Testing the Frangible Ammo Theory — Plus Exploding Mic and Necklace Updates

Everyone, how's it going? Let me know if the sound is good. As you know, a lot of times we end up with some funky audio issues. Give people a few minutes to move in here. So, I am wearing the uh gunfighter lube gun oil t-shirt. Shout out to Carrie Trainer. Mickey sent me this. It is my It's the by far the most comfortable shirt I have ever worn. And thanks, Ivan. And he will not tell me where he sources it, but uh the gunfighter gun oil is awesome. All right, let's give it a few more minutes. Now, this show is going to be very interesting because it's kind of a mixture of a lot of people's different work kind of coming together. So, obviously, there's been a lot of theories for a long time and a lot of people feel very strongly about their theories. And what I've tried to do from the beginning is give everyone kind of equal opportunity to share their theory and kind of speak without being challenged on anything major and uh kind of being unbiased. And this is just kind of a mixture of the different things. Hey everyone, Gina, Alex, Mr. Turpin, Marty, Rapunzel, Logan, welcome to the show. Let's see. uh John Coen. I believe he was um like an investigative person and I think he used to do some stuff with Jason Goodman if I remember correctly. Uh let's see. All right. Can you guys put in the chat where you're listening from? I'm always curious. There's a lot of people from overseas as well. Welcome, Susan. All right, let's see here. All right, so what I'm going to do is kind of give a quick intro and then we'll start jumping into everything. And one of the things I'm going to show today is it's about a 13minute video of me testing out frangible ammo on different things. And one of the takeaways is actually extremely interesting. I wasn't expecting what I saw and it kind of made me question things a little bit more. So, um, yeah, we'll see. But really quick, so Candace is hosting, let me show this over here. Candace is actually hosting a space tonight. And if you're not familiar with Xpaces, it's basically a place for people to debate and talk. And typically, you know, there's a chat and you can share images and video and everything, but it's just people debating. And she's hosting one for Fort Wuka. And uh if you guys can make it, go check it out. Might be fun. All right. Now, tonight we're doing something simple and overdue. Instead of arguing about theories, we're going to test some. And I say we because the entire case has been a group effort by hundreds of creators and citizen journalists and investigators like you. First, you've heard the claim the reported 306 ammo was actually frangible. Now, that's what they're saying. At least that's what the uh surgeon was caught saying. Designed to break apart on impact. Some people say that explains a lot about the injuries that were discussed, including me and Valhalla and a couple others. We came out and basically said frangible might explain what we saw if it was a 306. But most of that conversation is happening with no real testing and very little understanding of how frangible ammo actually behaves. So, and and like a lot of people were saying, they they had a hard time sourcing it. So, I have a buddy who has a gun shop in a shooting range and he's been sourcing ammo for a very long time. And he could not source 306 French rounds from all of his different suppliers that he's been using over the years. And when we looked around, we did see some World War II uh kind of like stockpile stuff, but it wasn't for sale. It was just someone just owned it and had it. So, I was able to get 5.56. And the reason it's important is because the 5.56 rounds move faster. And based on all the research and stuff I did, they would be more likely to actually break apart than the 306. So if the 5.56 breaks apart, then the 300 6 has more chance or actually less chance, I should say, less chance of breaking apart. So if the 5.56 doesn't break apart, then the 300 6 is definitely not going to break apart theoretically based on the science. So tonight we're putting French ammo under the microscope. There's two big takeaways I got that I was not expecting. And we're also going to discuss updates about the necklace and the exploding mic theory. One new bit of information could challenge the theory. I don't think it completely debunks it, but I found it very interesting. And I did reach out to John. I spoke to John Bray about it. And I also spoke to audio freak and algeist about the audio forensics, which is why I have that poll asking that question. If you think audio forensics plays an important role. So, um, we'll get to the questions at the end. Put your questions in the chat or super chats. And thanks to all the channel members for the support. Let's go ahead and get into it. Like I said, first we're going to start with this video. And this is me. You guys should appreciate this. It was freezing outside. >> Freezing. >> It was uh it was painful to be out here. I did this a few days ago. Um, but we're going to watch this. I may stop at a few points to kind of point stuff out, but for the most part, I'm just going to let it play straight through and then we can talk about it at the end and then we'll jump into the other stuff. Hello and welcome back to Trigger Smart. I am out here at the range. I hope you guys appreciate this because it is freezing out here and I'm going to be doing some testing. I'm going to be shooting. But here's the interesting part. I'm testing frangible ammo. So, I had my source at Entertain Jacques. I had him go out and check and see if he could find some frangible ammo. He was not able to find 3006 frangible. There are World War II like stock piles of it and stuff like that and there are some very rare companies that make it that you might be able to source, but he has a FFL in a business that regularly sources this stuff and he couldn't find anything except 5.56. So today I'm shooting 5.56 French ammo and we're going to be hitting several things. We're going to be testing on the rubber mat material. We're going to be looking at obviously our fruit, our water, cinder blocks, wood, and then of course our steel. Now, typically we are going to expect that any hard surface like the center block and the steel are going to work properly with the French ammo. The real question is, is it going to work when we hit something softer? I also got some pork shoulders to test it out. They're about the size of a human neck for most people. And then I got this nice chunky ribeye over here. And I apologize for the shooting in the background if it's loud, but I have this nice ribeye here with a chunky bone in it. And we're going to see if we can get that frangible ammo to break on it. All right, guys. Here we go. So, I'm going to be shooting all these different items. Some are going to be with full metal jacket first of each item. And then we're going to do frangible rounds of Fosi's each item. And then after we're done, then obviously we're going to compare the damage and that kind of stuff. The thing that's interesting is that based on the research that I've done, these fangible rounds will probably pass through just about everything except maybe the cinder block and the steel. I'm actually really curious if it's going to stop in that bone on that beef, but we'll find out. And I'm shooting my 105 stag arms. Has the vel suppressor. And then of course, we have our full metal jacket and our frangible rounds here. And we're going to start off with steel with nonfrangible full metal jacket. and wood full metal jacket. All right, now we're switching over to frangible and we're going to shoot the steel first and then we're going to shoot frangible at the wood. All right, next we're going to shoot at the Infinity target and that is the rubber mat material and I highly recommend their targets. They're pretty awesome. But we're going to see if the frangible acts any different. So, we're going to shoot full metal jacket first 55 grain. Now, frangible. Now, I can see from here the fangible round started breaking up more and there's more paint splatter, but I'm not