken into?" And so crime has quickly become one of my top political issues. And it's tied a little bit into the immigration issue without a doubt. But in this state in particular, I believe there's a once silent, increasingly vocal majority in this state that is sick of the lies, the deceit, the corruption, the lack of safety that your leaders have exhibited. And I think it's time to completely clean house in this state and allow a new generation of leaders to take hold. And you know, Charlie, we should demand that by our media, too. the media doesn't say anything about her. Won't I know some of them in here and and it's sickening that you guys let her get away with that. If it would have been a Republican, if it would have been someone this conservative, you would have been all over it. And she has ruined our state. And um when when uh when CO was going on, I dubbed her I named her the wicked witch of the north because she is wicked and she is demonic. And I wish the conservatives would really stand up and fight, fight hard, fight with everything we have. I know we have some protesters out there. I don't think there was enough. I mean, I I think they were bad protesters. Like, that's all you brought? Like, man, and they're standing out in the street with, you know, those those horn things, you know, talking and and I'm like, we can't hear you. We're in the dome. And um but you know, if you're going to protest, do it a little better than that. But we we can stand up for our city and our state. And we've been fighting for this. Charlie's been here a bunch of times to help us fight. And I'm telling you guys, we can win this state and get it back in order. And so you were talking about that a lot of the immigration with Islam or the Muslims. You know, I lived in Tehran, Iran when I was younger and I think I moved back here when I was 13 and a half years old and and I so I saw it firsthand. I know what it looks like. I know what it is. But you've been really hitting it hard. So talk about that for a little bit. I I think the church has done a good job of kicking wokeism out of the church. We're not yet done with that. But you guys should give yourselves a round of applause because this church stood courageously against wokeism during co and the years subsequent. Now, what do we mean by wokeism? Critical race theory, postmodernism, deconstructionism, questioning biblical inherency, undermining the community of the Christian project, which is the church. And I think we're doing a good job of pushing wokeism out. That can be better understood as Marxism. Wokeism is call something racist until you control it. Call something unjust until you control it. So I hope everyone understands that in the West right now there is a project that that is underway. There is an effort. There is a deliberate campaign. There is a mission. And President Donald Trump, by the way, stands in the way of this happening. That's why they hate him so much. They don't hate him because of his tweets. They don't hate him because of his tone. They hate him because he represents you against the enemy of darkness to come and take over the United States of America. But it's it's a two-pronged attack and it is what I call the red which is Marxism and then the green axis. And we don't talk about the green axis enough. It is a mixture of Marxism and otherwise known as Islam. Now, needless to say, we all know one or two or three good neighborly Muslims, right? I know some in Phoenix, Arizona. It's not an indictment of them. The the bigger question, though, is what happens when you import tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of this foreign ideology. And out of all the different backgrounds, the one ideology that has the worst track record of assimilating with the United States of America, it's Islam. And we are right now on the precipice of having the mayor of New York City and the mayor of London both being Muslim. Now you might say, "Well, how does that impact me here in Albuquerque, New Mexico?" Now, I don't know if you guys have a big Muslim issue or not here in New Mexico. I I don't know. In Arizona, it's growing. But let's just take a pause. If our greatest I was going to say greatest, if our biggest city is about to fall to an Islamic mayor, we should take a step back. 24 years after 9/11. And we should ask ourselves the question. Why did we send all of these hundreds of thousands of young men and women to go fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, just to have that ideology come to the biggest city in the United States of America, New York City. And so we need to take what does and how does that impact all of you here in New Mexico? Again, you're a little bit removed from it. You guys have other issues. But from the top down, understand that this parasitic ideology is about conquering without ever having to fire a shot. It is not done with tanks or mortar shells or with drones. It is conquering via maternity wards. It's conquering in the delivery room. Mass production of new babies that are brought in via mass immigration. And you might say, "Oh, Charlie, you're just you're exaggerating. The mayor of Minneapolis is about to be a Muslim." So, you're about to have Minneapolis and you're about to have New York City. Do you think Elon Omar has assimilated the United States of America or Rashida Talib or Zoran Mani? Again, if we are part of the United States of America, we should care about when our biggest city is about to fall to this kind of ideology. And Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. Islam is at odds with all the freedoms that we enjoy. They do not believe in any separation between mosque and state. They do not believe in freedom of speech or freedom of expression. They do not believe in the freedom to criticize the government. The practices that we enjoy so great here in the United States of America. And here's the one thing that's the kicker. You have this axis again, the red green axis, this Marxism Muhammad, axis. What do they have in common? Even though a lot of the Marxists are lesbians or gays or transgenders, they get along with the Muslims, they get along because they hate us. They hate the West and they hate the United States of America. That's why you see gays