Frank Turek Answers Transgender Student and Questions About Free Will, Hell, and God's Love

[00:00] My people are suffering because of the

[00:01] hatred that is parited through the

[00:03] mouths of people like Charlie Kirk.

[00:05] If the Bible is preaching

[00:07] love and acceptance, why are we not

[00:09] loving and accepting everybody for who

[00:11] they are?

[00:11] God put the tree in the garden to give

[00:13] us free will. Um,

[00:16] but if you go before that, why why would

[00:19] he make us knowing what we would become

[00:21] and knowing the evil that the earth

[00:23] would become? Why didn't God create an

[00:26] in between of uh eternal life and

[00:28] eternal death?

[00:29] Last week, Dr. Frank Turk was literally

[00:32] in the back of the car with Charlie Kirk

[00:34] on the way to the hospital giving him

[00:36] CPR as he was bleeding out. This week,

[00:39] he is somehow back on the college campus

[00:42] answering questions from students. These

[00:44] conversations are at the center of the

[00:46] spiritual battle. We don't have

[00:48] political problems in America. We have

[00:51] political symptoms of spiritual

[00:53] problems. This Q&A will make that very

[00:55] clear. Let's dive in.

[00:57] Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. What's your name?

[00:59] Hi, my name is Rose Daphne. I'm from

[01:00] Houston, Texas, and I'm a proud

[01:02] transgender woman. I'd like to say that

[01:04] Charlie Kirk claimed that my people are

[01:06] an abomination and a middle finger to

[01:08] God. I'd like to say that in the Bible,

[01:10] it says that we are all created in God's

[01:12] image, but we are still killed by those

[01:14] who tout Christian love. I'm not here to

[01:16] debate my humanity. I'm not here to

[01:18] debate the humanity of any of my sisters

[01:20] who have been murdered. Again, 13 in the

[01:22] city of Houston, Texas. But I'm here to

[01:24] remind everyone that my people are

[01:25] suffering because of the hatred that is

[01:27] parited through the mouths of people

[01:29] like Charlie Kirk. He he has called for

[01:31] the destruction of my people and we are

[01:34] dying for it and we are suffering for

[01:35] it.

[01:35] Okay,

[01:36] that's all I have to say tonight.

[01:37] Okay.

[01:39] Um

[01:44] Uhuh. No.

[01:45] Now, excuse me. Hold on. I I need to

[01:47] respond to that. And that is

[01:50] if disagreement is hate then she just

[01:54] expressed hate.

[02:04] Disagreement is not hate.

[02:08] It can be obviously but saying that

[02:11] somebody is going down the wrong road in

[02:13] their life is not hate. It's love.

[02:18] That's what Charlie was saying in the

[02:20] video before

[02:22] when Jesus talks to the woman caught in

[02:24] adultery.

[02:26] He says, "Go and sin no more."

[02:31] Move of things are going to hurt people.

[02:36] You try and tell them that God wants

[02:42] them to be whole.

[02:45] And here is the way to do it.

[02:48] So disagreement isn't necessarily hate.

[02:52] Love does not mean approval.

[02:56] And giving a middle finger to God,

[03:00] the God who created you and sacrificed

[03:03] himself to save you

[03:05] is obviously

[03:08] something

[03:10] that is very, very sad and just

[03:14] demonstrates rebellion and hurt.

[03:18] But you know what? Whatever the young

[03:20] lady's name was, Jesus died for her,

[03:24] too.

[03:25] Amen.

[03:26] Jesus died for me. Jesus died for you.

[03:29] I want to offer compassion to the to the

[03:32] questioner who just came up because that

[03:35] person is believing lies. That person

[03:38] has bought into a counterfeit of what is

[03:41] actually good for them. They believe

[03:43] that in order to transition their their

[03:46] gender, they're going to be happy and

[03:49] fulfilled and have abundant life. But

[03:51] that is a counterfeit. God actually is

[03:53] offering something way bigger and way

[03:55] better than that, which is

[03:57] transformation. If you if you're going

[03:59] to be if you want to be trans, be

[04:01] transformed by the renewing of your

[04:03] mind. Be transformed out of out of the

[04:06] things that ens snare you and into the

[04:09] things that give you life abundantly.