sure if that's going to make a difference as far as the uh damage and stuff like that that actually happened, but let's go check it out. And I know you guys are probably jealous of how awesome I look. All right, so first, if you can see this here, this hit right here, this was the full metal jacket. And this hit right here, that's your frangible. So, you can see some of the powder and stuff that came off of that. And then we come over here to the wood. This one right here, that's the full metal jacket. And that one there, that's the frangible. Let's check the back. And as you can see, they both came through. Frangible went right through the wood. No issues. And here was the full metal jacket here. And then the frangible here. And based on that hole, it looks like it just went straight through. There was no breaking up or anything when it hit that hard rubber. All right. So, this is the fun part where I get to test my accuracy and uh see if I don't destroy my own cameras. So, we're going to start off with full metal jacket on the left. So, everything that I shoot right now is going to be full metal jacket on the left side. Let's see how it goes. Cantaloupe. Pretty uneventful. All right. Now, let's go ahead and do our pineapple. All right. And now let's do the water. Okay. A little bit more eventful. Now, there are some benefits of frangible when it comes to home defense as well. Not, you know, for over penetration and that kind of stuff, but some people say that it's not as effective. All right. Now, we're going to go to frangible on the right side. First, we're going to do our cantaloupe. Now, this is one of the parts where I want to deposit. Now, [clears throat] if you remember the other one was a pretty small entry hole, right, for the full metal jacket, which is your typical round. This one with the frangible, look how much bigger that entry wound is. And we're actually going to see it close up here in a minute. And yes, it was painful shooting the beef. I definitely [laughter] had some reservations about shooting the beef and wasting the uh Well, you're going to see here in a second. We're going to shoot some pork shoulders, too. >> Pineapple. And next, we're going to go to our water bottle. All right, let's clear and check it out. I'm shooting at about 50 yards. So, my first impressions is that the full metal jacket did not cause as much damage as the frangible. But let's check this out. All right, so let's look at our entrance. This is with the full metal jacket. So, pretty clean. Pretty clean going in. That's our exit, right? That's that cavitation and that exit wound people talk about. All right. Next, we have our pineapple. And it's kind of hard to see there, but there's your entrance right there. Right here. And again, it says full metal jacket. There's your exit, right? Pretty obvious. A lot of damage blown out the back. And the water bottle. You can kind of see the clean hole there. And then the back, of course, is blown out. Made a big mess. All right. Now we're going to look at the frangible side. So what's interesting on the frangible? Now look at that. That's the entry wound. You're going to see here in a minute on the pork shoulders, the entry wound is almost impossible to see on this. On the first one, it was a much smaller hole. On this one, this one looks I mean this is a pretty sizable hole from Frangible. But now let's look at the back. They're almost identical. The entry and exit look almost identical from shooting this with a frangible round. This is the entry wound. So definitely bigger. Split it open. But now look at the exit. Almost identical. So that exit is almost identical. Then you have your pineapple. And now on this one you can see that entry wound is bigger on the frangible. So, it was already breaking up when it hit. Now, I can't see any obvious residue or anything. I can't see any powder. Now, look at the exit, right? Pretty blown out. But again, I don't see any powder or anything. You know, I'm looking on the wound and I don't see I don't see any traces of it like exploding into a powder and I don't see any on the table. And then of course we have our pretty clean entry and broken out the back just like the other one. Okay. So now you saw what happens with the fruit, the steel, the rubber, and the water jugs and that kind of stuff. But now let's compare this to actual flesh and see if we can kind of replicate what may have happened and see if we can get especially on the bone in beef, see if we can get that to actually stop the frangible round or not. Have it blow the back out. But now we need to test out this fangible round on flesh because if they're saying that it was a 30 out 6 ftable round, we need to see if any frangible round would work. And in this case it is 5.56. Not exactly 1 one with 30 six but it's the same idea. So the next thing I'm going to do is I'm going to shoot a pork roast. And some of you going to say, why is the plastic still on it? Well to me that's almost kind of functioning like the skin, right? And uh plastic obviously tears and rips pretty easily when it's shot. So, I want to kind of simulate how the skin kind of holds things together, right? It is elastic. It has some give, but I left that on for that reason. And then after that, we're going to shoot our roast that has a bone. And first, we're going to shoot full metal jacket at the left pork roast. Now, we're going to shoot frangible pork roast. All right, let's go check it out. By the way, this franchual ammo is a dollar a round. All right, now remember some of you were saying that it could have been like a 5.56 closer or some kind of pistol round or something. And um I mean, look at this. All right. Now, this goes to show you what people are talking about when you can barely find or never see an entry wound. Look at that. See the little plastic right there? That tiny little hole right there, right above my thumb. That's the entry. You can barely see it. All right, that's your exit. And you can see in this case obviously there's some cinder block in it because the cinder block was right behind it. Blew that out. Now that's just with 5.56. That's not even a 30 out six which is significantly more powerful. All right. Now look at the center block. Went straight through the front. Now let's see if it went through the back. Shattered the whole thing. Okay. Now looking inside, you can see it destroyed everything, but it looks like it did not go all the way through. So it didn't go through the back, but it did crack the back. Okay. All right. Now we're looking at frangible. And you can see similarly very very small entry wound. Now remember these are like 22 size bullets. Get 556 223 but very small on the inside. Let's see how the back looks. All right. All right. Now, on the back of this, you can see it's still blown out. And there is some concrete from the center block in it, but you can see it's still blew it out. So, you would definitely see an exit wound. And then on this one, it did not go through this under block. It didn't even crack this under block, but it did take this chunk out here, right? But the frangible bullet has broken up down here. And you can actually see some pieces of it there. The frangible when it hit something hard, it did break up. So now we're going to test it on this beef with the bone in it and see what happens. All right. Now here's the grand finale. Is this 5.56 fangible ammo that we saw break up on the concrete block? Is that going to hit the bone after going through the flesh that's about the same thickness as a human neck? And is it going to kind of break and explode on impact or is it just going to shatter the bone and then hit the block behind it? All right. Now, really quick down in the chat, if you think that the bullet is going to break up on the bone in the beef, which you're going to see the beef and the bone here in a second, do you think it's actually going to break up? Put a one. If you think it's just going to go straight through, put a two. I'm really curious what you guys think. You're going to say this looks pretty thin and weak. Well, from the side, look at the thickness. That's about the same