Tucker Carlson Hosts Charlie Kirk Show, Reveals the Christian Faith That Defined a Modern Prophet

faithfulness. There is no river that runs wide as your goodness. [Music] Man, Charlie, uh, I I remember when we were starting these out and it was that like that. No, it was like this. It was like it was like your average three rows. It was like your average political meeting where there was like 12 people in a room and uh, this is this is awesome. This, in my personal opinion, was the most over-the-top Trump event that I've ever covered. This is the number one boots on the ground operation in the country. We're working directly in harmony with the Trump campaign. It's been vetted. It's been cleared. It's been blessed as you can see there. And we're going to try to win this thing. No guarantees. It's what we do that matters. Mr. President, I can tell you this room is 100% with you and we have your back. God bless you. Thank you. [Music] [Applause] [Music] As you know, we are heading on campus here momentarily at the University of South Florida, throwing it down with the students. It's going to be a lot of fun. Uh we are excited to continue this cultural movement that we have started at Turning Point USA. More high school chapters, more college chapters, and disagreement is not just welcome, it is invited. We want to have those tough conversations. That's what it's all about. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] because you're not supposed to be involved in this. You're supposed to just kind of be on the vote for me every four years, give me more political power, and stay out of my business. And what has happened is we are seeing an explosion in citizen participation. There is nothing [Music] [Applause] all my days your mercy. [Music] [Applause] Oh, there is nothing else I'll ever need. Knock on that extra door. Go that extra mile. talk to that extra friend because throughout voting month and culminating on the 5th of November, I believe it will go down as a day that people remember, as a day that is written about history books, as the final battle from the golden escalator on down. From defeating Hillary Clinton, from the nonsense of 2020, from Butler, Pennsylvania, November 5th, it all culminates where we restore the promise that the founders gave us. and they said, "Hey, if the people want it, the people get it, and we the people take back America. God bless Arizona." And thank you so much. [Music] Every day, the American people demand certain accomplishments and victories. Disagreement is what keeps a movement alive, keeps a movement fun. Here in this country, we are a country of flourishing. We're a country of risk-taking. We're a country of building. We will achieve American greatness. And we are just getting started. All my days your mercy follow me. [Music] [Music] [Music] Every day there's a battle for your mind raging. Information coming from every angle with the will to deceive. Fear not. You found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. Ah, that intro made me emotional. It's Tucker Carlson. I'm honored to be sitting in uh to host the Charlie Kirk show today. I was I flew in um from the east coast last night and was thinking about what to do today for two hours and there's all this very ugly drama swirling uh around the Republican party, the right, the memory of Charlie Kirk and I just thought and I've got of course strong opinions. I have strong opinions about everything and I've expressed them but I I thought I really need a break from that and I don't think that any of it reflects who Charlie was fundamentally. Who was Charlie fundamentally? who was a Christian man and Jesus was the center of his life. That was obvious to anyone who knew him. It emerged in conversation immediately when you talked to him. That's that's just a fact about Charlie. His life was about following Jesus, period. And so I think the best way to explain who he was is to spend the next two hours talking about Jesus and Charlie's relationship with him. And so I'm going to be really happy to do that. This will be the happiest conversation about Charlie Kirk, I hope. uh all week and so as I said I'm hosting but I have no idea how the show works. I literally don't know. Um though I've I've done it but luckily Andrew and Blake are here who I know very well. Um I've actually worked with Blake for years in another life. We're both grateful to be gone from that. Uh but Andrew is really going to be like running in and out. We have these things called breaks and you've got commercials and all that. Yeah, we got a show to run here. Okay. Show but you know what? She's not suited. But listen, we'll blow the brakes when we have to. So, if you're watching on stream, if you're watching on uh Real America's Voice, you're watching on one, you know, a video platform, you'll probably be fine. We're just going to we're just going to have fun today. Good. Well, I with you in charge of the details, I know that that will happen. Correct. Blake, it's wonderful to see you. We talked on the phone the other day. I've