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Charlie Kirk Interviews Former Muslim Ridvan Aydemir on Why Islam is Incompatible with Western Civilization
Charlie Kirk sits down with Ridvan Aydemir, known as the Apostate Prophet, a former Muslim turned Christian who escaped Islam after discovering disturbing truths about Muhammad and the Quran. Ridan grew up in Germany in a strict Turkish Muslim household, became an atheist after reading the Quran for himself, and eventually found Christianity through studying the historical evidence for Christ. In this powerful conversation, Ridan exposes the incompatibility of Islam with Western values, reveals what the Quran actually teaches about violence and women, and warns that Islamic expansion in America and Europe is by design, not accident. He faces death threats daily for speaking the truth about Islam.
Ridvan Aydemir, who runs the YouTube channel Apostate Prophet, shares his journey from being raised in a strict Sunni Muslim household in Germany to becoming a Christian. Born to Turkish immigrant parents, Ridan grew up in a home where music was forbidden and he was taught from a young age not to trust Christians or Jews. He recalls attending a religious gathering as a child where he heard that Muslims would one day fight and kill Jews, and that even rocks and trees would call out to help Muslims find Jews hiding behind them.
Growing up in Germany created a unique tension for Ridan. At school, he encountered beautiful aspects of Christian and Western culture, while at home he was taught that non-Muslims could not be trusted. This contradiction planted seeds of doubt that would eventually lead him away from Islam.
Reading the Quran Led to Leaving Islam
As a late teenager, Ridan became very dedicated to his Muslim faith and started reading the Quran seriously for the first time. This decision changed everything. Muslims are taught that the Quran is the best book ever written and that nobody can write anything better. However, when Ridan actually read it, he found it confusing, disorganized, and problematic.
The Quran contains 114 suras (chapters) that are not arranged chronologically but rather by length, with the longest chapters first. This makes the text jump around without clear narrative flow. Ridan describes reading the Quran as difficult and even stupid, contrasting it with the Bible, which he finds coherent and moving.
The more Ridan studied Islam's foundational texts, including the hadiths (traditions attributed to Muhammad), the more disturbed he became by what he discovered about the religion's founder and its teachings.
Ten Years as an Unhappy Atheist
After leaving Islam, Ridan became an atheist for approximately ten years. During this time, he tried to convince himself and others that he was happy and free from religious fairy tales. But internally, he struggled deeply with meaning and purpose.
Ridan describes wrestling with nihilism and the inherent contradiction of trying to find meaning in meaninglessness. He attempted to embrace the absurdity of life without purpose, but found it extremely difficult and ultimately unsustainable. Throughout this decade, he maintained respect for religion, particularly Christianity, even while identifying as an atheist.
Discovering the Historical Evidence for Christianity
What eventually led Ridan toward Christianity was discovering that everything he had been told about the New Testament being unreliable was false. As a skeptic and atheist, he had been taught that Christianity relied on accounts written long after Jesus by people who never witnessed anything firsthand.
When Ridan actually investigated the historical evidence, he was shocked to discover this was completely wrong. He learned that Luke was a first-class historian commissioned to research and document the life of Jesus. He discovered that Paul met directly with Jesus' disciples and apostles, spending extensive time with those who had personally witnessed Christ's miracles and teachings.
The historical verification of Christianity impressed Ridan as someone who valued evidence and reason. He felt betrayed that for ten years as a skeptic, he had been lied to about the robust historical foundation of the Christian faith.
Finding Peace in Orthodox Christianity
Ridan's wife moved toward Christianity before he did. One day she asked him to read a passage from Romans about how Paul could do nothing of his own and it was all God. Though initially resistant, Ridan became fascinated and ended up reading all of Romans, then investigating how Paul came to his conclusions.
What moved Ridan toward Christianity was both intellectual and emotional. He explored Judaism and had great respect for it, but something felt incomplete when he tried Jewish prayers. When he prayed as a Christian for the first time, he felt something return that had died within him decades ago.
Ridan joined the Eastern Orthodox Church, attracted to its humble theological approach. Orthodox theology focuses more on what God is not rather than claiming to define precisely what God is. This mystery and humility appealed to Ridan, contrasting with what he saw as Western theology's tendency to describe God's attributes with excessive precision.
Muhammad: Warlord, Pedophile, and Islam's Perfect Example
In Islam, Muhammad is considered the greatest man who ever lived and the perfect moral example for all mankind for all times. This presents massive problems when examining his actual biography.
Muhammad was a warlord responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. He married Aisha when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine, while he was in his fifties. This was not simply a product of different times—Muhammad is supposed to be the perfect example for all people in all eras, including today.
When Islamic clerics defend this, they argue that times were different, that Aisha transmitted important religious knowledge (suggesting this somehow justified the relationship), or that girls are ready for marriage when they show signs of physical development. Some reformist Muslims try to claim she was older, perhaps eight or ten, as if this makes a meaningful difference.
Muhammad also kept multiple wives and sex slaves. According to Islamic tradition, he traveled to heaven on an animal and saw that the majority of hell's inhabitants were women, whom he told needed to be more obedient and grateful.
What the Quran Actually Teaches
The Quran is considered the literal word-for-word dictation of Allah, delivered through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad, who recited it to his followers. After Muhammad's death, his companions compiled these recitations into the book Muslims have today.