as those pork roast. About the same as a human neck. So, I'm going to shoot right through the lower part of it and it's going to hit that bone in the back. And what we're trying to see is is it going to go through the flesh and stop at the bone with the frangible round or is it going to go through and hit the center block? And if you guys appreciate me doing this in the freezing cold, not like Jesse in heavy duty country wearing tank tops out in Texas, hit that like button. Looked like a pretty good shot. All right, make sure we're clear. All right. So, here's what we have. Pretty sizable entry hole. Some pretty good damage. Nice wound cavity. Come on the other side. And I That was a pretty direct hit, right? That went straight through that bone. Blew out the side and went straight through the bone. And it wasn't a edge shot, right? So, the hole is actually closer to the middle. And you can see that bone that's thicker than human vertebrae went right through it. Blew it out. And it also made another big chunk out of that cinder block. All right, so what's the takeaway here? Well, we shot just about everything you can think of, hard and soft. Obviously, we have to look at the slow-mo, but I mean, frangible ammo 5.56 223 has less power, less footbs of force hitting. It can be a fast round and it is smaller, but in this case, it went straight through, straight through the bone, everything else. So, I would say even with a frangible 30 out six that has significantly more power at the 140 yards, I would say frangible is not going to make a difference. It's still going to blow his neck out. All right. So, what do you guys think? Is that what you were expecting? The thing that stood out to me, like even though the French round went straight through the bone and everything, it was interesting that that entry wound on that melon looked almost exactly identical to the exit wound on the melon. And then the pineapple as well. It was it was a very sizable kind of rough looking entry wound. So that's that's the the big takeaway for me. I was like what if there was some different composition of bullet? Maybe there's a old 300 6 that's been sitting around for a long time and the you know the way they put the bullets together I believe is they like melt nickel or something into it to hold it together. Maybe that broke down over time and maybe it was weaker. Maybe that's a possibility. But um that piece alone is very interesting to me. So I'm like 95% not frangible. Like that that wasn't it. But 5% of me because of the way that entry wound looked kind of caught my attention. All right. So now we're going to shift gears a little bit. Everyone is familiar I believe. Let me pull this up a little bit bigger. Everyone is familiar with the road mic. This is basically the one he was using. I believe it's the exact one he was using. And uh this one doesn't have the magnetic clasp, but you can see here it has this kind of like fluffy top on it. And we're going to look at some different images. And I believe this is what the guy's holding, but uh let's get over to those here really quick. And I apologize if I sound nasly. We have the bugs going around right now like many people do. All right, let's show this first narrative. There is one thing I'd like you to keep in mind as we watch this. And how is it that three pendants that are free? >> Now, let me frame this really quick. So, this is Sam Parker on X. Go check him out. This is a video that he did and it was interesting because it caught my attention. One of the first things that I saw with the microphone exploding is to me it looked like the magnet like flew off or you know flew across or something similar. But there's something here that we're going to see that now makes me think that it didn't. And this I also have a slow motion video that kind of confirms it. And I did reach out to John because um the video that I'm using to confirm it is his video. So he said that um he has some ideas of what maybe happened if that was the case. But we'll get into that here in a second. Turns out there's actually a lot of problems with the necklace narrative. There is one thing I'd like you to keep in mind as we watch this. And how is it that three pendants that are freely looped onto this gold chain stay on this gold chain as it's explosively bull? >> So, as you look here, you can see this is his main chain. And a lot of you were asking, you know, what like do you know what necklace he had? And actually, now that we're here, I'll go ahead and show that here really quick, too. So, we have got to move these things around here. All right, here we go. All right, so this is the I should be able to zoom in. Yep. So, this was the original image that a lot of people saw. And you can see his main uh main cross. And I don't know if you can really see pendants or not. I mean, this could be a bunch of artifacts. This has probably been compressed a thousand times before it got out. But originally, it looked like part of it was damaged. So, we were thinking, hey, maybe they put explosive on it or something, right? And then this is kind of a closer up of what she's showing. And you can see I thought this originally was damaged down here, but it's not. It's completely intact. Now, could they have done it after the fact? 100%. She could have had two versions of it. One was what was used and then Frank made sure he got it, right? I'm not saying Frank is guilty, but allegedly, you know, Frank grabbed it out of the truck or whatever from the police from the Suburban and then now she has this one and it could be a completely different one. And we know that the night before she had his necklace, so she usually could have swapped them, right? Allegedly. So, this is what we're going to be talking about here in a second. But this piece here is on the right side and this piece here is on the left side when we watch these videos. So, if anything touched his neck, then it would have been either this or this edge here. And I don't know if a lot of you remember, but I covered this theory early on with someone named Cali Cook. And some of it starting to come full circle now, some of the stuff that he was saying. But some people were asking, "What was Charlie's necklace like before?" Uh, hopefully you can see that. I'm trying to zoom in on it. But this is him on a boat. And you can see, as far as I can tell, there's no pendants on it. So, this is just, you know, just the necklace uh or just the pendant itself. And then the necklace, there's no additional items on it. And when you look at his cross and stuff here, it kind of looks the same, but I guess if they're flat, you might not see it, right? So, you can see that that looks to be the proper one. That looks to be the one he actually wore. >> [snorts] >> And I'll zoom in here just to show you that it's not broken. I originally thought it was. So that's that's all those pieces there. Now, let me switch over to here. And here we go. Okay. Thanks for being patient with me. I'm still getting Streamyard up and running. And by the way, they did have a bug. It's with Safari. So, just so you know, if you're if you're a streamer and you do this stuff, you're a content creator and you're bringing people on from mobile if they are using Safari, then that can cause problems that we have with audio. Just so you know. All right. So, now a lot of you have seen the Chris Martinson stuff here. Definitely go out to Peak Prosperity and subscribe. He has some great content. He gets very deep. But I just want to show that cavitation really quick because to me based on what we're seeing, the cavitation he does here and same with Ranger Day Bro, how it breaks the chain and makes the shirt puff out and everything. It looks like that could be legitimate, right? But then the explosion also looks similar. So give me one second here to a 60° angle. Let's see what happens. Let's watch this together. That's what it looks like in in real speed, right? So that's what you would see if you were just hanging around as a human watching this. That's too fast. What What happened? That's the shot. It's over. Now let's slow it down. This is at 260 frames