been thinking about you every single day. Um so, I hope you're holding up and I'm and I'm grateful that you're here. So, uh yeah, I want to talk about Charlie's relationship with with Jesus. And I'm amazed going I have a whole list of thoughts or sound bites here. I asked for Charlie talking about God in public and I'm just kind of amazed what came back. I mean there really is a deluge. Yeah, it was unbelievable because there's really no one in public life who talked about Jesus more than Charlie Kirk. And I'll just now I'm revealing one of my ugly biases, but some of the people whose job it is to talk about Jesus are not um you know, I don't think as credible and believable. I'm just being honest as I think Charlie was. He really meant it. He wasn't being paid to say it. I think everything that he did, everything that he thought, the way he lived were all informed by his love of Jesus. And I don't think I'm overstating, and I I said this to him recently when he was at my house in Maine. I really You remind me of Paul, like you never stop. I stop. I like to I like to go fishing. I like to go bird hunting. Like to hang out on Saturday morning in bed with my wife and like, you know, BS with my wife and all that stuff. But Charlie just did not allow himself any of that. He was so driven and you can see it now maybe as part of a larger plan where he never wasted a minute. He he forced himself to get on the airplane and to do things that were really really hard in a way that I've never done. I'll just admit it. Um, and I think that was because he felt God had a plan for him, that he was on a mission. It wasn't just about getting somebody elected. It was about something bigger than that. Am I Well, just ask you first, Andrew, and then Blake. Do you think that's I'm reading too much into it, or do you think that's right? No, I I totally agree. And I've had I've had wave after wave of revelation of what we were actually doing. You know, I was so in the weeds, we were so in the weeds that it was impossible to fully understand even what we were doing. But I, you know, I'm I and and I I Charlie and I bonded at the very earliest days because we were both like really strong Christians and that was such a central part of who we were. But we didn't we, you know, we didn't talk about it all the time necessarily publicly, but as the years went on, we both knew that we had each other in that way. And I've tweet there's two tweets that I I've posted. I have realized in the days hence that he was a prophet, not a fortune teller like people think of prophecy. He was like a biblical prophet that would go into a nation and call it to repent. That's what he was doing. He was going to these campuses and he was going on stage and he was going on this show and the podcast and he was calling a nation to repent. He went to London and he called England to repent at Cambridge and Oxford and they they hurled insults at him. They mocked him. They jered him just like the biblical prophets. They wanted to stone him and ultimately they killed him. And that is what Jesus said. He said, "What did they do to the prophets? They killed him." And now the other revelation, you're making me emotional again because I know that what you're saying is true. And the other revelation is specifically about these campus. We called them campus tours. They were tent revivals. Yes. complete with the tent. Tucker, that's so I don't know why I didn't really see it. I didn't either as it was. You say that and I just like to envision like George Whitfield like being, you know, it's just like Jesus was sent as a savior and must be accepted to be saved. Prove me wrong. I know. But it's so clear to me now. It's so clear to me. And me, too. I don't know. It's Yeah. I don't know how I missed that. I don't know why I thought it was like political organizing or something which I on one level it was but it that's not well you guys were there all the whole time. I mean it was more than that. It it was it was and it really knowing him over the past almost 3 years. That was what I would always tell people who would ask about Charlie. And it's it's so funny where like they'd always just open like is Charlie smart? And I'd be like yes. But that that's kind of besides the point. Like the amazing thing with him is not his IQ or like how much how many like facts he can know or something. What was amazing with him was his drive. The way I would say it was like he was the highest agency person I had ever met in my life. He thought if there is something I don't like I have the power as an individual to change the world about that or at least if I don't take action I have no excuse to complain about it. And he brought that to politics and organization of course, but he especially brought it to the faith question and he always always wanted to talk about it. Uh he loved talking about it in private. He loved talking about it in places where it was you you know arguably pointless. Uh the last speech he kind of gave in public was we were in Japan and Japan is 1% Christian