Ridan explains that Surah 4, ironically titled "Women," contains some of the most disturbing teachings. Verse 24 directly allows sex slavery, stating Muslims may have sex with those they are married to and with those they possess through war. Verse 34 declares that men are superior to women, that wives must obey their husbands, and that if a husband fears arrogance from his wife, he should admonish her, separate from her in bed, and if necessary, beat her.
According to Aisha herself, Muhammad's child bride, Muslim women suffered more than any other women. She described a woman coming to complain about her husband's beatings, her skin greener than her green clothes from bruising, yet Muhammad essentially justified the beating.
Surah 9, verse 29 commands Muslims to fight Jews, Christians, and others until they are humiliated and pay the jizya (protection money). The options are convert to Islam, pay the tax in humiliation, or face death.
Islam's Expansion by the Sword
One of the fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam is how they spread. Christianity began with Jesus taking on flesh, becoming the lowest among humanity, and inviting people to follow Him. His followers spread the faith through preaching while being persecuted, often losing their lives for centuries before Christianity became widespread.
Islam began very differently. Muhammad started his Islamic state in Medina and immediately began raiding and attacking others. After his death, his successors continued this pattern, spreading Islam through violent conquest. Most Muslim territories today are the result of military campaigns, not peaceful conversion.
The medieval Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun wrote in his work Muqaddimah that the great difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is that Islam alone has a truly universal mission. The leader of Islam, the caliph, is supposed to be simultaneously the religious leader, military leader, and state leader, with the duty to spread Islam by will or by force.
No Separation of Mosque and State
In Islam, it is considered haram (forbidden) to establish laws separate from what Allah has established. Secularism itself is not allowed in Islamic theology. Muslims have a religious duty to establish Islam as the governing force wherever they are, or to leave.
This makes Islam fundamentally incompatible with Western concepts of religious freedom and separation of church and state. Islam is not merely a religion—it is a comprehensive political, legal, and social system that demands total implementation.
Taqiya and Deception
While sometimes misrepresented, there is truth to the claim that Islam permits lying in certain circumstances. Taqiya specifically allows Muslims to conceal their faith when revealing it would cause them trouble or danger.
However, the permission to deceive goes beyond taqiya. The Quran authorizes Muslims to speak in whatever way benefits Islam and Muslims. Muhammad permitted Muslims to deceive the enemies of Islam, and enemies of Islam are defined as anyone who is not Muslim.
Islam's Deliberate Expansion in the West
Ridan confirms that the Muslim world is thrilled about Islam's growth in the West. As a child in Germany, he repeatedly heard that it was wonderful that Muslims were taking over and their numbers were growing. He hears the same message today.
In the UK, Canada, and Australia, Muslim preachers openly say their vision is to take over Western nations through growing numbers and increasing political involvement. While America has not reached that stage yet, Ridan warns that quick action is needed to prevent it.
Muslim communities in Michigan, Minnesota, Texas, and elsewhere openly speak about spreading Islam and growing their influence. They frame it as peaceful, but Ridan warns that once enough power is concentrated in hands that want to establish Islam as the governing force, it will be extremely difficult to take back control.
Why Islam is Incompatible with Western Civilization
When asked directly if Islam is compatible with Western civilization, Ridan says absolutely not. Western civilization was formed and shaped by Christianity and classical philosophy. Islam is fundamentally anti-Christian, ordering the subjugation, destruction, and eventual elimination of Christianity.
Islam is also anti-freedom. In Turkey, despite being a secular NATO member, Ridan faces multiple lawsuits from the government for saying things like "the Quran is a book of ignorance." He cannot safely return to Turkey because there is no freedom of speech regarding Islam.
The freedoms Americans cherish—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of conscience—are incompatible with Islamic law. If given power, Islam will use those freedoms to abolish the very freedoms that allowed it to grow.
What Should the Western Response Be?
Ridan offers several recommendations for how the West should address Islam. First, realize what you are dealing with. Understand that Islam is not simply a religion but a comprehensive political and legal system incompatible with Western values.
Second, acknowledge this incompatibility directly and make policies accordingly. Do not allow Muslims to take advantage of well-meaning attitudes and liberal immigration policies to spread political Islam.
Third, if you see Islam spreading and political Islam taking root, remove it through policy before it is too late. The freedoms established in the West were meant for people who share those values and can sustain them together, not for anti-freedom groups that want to abolish those freedoms and oppress others.
While this may be controversial, Ridan argues that allowing every anti-freedom ideology to exploit Western freedoms in order to destroy those freedoms is suicidal for Western civilization.
The Personal Cost of Speaking Truth
As an apostate from Islam who speaks publicly about its teachings, Ridan receives numerous death threats. Muslims tell him they will behead him and rape his family. This, he notes with dark irony, is the "religion of peace."
Under Islamic law, the penalty for apostasy is death. Ridan is considered especially dangerous because he studied Arabic and knows the original Islamic texts well. Muslims cannot dismiss his criticisms by claiming mistranslation or lack of context.
Despite the threats and danger, Ridan continues speaking out because he believes Islam is the biggest threat to free societies. While many focus on various political entities trying to subvert the West, he sees Islam as the greatest subversive force because once it gains sufficient power, it will not allow that power to be taken back.