for Palestine on these college campuses, which by the way, it's like, you know, chicken for KFC. It's not exactly [Applause] they'll they'll throw you off a roof once they're done with us, okay? But their hatred and their venom to want to suffocate the United States is what unifies them. So the first thing that needs to happen is you need more pastors like Steve Smotherman that are willing to speak out very plainly about the spiritual implications. Now a lot of people are talking about Israel. We we talk I'm sure we'll get a question or two on Israel. But you know what I I wish we spent as much time talking about Israel. We should talk about the amount of Islamop fascism growing in the United States of America. All those issues to properly understand them, you must understand Islam. And Islam is growing and multiplying in the west. Has anyone had the I displeasure or pleasure to go to London recently? It is an unrecognizable city. The city has fallen. And as London became more secular and as London became less religious, they imported more Middle Eastern uh Muslim immigrants and and it was unrecognizable. And so so Steve, but here's the one good piece of news that I want to mention, then I want you to riff on Islam as well, that we are starting to see a resurgence of people going back to church. Gen Z is the most Christian generation that we have seen in 50 years. We are seeing young men give their life to Jesus. Forest Frank is one of the most downloaded to and listened to Christian artists out there. Out of the top 100 Apple Music downloads, a disproportion of them are Christian. But the spiritual battle is coming to the West. And the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life. And the American way of life is very simple. I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids, allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down, send them to a good school, have a low crime neighborhood, not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school, while also while also not having them have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day. That's important. We want the American way of life, which is, by the way, Christendom. Christians, our sacrifice, our toil, our vision, the outgrowth of the scriptures gave us Western civilization. And this is where I think is a great rallying cry. Doesn't matter if you're Hispanic, doesn't matter if you're Asian, doesn't matter if you're black or white. Everybody, if you are Christian and Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, these two threats are combining forces to come after us and it's time that the church stands and rises up against it. I you know it I've been here a long time in New Mexico and I have um been taken back so many times about even our leaders. They'll go to these woke churches that they compartmentalize their their belief and their faith and and they don't even realize what they're doing. And I I just wish Christians would be Christians. And Islam, folks, I've lived in it. I've seen it. No one can tell me about it. And I know when you watch movies or shows, they depict it as this nice, kind religion that everybody's so sweet and we're being so unfairly treated. It's not true. Sharia law is the worst thing in the world. And it's anti- good, anti-Christian, anti-Bible. And we can't we can't be lulled into a sleeping into a stuper because of the media. And they're never going to tell you the truth. And so that's why we need people like Charlie Kirk. Well, and also it gives us an opportunity to really show the contrast between the truth of Christianity and the lies of Islam. They say that Muhammad was the greatest man ever to live. That is their claim, not our claim. Okay. Muhammad was a genocidal warlord who married a six-year-old. Did you guys know that? And then consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. We believe the greatest man ever to live defeated death a at the grave rose three days later and when it came to children said it's better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck than to go after one of these children. I'm sorry. I'm team Jesus on this one. And but and I want to comment on the wokeism stuff too, everybody, which is that if you know of a church that has a gay pride flag outside of that church, that is not a church. That's something else. And I'm not I'm not trying to attack the individuals running that church. Steve might. I don't know them. Oh, I will. Yeah. But I don't know enough. All I know is what I can see. And that's something else. That could be a Democrat party headquarters. That could be a Planned Parenthood building. That could be a pagan temple. But that's not a church. And we need to stop treating them like churches or calling them churches because you should not desecrate the name of the Lord with the homosexual flag outside of the holy place. Period. And you know, just to tag on to that, it it's also the churches that refuse to speak about it at all that let these people is is is complicit. They're they're complicit. So, you know, they have people serving in their church, serving with their children, serving on their stage, and they don't care. And I'm telling you folks, it's it's it's it's so egregious. It's so anti-God to let that immorality stand in our pulpits and think it's okay. It's not okay. And we we we have the answer for them, by the way. The answer is Jesus. Jesus can save them. He can heal them. He can He can help them, but not if not if we're complicit and agree with them and think it's okay. We can't help anybody when we agree with their lifestyle. And the thing there's no help for them. Would you agree? Love is not approval. Amen. The three most important things that every church should talk about, and Steve talks about it every Sunday, is where did I come from or how did I get here? Why am I here? And where am I going? Origin, purpose, destination. Every church should talk about those every single day. And the problem is that the modern woke church, they're indifferent about the last two. They might say God created you, but they'll be like, "Well, you're here to li live your best life or to love yourself." Everybody, you are not here to love yourself. You're here to do four words. Jesus said it. Love