per second. This is frame one. Frame two. Frame three. You can already see that the chain is broken and out. Frame five. Oh, look. The t-shirt is now behind independently fly. Now, he's doing a great job of explaining it. I don't need to reiterate what he's saying. And a lot of you saying like, "This is real cool." Yeah. Like, yeah, this is this is what happens even faster than I can really see it. And if the camera catches it, it's lucky. If you have a high-speed cam, obviously you can catch all of it. But, um, here it's a slow-mo here. And you're just seeing how much deformation of the body there is. Now, ballistic is going to be a little bit different than the real human body because obviously we have muscles and tendons and connective tissue and fascia and bones, but it's very similar. Now, I was pretty convinced of the motion of this and I was also pretty convinced of this, you know, similar type of motion from the mic exploding, but based on what John Brain, some other people have shown, it looks like the shirt moves before the wound, which you would not expect from a gunshot. With a gunshot, you would expect to see the hole first and the damage and then you would see the cavitation. Now, could it be something with the speed that it happens at and the cameras and frame rates and everything? Maybe. But I just want to show you how this looks. dying away. Look at all this violence. It It's hard to appreciate. Look at that neck's elongating. This is what happens when 2,000 plus foot-lb of energy is dumped into a a 40lb block like >> So, you see that chain breaking. You see the shirt flying up. You see complete deformation of this thing. So, I wanted to show you that first. Now, with the explosion, one thing that's really interesting is um if you look at, see, this is John. So, this is John Bray. And obviously, go check these people out. Go subscribe to them. They're doing a lot of work in the investigation. Always want to give shout outs to those people. Um this is showing I believe um the white puff of smoke or like the what people originally said they thought uh yeah, just like to this right here. So, Ruth Peltzer, you know, you're saying that Charlie Charlie's not dead. There's no evidence to prove he is. That's kind of where this piece comes in. Right? You see this white kind of puff? I'll show you that really quick. You'll see it up here. And I think he also gets closer right here. So, it's very subtle, but the reason I'm showing you that is because our friend Jordan Henshaw, and Jordan, I don't know if you're in the chat. If you are, uh, you're doing some great investigative work here, but check him out. Jordan Henshaw, he is, uh, building up pretty quick. Had a couple videos that took off, but he basically is trying to recreate the faked death theory, right? So, he's saying that um, you know, it was a why can't I think of the word? It was it was the prosthetic, right? So, you're saying it was the prosthetic and um that it was like an air powered rifle or some kind of pneumatic uh CO2 cartridge or something similar. So, I just want to show this here really quick >> and then I'm going to talk about what I think I figured out about the necklace, right? And you see the puff. Let me see if I can like get this to an exact Nope, it won't let me get to an exact spot. But you see kind of like that the shirt puffs up, right? And then it shows kind of that gas that's in this case it's CO2 popping out. And you know, it's interesting, right? Because it's getting to the point now where there's so many different theories and people are working so hard to make theirs work within the confines of what's available that it's starting to, you know, honestly it's making people a little bit more confused to be honest. But um in this case, yeah, it can be remote controlled. Um, Michelle Crawford, it can't be remote controlled. Yeah, but he's using an actual like handgun that is uh down under his shirt to kind of prove the point, but I thought it was very interesting. He has another video I can't show, [laughter] right? He has one I definitely cannot show. Um, but it is him. He has the squib and everything, right? Um, yeah, if you get a chance, head over and and uh sub to Jordan. And a lot of people don't know this, but Jordan actually he and I have been messaging back and forth about all the different theories pretty in-depth for months. So, um, he's not new on the scene. He's been behind the scenes for a long time. And I'm glad that he's actually getting a chance to, you know, bring his his stuff to the light. Um, let's see. And I may I may try to have him on the show as well to kind of tell his theory and show some of his stuff. But, um, he did do the squib with the blood coming around and then, you know, timing it with the shirt. So he made the shirt pop up. He made kind of the the white powder or, you know, the white mist, whatever you want to call it, come out. And then he had the blood squirt out and it looked pretty similar to what we saw. And then he, you know, does the the face and everything. Now, can you act that stuff out and make it work how you want? Sure. But I think it's really interesting that it looks very similar for the people that still think he's he might be alive or that, you know, he faked it in some kind of way. All right. So now I want to talk about the different pieces of this. And here we go. This right here. So this is kind of what we're looking at on Charlie. So this this main piece here that you can see on the right, that's the big magnet that you see on his uh chest. And then underneath you see this metal clasp that's kind of I'm pointing at the screen like you can see me pointing. Um there's a metal kind of like hook underneath it. And that hooks onto the road mic, right? So that hooks onto this guy here. So the reason I'm showing you that is because I found something very interesting that Sam Parker was talking about in his video that kind of changed my mind on some things. So you can see that big magnet there and you can see kind of the squarish outline. Hopefully you can see my mouse, but you can see that kind of squarish outline here, right? So, in multiple different pictures, you can see that. And then you see here people are talking about this kid holding this microphone [snorts] and they said it looked bigger than a microphone. I think the reason it looks bigger than a microphone is because of this, right? And this is a removable like little wind cover that goes on it. And I think that's why it looks bulkier. And if anyone who's ever done any type of um outdoor filming, you have to have like 100% have to have wind control. You have to have they call it a dead cat over your microphone or else you're going to get a bunch of wind noise. So whether he had it under his shirt or not, he would have had something like that 100%. So I believe that's what we're seeing. And then I believe there's a couple zoomins here. Yeah. So to me that looks like the fluffy part combined with the microphone itself. So, um I mean definitely put it down in the comments if you disagree, but um I'm kind of sold on that at this point, I guess. So, let's go ahead and finish watching this >> blown >> Sam Parker video. >> So, >> um this is basically talking about the necklace, but the part that he shows about the magnet is what I really want to focus on. >> When we first started dating, I um I asked him, I was like, "Why don't you wear a cross?" Like, "Why you say you're a Christian, but you don't wear a cross?" He's like, "I don't know. I don't really I'm not a jewelry guy. And I was like, I understand. So, for his first birthday present, I got him this cross. And then throughout time, I would always add different metals to it. And so, he always he loved St. Michael. And so, um yeah, every time he put this on, he just felt like it was his it was his armor. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's really sweet. >> So, here are a couple close-ups of Charlie wearing that necklace from the day of the assassination. Pay close attention to how it is actually running by the road wireless microphone underneath his shirt. Now, we're going to look at the necklace being blown apart from various different angles. And I want you to keep in mind, how is it that this necklace didn't fall to the ground after it's blown apart? And what blew it apart in the first place? And really, did all three of these pendants stay on the necklace, or did one or more of them get blown off? Notice here how the necklace is undulating in a wavelike motion. As the pennant swooshes up over his left shoulder, the gold chain is is looping downward. And that's part of this overall whipping undulation motion that we see throughout all of this footage. Notice again here how the necklace is actually still attached at his shirt collar somehow and dangling to the ground, but doesn't fall. Here we see the necklace ruptured from another angle. And you can see it's already doing that undulating wavelike motion as we proceed through the frames. From this frontward angle, we're going to be able to see the necklace rupture and whip around his head. And we're also going to see the emergence of the cross and possibly even the St. Michael's shieldshaped pendant. Now, as we're kind of getting into this part of the video, I want you to pay attention really close to this magnet. in previous videos and apparently some are doctorred. We found out um there's this basically the same video that's being passed around and some seem like they have some AI stuff maybe edited on them or some artifacts because they've been overcompressed. This one though, this is uh this one and the one that I will show in a minute both to me confirm that the magnet does not fly off of the shirt. So, let's let's keep watching >> from under the collar. Here we get the first glimpse of the ruptured necklace whipping. Here we see the cross pendant emerging from Charlie's collar and it looks to be fully intact. You can see three of the four prongs and the fourth prong looks to be pulling the shirt. So it's would seem that it's still fully intact. This would suggest that it was not made into an explosive or it was not destroyed by an explosive because it it's still completely intact. >> Now I would agree with that. Typically the only rebuttal I have to that is what if she had more than one? So, what if she swapped it the night before it blew up? They go to the vehicle, someone grabs it, make sure that it's not discovered or taken as evidence, and then she has another one identical to it that she's going around and showing. But let's keep going. In a few moments, we're also going to see that it's several inches away from the actual neck wound. Okay, I'm not positive about what this is, but it looks like it could be the shield medallion cuz it looks like it's kind of rounded and then comes to a point. Now, let's get an even closer look at the sequence. Note the round hole in Charlie's neck. I'm wondering if that isn't the round medallion from necklace that makes that entry wound. We saw the cross and possibly the shield medallion off to the side, but we never did get a glimpse of that round medallion. Maybe it's buried inside Charlie's neck. Maybe that's one of the reasons why the blood comes out in such a weird pattern. Did whatever explosive force that ruptured the necklace send the round medallion into Charlie's neck? Again, we can clearly see though that the cross emerges from the shirt collar. Looks like it's fully intact and I don't think it makes the wound because it's a Now, did you see that? So, the necklace is up. The wound shows just here in a second. And you can clearly see the magnet up here. So, the magnet did not fly across up that angle into the neck as far as I can tell based on these videos. And I have another one, like I said, that I'll show you that basically I think confirms that. Um, what was behind his ears? That was his necklace flying around. All right. So, let me see if I can show this here. >> Fully intact. And I don't think it makes the wound because it's a few inches off to the side. Plus, I would think that if that stabbed him in the neck, that would get buried in there. It wouldn't it wouldn't come back out. So, I I'm inclined to think that neither the shield medallion nor the cross is what made that wound. Again, I'm thinking if any one of those three medallions made the wound, it's most likely that small round St. Michael's medallion. Okay. Now, remember, some of you are newer and everyone that's come in, you know, welcome to the channel. We're covering a couple different pieces of theories, but um if you didn't see the beginning, I shot some frangible ammo and u I'll let you decide for yourself, but basically kind of debunk that theory that uh it would still work with a frangible, but um with where we're at now, I want to show you the original Let me see if I can find them here. The original emails. I have to be careful how I share these because there's some uh inappropriate stuff for the stream. Pull this off. Okay, so I don't know if you remember, but Cali Cuckul, I have the pendant theory on my channel, and we I think we did three videos on it, but it was this mystery person who to this day I have never met. I've never officially talked to. I don't know if they're an agent. I have no idea, but they came in and the original theory was that the shot came from the back and that's kind of like the Jason Goodman um angle as well and caused the damage and that would explain kind of like the cavitation on the back of the head and the shirt puffing out in the back first and those type of things, right? But he like this here, right? So, if there's an explosion in the front or a gunshot either way, how do we explain this? And if you watch the range day bro video, you can really see the ballistic gel when it's um having the cavitation really bulges out like that. It basically in that same spot. So does this, you know, this is kind of strange if it was an explosion. It makes a little bit more sense maybe with a gunshot because we saw the same thing on the Rain Day bro video, but it's still kind of a mystery. Kind of strange. And then he talks about, you know, the necklace whipping around and stuff. But was interesting is he actually originally thought that the necklace stayed in his neck. And the reason he thinks that is because there's articles that said it, not his neck, but they said they had to rip it from his body. They had to rip the necklace from his body. So it was already broken. So clearly they're not talking about ripping it off of him in general. So what kind of ripping did they have to do? Now, based on the video that we saw, we don't see anything stick in his neck and stay there, right? We see something kind of show, but we talked about the explosion and maybe a piece of the magnet or something going into the neck. Could it be that a piece of the pendant, one of those two extra pendants that were on there with the cross? Could one of those have went into his neck and caused the same type of bleeding like John was talking about? So, Cali Coug was talking about all this stuff and had very detailed drawings and and everything, right? So, I thought it was interesting that that that is kind of coming back full circle. But, so again, we see the mic and the magnet. Um, we already covered that. Covered that. Yeah. So, this here, so this is kind of what you would expect to see, but on the inside for Charlie. Now, the issue that I'm seeing with this, and uh Sam Parker talks about the clasp as well, you know, why why would those pendants have not just fallen off? Like the extra pendants, wouldn't they be on the ground or something? I guess it depends on which way it fell. But, um, getting further into it, I was thinking to myself, I was like, okay, so let's say that there's this explosion and let me share [clears throat] this. All right. So, on this one, and I think I cleaned this up to make sure it's safe. I did. Okay. Yeah. Never want to do that. All right. So, if you watch this video, I really want you to watch this this magnet. All right. Cuz it it almost looks like it disappears for a second. And that's very, very important. >> Great. >> Okay. Now, you saw it move up, right? So, you saw it move up there, right? So, it's up towards his neck. Then you see