[04:10] The devil came to steal, kill, and

[04:13] destroy. God came to give you life and

[04:16] life abundantly. The propaganda of hell

[04:18] is that God is holding you back from the

[04:21] good life. that God is keeping you away

[04:23] from who from how you can be fulfilled

[04:26] and satisfied. It's the exact opposite.

[04:28] The devil wants to keep you in a prison

[04:31] of your own desires. That that the

[04:33] things that you think by fulfilling them

[04:35] by acting them out will set you free are

[04:37] actually going to ensnare you. This is

[04:39] not just true of sexual sin. This is

[04:41] true of all sin. Sin is an illusion that

[04:44] offers you a semblance of freedom that

[04:47] is actually shackles. The problem here

[04:50] is, I agree with Dr. Turk, a rebellious

[04:52] heart, but it's also believing lies.

[04:54] It's believing the propaganda of hell

[04:57] that God doesn't care for you and

[04:59] doesn't know what's best for you.

[05:02] Yes. Go ahead. What's your name?

[05:03] Hi, thank you. My name is Seth Bernier.

[05:05] Seth, go ahead.

[05:05] Um, I was at Scare Winds four years ago

[05:08] when there was a shooting happened, so I

[05:10] understand your pain. Um my one question

[05:12] is if the Bible teaches love and

[05:14] acceptance of everybody why are we

[05:17] stripping rights away from minorities?

[05:21] Okay, first question is where do rights

[05:23] come from?

[05:24] They come from a collective agreement.

[05:28] Collective agreement. So then if a

[05:31] certain group of people say you're

[05:34] Jewish and you don't have any rights,

[05:36] we're going to put you in the gas ovens.

[05:38] That's okay. No.

[05:40] Okay. So, rights don't come from the

[05:42] collective. Where do they come from?

[05:44] I mean, you can look back to Thomas

[05:46] Jefferson who said, "All men are created

[05:48] equal." You didn't say that earlier.

[05:50] Earlier, you said all men are created

[05:52] under the light of

[05:54] No, what I quoted was Jefferson saying,

[05:57] "All men are created equal and endowed

[05:59] by their creator."

[06:00] Yes. But the quote is, "All men are

[06:02] created equal."

[06:03] Right.

[06:04] And we hold these truths to be

[06:06] self-evident.

[06:06] We hold these truths to be self-evident.

[06:08] Men are created equal and endowed by

[06:10] their creator with certain inaliable

[06:11] rights and among these are life,

[06:14] liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[06:15] So what's your point?

[06:17] My point is why are we if the Bible is

[06:19] preaching love and acceptance, why are

[06:22] we not loving and accepting everybody

[06:24] for who they are?

[06:26] Well, the question is

[06:29] the Bible doesn't accept our actions.

[06:33] The Bible accepts us because we're made

[06:36] in God's image.

[06:38] Not every action a person does isn't

[06:42] good.

[06:42] No. And I agree with that.

[06:44] Okay. So that's that's your answer. If

[06:46] you're doing something that is against

[06:49] God's will,

[06:50] but then why did he make those things?

[06:53] Why did he make different kinds of

[06:55] people if he wants to then say, "No,

[06:57] you're bad." And no, you're going to go

[06:59] to hell for that.

[07:00] We're all bad. We all have an

[07:02] orientation toward bad behavior. That's

[07:05] why Jesus had to come to save all of us.

[07:08] The the the same message to me is the

[07:12] same message to you and everybody else

[07:14] out there. Whether they identify,

[07:16] however they identify, the same

[07:18] messages, we're all fallen. We all need

[07:20] a savior. And once we accept that savior

[07:23] out of love for what he's done for us,

[07:25] we should want to follow him. That's the

[07:27] message. It's for you. It's for me. It's

[07:29] the same message.

[07:30] Thank you.

[07:30] Thank you.

[07:31] This is exactly what we need to be

[07:33] saying right now. There's not a special

[07:34] category for sexual sin. The ground is

[07:37] equal at the foot of the cross. All have

[07:39] fallen short of the glory of God. We've

[07:40] all been inflicted with sin in different

[07:43] ways. And those different ways will be

[07:46] the things that we are called to bring

[07:48] to God and say, "God, there's something

[07:50] that I'm desiring that's actually not

[07:53] good for me." Will you enter into my

[07:55] life and help me to overcome? We all

[07:57] have things that must be put to death.