A Call to Address the Most Important Issue
Ridan's final message is that ignorance among non-Muslims is the most disturbing aspect of Islam's growth. While many people speak about various topics online, he believes the biggest threat to Western societies and free nations is Islam, and people need to be talking about it seriously.
He emphasizes that this should be just the beginning of the conversation. Western societies must start speaking up more about this issue because it is absolutely central to preserving freedom and Western civilization.
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[Music] Sorry to keep you guys waiting. Complicated business. Um so we're going
to have a fun members conversation here. Uh I have not stopped since when Mikey 7:30, right?
I don't think I ate anything all day. So I'm going to do some active listening. This is one of the most important topics
close to my heart. Um, what is your last name? Idmir. Ridan Idmir. Yeah. Who is a former
Muslim? He runs a channel called the Apostate Prophet. And you are very outspoken
about Islam. Yeah. So, welcome. Thank you. And why don't you take a moment just introduce yourself to our audience?
Sure. Uh, thank you so much. Uh, so I'm Riven, apostate prophet. Um, that's the
channel that I started. Um, I'm a former Muslim, was born in Germany of, uh,
Turkish, very religious Muslim parents, uh, now live here in America, was an
atheist for like 10 years or so, and have recently become a Christian. So,
praise the Lord. So, there's so many directions to go here. Why did you leave Islam?
That's a very long story. I I've had a long day so take as much time as you'd like.
So uh where should I start? I mean um as said so I was I was part of a family
that was always very religious uh that was Sunni Muslim very popular form of of
Islam. Um they raised me under semi strict circumstances uh which are very
weird from an American perspective such as um at home we weren't allowed to listen to music for example. Can you
imagine that? Um it's uh we were raised with the idea this is the funny thing I have to bring
up this aspect actually before going into it to give you a better understanding. Um I was a child of
immigrants from Turkey to Germany. So we lived in Germany a Christian nation or
um you could call some aspects of it post-Christian but pretty much more secular. Yeah. Yeah. But still still pretty
Christian. I mean I was raised on the on the Christian circumstances at school while being uh having Islam you know
completely built into my mind at home. So you were raised by Muslims. Yes. Yes. And while I am there in that
Christian country, I would go to school as a as a little child and uh encounter
all these wonderful, nice, beautiful people and admire the German culture, admire the western culture, admire
Christianity. But at home, from my own family and their surroundings, I would learn from a very young age that uh you
cannot trust non-Muslims, you cannot trust Christians, you cannot trust Jews is a whole whole different
topic. We It's more than not trusting Jews. Yes. Yes. Um to give you a very simple
example, um it was I think I was in first or second grade. It's it's very very difficult to remember nowadays, but
um there was a a weekend where my uh family took me and my siblings to a
religious gathering that they would usually go to. And during that religious gathering, I heard that um that in the
possible near future, we Muslims will fight the Jews and we will kill
them. And even the rocks and trees will say to us, uh, "Oh, Muslim, there is a
Jew behind me. Come and kill him." Except for one tree called the carot tree, which is a tree of the Jews. So,
um, this is what I heard. I also heard then that uh the Christians would also be among our enemies but with them it
would be a little bit more complicated because uh Jesus there I know it's like the third holiest or second holiest right
yeah and there is an esqueological belief in Islam that Jesus comes in the end times is that right yeah exactly
I wanted to get into that but it's a very corrupt uh form of so it's but Islam does have a reverence for
Jesus well uh they don't believe he was God but they
believe he was the Messiah is that correct yes but they also don't really know what the Messiah is. So what they do believe
is that um Jesus who is in Islam called Issa um with a kind of corruption of his
name was actually just a prophet of Allah and he came here he was Muslim.
Yeah. He he was a Muslim and he came here to deliver the the Muslim message and to ask people to submit to Islam.
That's all he was. He was also the Yeah. That's a bunch of crap. It is obviously. And um I mean if you go
if you go with the Christian narrative right if you accept uh that Jesus came and he was actually truthful you can't
have another message after him correct you can't have another religion after him and Islam comes and acts as if uh
Jesus was simply a messenger but his entire message was all corrupted by his
followers the Christians who became hypocrites and evil and the actual true
message is that of Islam. And according to Islam, Jesus will come back and what
he will do according to Muhammad is he will come back and he will uh break the cross and kill the pigs and um and then
will reign as a Muslim ruler over the over the people according to some um
interpretations that is meant to be. So when he breaks the cross and kills the big the pigs and abolishes a protection
money imposed on non-Muslims, it means that um he will come to the Christians and tell them what the real religion
actually is. Is that sakat the tax or something? Right. Yeah. Uh it's it's the Jiza.
Oh, that's right. Okay. It has a very questionable name, but I was going to say but so so I have so many questions here.
So you leave Islam. Yeah. because it was just didn't ring to
me true. So I became uh very religious at some
point in my life uh when I was a um late teenager uh became very dedicated and
started reading the Quran. When I read the Quran um the problem started arising
because believe it or not Muslims will tell you that it is the best book ever written and that nobody can write a better book
than the Quran. Um, but if you read it, my my friend uh David Wood with whom I
uh stream a lot, he Thank you. People love David Wood. Uh you should have him,
too. You should invite him at some point. But um he's fantastic. He likes to quote uh somebody who says that
reading the Quran is like penance. You know, I don't feel that way with the Bible, though.