it come back and you can actually see the edge of it there. Right above the R. If you go straight up from the R, you can see that the magnet's still there. And for the magnet to be there, that means that the clasp on the back of the magnet also has to be there cuz the magnet's not just going to stick to his cloth of his shirt, right? And and you could still see it there, too. You can see it slightly. It's like right above the R. You can see the slight edge of it. And then there you see it as he's falling over. It's up and to the right of the R. And you can see the F is folded behind. So a lot of people were saying, well, no, like it flew off and it went into his neck and and even John initially said that. Then after we talked today, now he's thinking that, you know, the mic flew off and it maybe exploded under his shirt and then that caused a piece of of shrapnel from the actual back um the actual mic to go up into his neck. But it's pretty clear based on this video. And by the way, this is his this is his video. So this is his sourced video. Um the other one was the one Sam Parker was using. So multiple videos have shown the same thing. So um and I see people talking about, you know, definitely an explosion and that kind of stuff. Yeah. I mean it could have been an explosion, but what I'm showing here is that the mic doesn't it doesn't fly into his neck. It stays on his shirt. And if you know anything about these explosions, they are insanely powerful and very quick. So that begs the question if there's a super fast explosion. So let's say we have no you have the mic here and you have this magnet right I don't know how well you can see that probably not that well but if you have this here now say this explodes away super fast right and this this shape charge or whatever type of explosion it was say that happens right and then this blows off I would expect for sure at a minimum I would expect the magnet to either be blown off of it or my other question was if it blows off so fast, would it just disconnect from the magnet and fall off? Cuz we see the whole shirt move together like this. So if the shirt is blowing this way and then the magnet kind of comes back, I don't know if you know, I would assume a shape charge is significantly stronger than that. So that to me is making me question that theory a little bit. I'm not completely out, but the fact that, you know, the magnet is still on his shirt and then it moves up this way. It's kind of hard to do this on camera. Moves this way and it comes back down and you see the F of his shirt fold over, right? So, what you're basically seeing is his shirt is folding like this or the opposite way actually. It's folding like this and the mic is back here and the F on his shirt is gone. Now remember a lot of people were saying, "Oh, the F was, you know, digitally altered because with AI because the F disappeared." Well, no, the shirt folds. And that's what I basically saw today as I was going through these videos and Sam Parker was pointing out. So that to me makes me question more about the the uh mic theory. Like I said, I'm not 100% out, but it definitely makes me think really hard about it again. And I'll show it one more time, and then we'll move on to the next stuff. Now, did you see you see it kind of recoil and come back? Watch it one more time. >> So, that is very interesting to me. Now, um John said there could possibly have been a couple different charges. So, maybe like you said, one charge kind of moved it away from the body and the second charge would be the actual um the actual shape charge. that may have like, you know, basically cut a hole in him. That could be possible. And it could be possible that, you know, the the entire mic piece, this just, you know, came off of the clip and the magnet, which are still clearly on the shirt. And maybe this blew up and maybe that is what caused the shrapnel that went into the neck. And that could still obviously cause some polygonal shapes like he said he saw from the the blood coming out. And obviously we're not going to show that here, but I did a quick search and I said, "Can you because you know people talking about the jewelry, can you make this piece of jewelry do what we saw?" And of course, this is Grock. I know you guys have mixed feelings about this kind of stuff, but it says integrating a full remote system, receiver, detonator, and battery. So, a lot of people are talking about PETN. You can't only do PETN. You have to have some way to detonate it. Um, but putting that in a necklace without obvious bulk or weight is extremely difficult for non-state actors, but possible for advanced operations, aka intelligence agencies. Simple remote methods. People are asking, can you do this remotely? Radio frequency from nearby could work if the receiver is tiny and hidden in the clasp or the pendant. So clearly if this was doing something similar to this, they would have to have taken or created something that looks identical that he would put on that morning. That's the only way it would work because it's it's so intricate and you would have to hide it so that he wouldn't have any idea. So if this is, you know, the allegation is that this happened, it it says it's possible. It's just not easy. So it would take someone very advanced to do something like this. So, as I was going through, um, I was asking the sound because this is this is another piece that we're going into. Um, Audio Freak, I think I saw you in the audience there as well. Make sure you guys go check out Audio Freak. He's done some awesome work here and, uh, he just released a new video today, so make sure you go watch that. But, um, I was curious like, you know, is there anything in the audio that we've seen so far that would indicate some kind of explosion? And he basically says no. And then Algeist, many of you guys know Algeist. We also went through with him and we did Hey Audio Freak, what's up man? What time is it there? It's not too late, is it? Um, but and then Algeist also he agreed with him. He said that I don't see anything in the audio forensics that shows any type of explosion in that area. So I wanted to make sure because I was like maybe it's quiet. Maybe it's some kind of quiet explosion. Well, it says overall sound is a large sharp bang or report. Okay. And we're talking about 0.1 to 1 g, maybe even two in this case. It says in summary, the detonation itself breaks the sound barrier, which is interesting because I was thinking like, you know, the the crack bang, right? So you the the bullet breaks the sound barrier and you hear the bullet and the crack separately, right? As it passes by you, then it has that mock cone that passes past you. So it says by driving supersonic shock, but the audible result is a powerful explosive bang, not an additional or distinct supersonic crack. So it's saying that an explosion would have a different signature even if it was supersonic than a bullet, right? So, that's pretty important because we're looking at audio forensics from multiple different people and they're saying that it doesn't match for an explosion or a firework or anything like that. Someone did ask about um Adam Bartholome stuff with the the speakers being caught and Matt was saying basically from Audio Freak, that's his name, awesome name by the way. He was basically saying that like yeah like you would be able to tell the difference but he thinks that the speakers is just the original gunshot sound being caught in it which could be the bullet and stuff passing the mock cone passing that and then getting picked up. So I thought that was very interesting. This is the video from audio freak again. Go check him out, subscribe, show him some love. But today he was showing that shooter location 3 did not work if I'm remembering that correctly. Yeah, location 3 does not fit the audio. So, if you remember, this was the Chris Martinson location. So, the Chris Martinson location so far, and I I believe Matt, correct me if you're if you're not completely 100% done, but based on what you've shown so far, it is not Yeah, his ugly mug. That's what he's saying in the chat. Um, but number three