maybe. Uh we were speaking to a party there that's you know you know we're aligned with them because they're anti-immigration. They don't like globalism. You know we have we were talking to them about all that stuff. He was like yo you should increase your birth rate. Don't rely on immigrants and all that. But Japan is famously resistant to Christianity. Yes. Yes. But and I told him about that and but you know in Korea we talked about Christianity and there it was a Christian audience mostly. But he said, he's like, you know, is there somewhere I can work in the faith angle to this? Because, you know, we're supposed to preach it everywhere everywhere we go. And so we talked about that. You know, what what could we do? And we found a spot late in the speech. And the very end of his speech, he was saying, "Look guys, I want you to save your country, but in the end, you're going to have to believe in something transcendent for that to work. It's not just going to work on pragmatic grounds." and for me. And then he just, you know, for me it's because of my belief in the Almighty, my belief in Jesus Christ. And you're going to need to have something like that to to be able to win. And you know, I think two people in the audience started clapping really really energetically and the rest kind of sat there very politely as a couple people. Oh, the Japanese are wonderful people. But but you're right, they're not open to that. But there were two who were. Yeah. And maybe they were believers. I'm not sure. But uh you know I'm I'm very glad he got to do that. And then in Korea though um a totally different story. Very different story. We have this clip. Why don't we just play it if it's okay? Oh my gosh. 18 [Music] All right. That that was 11 days ago, Tucker. And he's on stage and in English they asked him to come forward and pray and sing over Charlie. And they put their hands up and they started in English saying, "How great is our God. Sing with me. How great is our God." And Charlie put his hand on his heart. And Mikey said when he got off stage like he could see his eyes were misty. It meant so much to him. This is the moment where I have to step in and say we have a quick radio break. We'll be right back with more of Tucker Carlson. [Music] [Applause] [Music] church. And Melbourne's one of the darkest cities really in the world. There are good things about Melbourne, but basically it's it's in enemy hands. And boy, do you feel it when you're there. And I was like, I got to go to church. So I go, of course, to the Anglican church, which is my denomination. It's now a museum filled with Chinese tourists. I was like, "Oh, this is the worst. I'm feeling despondent." I go next door to the Scottish church, the Presbyterian church. Beautiful, beautiful church, like in beyond. And there's no one in it except at the front. And it's like a hundred yards away. It felt like there's this little group of people singing and it's Koreans and this Korean congregation of like nine people has taken over the church, rented it on Sundays cuz of course no whites are going to church of course. And I just thought to myself, this was God's way of reassuring me that even though the world that I grew up in is gone and totally, you know, everyone's fallen away and and it hasn't worked at all. um that that Jesus still lives and but you know his name is spoken in other languages and one of those is Korean and there's something there's something about watching Koreans worship that just oh it's my favorite thing ever. I I totally agree they are absolute prayer warriors but I just believe this Tucker and I have to say this like in this moment I believe God is unleashing a a new revival yes on this country and Charlie is a the the the spark that is igniting it. completely agree. And I don't even want to say it's his his death. It's his the start of his eternal life and his eternal glory, his immortality. And I believe that he is seated with God in heaven. And he's seated in glory. And I believe that there's a reason that Charlie and Erica would look at each other and say, you know, our mission is to make heaven crowded. And and I believe that that is actually the real mission. And that is actually going to be happening right now. It's happening in our midst right now and it's hap it's sweeping the country and there was there was a story I just heard on the drive here this morning that they ran out of uh baptism space. They just kind of did an impromptu baptism spaces one of my friends churches and so they went out in the parking lot start dunking people in the fountain. Hundreds of them. Protestants are fun. I just I just love that if I can just say a word. I mean I don't get involved in the Protestant Catholic Orthodox thing because I'm just for Jesus. But if I could just stick up just for one second for my people. Protestants were real once. Like they built this country. They did. I'm sorry. It's just a it's a it's a fact. And they really believed in God and they, you know, they were on the right path. They were amazing people. And I I'm