God, love people. Four words every day. You should be loving God and loving people. But love does not mean acceptance. If I saw that Steve was in a repeated declared sinful pattern or behavior, would it be loving or unloving for me to tell him? It would be un it would be unloving for me not to tell him. The loving thing is where you see a brother or sister stumbling for you to correct it. Now, you don't have to be you don't have to scorn. And here's one very important thing that I think people get mixed. It is a sin to humiliate. You should never humiliate somebody. Now, if they humiliate themselves, like many do on my college campus videos, they did it to themselves. But I sometimes I fall short of the standard in my videos. I do. I I acknowledge it. But if you see someone that is sinning, you take them privately, say, "Hey, you're you're not you're not living Christlike in this way, this way, this way." Either you're engaging in homosexuality or you're, you know, fornicating or you're co cohabitating. And by the way, we're not just picking on homosexuality. If you are living with somebody before you get married, you are sinning and that is the sin of cohabitation. If you are sleeping with somebody before you get married, that is the sin of premarital sex. And now if and even worse than even all of those, if you are sleeping with a married person or sleeping while you are married, that is the sin of adultery, which in the Old Testament was punishable by death. I'm not saying it should be punishable by death, but it was a very serious sin in the Old Testament. Right? But if I see somebody either, you know, they are they are not living in a standard befitting of God. They might be recklessly gambling. By the way, we have a huge gambling problem in this country. The sports gambling stuff is getting totally out of control. And young men, I want to tell you before football season kicks off, there's a much better use of your time than trying to do a parlay bet on DraftKings or FanDuel. spend that money on yourself by improvement on your family or go buy Amazon stock. Don't go do that. Okay? But that's a sin to gamble away. Or maybe you have the sin of drunkenness. Maybe you're just going out all the time and you're getting drunk. The point being is that a loving church, love God, love people. You love people by telling them the truth. And where the modern church has messed up, the church with the homosexual flag, they think the greatest sin is judging. They'll say, "Well, Jesus says, "Do not judge." The Bible does not say that. Agreed. Jesus says, "Do not judge, lest you not be judged." Oh, hypocrite. Which, by the way, is a judgment. Jesus was telling us how to judge, not not to judge. It is one of the misqued, most misunderstood scriptures. And instead, what we need to do is we need to talk about the perfect standard that Jesus puts up and how we fall short of it and that we we as the church need to constantly be aiming towards the holiness. Some people say, "Well, Charlie, you know, I just want to be happy in marriage." No, you don't want to be happy in marriage. You want to be holy in marriage. It's a big difference. Charlie, I just want to live a happy life. You should want to live a holy life, not just a happy life. Holy means separate. Holy means elevated. Holy means that I'm striving towards something that I can't always touch and I can't quite understand. The modern church messes this all up and they finally they mess up the most important question destination. Steve get crushes this every Sunday. Every Sunday Steve is doing altar calls because the most important question of all the questions most important question is not how am I going to pay my mortgage. The most important question is not how much money I have in the bank account. There is one question that matters. It's who is Jesus Christ. The answer that's it. If you want to distill all Am I right, Steve? Absolutely. You want to distill all the teaching, I could just give you the whole ball game, write it down and remember it for the rest of your life because we'll ask a lot of questions here, right? Well, how do you feel about this? And what do you think? And it's the most important question. Who is Jesus Christ? The answer to that will either give you eternity or damnation. And that is destination. But you only need Jesus or you believe you need Jesus if you know you're off the mark. You cannot talk about a savior if you never talk about sin. And the modern church is afraid to talk about sin. Why? Because I might judge somebody. I might offend somebody. To the modern church, happiness is the goal. Judgment is the ultimate sin. And God is just a guess. In a true biblical church like the one you're sitting in, God is the ultimate truth. Holiness is the goal and the greatest sin is blaspheing in the name of God and defiling the name of Jesus Christ. That's how you know you're sitting in a Bible-based church. Charlie just he's smart, man. The way you articulate things. I'm sitting there want to stand up and Amen. Hallelujah. You know, isn't it amazing that so many people come against Charlie and what he does and yet, you know, I've talked to people and say, "I don't know if he's a Christian." I said, "I do. I know he's a believer." That's right. And the reason he does this is because he's a believer. And God has elevated him supernaturally for this day. And I believe he did it through co in a big way because Charlie was the onlybody person out there that had a voice that was being listened to that was talking about the evils of it. Now it's proved that it was all a hoax. And I want to again we're going to throw we're going to do a volleyball of compliments back here, right? Like a it's like a pickle ball of compliments. But Steve, I stood here on this stage I think in 2020 or 2021 and you were the only place open and we talked about you guys supported me. Who is there by the way? Honestly, God, and you guys have been my Albuquerque core. You have been praying for me. You've been donating to Turning Point, sending me emails. I want to say thank you cuz you guys have been just so awesome to me and At Turning Point USA, and you've helped make America a better place. So, thank you guys. You guys have just been awesome. But we I stood