does not pass, right? So, remember the Losi center didn't pass. And now the Sorenson center, which is this one here, didn't pass. And if you're not familiar with what those are, the Losi is this one down here on the bottom. This is where they say Tyler was. And then if you come in, move to the side a little bit, rotate. This is the Sorenson shot right here. This is a Dr. Martinson shot that he was talking about or somewhere somewhere up here, right? Uh somewhere possible. And it did have a clear line of sight, but he's saying the audio doesn't m doesn't match that. And then he also says um reflections matter more than labels. And importantly, there's no evidence of an explosion at Charlie's position. An explosion would produce a very different acoustic signature and reflection pattern. The recorded audio shows propagating sound across the courtyard, not a localized blast. Okay. Multiple microphones hearing the same initial event rules out a contained or redirected explosion. So, he's saying that across multiple microphones and audio sources that are in this courtyard, it doesn't line up with an explosion. Now, I'm not 100% against the exploding mic theory. Clearly, we just had John on and this doesn't like to debunk John. I just have some other questions because you know if the audio forensics is saying that it doesn't match and algeist agreed and then you have your um you know the magnet staying in place which would mean that the mic itself separated from the magnet and did its own thing. Um there's a couple other pieces that need to be like kind of dug into more. Um, but having said all that, um, very interesting. I did not think I would be doing a live stream today semi-debunking multiple theories. Uh, yeah. So, I'm interested to hear your thoughts for sure on this. Um, yeah, that's a rough one. Um, let's look at some of these questions here. And of course, don't forget to like and subscribe and share this around. Definitely appreciate everyone being here. And I know people are asking about the Candace thing again, let me pull that up. So, if you're not familiar with X, if you don't have a X or previous Twitter account, it's basically um it's called a space and it's basically a um like a blog. It's like a or like a podcast, right? Um it's a podcast where a bunch of people can jump in together and they can debate things. And Candace in this case will be running it. Let me share the screen over here. So it's this here. So if you go to Candace Owens on X and you know there's a reminder set right now but once it starts you'll see a bunch of people in there. You can join anonymously or you can join as yourself and you can request to talk. That's the important piece. So she's obviously going to run it or you know a co-host with her and she can decide who gets to talk and who doesn't. But the important thing is people can debate and I think she's kind of already said let me double check here. She said automatically disqualified to speak if you're trying to sell the 306 bullet magic neck theory. So they don't want to hear about that. So that's just the only caveat there. But uh definitely check it out. I I think it's going to be interesting. This this is kind of a replacement for her podcast because we know she's out this week for vacation. I think it's going to be crazy personally. Um let me start looking at some of these questions here. A lot of questions. All right. So, first let me update this poll here. Let's see the first one. So, the first poll was, do you believe the audio forensics play an important role in the investigation? It says 84% of you said yes. So now based on that, if 84% of you say yes and audio freak and algeist and some other people agree from the audio perspective that it doesn't match an explosion based on the caveat, based on the exact angles, audio sources, and the quality of those sources that they have, um, would that change your mind about the exploding mic theory knowing that there's pieces of plastic in the vehicle and they they paved over the spot? You know, there's a there's a lot of things that are conflicting here. So, I just want to put this stuff out there so people could decide for themselves and maybe dig in deeper, right? Because a lot of you are investigating this as well. All right. Now, new poll. Is the mic theory still credible? All right. Yes. Someone is asking if I can get Elgist and Jordan together. Um, I am speaking to both of them at the moment to see if we can get something organized. All right, let's go ahead and look at questions now. Eric was hanging Charlie's cross chain out the car window after he died. Was that the original one? Uh, there's no way to know. Um, she could have definitely had more than one. It could It could have been the original. I don't know. Let's see. It's not just turning into dust and going to become impossible to find. Yeah. So, the French round, the one that hit the cinder block, it didn't just like turn to powder like you see in some of those like high-speed ballistic videos. There were definitely some chunks of bullet. And if you remember, obviously the reports have been kind of debunked at this point from Andrew, but he did say originally that there was a a piece of a bullet, like some shrapnel basically, and that would fit with a you know, we'll say a 306 in this case. Some people thought it was like a 5.56 sounding gun, but that would fit theoretically if it was frangible. I've covered a lot of this stuff. That was thorough. Good for me. It seems if the necklace was truly a weapon, Frank would have switched it or never mentioned finding it. Um, I think him saying he found it and they have it is more of like a cover. If he if it just disappeared and no one never talked about it and it was never seen again, then it might be pretty obvious that that was uh what was used, right? It's a form of damage control. Yeah. Always thought the sound didn't relate to a gunshot 150 yards away. Um I believe Audio Freak and some others have put it more like 50 m within uh 50 meters of Charlie. So for this for French bullet or plastic particles I don't believe there was enough from what I saw I don't think there was enough particles on the the floor of the vehicle to account for just one ballistic bullet or one frangible bullet I should say. So that's kind of strange as well. Someone else actually this is interesting. Someone else had a uh an email that they sent me and she said it's symbolism too because you have the pieces of plastic or whatever it may be on the floor of the vehicle next to yellow candies which may have been mints or whatever it was or you know lozenes. But someone says that's could be symbolism right you have yellow which is I guess Candace's favorite color and it's candy like Candace and she was putting that together saying maybe it was like a message. Thought that was very interesting. Yeah, I think a lot of people agree with Eugene. They're just reverse engineering the narrative. They're trying to make the gunshot fit because everyone else basically was like, there's no way a regular 306 is going to fit this. Savannah Barbi, thanks for the super sticker. Yeah. I mean B so based on what we saw Tim fangible round it it didn't even I mean it hit the beef. It hit the bone but straight through that and it didn't actually break up until it hit the concrete behind it. I'm trying to get closer to some newer questions. Let's see. Thanks Marty Beck for super chat. Let's see. You said you were censored last night on Baron for saying how I would design a mic that stuck to his chest. Here too. Uh, I don't know about here too. I I don't know if you were censored by YouTube, but you're not censored by me. And I I don't think um I don't think Baron would censor you for that either, just for having an opinion on it. U I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. You're saying you would have the mic stuck on his chest. This one was stuck on his shirt, but um thanks for the super chat. Let's see. Yeah. So that [laughter] so that fruit the entry and exit looked identical to me and the exit and entry looked kind of similar to what we saw on Charlie. It was like a you know a bigger