[08:00] We all have to choose between believing

[08:03] the propaganda of hell, listening to the

[08:05] the whisper of the serpent that says,

[08:07] "Do as thou wilt. Do exactly what you

[08:10] want to do?" Or to say, "Wait a second,

[08:12] that sounds familiar."

[08:14] Does God know what's best or does the

[08:16] devil know what's best? Does God know

[08:18] what's be know what's best or does the

[08:20] individual know what is best? The these

[08:23] are the battle lines. These are how they

[08:24] are drawn out. And the and the challenge

[08:26] for any person is to say, "Wait a

[08:28] second. If I am created because I am

[08:30] wanted. If I if I if I exist based on

[08:33] love, not just accidental forces, and if

[08:38] my creator is my redeemer, if it's

[08:41] really true that God came in to the

[08:45] story like Shakespeare coming in to

[08:47] Hamlet

[08:49] and and when he came in, if he

[08:53] heroically laid down his life for me and

[08:57] took my place, if that is who my creat

[09:00] creator is then he obviously cares

[09:03] maximally for me. If he cares maximally

[09:07] for me and is in fact my creator meaning

[09:09] is omnisient then does he know what is

[09:12] going to lead to flourishing for me

[09:14] better than I do or not? Does he know

[09:17] what is going to lead to flourishing for

[09:19] me better than the devil knows or not?

[09:21] Let's keep going.

[09:28] Sir, what's your name? Spencer.

[09:30] Spencer.

[09:30] Yeah,

[09:31] there's another Spencer right there.

[09:33] Go ahead.

[09:34] Uh my question is, so uh God put the

[09:38] tree in the garden to give us free will.

[09:40] Um

[09:41] but if you go before that, why why would

[09:44] he make us knowing what we would become

[09:46] and knowing the evil that the earth

[09:49] would become?

[09:50] Because knowing what someone's going to

[09:53] do isn't the same as causing us to do

[09:56] it.

[09:58] I know tomorrow the sun's going to rise

[10:00] in the east, but I'm not causing it to

[10:01] rise in the east.

[10:03] My um daughter-in-law when she puts down

[10:06] a new baby, she knows at some point that

[10:08] night that baby's going to wake up and

[10:11] want to eat. But her knowing that

[10:13] doesn't cause the baby to wake up and

[10:15] eat. So when God creates the universe,

[10:17] he knows how it's going to turn out, but

[10:19] he's not causing it to turn out in the

[10:21] sense that he's taking away our free

[10:22] will. And if you guys don't like those

[10:24] examples, you can also apply this to

[10:26] things in the past, like I know who won

[10:27] the Super Bowl last year for sure

[10:29] because that's actually already happened

[10:31] and yet I had nothing to do with the

[10:32] outcome. And this goes back to the point

[10:34] we were making earlier. If God wanted to

[10:37] create a universe where nobody actually

[10:40] sinned, it might have one or two people

[10:42] in it. That's it.

[10:43] I think it would have no people, but I'm

[10:45] curious why he would say one or two.

[10:47] God can't force free creatures to do

[10:49] what he wants because then they wouldn't

[10:51] be free. So God creates a universe where

[10:54] the maximum number of people can be

[10:56] saved, the minimum number of people are

[10:58] lost because God believes it's better to

[11:01] have loved and have lost than to never

[11:03] have loved at all.

[11:06] So God is not under God is not under any

[11:09] obligation to not create because some

[11:12] people want to rebel against him. That

[11:13] would be hell vetoing heaven. Hm.

[11:19] So God creates, he gives people free

[11:21] will and he allows them to make the

[11:24] choices that they want to make. And

[11:26] sometimes we make choices that follow

[11:29] God and many times we make choices that

[11:32] don't. And cause calling something that

[11:35] God doesn't want you to do it a right is

[11:37] doesn't make it a right.

[11:40] Rights come from God. Otherwise, they're

[11:42] just preferences.

[11:44] Does that make sense? Uh maybe could you

[11:46] explain the answer one more?

[11:47] Go ahead. Go ahead. What else you want

[11:48] to add to?

[11:49] Could you just explain the answer one

[11:50] more time?

[11:51] Could you explain the answer one more

[11:53] time?

[11:53] Actually, sorry. I can't.

[11:55] Okay.

[11:56] Because we are 11 minutes from shutdown.

[11:59] So I I got to move on.

[12:00] Well, thank you.