No. So, let's let's just start. I want to get to why you left Islam, but so the Quran is separated in Saras. Is that
right? Yeah. suras and chapters, but it's not chronological. It's the longest first. Is that correct?
Correct. And it kind of jumps. Is there 64 of them? Is that right? Or
they're actually 114. Oh, wow. I'm way off. Okay. And so the
part of it is normative Christian theology, but it's all counterfeit. Is that right?
You are partly right there. It has some Christian aspects, but that's also um so
it very it very much started out as a uh a a pagan religion in Arabia that
attempted to turn it into a monotheistic religion because Muhammad um really was
impressed by the Jews and Christians that he encountered. So was the was what is considered Islam
predate Muhammad and he just adopted it as a warlord? Uh according to some theories, yes.
according to the official narrative and the Islamic narrative which I think is is quite plausible. Uh he's the one who comes up with it. Um he is he comes from
a family of polytheistic Arab pagans. Um but he starts going against their
traditions and saying that there is only one god named Allah. So he starts this whole new religion and starts attacking
the uh the polytheists and their idols and all that. So
fast forwarding back to we're going to jump all over the place. You leave Islam just like the Quran. Exactly. That's all over the place. The Quran is like I'm reading this thing.
I'm like, by the way, don't read it unless you're ready to be super confused. I think it's kind of dark. I
mean, I could use the word demonic, but it's very stupid. Yeah, stupid. Thank you. Um, so you
leave Islam, you're an atheist. What brought you to Jesus? It was a very long process. Um but for
most of the time as an atheist um I was convinced that there is no god because I
couldn't prove it. Um but I always had respect for religion. I had respect for Christianity. I always made that very
clear. Um the thing is over the many years after I left Islam, I tried to keep up this
whole narrative, this whole charade to be very honest now that uh that that after leaving Islam and thinking for
myself and being independent and not believing in fairy tales. Um that I'm a very happy person now. The thing is uh
for all those 10 years I wasn't happy. I was I was really struggling inside. It was it was really it was really bad. And
um and and one of the big issues that I have always had it was um that
humans seek purpose in this world. We seek a purpose in life. We do everything
for a purpose. I had accepted at a certain point that um that there seems
to be no inherent purpose or meaning to life. So nihilistic at all. Yeah. And I thought, okay, I can
make peace with that idea. But I never did because it's it's incredibly well because it's actually a
contradiction. Yeah. Because finding peace and no meaning in itself is a contradiction. Yeah.
Because that would be meaning in finding no meaning. Exactly. So it's it's it's a self-defeating
statement because like I'm going to find meaning and not having meaning. Well then you just found meaning. Yeah.
So one method definitionally you can't escape it. Exactly. One one way to go against that
is to simply embrace the absurdity of it all which I was trying to do and to simply uh live with it. But it's very
difficult, you know, it's uh it is extremely difficult. And um it was
actually until I um until I looked further into the the evidence for Christianity
that I was quite surprised because um as an atheist, I often heard and I was also
under the impression that Christianity simply relies on uh different accounts
by people who uh didn't witness anything who who lived long after Jesus. It's not true. and uh who just you know
wrote things down about him without knowing it from hearsay. It it's very funny because um only when I was slowly
approaching Christianity did I find out that this is complete nonsense but so many people propagate this idiotic idea.
Oh yeah. I mean and Luke for example was a first class historian. Yeah. I mean, he was a historian of the first of the first order who wrote most
of the New Testament and he was paid Theophilos paid him to go research this
stuff and be like, "Find out who this Jesus guy is." And he wrote basically a definitive
documentary. He wrote Luke and Acts. That's all written by Luke. And he basically said, "Oh, Theophosis means
lover of God. Here's what I learned." Right? And by the way, it's completely
consistent with the other gospels. And so you eventually that led you to Jesus. Yeah, it was uh it was also about Paul.
So um at that point I was seeking religion but I was exploring other religions. I was exploring for example
Judaism which uh I still have a lot of respect for and uh you know try to figure out and understand and all that
but in the middle of that at that point I was like uh I thought okay I I like religion but I don't want to uh go into
the direction of Christianity. It's very funny. Um, one day my wife who actually went into the direction of Christianity
before me, asked me to uh to read something in Romans, just one little
section about how uh Paul says I can do nothing of my own and it is all God. So
I started reading that and it kind of originally I accepted it and decided to
read part of it because I thought come okay she's asking me I guess I'll just do it. Then I sat down and started
reading it and I was fascinated by it. So I started reading I I read the the entire thing all of Romans and then I
started looking into how Paul came to his conclusions. Yes. And suddenly it turns out that
everything I have been told about the witness accounts and about uh what Paul did and wrote is all a lie because the
historical account very clearly is that he directly met and spent so much time
with the disciples of Jesus himself. Exactly. Right. And with the apostles. He didn't do anything on his own. He did
it all together with those who were directly in the presence of Jesus, who
saw all the things that Jesus did and said, who witnessed miracles. They have
it confirmed to each other that hundreds of people witnessed the miracles that
are recorded in this book that we now call the New Testament in the Gospels.