right here, Steve, and I was like, Steve, can I talk? He's like, talk about all the things. We talked about Ivormectton. We talked about why masks were bad for kids. We talked about why the schools need to be wide open. you know, be open. We talked about why lockdowns were one of the greatest mistakes ever made. And we were called by the media who's sitting here in this room that we should pray for. By the way, we were called to be anti-science, super spreader. They even alluded the fact that we were going to do mass killings. And guess what? We were right and they were wrong. But you know why we were right? It's not because Steve and I have higher IQ's. It's because and I say this when I got to know Steve it's cuz we submitted the scripture. You and what we found out in co and then we'll do some questions. You guys can start lining up in a second. What we found out is that there were a lot of people with knowledge but very few people with wisdom. Wisdom is the ability to choose well when it matters. Let me say that again. Wisdom is the ability to choose well when it matters. People might have a lot of facts and knowledge like Fouchy, but no wisdom. And where does, by the way, Fouchy should be in prison, by the way. He's a terrible person. But where does wisdom begin with the fear of the Lord? Yes, you get wisdom. If you do not believe in God, you will not get to wisdom. You'll have a lot of facts and you'll have no wisdom and be quite dumb. Let's get to some questions, guys. And thank you for sitting through all that. Before we go, hey, before you ask a question, remember guys in line, ask a question. We don't want a monologue. Please just ask because there's other people. I would love to get to like 20 or 30 questions if we can make it quick. If we could do that. So, just just tell we have time, but it's always the sometimes Yeah, I'm running for dog catcher in Santa Fe type thing, right? All right. So my question I'm kind of the last year has really have really come into my Christianity and my faith. So as a baby Christian I'm curious where our loyalty should stand when it comes to Israel. And the second part kind of comes from the idea of replacement theory and the covenants and obviously with Abraham circum like circumcision change that covenant kind of shifted. Is the new covenant truly transcendent? Does it alter everything that was before this? Phen honestly phenomenal question. Thank you for coming with such good um a good heart and honestly welcome welcome to Christianity. I can't wait to see you in heaven. So I get this question a lot. I will start and then Steve will continue. But let me ask you one question as you're wrestling if if it's okay. Do you think God breaks his promises? I do not. Okay. You do not. Yeah. You do not. So that's a that's an important question and again it's not an easy answer but it says in Genesis 17 that God has an everlasting covenant with the people of Israel his chosen people. So we have a choice to make. We can say that that was just exaggerative writing or is that literal everlasting covenant with the people of Israel. Now and then the question is what Israel? I'll get I'll get kind of get into that in a second. Now in kind of normative Protestant teaching and Steve you could chime in at any any time there is a spectrum all between dispensationalism or cessationism all the way something from called remnant theology. I'm not even going to get into that. But the the most important thing in the question that we must ask is that do we believe that the land rights given to Israel seven times throughout Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy and repeated in Joshua are completely null and void. And the second part, which is important for those people that believe in replacement theology, do you believe that when it end times prophecy, when it says Israel, the physical place of Israel, that that has any connection to the actual physical place today? Now, you say, where should your loyalty lie? Where I disagree with some pastors is where they say we must defend everything that the Israeli government does. You should not defend everything that the Israeli government does. Period. You You are You are loyal to one thing only. You are loyal to Jesus Christ. And that is it. That is your standard. Now, with that being said, I some of my greatest experiences have been in the nation of Israel. Some of my greatest travels have been in Israel. I saw where Jesus walked on water, where he was raised from the dead. I saw where he talked on the mount of the biatitudes. If you've never been to Israel, it will change your life. There is unmistakable spiritual energy in the state of Israel when you visit there. Unmistakable. from the via delarosa from the suffering servant of Christ to see where Jesus Christ died where he was crucified. It's just it's amazing, right? The what I think is happening though is that sometimes there's a theological argument and a geopolitical argument. the the theological one I'll let Steve kind of chime in on what his the position of his church is I think should be very very simple which is that the error I think replacement theology makes is can be found in Romans 9:10 or 11 where in Romans 11 Paul basically says we are grafted in to the old covenant that we are an extension to the Jewish people on top of us that he says no even though the old covenant is way do not cast away the people of Israel but instead we are a covenant on top top of now there is an equally as confusing verse in Hebrews 10 that sometimes gets used by replacement theology I don't want to get into that but it's somewhat taken out of context but but the the one other asp I I got a lot of thoughts on this the other aspect that I think is very concerning is that as this debate has come up and your question was beautiful and wonderful some people have used this debate as an excuse to pedal their Jew hate and there is a disturbing rise online by some people of people that want to blame the Jews for why they have no money in their bank account and why their car ran out of gas and why they can't make good decisions. Everybody, if you are blaming the Jews for your decisions, you are on a bad self-destructive cycle and you should stop immediately and repent. That