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[00:00] decolonization is inherently violent if

[00:02] an uprising is what it takes to free the

[00:04] people of Palestine that's what it takes

[00:06] it's just it's just as simple as that

[00:08] yeah I think people just need to wake up

[00:10] take some action we say to our leaders

[00:12] it's about time to take action too Hamas

[00:15] has been designated as a terrorist

[00:16] organization but Israel hasn't you know

[00:19] Israel do you think Israel should be

[00:20] designated as a terrorist organization

[00:22] well if the TR fits where it right so

[00:24] what's your opinion on the current

[00:25] situation in Israel and Palestine well I

[00:27] think the um occupation that Israel has

[00:30] been conducting basically since its

[00:31] Inception 1948 I think it's the natural

[00:34] sort of conclusion of uh 80 years of uh

[00:38] colonialism and then later AP partied

[00:39] within the existing Israeli territories

[00:41] I think the armed resistance that has

[00:43] been conducted by several Palestinian

[00:44] groups I think it is very much chickens

[00:47] coming home to roast sort of situation

[00:50] it wouldn't happen if there wasn't a

[00:52] backdrop of that sort of colonial quite

[00:54] brutal Colonial history that has been

[00:55] conducted by Israel so do you think

[00:58] Hamas is Justified in what they're doing

[00:59] at the moment or would you condemn their

[01:01] actions uh so I wouldn't specifically

[01:03] say I condone the specific group of mass

[01:04] because that's illegal in this country

[01:06] now but I don't I think uh the

[01:08] Palestinians as a people have a right to

[01:10] resist in whatever method they

[01:11] specifically see as useful I don't think

[01:14] with specific things like indiscriminant

[01:15] killing of civilians I don't know how

[01:16] useful that is I certainly wouldn't say

[01:18] I'm Pro that uh although on a purely

[01:21] tactical basis I don't know how useful I

[01:23] would say it is and I I wouldn't condemn

[01:25] it either I think decolonization is

[01:27] inherently violent uh the way you get

[01:30] around that as you don't colonize

[01:31] basically it's uh chickens coming home

[01:32] to Rose like I said while Hamas

[01:34] definitely there has been uh there's not

[01:37] much restraint in the way they act they

[01:38] aren't a military in the same way that

[01:40] the IDF is but in that sense they I

[01:42] think they are held they IDF has to be

[01:44] held to a higher standard if they are

[01:45] supposedly a western military with their

[01:47] Rules of Engagement do you see any

[01:49] possible solution for the region uh not

[01:51] that can be uh conducted peacefully I

[01:53] don't think I don't think Israel wants

[01:54] to conduct something peacefully the

[01:56] Palestinians don't have a choice I think

[01:58] um what what going on before was a very

[02:00] slow destruction of the State of

[02:02] Palestine what is now going on is a very

[02:04] quick one I don't think uh I I think

[02:06] basically it comes to successful armed

[02:08] resistance from the Palestinians or

[02:10] nothing or there will be no Palestine

[02:11] left I think the closest we will have to

[02:13] a solution if the Israelis win is what

[02:15] the Israelis think of a solution which

[02:17] is the destruction of the State of

[02:18] Palestine I don't think there's going to

[02:19] be a peaceful solution anytime soon that

[02:21] doesn't involve some sort of genocide or

[02:23] displacement and it's just it's such a

[02:25] complicated issue but the reality of it

[02:28] is that Israel is a power and I would

[02:31] think

[02:33] that Palestine really does deserve to be

[02:35] free like it's just in what way could

[02:38] you say it being free as

[02:40] such I would think the best way to go

[02:42] about it is really like

[02:44] uh is really just the disolution of

[02:48] Israel honestly it's something that I

[02:52] really hope gets sorted out soon but in

[02:54] the grand scheme of things I think

[02:56] people just really need to research

[02:57] their history they really need to look

[03:00] into it and see that in so many cases in

[03:03] practically every other case Israel is

[03:05] in the wrong I'm not condoning the fact

[03:07] that there's so much violence going on

[03:10] by so many different groups on both

[03:12] sides of the conflict but the reality is

[03:15] the the reality is is the palestin

[03:17] Palestinian people

[03:19] are fighting for themselves and so long

[03:23] as they get their freedom that they've

[03:24] been fighting for like over 75 years or

[03:27] roughly 75 years uh until they get that

[03:31] they aren't going to be like as focused

[03:34] on the fact of who's leading the charge

[03:36] so obviously there's very like so would

[03:38] you say that Hamas are justified in what

[03:40] they're doing

[03:41] then well in terms of their goal to free

[03:44] Palestine from Israel control yes but in

[03:46] terms

[03:47] of the actions of violence that are

[03:50] going on obviously not because violence

[03:52] overall is not a way to achieve the like

[03:56] means that you need but if an uprising

[03:58] is what it takes to free the people of

[04:00] Palestine that's what it takes that's