And uh just going into that um I felt a little bit betrayed because I thought
for 10 years now I was a skeptic and I learned that oh
I'm supposed to trust only firsthand evidence absolute you know empiricist and all that and then I found out that I
have been completely lied to about all the evidence to Christianity. It is the most robust historically
verified faith period. Absolutely. It's not even everything else is a lie. Judaism is not a lie.
It's just incomplete. Okay? It's just it's just h it's just half the story. But nothing else exists like it period.
Especially from a historical text standpoint. And so for you that's so interesting. So your path to Jesus was
mostly through the mind, not through the heart. It was both. I would say if it wasn't
the heart, it wouldn't have uh been real. Yeah. And um but your reason led you towards Christ.
And that's okay. Everyone has a different path. I'm actually very uh I'm actually very happy to say that um this is very funny
because as as a skeptic, as an atheist, it was very important to me to always um give give people the impression that
everything I do is based completely on reason and logic and evidence and all that. Um however the the way I felt
about Christianity once I started reading also had a great impact and I
found peace you know um I I don't want to make a comparison now to Judaism for example but I I looked
into Judaism and I was I was I was very interested in it I had lots of admiration for it lots of love for it but I tried the the Jewish prayers for
example and something felt incomplete for me. Incomplete is the word. Yeah. And this is not a diss for you
know Judaism but um when I once I started reading um the the New Testament and I actually did my
first prayer the Christian way it it was very moving you know it it's it
it brought something back that I felt had died within me so many decades ago
and it is still there. When I first went to church um
I was I was quite overwhelmed and I have been uh Are you are you Orthodox or
Yes. Yes. Orthodox. Eastern Orthodox. It's a beautiful faith. Yes. Yes. The divine liturgy as Oh, it really is. What I love about
Orthodox actually I have an Orthodox priest. Is that the right term or uh Yeah. Yeah. You know, clergy coming on my show on
Tuesday and I'm going to ask him. It's not I mean I'm evangelical but I love and correct me if I'm wrong in Orthodox
you're very careful. You're more about clear about what God is not than what God is. And is that correct?
Precisely. Precisely. It's like very we're not gonna It drives me nuts when people say they over
ascribe definitions to God. And I think that's super prideful. So I think you start with what God isn't. And
I think that that's the baseline of Orthodox faith. Is that right? It's very a humble approach to the Lord.
That is Orthodox theology basically. Uh that also fascinated me when I when I found out about it because me too.
For the longest time. Um so I I heard a lot of um debates and discussions about uh you know whether God exists or not
and the evidence for God and so on. Um and I I know that uh those debates have
great impact on a lot of people. I myself uh felt usually um unmoved by
much of it. It didn't appeal to me. Um but when when I came to when I started
to understand orthodox theology for example, I realized uh that that I really love the mystery of it. It is um
so in in western theology there is a lot of attempts to describe precisely what God is and how God is and what God does.
And in orthodoxy it's rather we that is correct. Yeah. It's a very a very Calvinist German lawyerly way of
looking. And by the way I think he was right about a lot but John Calvin was like I'm going to figure out all the attributes of God very specific and
definitionally. And he might end up being right. We might go to heaven and he might might have crushed it. Yeah. But the problem with that is you
get really wacky theology if somebody takes that premise and they have no idea what they're talking about. For example,
Episcopalians like, "Oh, God is a woman, right? Or God is trans." You know, so that can that can go a really bad place
very quickly. You know what I'm saying? Like in the modern era, we've seen that what I think Calvin started in a pretty
good spirit grow to something pretty dark 500 years later. Yeah, you could you could argue that.
So, let's get back. So you're a Christian. Let me just kind of go through a rapid fire if that's okay. Sure.
But let's first go through Islam 101. Is it true that say they say Muhammad is
the greatest man ever to live? Yes. Was Muhammad a warlord?
Yes. How many people did he kill personally or
approximation? Uh lots. Thousands. Yeah. Yeah. How many was he responsible for? Tens of
thousands of deaths. Yeah. Okay. Is it true that he married a 9-year-old named Aisha?
No, he actually married a six-year-old. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. And and so so six-year-old. So, we got to make
sure we're very clear here. That there's no misinformation. So, that would be
pedophile. Yeah. I actually um if I can pause there for a second. No, please. And if I'm wrong, correct
me. I'm not here to I want the truth. I want our audience to have the truth. No, I I I want to um I like to as disgusting
as it is, I would like to pause there for a second because when when we talk about a six-year-old uh being married,
first off, it's not simply marrying a six-year-old. It is the prophet Muhammad, the most perfect figure for
all mankind. He is in his 50s and without any
necessity at all, he picks and marries a six-year-old little girl. And then when
she's nine years old, he then consummates the marriage in his mid50s with her. And that's his that's um his
third wife and at that point his second living wife. So he has absolutely no
need for this. He does it just because. So let me let's let's steal man this. If
a Islamic cleric was right here, what how would they defend that?
They would say a few things such as those were different times. The response to that would be okay but uh isn't he
isn't Muhammad supposed to be the perfect moral example for all mankind for all times including right now. So it
doesn't matter if it was a different time. Second uh defense would be that um
that she transmitted a lot of accounts of things that he did and did not do. So it was actually a very good uh thing for
him to marry her and be so intimate with her. Seriously, we are supposed to argue
that this was the great divine plan. So, his legacy lived on. So, that's why he raped a 9-year-old. Got it. What else
would they say? Uh they would some would say uh this is okay and there is nothing wrong with it
because as soon as a girl uh shows signs of development, she is ready to breed.