is evil and that is dark and that is wrong. You should not do that. But there's a lot of things the Israeli government does that I don't like. I can name them. The Israeli government has really bad abortion policies. The Israeli government has gay pride parades in downtown Tel Aviv. The Israeli government pushed the vaccine on all their people and basically turned Israel into a petri dish for a vaccine that none of us supported. I don't like the fact that the Israeli government mistakenly or unmistakably bombed the church the last couple weeks ago. We shouldn't support that. With all that being said though, Israel looks like a much better country when contrasted with what I said earlier with Islamic totalitarianism around it. They're not a perfect country. They're not a country that honestly we should even talk as much as we do. But we as Christians should pray for the peace of Jerusalem. That is unmistakable. We as Christians should reject Jew hate and we as Christians should find unity in one thing that we can all agree on. We should seek to bring every Jewish person on the planet to Jesus Christ because Jesus is the answer. Steve, you want to? Well, you know, there's so much stuff online and I would encourage and I encourage our church not to listen to it. a lot of that stuff. It just it just creates confusion and that I personally understand when I read the Bible, God created the Jews. It was a people he created that didn't exist and he made them and it was the Abraham covenant and he created them to be his people. Now, they have rejected Jesus. We know that. Not all of them, but the the the country, the the the whole of the Jewish community, most of them have rejected Jesus as the Messiah, even though he was Jewish. And now it's the church age. We get that. But man, we should pray for peace in Israel. We should pray because he who blesses Israel be blessed. He who blesses and and and so we want to stand with them over any Islamic thing. And just because we have the New Testament doesn't make the Old Testament null and void. Now we Jesus fulfilled all those uh the the the rituals and those things and he fulfilled them but we don't do away with it. Now we understand the Bible. It's not always God talking and a lot of it is our history and the covenant that God gave is still our God and he created uh you know this this nation. He created people and he wants them to serve him but now we have a better covenant and that's through Jesus Christ because now God lives in us not in a temple. Yeah. And but to go ahead. No, go ahead. And just just a couple thoughts in closing. There are a lot of verses I want you to think about which it talks about I will bring you from scattered nations and bring you into a great nation which very well I believe I have a hard time not believing that is a fulfillment of prophecy when the nation of Israel was created and this is a very important thing it says to bless Israel. Who here wants to bless their kids? Raise your hand. Do you bless your kids by approving of everything your kids do? Do you bless your kids by saying your kids are always perfect? Do you even bless your kids by saying that you're on the No. So blessing does not mean approval. Blessing does not mean co-signing on behavior. Blessing means you want what is best and you want what is best and we should all want peace in Jerusalem as it says repeatedly in the scriptures. God bless you. Thank you. Hope that helps you. Good evening. My name is Alejandro. Uh my question is from a Christian perspective if Jesus Christ Lord will be the president of the US tomorrow what do you think will be his perspective of migration at the moment? Oh. Um, first of all, I don't think Jesus would ever have to be president or would want to be president. But I mean, look, Jesus is 100% truth and 100% grace. And by the way, Jesus is God and God gave us the law. And so, again, I'm speculating on what Christ our Lord would do. But Christ our Lord would say, "Follow the laws." As he followed the laws and the customs of the Roman Empire when render under Caesar, what was Caesar? So, he would say, "What what do the laws of America say?" And he would say, "Do so compassionately. Do so lovingly. And if you came here illegally or you broke the law, then what does the law say you do? You'll be deported back to your country of origin." Yeah. So, Charlie, let's say this. I We're not against immigration. We're just against what's happening today with immigration. We're not I'm not against anybody. My my family came over here at one point and and and so we we but you have to become an American. That's that's that's the key. We we we're a nation of laws. You if you're going to come to this country, then you have to denounce your country and make America your country. So, we're not against immigration, sir. I just think I just think we we understand that when you come to America, my dad fought for this country. He died for this country. And and so he he didn't die for people to come in here and and and can care less about this country. He fought for the Constitution, United States. So, anybody that wants to come over here the right way and make this their country, we're we're all for that, aren't we? I mean, that's that's as long as you're willing to assimilate, right? And so, and you have to come here the right way. Look, and so yeah, I mean, look, I'm speculating at what Christ our Lord would do as president of the United States. All I can say is what the Bible teaches. And the Bible is very clear when it comes to immigration, which is tall walls, doors with certain standards, assimilate, and if not, you will be removed from that nation. So, that's that's all I can do. Anything otherwise would be speaking. I do believe the Lord would would say the same thing. I I don't I don't I don't speak for him, but I do believe the Lord would would say, "You honor uh the the law of the land. You honor the scriptures." And even in in Israel, they didn't get to come in until they assimilated and became a Jew. And so, what what's wrong with people? We wanting people to come in here and be an American. So, I hope that helps you. Thank you very much. Hi, my name is Michaela. This is my third time speaking to you. Um, I've been homeschooled since last