[04:01] just it's just as simple as that we've

[04:03] had cases of um uprisings before

[04:06] specifically and things like uh Vietnam

[04:09] my dream solution is that the Western

[04:11] powers like the UK government like the

[04:12] US government and several others they

[04:14] all come together and realize that they

[04:16] made a mistake in authorizing the

[04:19] creation of such a state and for

[04:21] basically being uh the reason that so

[04:25] Much Death is going on in that region

[04:27] and that every everything every IDE

[04:29] ology has basically been hypercharged by

[04:31] their

[04:32] involvement simple as that I think so

[04:34] what's your opinion on the Israel

[04:36] Palestine conflict um well it's

[04:38] obviously a horrible

[04:40] situation um I do feel like the media is

[04:44] representing a false narrative with

[04:47] Israel in what sense in terms of like

[04:50] how long the conflict has been going on

[04:54] um but I mean and like now with the the

[04:58] terrorist group coming in and like just

[05:02] pushing that forward that story forward

[05:03] instead of like all the atrocities

[05:06] that's been happening over the years you

[05:08] know um but I can't I'm not too educated

[05:12] I gu and so would you say you condemn

[05:14] the way in which Israel's

[05:16] acted yeah yeah I would say that and so

[05:20] um Hamas is on the other side would you

[05:22] condemn them as well or say they're

[05:24] Justified um always that's a tricky

[05:28] question um cuz obviously they it's

[05:32] horrible what they did as well but um

[05:36] it's hard to say if that's justified

[05:38] through for all the years of like damage

[05:41] that's happened in in Palestine because

[05:44] of Israel so you me mentioned obviously

[05:47] condemnation of Israel can you name any

[05:48] of the atrocities which you said they've

[05:51] committed I couldn't name any off the

[05:53] top of my head but I I just know that

[05:55] they've been just pushing the ball I

[05:58] mean from what ve been told so it's not

[06:01] it's not uh full you know but um they've

[06:05] just been pushing on the border for like

[06:07] the

[06:10] last like forever pretty much the Holy

[06:13] Land as such um but yeah that's it

[06:16] really I don't really know so what's

[06:17] your opinion on the Israel Palestine

[06:18] conflict at the moment so the first

[06:20] thing I want to say I'm a Palestinian

[06:21] myself and I think the terminology of

[06:23] conflict is wrong because a conflict

[06:25] just denotes that there's an equal side

[06:27] you know both States both countries have

[06:30] same kind of weapons same stuff but it's

[06:32] actually don't they actually don't uh

[06:33] this has been going on for 75 years I

[06:35] think the world it's about time they're

[06:37] waking up to it it didn't just happen

[06:38] two weeks ago or you know suddenly you

[06:40] know they said oh why don't we do

[06:42] something about it you know 75 years ago

[06:44] my granddad was expelled from his

[06:45] country he had to leave there's been

[06:47] genocide and massacres um yeah I think

[06:49] people just need to wake up take some

[06:51] action we say to our leaders it's about

[06:54] the time take action too Hamas has been

[06:56] designated as a terrorist organization

[06:58] but Israel hasn't you know Israel do you

[07:01] think Israel should be designated as a

[07:02] terrorist organization well if the sh

[07:03] fits where it right you know it doesn't

[07:06] matter how much funding they receive

[07:07] from the US governments or any Western

[07:08] Government you know people say it's a

[07:11] western Outpost whatever your opinion is

[07:13] if you are an Asian State and you want

[07:15] to be recognized as a sovereign state

[07:16] that doesn't give you a right to kill

[07:18] innocent people cut off food and water

[07:20] to people who won't receive it from

[07:22] anywhere else or you know attack any Aid

[07:25] given to these people and open their

[07:26] prison doesn't matter who they are

[07:27] doesn't matter where they're from

[07:28] doesn't matter what their lineages asn't

[07:30] matter who their ancestors are you know

[07:33] they have a right to live where they

[07:34] stand you can't just kill them because

[07:36] you you know disagree with the existence

[07:40] I I don't agree with how the European

[07:43] settlers came to Palestine you know

[07:47] Europe didn't want them they were

[07:49] welcomed in Palestine people love to I

[07:52] don't know everyone's wrong at this

[07:53] point Who's right you know I think that

[07:56] the the atrocities of what's going on in

[07:59] Palestine right now are

[08:03] unspeakable so would you then condemn or

[08:05] Justify Israel's response to the current

[08:08] terror

[08:09] attack I feel again that it's very

[08:12] complicated it does seem to me that it

[08:14] seems a bit out of proportion uh given

[08:18] the power and the presence they already

[08:19] have over that area uh and the

[08:22] situations the relative inequities in

[08:25] terms of Israel's resources versus what

[08:28] Gaza has and Gaza being essentially the

[08:31] prisoners of Israel so do you think

[08:34] Hamas are then justified in what they're