Okay. Do any of them say it's factually incorrect? If they are serious traditional uh
Muslim scholars, they will not say that. If they are kind of reformists or modernists, what would the reformers say? That it
was she was allegorically nine, they will say that they will say stupid excuses such as that um they started
counting her age only after a certain time or that um there are different accounts. She might have been 10 or
eight or you know something else. That makes a huge difference. A huge difference. So, so Muhammad, the
greatest man ever to live, the greatest example was a warlord who married a
six-year-old, raped her when she was nine, and then kept multiple wives.
Yeah. Now, to be clear, the Bible also has plenty of stories of multiple wives and
bad behavior. But this is so important. There's a difference between what the Bible describes and what the Bible
prescribes. Description of behavior in the Bible does not mean prescription of the Bible.
For example, Solomon having many wives is not prescribed to you. It actually ended really bad for him. He ended as a
madman actually. And Ecclesiastes is like one of the saddest books ever. He's like meaningless, meaningless. All of
life is meaningless. I love that book though. Isn't it beautiful? No. Meaning it's sad in the beginning and then all of a sudden he finds that meaning is God.
And and there is a season for everything. There's a season for suffering. There's a season for sorrow. There's a season for happiness. The
point being though is that people would counter just for you here. Oh, but in the Christian Bible and and the kicker
guys, we never say Solomon is the greatest man ever to live. Precisely. This is the whole important thing. They
hold Muhammad at a higher level than Christ our Lord. Yes. So I just And would you say this is one
of the strongest arguments to cross-examine Islam morally? Yeah. Okay. So let's just talk more about
Muhammad. So he do that they believe he went to heaven at some point. Is that
right? In Jerusalem. So um like on a horse or something. Yeah. It's called the night journey. So
they believe that he went uh that one night he he was uh woken up by heard of
the angel and angel Gabriel, right? Oh yeah. Angel Gabriel. They could have used a different name.
He was put on the back of a of an animal that was bigger than a uh a donkey and
smaller than a horse is what it says. And um he was then taken by that donkey to the farthest mosque as it says. And
then from there he was taken up to heaven where he saw all the prophets.
Then later on he was taken also to hell where he saw all the people. By the way what he saw in hell is very interesting.
He saw that the majority of hell dwellers were women. That's what he said to women. And he told them um this is
because you people you women are ungrateful. So you have to be more obedient to me.
Oh, that's what a convenient theology for like a Jeff think like Jeffrey Epstein with a standing army. That's
basically Muhammad, right? So, okay, I just want to make sure. So, biographically, so this guy was a
warlord. Bedawin tribes fractured. He unites these Bedawin polytheistic tribes
around polytheism. Who wrote the Quran in your
opinion? So the Islamic narrative is that um that the Quran is a word for word. This is
also by the way a huge difference between the Bible and the Quran. The Quran is considered the word for word verbatim uh dictated word of Allah the
creator. Yeah. Right. And he is supposed to have brought it through the words of uh Gabriel to
Muhammad who then recites it to the people around him who then make notes of
it. And after Muhammad dies, they decide to come together and turn all of this into one big book. That is the official
account. And many Muslims are not even aware of this. They think Muhammad himself approved of it and oversaw the writing of it.
So, and isn't that a divide between Shia and Sunni of what Muhammad said and what he didn't say? Yeah. In a way, yes.
So, what is a hadith? The hadith is um the traditions attributed to Muhammad,
things that he did and things that he said as reported by his uh followers and their successors.
So, so Muhammad creates this religion. Mhm. There are five pillars of Islam. Let me
see if I can get them right. Okay, let me see if I can get them. Uh pray five times a day. Yes. Ramadan fasting.
Yes. Haj, yes. Charity, yes. And let me try to think of the last one.
Um I'm pretty good at four though, right? That's not bad. What is the fifth?
The shahada, which is the creed where you say that um isn't that the prayer or no?
No, no, no. That's that's separate. So um Oh, you have to say the shahada to become part of the religion.
Okay. Which is I testify there is no god but Allah and his messenger. Yeah. So those five none of those are like
necessarily offensive except the Islamic one to us. So we don't have to spend too much time on that. Is that the core of
their faith? Those five things you would, so you would say that those things are the ones that uh that essentially make one a Muslim. But it
doesn't stop there. So, so then Muhammad dies, Islam grows.
Yeah. And grows and grows and grows by the sword. By the sword. This is important. So, how
did it grow? Did it grow through conversion and love or did it grow through conquest?
This is actually one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam. um which I think is a very important point to to stand on here. So
um Christianity we know starts with with Christ um God taking on flesh uh
becoming the lowest of us becoming part of us and inviting us to him. It it starts through suffering and um his
followers spread it and tell people about it. They lose their lives on this
path and over centuries it develops through simply preaching and being persecuted. Islam starts very
differently. Muhammad starts out there in Mecca then goes to Medina and starts
his Islamic state from which he then begins raiding and attacking others. And
from then on his his successors once he dies take over that exact same attitude and start
spreading Islam by attacking everyone left and right. And most of uh the
Muslim territories in today's time are a result of violent conquests.