year due to the public schools being more liberal. Um, and when people ask me what school I go to, I let them know that I'm homeschooled and they always give me a bad look. And I just wanted to ask you, what do you say to those that are against homeschooling? Well, they they can apply for a job from you in 10 years from now. So, That's awesome. You're going to be more polite, smarter, wiser, happier, more direction, more purpose, less corrupted, more understanding, more battle ready, better prepared, less confused, more biblical, more grounded, more Christlike. If you are home, homeschool your kids if you can. If you can homeschool your kids, if if they're scorning you or they're saying bad things to you, blessed are you who are persecuted in my name. It says James 15. So, I'm a big fan of homeschooling. By the way, it used to be, oh, the kid homeschool kids were quote unquote weird. No, no, no. The homesooled kids are wise. The home homeschool kids, they're going to be the ones that are going to be running society. My money's on the homesooled kids more so than anybody else. God bless you. Stay strong. Thank you. Hello, my name is Sonia and this is my third time with you um um asking a question, but it's really in line with um homeschool and it's what can we do as a church to support parents when you know the um Department of Education hopefully they'll be able to give funds to parents, but this state is awful when it comes to um educating our students. So what can we do if parents get the funds? How can the church support the parents? And is there like an alliance, a parent teacher alliance separate from the um teachers unions now that can be formed to help those parents teach um you know teach them or Yeah. I mean so we at our organization we have Turning Point Education at Turning Point USA and we create alliances of homeschool parents all across the country. This state does not have high enough homeschool rates. I wish it was higher. The homeschool rates are actually mostly in the southeastern part of the state near Roswell. That's where homeschooling is a lot more popular. In this part of the the state, it's not as high as it should be. We're homeschooling our kids for a lot of different reasons, but also honestly, I don't want to deal with not just the LGBT. I don't want to deal with the vaccine mandates. I don't want to deal with any of that stuff. And I want my kids to learn the Bible correctly, US history correctly, civics, philosophy. And for anyone that thinks homeschooling is like a cutting of corners, it's harder than government-run schools. Have you seen some of this homeschool curriculum? It is robust. It is difficult. And I also just want to offer a little bit of compassion. There's a lot of people in this audience that might be like, "Well, I can't afford to homeschool my kids." I get that. And that's a problem. Meaning, it's not a problem for you. It's a problem for our society. We should make it where the the husband or the bread winner, which should be the husband, um, in a typical biblical context, unless there's an absolute extreme circumstance, most times it works biologically and theologically better for the husband to be the bread winner where he can make enough money so the mom can stay home and homeschool the kids if they choose. It is a broken country where both and it's not your fault. You are you are you are participating in a broken economy where both of you have to go to work and you have to hand your kid off to the government masters. That's broken and that's wrong and we should try to fix it. You know, and Sonia, we uh we host the homeschool convention every year. We host it and their graduation we host it and so we support them as well. And even though we have our own Christian school and I I believe it's a whole lot better than the public school, uh we do support uh the homeschoolers. Thank you. So I you you're wearing a Packers shirt, right? I hate the Packers with all my heart. So who's your team? I'm a Chicago Bear. I'm from Chicago. Can some No. Can somebody explain to me I I I mean this I I meant to ask this. I'm so excited to ask this. So the NFL did a survey of the most popular team by state and like it was what you would expect except the Steelers are the most popular in New Mexico. Really? What? Why? Where does that come from? No. Like, why do Steve, why is that? I'm a Cowboy fan, so I'm [Applause] It's terrible. Anyway, you seem like a sweet person, and I will try not to hold that grotesque symbol against you. Well, okay. Now, ask a question after that. Yeah, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay. My name's Ally. I am a sophomore in high school. I want to become a teacher in early childhood. But many programs include courses designed to train future teachers in gender affirming practices and inclusivity which which conflicts with my beliefs. How I can how can I mostly most out of my sorry get the most out of our education knowing that's coming. So So you're still in high school, right? Yes. Okay. So, so getting through high school is important when So, if you want to become a teacher, which is awesome. We need more teachers and better teachers. God bless you for that. And if you want to become a teacher, I would I would recommend going to a school that doesn't push that down your throat. I don't know if that's honestly, it's probably not going to be a college here in this state, but look, this state is still really, really bad on abortion and really, really bad on the trans stuff. I think we're going to win on the trans stuff across the country eventually. It is child abuse to cut off the breasts of a young girl under the age of 18. Period. End of story. It is child abuse. And this state needs to rally to say three basic things. No men and female sports, no chemical castration of our kids, and no more late term abortion. Those are three very basic things we could all agree on. Period. And I would just finish um which is I would just finish really quick. Just be a lifelong learner. You will and then go work in a private school that shares your values. Thank you. Uh my name is Joshua James. I'm actually running for governor of New Mexico. you know, our our our constitution along with every constitution in this country has origins