hole that was kind of rough. So that's that's the part of the whole frangible round theory that really caught my attention. But the fact that he just went straight through and shattered on the concrete behind it tells me that a 30 out 6 at 140 yards would probably just go straight through. There's always a slight chance because it's coming down at an angle like 10° that maybe the angle would make it break up more as it hits, you know, maybe if it hits the vertebrae it would shift differently and act differently inside a human body. I mean, you have living tissue in a human body and obviously once an animal's dead, all the tissue and everything starts to break down. So that's a part of this too. Let's see. Okay. So this frangible um you said Hornady Vmax farm it. This was um this one was Fiochi. It's just called Fiochi Frangible and it was 45 grain which answers that question there. It was 45. Yep. Let's see. We have audio freak. Like what? I'm guessing that was from the shooting. [snorts] Okay. So, I'm seeing a lot of these type of messages saying they were a Vajala fan, but he flipped. [sighs] So, so, so yeah. So, I'm not I don't like message or talk to any of those channels. Um, I reached out to them early on when I had like 30,000 subscribers and uh, no one responded back to me, but obviously, you know, they've uh, shouted out to me on their channels and I've messaged them through super chats and stuff like that. I don't think that he flipped. I think that what he heard really bothered him a lot. And I think that's why we saw him very aggressive and emotional about it. And I think that's why, like he said, one and done, right? He he just covered it and then he moved on. And there's other pieces of that that I'll probably I'll probably do a live tomorrow or Wednesday that I really want to get into. Uh excuse me. I really want to get deeper into the Mitch stuff because I have a sneak like I have a suspicion that and actually an article as well that basically say the opposite. It says that the women were abusing him and his kid and the women have abused multiple people and accused multiple people of abusing them. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. That's why I want to wait till tomorrow to cover that because I don't want to jump on it and find out that it's like some fake article or something. Yeah, I thought this was a pretty interesting episode. It covers a lot of different things and uh I don't want to make it be, you know, too busy, too much stuff going on, but um I tried to cover it as best as I could to make it make sense as well. Has anyone done the squib tube compressed air test to see if it matches? Yes, Jordan Henshaw. Uh Jordan, see if I can pull it up again and see if I still have it. I do. So, this right here, if you want to if you want to dig into that stuff, Jordan does a really good job of covering it. And uh [laughter] not everyone agrees with him. They don't all agree with what he says. Um he and I disagree on several things, but he is consistent and very persistent. And you can see here, he covers, you know, the exploding mic theory debunked. He has the necklace movement in the shirt testing this one. I got assassinated. He actually tests out the blood and everything else. So, um, he gets pretty he gets pretty into it. So, if you want to dig into that kind of stuff, like the compressed air and the squib tube, I believe he's the only one that's doing it that I've seen. So, he would be your source. William, thanks for the super chat. EOD Tech, not a shaped charge, not a frangible bullet. Still imparts energy if no exit. Was a shot through the black plastic seat base vertically up through his seat. his neck was frag or bone. Okay. So, if if it shot through the seat, because I thought about this, too, and there's a couple images that show like a like not necessarily holes, but they show definitely like little black pieces under the chair that are off. And I figured that was just from wear and tear over time, maybe, but I would think it would hit his legs and stuff first before it ever got anywhere near his neck. That's the only piece of that theory that I thought was um probably not very realistic. Thanks for the super chat. Oh, nice. Jesse and Firebought, I think eight rounds of French 30 out 6 from the 1940s. Supposed to test it tomorrow. I would love to see that. Uh Jesse, yeah, if you can make that happen, I would love to see if you get a similar result to me or maybe they break up. Now, the fact that they're from the 1940s, there's a higher chance they'd break up, right? Cuz they've been breaking down. They've been exposed to different temperatures and all that kind of stuff. So maybe we can get that to work. Yep, Jordan's doing a great job. Would he know how to fake the cordic posture? He actually does that. Jordan does that in his video. So definitely check that out. I covered the debate. Um it's possible the pending got magnetized. It might clip. Uh possibly depending on the metal, some of those ones like nickel and certain things, um don't quote me, I'm not like a a metal smith or anything, but I think some of those uh different metals aren't very magnetic, but it's possible. Can't the clip and magnet stay in the shirt but might explode? Yes, that that is basically what John is saying uh William is that he thinks that you know the the shape charge and the different things he's already talked about happened but that the mic itself in a couple images he sent me looks like maybe the mic the overall square shape of it is falling down. So maybe maybe the shape charge and everything went off and did what it was supposed to do and then the rest of the mic falls down and then we still see obviously the magnet and the clip are still on the shirt. three African violet. Thank you for testing the bullets in the cold. Yep. Thanks for the super chat. Um yeah, I mean the stuff we do for you guys, you know, for the the whole community. Like I said, Jesse and Heavy Duty Country were out there. I don't know what the temperature was, but they were wearing tank tops and stuff. So, uh they were living it up compared to how we do out here in the Midwest. Did I see the Taylor uh Tyler Robinson hearing today? I saw parts of it. I I know they're still debating on the news. So, who gets to stay in there? Are they going to let u media have full access and that kind of stuff? So, they haven't really gotten into the the official hearing at all. And from what I've heard from some other people, some lawyers and stuff is that it could take a year. I mean, it could, you know, it could be a very long drawn out process. Let's see. Split hair. If the mic moves from explosion, wouldn't the magnet fall off? From a traditional explosion, you would expect you would expect this to just fly away. And actually, there's a guy I always forget his name. There's a guy on YouTube that tests it. Um, he actually like uses some kind of little mini explosive and blows up under the shirt, but the mic always flies away. It's always It always goes away from his body. So, for this, this is a different kind of explosion. It's directional. So, in theory, like I was saying, I would think that if it happens that fast, and we're talking insanely fast, way faster than a bullet, right? Way faster than the speed of sound, if it moved that fast, and there's a shape charge, it would move the mic very fast. And I would expect that that magnet would not stay attached. But we also saw that the clip was still there, or else the magnet would have stuck to the shirt. So, there's some strange things happening under that shirt. Um, obviously we don't know all the details. I know Baron has some pictures that other people haven't seen. Maybe that would help explain some of it. But, uh, yeah, the mic stayed there for sure, which means the clip stayed there. Yeah. And this kind of covers it, too. Makes a tiny jet stream not a blast like a hand grenade. Ruth Peltzer, what about when he raised his arm pointed at the camera overhead while he's bleeding out? Uh this this was interesting. This um that video. So there's one that's kind of cropped in originally and it looks like, you know, h