That's right. Because there's actually um a very good quote that I love to bring up uh by
Khalun who was a middle medieval Muslim scholar very much respected and he he wrote in a work called Mukadima. He
wrote that uh the great difference between Judaism, Christianity and Islam is that Islam is the only religion that
has a truly universal mission and uh the the the leader of Islam, the caiff is
supposed to be the one who is both the religious leader and also the military leader and the state leader who has the
duty to spread the religion by will or by force. This is Islam and that's how it spreads.
Does it say in the Quran that you should take multiple wives?
It says you can take multiple wives. Okay. But not that you should, but you can. Yeah, you can. You cannot take up to uh one, two, three, four, like tomatoes.
Like is it true that it talks very poorly about women?
Yes. How so? Well, in chapter 4 verse chapter 4 is very funny. It's called in the Sarah 4 or whatever.
Yeah. Surah 4 is called uh women and some Muslims some Muslims will say look
it has a chapter called women it must be nice to women. Well look into the chapter. So in uh verse 24 of it it says
that um that Muslims uh may only have sex with those that they are married to
and with those that they possess which means with their sex slaves. So Islam
directly allows sex slavery through war and also tells Muslims that they are allowed to have sex with him as they
wish. In verse 34, it then says that uh that Muslim women are to obey their
husbands fully because he is superior. If she disobys or no, if if they fear if
a husband fears fears arrogance from a woman, he is to admonish her separate in
beds and if that doesn't help, he may beat her. And according to Muhammad's own companions, if actually according to
Muhammad's own child bride, Aisha, she said that uh she didn't see any other women who were suffering as much as the
Muslim women. One day a woman comes in and her skin is greener than the green
clothes that she's wearing. And she comes to complain about her husband, how much he's beating her. Muhammad ends up
uh basically justifying the beating and saying that lots of women women come to complain about their husbands and they
are not the best women and this is Islam's legacy. So the Quran directly allows Muslims to beat their wives and
describes them as lesser beings and you can still see this very much unfold and
manifest in Muslim. Is it true it says to convert or kill? It yes there is another option.
So chapter 9 verse 29 right? Yeah. It says just that what's the word you said? Jiza. Yeah. Yeah. It says directly there
that those who don't accept um Islam and those who don't believe in Allah
Muhammad, you are to fight them specifically Jews and Christians and others uh until they are humiliated and
pay protection money. So you are to convert them or to make them pay protection money. If they don't pay
protection money, you can kill them. That's it. What are the other objectionable teachings that you think the West should
know? Aside from are they allowed to lie in the name of Islam?
Um that's a common thing I hear. I'm sure you've heard it. That's a very complicated topic. But um
you could say yes. Although uh it is sometimes m misrepresented because there
is one aspect which is called tea. That's right. where so takia allows Muslims normally if they are in certain
circumstances where um telling people that they are not that they are Muslims would um cause trouble they are allowed
the per they're given the permission to lie about it but that's not the only aspect where they are allowed to lie so
people think takia means that they are all allowed to lie but there in general without giving it a name the Quran uh
authorizes Muslims to simply um speak half the truth basically in giving
responses and to always speak what in whatever way Islam benefits and Muslims
are allowed by Muhammad to deceive the enemies of Islam and enemies of Islam are all those that are not Muslims. So
So Islam is rapidly taking over the West. Yes. Is that by accident or by design?
You could say that um it is by design, but then we have to have a discussion
about who's the designer. Yeah. Who's the designer? What kind of design is? Well, let me put it this way.
Is the Muslim world thrilled they're taking over the West? Yes, absolutely. when I was um a child
in Germany when I was a teenager I repeatedly heard that uh it's a fantastic thing that we are taking over
that our numbers are growing and uh you could now say okay this is just something that you yourself heard but
it's not just me today I still hear the same thing in fact this is the one this is the main reason why I decided to
speak out because after I left Islam I had um horrible deception and basically you know oppression of my mind behind me
I wanted to get away from it but I look into the world and I see people saying stuff like Islam is misunderstood. It's
a religion of peace. It's not a religion of peace. It is not a pe it is not a religion that wants to coexist with you. We have today in the UK in many other
countries we have Muslims preachers openly saying that the vision of Muslims should be to take over Western nations
that the numbers should be growing there should be more uh politicians involved uh in the public in the UK in Canada in
Australia. Gladly we are we don't we are not at that stage in America but we have to act quickly un unless uh we want to
also get into those situations because um it is a duty of Muslims to establish
Islam as a governing force wherever they are or to leave. They don't want to
leave. Do they believe in separation of mosque and state? No they don't. In fact, uh in Islam, it
is actually considered haram, forbidden to uh establish laws that are separate
from whatever Allah has established. So it is considered u forbidden, not
allowed to have secularism. So the the growth of Islam in the west,
do you think that Christians and Westerners adequately understand it? No. What what And we're we're short on
time. I'm sorry. I could talk for for two hours. What keep what keeps you up at night or worries you most about this
flavor and this ascendant force of Islam? The the most important thing is the
ignorance of the non-Muslims of those that we that we have uh among us. We
have lots of people speaking. We have lots of people speaking online. We have lots of people uh speaking about all kinds of things. I think um there are
some people who like to who like us to talk about different uh political entities or different states how they are trying to subvert us and so on. I
think the biggest uh subverter of western societies or free nations is
Islam and we need to be talking about it. I think uh the most disturbing thing about all of this is that we have Muslim
communities in uh Michigan, in Minnesota, in Texas even now epic city
and elsewhere that openly speak of spreading Islam and making this and and they say of course uh we don't want to
offend anybody. We don't want to make it look like we are subverting people. We just want to peacefully spread it and grow and take over. Um but if you allow
enough power to be taken by those who want to establish Islam as governing
force, you will very very quickly lose control because they will not allow you to take it back. They will want to
impose it. Do you think Islam is compatible with Western civilization? Absolutely not. So I said that I don't know if you saw
that got 75 million views on my tweet. people thought oh I just prove my point
for me western civilization uh was formed and shaped by philosophers and by
Christianity Islam is anti-Christianity Islam orders the subjugation and the
destruction and eventual eradication and elimination of Christianity it uh orders
the destruction of secular societies we have freedom in the west something that
we value so much at this conference In America, we have freedom. We love freedom. Islam is anti-freedom.