[08:35] doing at the moment I don't really want

[08:37] to address justification um frankly but

[08:41] uh as always when with an act of War

[08:44] there's a retaliatory response uh as I

[08:48] said it seems to me that Israel's

[08:50] response was perhaps out of proportion

[08:53] um again this particular incident has to

[08:56] be considered within the larger context

[08:58] of the Israel

[09:00] Palestine

[09:01] longstanding uh conflict and standoff so

[09:05] I think it's quite complicated and

[09:06] difficult to sum up in a few

[09:13] words so firstly do we have your consent

[09:15] for the interview yes we do yes

[09:17] fantastic right before we start could I

[09:19] get your consent for the interview yeah

[09:21] that's fine fantastic R uh first of all

[09:24] do we have your consent for the

[09:25] interview uh you have my consent

[09:28] fantastic so first of all do we have

[09:30] your consent for the interview yeah you

[09:31] have my consent thank you so firsty do

[09:33] we have your consent for the interview

[09:35] yes you do fantastic do we have your

[09:37] consent for the interview yes you have

[09:38] my consent excellent

decolonization is inherently violent if an uprising is what it takes to free the people of Palestine that's what it takes it's just it's just as simple as that yeah I think people just need to wake up take some action we say to our leaders it's about time to take action too Hamas has been designated as a terrorist organization but Israel hasn't you know Israel do you think Israel should be designated as a terrorist organization well if the TR fits where it right so what's your opinion on the current situation in Israel and Palestine well I think the um occupation that Israel has been conducting basically since its Inception 1948 I think it's the natural sort of conclusion of uh 80 years of uh colonialism and then later AP partied within the existing Israeli territories I think the armed resistance that has been conducted by several Palestinian groups I think it is very much chickens coming home to roast sort of situation it wouldn't happen if there wasn't a backdrop of that sort of colonial quite brutal Colonial history that has been conducted by Israel so do you think Hamas is Justified in what they're doing at the moment or would you condemn their actions uh so I wouldn't specifically say I condone the specific group of mass because that's illegal in this country now but I don't I think uh the Palestinians as a people have a right to resist in whatever method they specifically see as useful I don't think with specific things like indiscriminant killing of civilians I don't know how useful that is I certainly wouldn't say I'm Pro that uh although on a purely tactical basis I don't know how useful I would say it is and I I wouldn't condemn it either I think decolonization is inherently violent uh the way you get around that as you don't colonize basically it's uh chickens coming home to Rose like I said while Hamas definitely there has been uh there's not much restraint in the way they act they aren't a military in the same way that the IDF is but in that sense they I think they are held they IDF has to be held to a higher standard if they are supposedly a western military with their Rules of Engagement do you see any possible solution for the region uh not that can be uh conducted peacefully I don't think I don't think Israel wants to conduct something peacefully the Palestinians don't have a choice I think um what what going on before was a very slow destruction of the State of Palestine what is now going on is a very quick one I don't think uh I I think basically it comes to successful armed resistance from the Palestinians or nothing or there will be no Palestine left I think the closest we will have to a solution if the Israelis win is what the Israelis think of a solution which is the destruction of the State of Palestine I don't think there's going to be a peaceful solution anytime soon that doesn't involve some sort of genocide or displacement and it's just it's such a complicated issue but the reality of it is that Israel is a power and I would think that Palestine really does deserve to be free like it's just in what way could you say it being free as such I would think the best way to go about it is really like uh is really just the disolution of Israel honestly it's something that I really hope gets sorted out soon but in the grand scheme of things I think people just really need to research their history they really need to look into it and see that in so many cases in practically every other case Israel is in the wrong I'm not condoning the fact that there's so much violence going on by so many different groups on both sides of the conflict but the reality is the the reality is is the palestin Palestinian people are fighting for themselves and so long as they get their freedom that they've been fighting for like over 75 years or roughly 75 years uh until they get that they aren't going to be like as focused on the fact of who's leading the charge so obviously there's very like so would you say that Hamas are justified in what they're doing then well in terms of their goal to free Palestine from Israel control yes but in terms of the actions of violence that are going on obviously not because violence overall is not a way to achieve the like means that you need but if