[12:00] All right. Thank you. Appreciate it,

[12:02] Spencer.

[12:05] We could probably only do a couple of

[12:07] more and then I've got to conclude. So

[12:09] maybe two more. I'm sorry we we can't

[12:11] get to them all, but go ahead, ma'am.

[12:12] Yes.

[12:12] Okay. So my question uh comes from uh a

[12:16] debate I had recently with somebody um

[12:19] and they were talking about the polar

[12:21] oppositess of eternal life and um uh

[12:25] eternal death

[12:26] and they were it was

[12:28] Oh that's right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to

[12:30] interrupt her. This question

[12:32] directly ties into the previous question

[12:34] where you might be sorry you might you

[12:36] might be wondering well why why are the

[12:39] stakes so high? Why why can't we have

[12:42] and I've heard this so many times. Why

[12:43] can't we have a free will that exposes

[12:46] us to all of the upside but protects us

[12:49] from all the downside? If God is so

[12:50] clever,

[12:53] why couldn't God do that? And

[12:55] interestingly, and I really think this

[12:57] was the Holy Spirit working in this

[12:58] event. Uh this next question just so

[13:02] happens to be the question that

[13:04] elucidates in my opinion a better answer

[13:06] to the prior question. Here it is.

[13:08] Scenario. So they were saying like uh

[13:11] let's say you had two kids that were

[13:13] estranged from you um for whatever

[13:15] reason. You still wouldn't wish

[13:17] suffering on them just because they're

[13:20] they don't talk to you anymore. They

[13:21] don't want anything to do with you. Um

[13:24] so my question is like why didn't God

[13:26] create an in between of uh eternal life

[13:29] and eternal death? So because

[13:32] what do you mean in between eternal life

[13:33] and eternal death? like between heaven

[13:35] and hell

[13:36] like a purgatory where you you got to

[13:37] have your sins expuned before you get

[13:40] into heaven. What do you mean?

[13:41] I wouldn't say necessarily expuned, but

[13:43] somewhere where it's like

[13:44] because he didn't want us to suffer. He

[13:47] doesn't wish suffering on us. He wants

[13:49] us to be with him in heaven. That's what

[13:50] I believe.

[13:51] Okay.

[13:52] Um

[13:52] yeah, he does. He wants all people to be

[13:53] saved, but some people don't want to be

[13:55] saved.

[13:55] Right. So I'm saying like, okay, so

[13:57] let's say take a person who's morally

[13:58] good, right?

[13:59] There's nobody there's no such person

[14:00] other than Jesus. But go ahead.

[14:02] Okay. So they, you know, they believe

[14:04] themselves to be morally good. We'll say

[14:06] that.

[14:07] Okay. They're wrong. Next. Go ahead.

[14:09] So I'm just I guess my plain question is

[14:12] why is there no like eternal middle

[14:15] ground?

[14:18] Why is there no You mean where people

[14:20] are doing what?

[14:22] They're either with God or they're not.

[14:24] There's no third option.

[14:25] But why in the afterlife?

[14:26] Like why wasn't that created?

[14:28] What's what what could be the middle

[14:29] between being with God and not being

[14:31] with God?

[14:33] I guess that answers my question.

[14:34] Okay. All right. Thank you. All right.

[14:35] Thank you.

[14:36] That's it, guys. All right. That's it.

[14:38] That That is it right there. Think about

[14:40] how that connects to all of these other

[14:42] discussions that that really And that's

[14:44] why I was recommending the book called

[14:46] The Great Divorce because it is the

[14:48] divorce between heaven and hell. It is

[14:51] logically impossible for there to be any

[14:53] other options than with God or not with

[14:56] God. people who do not want to be with

[14:58] God. People who are rejecting God their

[15:01] whole life and saying, "I don't want to

[15:04] come to you. I I I don't like the fact

[15:06] that you demand anything of me. I don't

[15:08] like that you want me to be to have to

[15:10] change anything. I don't like that you

[15:12] would ask me to repent even though even

[15:14] though you created me and even though

[15:15] you literally were tortured and killed

[15:18] for me, how dare you ask anything of me?

[15:21] How dare you ask me to repent? me to

[15:23] change me to bring the part of me that

[15:25] is broken to you and ask you to heal it.