to uh remedy and recourse to give us the ability to hold our elected officials accountable. Uh so my question is how do we get back to the origins of our state constitution in order to give we the people the remedy and recourse to hold our elected officials accountable for treason, evasion, violations of our rights, theft, fraud, RICO, etc. Steve. Well, I think we get better people running like yourself if you want to run and and then we we can change that. We we can't change it in this current atmosphere. The Democrats have ruled this state for about a hundred years. And our governor is probably the worst governor I've ever seen in my life. And um and and so we have to stick together. We have to stand up and be willing to fight. You know, when COVID came, so many people left this church because they agreed with the governor. They agreed with the lies and deception over the word of God. And I truly believe we got to come back to the word of God and be willing to fight. The problem with, and I must say this because I know there's some in here, the problem with the Republican party is we don't fight enough. We don't stand up and fight and let our voice be heard regardless of what's popular. And I think we should go up there and fight, fight, fight. The only way to get our state back is to fight. To get some uh to to get some common sense back is to fight. And so many guys want to go up there and I want to work with the other side of the aisle. I want a governor that will go and say I could care less what the other side says. And and if you don't pass my agenda, I'm going to get get everybody out of a job. I'm going to not do the budget. I'm going to put everybody out of a job until you come along and stand with what's right. But we don't have the guts to do that. and and so if you have the gut to do that, we can change this state one person at a time, one leader at a time, we can change it. Thank you. Nice question. Thank you. So this is a question from a Jenzer in Clovis. He says, "Given the current state of the economy, rising housing costs, inflation, and wages. Do you think we will ever realistically be able to afford a home or a lifestyle that our parents and grandparents could achieve before us?" It's a huge problem. This is one of the reasons why I think President Trump is doing the right thing for mass deportation, securing the border. Look, we got to get interest rates down. But more than that, I just want to I want to try to riff on this for a second. I recently had a dialogue with somebody who I respect, and I'm not going to say his name, but he's you would you would know it. Very successful guy. And he made an argument, and he said, "Look, the next generation, it's better for them to rent than own. And look at all the space that you have in a home. And it's really there's a lot of vacant space you don't use. Like when's the last time you went to the dinner table, the dining room, and you don't need all that space and you can have a much more efficient rental unit. And everything he says is right. It's more efficient to rent. But something about me feels like it's against the American way to not have this is my piece of property. The government can't take it. A landlord can't evict me. and I will defend it with my guns if necessary. This is my home. Some and outside of the economics of it. I agree. I agree. I get it. Like because there there's some people like, "Oh, well, your bed can come from the ceiling and your kitchen can come out of the wall and your toilet." Okay, fine. But time out, guys. Like, what are we really what are we pointing towards? I think there's actually something about having a dining room you only use for Thanksgiving. Even if you use it one time a year, maybe it's like a sacred room you don't use all the time. Maybe it's a backyard that your greatest memories are shared. And when you're renting, you're making somebody else rich. I'm not criticizing anyone that's renting here at all. I'm just simply making a moral argument. In fact, we need to create a society of owners. Increasingly, the first-time home buyer in America used to be 30 years old a couple years ago. Now, it's 38 years old. M the average home first-time home payment used to be three and a half times annual income. Now it's eight times annual income. And we're being told, well, just get rid of the ownership attachment. Go and rent. It's better for you financially. Some of these people are saying, well, when you have to own, you have property taxes and you have maintenance and you have all these other costs associated. I know, but it's better. It's better for you to have something to be able to hand down to your kids. It's better have a home where you could grow old. It's also better to have a place where someone's not going to jack up the rent on you. It's better for you to be able to make modifications and adjustments and improve the value. America was na made great not because we leased out a corner of a condo to some moneyhungry landlord. America was great because we bought land and we held it and we made that land better and we handed it down to our kids. So I wholeheartedly reject the push towards you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. I want all of you to own something and to multiply generously. So to to your question and I just want I just needed to say that because it was it really made a mark on me that conversation to the point is we need to build more homes. We need to make it easier to own homes. We also need to make a recognition that if you are here this is a very young audience by the way. I'm seeing every very very young and not not necessarily like under 25 but also like an under 40 audience here. I see young families, young people. Really a core of our audience is young families. And it's harder than ever to get your share of the American dream. Harder than ever for you to be able to own the home. By the way, your real estate values here in the state are some of the lowest in the country and it's still hard for you guys to get your share of the American dream. And so what can we do about it? We need to have a national project where we build 10 million homes and we say to the next generation, "We messed up. We should We lock down America. We shouldn't