very aware that they've declined to the point where I make fun of them constantly, but there was something very, very real there. Very real. You know, sorry. Well, the circuit writers in the I feel like I have to say that. No, no, no. I mean, listen and there as I I'm somebody both Erica and I were cradle Catholics, right? We were did the first communion and we did the catechism and the you know the uh anyways I went to Catholic high school even um you did you go to Catholic high school? No, long story long story. I'll let you chime in if you want. My parents moved me to public schools. I I ended up getting saved in college. Very very very non non-denominational evangelical way to phrase it. I got saved in college. radically saved. Um, so I had this Catholic background, but then I found myself in a non-denominational setting alone at a school in Seattle, like the second least church city in the country, and I ended up getting radically saved. And so, but I've never cared about the distinctions. I love both. Yeah, I agree. You know, I might have petty minor little theological differences. Yes. Doesn't matter. I love them both. I don't I can't because of my path here, I never cared. Anyone who focuses on Jesus is my brother. That's how I feel. And I I agree with you 100%. And if you let your It's a little bit like Twitter actually. If you if you think about it too much, you end up hating everybody and you miss the commonality between people and the commonality between Christians is Jesus. Period. And if you think about, well, I'm mad about transubstantiation or like the last pope was horrible, which he was. Um I'm so sad we didn't get to just have that full debate. We we wanted to have just a straight like just for fun like let's debate Mary. No, I'm not doing that. Let's do it next. But we wanted to do it with Charlie and now we can't. I'm not doing that. And that one of the the things I hope you guys live to your 50s because and I and I'm and I'm sure you will, but because when you get there, you're like, "Wow, I've been wrong about so much." And you think that middle-aged people are wishy-washy. And low testosterone does account for some of that. Just a fact. But part of it is just the recognition of how wrong you've been. And that is the Christian. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. It's like first you meditate on how fallen you are. And then you realize you don't have a basis upon which to judge other people actually. And you can forgive them. And that is the process that's prescribed in the Lord's Prayer. Of course, it's a center of Christianity, but it's also just like a human process. And you get there and you realize like, yeah, I'm mad about Mary. That's a fact. Okay. But then I get older and my wife's like, "Oh, I was just saying the rosary, my very Protestant wife, and I love it. It brings me closer to Jesus." And I'm like, "I'm not judging anymore. We'll uh welcome radio back in just one second. [Music] you just welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show and we are honored by the great, the legendary and I really want people to understand Tucker, you and Charlie had such a unique and special bond and relationship. It was it was a deep friendship and you both uh had each other's back in an incredible back. You had his back, too. I know those stories as well. Yeah. And I promised I wouldn't get into any of that. But I will say, and I'm not going to, but I will say because I want this to be about Jesus and his love for Jesus and what he did to spread the word of Jesus throughout the world. But I will just say this that whenever I would come and do a gig for you guys, which was a lot cuz I really enjoyed it and he was so kind to invite me and defend my being there. But I would always, he's the only person I did this with. I would always say, "Hey, you know, let's like meet in my hotel room or have a meal." Like I I loved talking to him and it wasn't just to catch up on everything that's going on in the political world. He would always bring it back to God every single time and it was so there's no one around like so he didn't need to be like oh yeah I really love God. It was like just us and he'd be talking about that and you would come to Phoenix and you would reach out to I it was like I have so many memories of Charlie being like I can't I got to do dinner. Who are you doing dinner with? Oh Tucker's in town. I got to meet up with him. always, always. And he was so intellectually curious and flexible. And I think that also grew out of his Christian faith. And I know that as I've gotten older, it's been one of the things I appreciate most about believing in God is like you can admit when you were wrong. You can change your views. Paul, who created a lot of the early church, was the chief persecutor of Christians. He was a freaking Pharisee. So like in our religion at its core is the fact that God can change people. And so you don't need to be brittle and afraid about admitting that yeah I was totally off base and Charlie was so much like that. He was