One very little uh trivia about me. I have Turkish citizenship. I lived in Turkey for a while. Uh right now, it's
very difficult for me to get back into Turkey because despite Turkey being a secular country on part of NATO.
Yeah. I have multiple uh lawsuits against me by the Turkish government
because I dare to say things like quote the Quran is a book of ignorance for for
that they are suing me the Turkish government I can't go back there there is no freedom there is no free speech if
you give the power you will lose everything and so just really quick to
capstone that Islam being incompatible with western civilization
but they'll say there's peaceful Muslims And what what would you say is the what
should the western approach to Islam be? First off, um realize what you're
dealing with. Realize that it is not simply a religion. uh acknowledge that it is incompatible with your societies
and then begin to directly uh address it and make sure that you do not allow them
to take advantage of your um of your of your of your well-meaning
attitude and your liberal policies of immigration. For example, if you see
Islam spreading and political Islam spreading, remove it. make policies about it, get rid of it, kick it out
before it's too late. And I so here's the thing. Um this this might be a little bit controversial, but um the
freedoms that we have in the west, they were established, the values that we have in the west were established um
even America was founded by people who had in mind that these are values that
unite us. These people that I mean I find it very difficult to even include myself, but I will include myself as an
American today. So these are um the these these nations are founded in order to uh to have people like us with our
values to live together. That's why we have freedom because we cherish it. We value it. We can do it. They weren't meant to be offered to
every single anti-freedom uh group that comes in and wants to abolish it and abuse it in order to
oppress you. How do you get treated by Muslims? Um I usually get the death penalty by uh
by in Islam. Do you get a lot of death threats? Yes, lots of them. I I What do they say to you? I will behead you. I will rape your
family. I will This is the religion of peace. Yes. It's very peaceful. Well, once once they
once they kill you, it's all peaceful, you know. So Oh, yeah. So your whole to close it out,
your name is Apostate Prophet. Yes. Do you speak Arabic? I do not. I study it. Yes. Yes.
Okay. So, but you know, so you know the original text well enough. Yeah. I've studied it many years. Yeah.
So that's why you're so dangerous. Yes. and you have a big platform and you know it, you know this stuff well and
they can't argue because with with me they're like, "Oh, that's not what it really says. It's context dependent." And honestly, I kind of have a soft spot
because there's so much biblical butchery with context stuff. So, I'm like really careful with that. You know what I mean? I'm like a very big context
guy cuz some people say, "Oh, the Bible's terrible because of something in Leviticus 19." Like, okay, how much time
do you have? But what you are saying is even with context. Yes. you're saying commands you to does
it command you to kill Jews? Yeah. I um in the long term, yeah, it it
it commands them to oppress Jews and that eventually Muslims will kill the Jews. You are supposed to wait for it.
How can people support you? I think you're a man of great courage. I mean, this is a big fight. You're up
against the great menace and it's growing. Islamism is growing. It is. It is, unfortunately. Thank you
so much first of all for offering this uh No, I I I I saw him. You were on some interview. Who were you on? Matt Fred.
Yeah, I like that guy. I'm supposed to go on his show. You guys know Matt Fred Pints with Aquinus?
Yeah. He's a really smart guy. Awesome. Awesome. And I listened to like 10 minutes of you
on him and I texted my team. I said, I don't know who this guy is, but he's amazing. Because I've I have really
started, as you know, speaking more and more about Islam. Thank you for the very and everyone's I'm I'm hated for 900
different things. I have real jihadis and purple-haired jihadis. I have both. They both hate me. But I I said I've
been looking for you because you can educate me and also you can kind of do some of the the grunt work. I don't I
can I don't speak Turkish or Arabic. I don't read I don't have time to study the Quran. I don't want to study that crap.
I know it I know it enough. And so I I think I think really and s really sincerely your voice is incredibly
important. I I really appreciate that and I and I I thank you so much and I think that uh this should be a beginning. We should start talking about
this matter very seriously and should should speak up more and more from here on because this is a very crucial
crucial topic. We don't have time for questions but if you're okay would you stay around and just hang with some people? Sure. Yes. Yes.
Well, God bless you. It's the apostate prophet. God bless you guys. Thank you so much.