have done that. We put masks on you. We shouldn't have done that. We forced a vaccine, which really wasn't a vaccine. It was an mRNA gene altering shot nine times on you. We shouldn't have done that." Amen. And as a way that we are sorry, we're going to make it so easy. The same way that we had the VA home loan, we should have the Gen Z home loan in the way that as long as you're not committing crimes and you're abley employed and you're doing the right stuff, you're not just sitting around. We're going to make it so that you can have an easy entrance into the owner's market. We owe it to our young people to make it easier to own homes, not harder. Cuz I do not want to live in a dystopian future where an entire generation rents stuff. You know why? When you rent stuff, you don't take you don't take it as seriously. When was the last time you washed a rental car? You don't. Owning makes you a better person. Who here remembers owning your first piece of property and you were able to you felt good about yourself, didn't you? Right, Steve? Absolutely. You're like, "This is mine and I own it." It was It was a When I first owned something, it was such a psychological shift from renting to owning. I want that for every young person in America. We should fight for it. and demand it out of our political leaders. I believe President Trump will deliver that. I believe he will. Hi guys, my name is Joey. Uh I spoke to you last year when you were here, Charlie. I talked to you about two tin uh twin teenage girls whose parents were letting them transition complete with surgery and everything like that. What's the update on? Uh I've not they cut me off after the election and in the process the lady that I was dating uh decided that she was a lesbian and uh I lost her as well. Hey, you dodged a big bullet there, my friend. I understand. For the record, I have a Christian woman that I'm with right now. She was baptized in church today here. Yes. Here's a good rule for life men. Do not date lesbian women. Do not do it. So my question is um lately I'm a rec I'm recognizable in the hardcore punk rock scene or used to be. I'm retired now and I've had a lot of uh homosexuals, transgenders, skin heads and punk rockers reaching out to me cuz I'm like the Jesus guy. Uh I'm feeling a lot of pressure. I'm feeling a lot I feel nervous. But I've also had a lot of success in that. So my question is for both of you. How do I minister to a subculture besides the obvious by setting a good example? I Steve, you're welcome to chime in, but I I have some thoughts. Go ahead. Okay. So, I would say you don't compromise on the truth. And this is going to be the hardest thing for you, man. So, when you're sitting down at lunch with a homosexual or a transgender person, your flesh, and it happens to all of us, will whisper, "Oh, just tell them it's okay." Now, you can be very careful in your language. You can love them, but loving is not approval, right? And you could be like, "Hey, let me just tell you what I believe. I believe God has a perfect standard. And by the way, we're both sinners. And you can even confide some of the sins that you wrestle with. And I don't know what they are, right? But every we all have sins that we wrestle with. The sins of pride, the sins of, you know, you don't have self-control, whatever. It could be pornography. It could be fornication. Whatever it is, we all have those. So, it's not you being preachy to the homosexual. It's not you being preachy to the transgender person. But let me tell you that in what I believe, Jesus Christ wants what's best for us, and he wants to lift us out of it. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, you drop the homosexuality tomorrow, but I will say as this as as a as a side note, what what might blow their mind is that if you tell them, hey, what if I told you your identity is above your sexual behavior? What if I told you your identity is actually not what you do in a bedroom, your identity is much more important than that. We made a mistake when we started identifying people based on the decisions they make privately in a bedroom. By the way, sinful decisions, but that's not your identity. It's your action. and you could stop doing that action. And the final thing you need to say is this is look, Jesus transformed me. And I want you to and you say, "Hey, if you're at all curious, read the book of John." John is the best book for beginner baby Christians. It is the whole gospel is in John. The whole thing, the seven I am statements, right? The most popular verse ever. For God so loved the world that he gave one begotten son that whoever believe in him shall not per believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life. The whole gospel is there. And so that that's what I I I would definitely give um that and just pre go preach a hot gospel. And then finally, do not forsake the power of prayer. Pray for them privately. Pray for them publicly. And pray for them while they are there with you. Lay hands on them. God, that's great. Yeah. We got a question from Pastor Steve. I I think that was great. Okay. Online question from Adri. She says, "How can we combat the drug crisis in Albuquerque? My view on drugs is that we must have far less compassion for drug dealers and lock them up for long long long periods of time. Drug users, we should have compassion, but that does not mean they could do it out in the open. And that does not mean we will ever give them a needle to allow them to continue their addiction. Period. Compassion is treatment and treatment is a tapering off of the addiction you're on. the the brainiacs in Santa Fe, I'm sure, are doing, you know, subsidized tapering. Here's a little, you know, here's some drugs. Here's some Narcan. That is wrong. And finally, look, I think that we need to have I think you guys need more police on your streets. And it's it's the little things. If you put up with a broken window, you're going to put up with a drug dealer on the side of your street. Clean up your streets. No more homeless. You put you crack down on carjackings. You would be shocked at the connective tissue. How many people are carjacking in cars are also connected to the drug trade. You have no tolerance for the small crime. You'll have n