constantly thinking about is this the right thing? Is that the right thing? Like there's no one in public life who does that. It it's so easy for like relig you know for sometimes people use religion as an excuse for megalomania. Yes. And Charlie was so humble. Genuinely humble. We would we would have these moments. Thank you for saying and on this note we would have these moments and I'd be like can you freaking believe what's going on? You're on South Park or whatever. And and he would say he would say stay humble. Stay close to Jesus. That would be the type. We need to stay humble. We need to stay close to Jesus. Really? Yes. This is in his private text to people he works with. I have a story like this too and I'm I'm ashamed that I am the villain in this story. Basically, it was two weeks before he died and I'll never forget it. I there was just some annoyance that was, you know, in our way and we we we needed to deal with something. I can't even remember it was. And I just remember going, "Hey, you know, we could just tell them XYZ in translation. We could just, you know, little white lie and it'll go away. They'll understand." And I remember seeing the like the dots he was typing right away. Right away, we don't lie. It was a private message with me. I love that. And And it wasn't you don't lie. It's not I don't lie. It was Andrew. We we here on this show and this turn in turning point. We don't lie. Well, and not only don't lie, I mean I without even getting into it, but like if you run a huge nonprofit and DC is all about huge nonprofits. I know everyone who runs them, boy, there are temptations and there was never any of that here ever. And we Tro and I talked about that a lot. Like here are the pitfalls in a man's life. Here here's how people get ins snared. It happened to David. I mean, we know this is a thing. He was so, and again, I just had this conversation with him right before he died because I'm very focused on because I've seen so many people destroyed destroy themselves and it's clearly like Satan acting on them. Fact. Sorry. And he was like he was a narrow path walker in I just have to say that because most aren't sure. He would run home to be with Erica. If he couldn't Yes. If he if Erica was on the road, he'd be like, "Are we done here?" Okay. like a donor dinner or something. He would, you know, he at after our events at night, he would do kind of like a little circuit to all the dinners and he couldn't wait. He's like, "Okay." And I'd be like, "I got to talk to you about one one other thing, Charlie. Hold on one second. One second." He's like, "Sorry, I'll talk to you about it in the morning. I got to see Erica. Bye." I It was just That is the key. I love to tell people this because some sometimes people who didn't watch Charlie a lot would sometimes just think, "Oh, he's like a young influencer." So people would ask me, they'd be like, "Blake, do you ever hang out with Charlie?" And what I'd always say is I don't think Charlie has ever hung out in his entire life. Uh he was always on his mission or you know he was with you know he was with his family. It was 100% all the time. That being said some of the best memories that I have are the plane flights across country. Yeah. Because and that's the only time he can hang out. It was amazing. Trapped in a tube. And by the way, when and and I think that gave him the freedom to kind of just go, h I'm hanging out. And I mean, if you had to add him up, I've got hundreds of these hours and they are some of the most amazing cuz he was so funny and so so curious and so so he did, but it was like you had to get him in this this mode where you literally trapped him on a plane and he couldn't get out and he was stuck there. But what is that? I mean, most people sort of fritter away their entire lives hanging out, and I'm I'm definitely one of them. I'm like an Arab man in the souk. I like to sit around hitting the water pipe, playing back gamon, drinking little cups of coffee, talking about women. Like, I've spent a lot of my life doing that. That's why I love Trump so much. He likes that, too. But Charlie had like this mission all the time. I have a theory on it, but we have to we have to do another break. What? Yeah, we'll keep going. Don't worry. Crazy. U We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. 