an uprising is what it takes to free the people of Palestine that's what it takes that's just it's just as simple as that we've had cases of um uprisings before specifically and things like uh Vietnam my dream solution is that the Western powers like the UK government like the US government and several others they all come together and realize that they made a mistake in authorizing the creation of such a state and for basically being uh the reason that so Much Death is going on in that region and that every everything every IDE ology has basically been hypercharged by their involvement simple as that I think so what's your opinion on the Israel Palestine conflict um well it's obviously a horrible situation um I do feel like the media is representing a false narrative with Israel in what sense in terms of like how long the conflict has been going on um but I mean and like now with the the terrorist group coming in and like just pushing that forward that story forward instead of like all the atrocities that's been happening over the years you know um but I can't I'm not too educated I gu and so would you say you condemn the way in which Israel's acted yeah yeah I would say that and so um Hamas is on the other side would you condemn them as well or say they're Justified um always that's a tricky question um cuz obviously they it's horrible what they did as well but um it's hard to say if that's justified through for all the years of like damage that's happened in in Palestine because of Israel so you me mentioned obviously condemnation of Israel can you name any of the atrocities which you said they've committed I couldn't name any off the top of my head but I I just know that they've been just pushing the ball I mean from what ve been told so it's not it's not uh full you know but um they've just been pushing on the border for like the last like forever pretty much the Holy Land as such um but yeah that's it really I don't really know so what's your opinion on the Israel Palestine conflict at the moment so the first thing I want to say I'm a Palestinian myself and I think the terminology of conflict is wrong because a conflict just denotes that there's an equal side you know both States both countries have same kind of weapons same stuff but it's actually don't they actually don't uh this has been going on for 75 years I think the world it's about time they're waking up to it it didn't just happen two weeks ago or you know suddenly you know they said oh why don't we do something about it you know 75 years ago my granddad was expelled from his country he had to leave there's been genocide and massacres um yeah I think people just need to wake up take some action we say to our leaders it's about the time take action too Hamas has been designated as a terrorist organization but Israel hasn't you know Israel do you think Israel should be designated as a terrorist organization well if the sh fits where it right you know it doesn't matter how much funding they receive from the US governments or any Western Government you know people say it's a western Outpost whatever your opinion is if you are an Asian State and you want to be recognized as a sovereign state that doesn't give you a right to kill innocent people cut off food and water to people who won't receive it from anywhere else or you know attack any Aid given to these people and open their prison doesn't matter who they are doesn't matter where they're from doesn't matter what their lineages asn't matter who their ancestors are you know they have a right to live where they stand you can't just kill them because you you know disagree with the existence I I don't agree with how the European settlers came to Palestine you know Europe didn't want them they were welcomed in Palestine people love to I don't know everyone's wrong at this point Who's right you know I think that the the atrocities of what's going on in Palestine right now are unspeakable so would you then condemn or Justify Israel's response to the current terror attack I feel again that it's very complicated it does seem to me that it seems a bit out of proportion uh given the power and the presence they already have over that area uh and the situations the relative inequities in terms of Israel's resources versus what Gaza has and Gaza being essentially the prisoners of Israel so do you think Hamas are then justified in what they're doing at the moment I don't really want to address justification um frankly but uh as always when with an act of War there's a retaliatory response uh as I said it seems to me that Israel's response was perhaps out of proportion um again this particular incident has to be considered within the larger context of the Israel Palestine longstanding uh conflict and standoff so I think it's quite complicated and difficult to sum up in a few words so firstly do we have your consent for the interview yes we do yes fantastic right before we start could I get your consent for the interview yeah that's fine fantastic R uh first of all do we have your consent for the interview uh you have my consent fantastic so first of all do we have your consent for the interview yeah you have my consent thank you so firsty do we have your consent for the interview yes you do fantastic do we have your consent for the interview yes you have my consent excellent

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