[15:28] How dare you do that, God? How dare you

[15:29] do that? If you walk away from God

[15:33] eternally, you'll end up in darkness. He

[15:37] who has the Son has life. He who does

[15:39] not have the Son does not have life. The

[15:40] wages of sin is death. The gift of God

[15:43] is eternal life in Christ Jesus our

[15:46] Lord. This is logically necessary. This

[15:47] is how it is. Imagine that fire is the

[15:51] only source of warmth. God is a fire

[15:57] producing that warmth. And the warmth in

[15:59] the analogy represents every good thing,

[16:02] everything that you love,

[16:05] existence itself.

[16:08] If you walk away from that fire,

[16:11] what's going to happen?

[16:14] You You're going to end up cold. You're

[16:16] going to end up in the dark. You're

[16:18] you're walking away from the source

[16:22] and and yet you want all of the benefits

[16:24] of the source without the source. You

[16:25] want the warmth and the light. You want

[16:28] the the gifts that God gives, but you

[16:30] don't want the giver.

[16:32] And so you in the end that's that that's

[16:35] impossible. You're either like Frank

[16:37] Turk said where God is or where God

[16:41] isn't. If you're where God isn't,

[16:45] it's not going to be a place that has

[16:47] good things because God contains all

[16:49] good things within his own nature.

[16:53] So, right now, the rain is is is pouring

[16:55] on the on the righteous and the

[16:56] unrighteousness as it says in scripture.

[16:58] Meaning that there is general blessing,

[17:00] general revelation, um general uh favor

[17:04] being given to people even as they as

[17:06] they hate God, mock God, spit in God's

[17:08] face, reject God, resist God, etc. But

[17:10] in the end,

[17:12] you either are where God is or you are

[17:16] where God is not.

[17:18] I I I I could I don't think it could be

[17:20] any more any more simple. So my my

[17:22] challenge in in light of this video, my

[17:24] challenge is this. You're just like me.

[17:26] Whoever you are watching this video,

[17:28] you're just like me. We're all fallen

[17:31] short of the glory of God. And yet we

[17:33] all have a savior. A savior who died for

[17:36] our brokenness. a savior who died for

[17:39] our sin. The creator is the redeemer.

[17:44] Jesus has shown us what God is like.

[17:46] Jesus has shown us that he is the image

[17:48] of the invisible God. He's shown us that

[17:50] he's full of grace and mercy. He's shown

[17:53] us that his love is powerful. It's more

[17:55] powerful than death.

[17:58] He has overcome the grave. He has risen

[18:01] from death. He was slain, but he's

[18:05] risen. And he's coming again. and he's

[18:07] offering life to you. If you don't know

[18:11] Jesus, you can. He does ask something of

[18:15] you, but not in order to save you. He

[18:17] just asks that you accept and believe

[18:20] and see the beautiful thing that he's

[18:22] done for you. It is a free gift of

[18:24] salvation. But if you truly understand

[18:26] what it means, if you understand that

[18:28] you deserve the blows that he took, but

[18:32] he took them for you, you will be

[18:34] transformed. You will not say,"Great,

[18:36] let me tag Jesus on to everything that

[18:38] I'm doing. Let me keep doing exactly

[18:40] what I'm doing, but now, but now I kind

[18:42] of believe that Jesus has sort of

[18:43] accounted for some of it." That will

[18:44] not, that is not what will happen if you

[18:46] understand

[18:49] that he took your place,

[18:52] that he actually took the blows for you,

[18:56] that he took the bullet of death for you

[18:58] and offers you life. If you actually

[19:00] understand that, you will be

[19:02] transformed.

[19:05] You will repent. You'll say, "Son of

[19:07] David, have mercy on me, a sinner."

[19:11] Where else can we go? You alone have the

[19:12] words of life. You will repent and the

[19:15] beginning of life will start for you.

[19:18] Death is the beginning of spiritual

[19:20] life. You've got to die to whatever that

[19:23] thing is. You've got to be willing to

[19:24] die to something. Let Jesus have it. Let

[19:28] Jesus take control.

[19:30] Surrender your desires unto Jesus and

[19:33] watch how he transforms your life.

[19:38] Read the Gospel of John. Go buy the book

[19:40] The Great Divorce. Thank me later. And

[19:42] be part of what I believe is a revival

[19:45] beginning to happen right now. The Holy

[19:48] Spirit is moving. The time is short. The

[19:50] king is coming.