10 seconds. [Music] All right. Uh, welcome back. We continue on here. Um, so my theory on that, Tucker, is I think in order for this whole God plan to work in Charlie's life, he had to like he had to impress in him almost subconsciously or hardwire it, whatever it was, he was going to maximize the juice, the the the output. And Charlie disciplined his body. He didn't put alcohol into his body. He didn't put drugs into his body. He didn't put anything into his body that he thought was going to slow him down or reduce his productivity. He was obsessed with biohacking. He was like and and all I thought it was just this weird quirk because I'm thinking Charlie, you're going to be alive cuz you're younger than me. You're going to be li alive when I'm gone. Like chill out, relax, have some fun. But but somehow he knew there wasn't a moment to waste. And I'm finding these things, Ducker, that he found time to do. Erica's telling me he somehow found time to journal obsessively and she never left every single week. Wrote her a weekly note on Saturday. Every every Saturday I he read books. He skimmed books. He got Blake to read them. He found ways to get the team to distill information so he could absorb it. And he but he would do walks with books on tape. He he managed to squeeze so much life into such a short period of time. And it's I have to believe it was God impressing and blessing him with this divine ability to maximize his output. I I love that. And I had many conversations with him on this topic also about like physical health. I'm a pizza guy so Okay. Yeah. Physical health. I I quit smoking cigarettes at 45. Like I feel very virtuous. It turns out you say he didn't want to put anything in his body that would hinder him. And it turns out the list of things that hinder you is all foods except like cabbage, grilled chicken, hot sauce. But that's basically what I mean he was the fittest guy, but it was for a reason. How much time do we have in this segment left? Uh we're going to welcome back radio in 3 minutes and 20 seconds. Then we have a nice 13 minutes. Okay. So I want to um when we get to the 13, I want to tell the Blake story. Blake Nef who's sitting right there story. And it's it's just a story that just explains who he really was. And there's so much that goes on in Washington and political world that's so treacherous and cruel and antihuman. Um, and Charlie just stood against all of that, not simply in public, but in private. And I had a window into one of the amazing stories of bravery and forgiveness. It's just an incredible story and it and it's about you. Again, it makes me emotional thinking about, but anyway, I don't think it's ever really been told. Sorry to make you emotional. It's an amazing story. What I love about this Blake story, too, because I and I I don't want to I'm not going to ruin the punchline here, but I would just say I one of the strongest testaments to Charlie is the fact that this guy's a tough judge and I know when he Oh, I know. He worked for me. And when he first started working with us, I could tell that he was a little unsure. You know, you probably had the questions. You're back. Charlie spoke the language of the people. And you're a Dartmouth kid. that's a total egg egghehead nerd, you know, like beautiful mind kind of person. And but Charlie would cut through all that and he would speak right to the people and cut people's hearts in two and make them choose the side they were going to go go on. And that was not the language of Blake Nef, but we needed a Blake Nef. And I knew we needed a Blake Nef. And I just there was this moment where I forget why but you you took this moment and I remember being really touched by it and you paid Charlie a tremendous compliment and I knew it was like a two years after the fact and it and it was I Charlie texted me like directly. He goes, "Whoa, did you hear did you hear Blake?" Like cuz it really meant the world to him that he had won he had won your respect and it really meant the world to him. Yeah. South Dakota Germans aren't big on compliments, but I do think the So you if you get one from Blake, it's earned. I do think the question that people had about Charlie, the question I got most often, and people came to me a lot about Charlie, like, what is this cuz they knew that I knew him and that I was friends with him. But really, the core question everyone wanted answered was, "Is this guy for real? Is this real?" Because like nothing in our world's real. It's all fake, actually. And I hate to say it, but it's true. A lot of preachers are very fake. And and I would always say, "Amazingly, it's 100% real. It's totally real." And I remember talking to you you about that. I mean, everyone like, "What is this exactly?" And you concluded early. I remember when you told me, "No, no, it's totally real. That's incredible." You really have to have lived in our world for a while to know how wild that is. Cuz most people are just like, "Yeah, of course it's real." Not in political world. Is that fair? Very fair. Very fair. And he's like the realest guy to ever live practically. I know. I know. Oh, it makes me sad he's gone. I wish I I wish I had said this in public before he left because um I said it many times in private. I will say that to many people. Who is this guy? Is this real? Like what is this? And I would always say, "Man, if you had dinner with him, you would know it's real." We'll uh welcome radio back in just a second. This is where we'll tell the Blake Ne story. All right, we'll be right back. [Music] This movement will not be silenced. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk show. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. This is really the Tucker day and I I uh I feel awkward even taking us in and out of breaks, but Tucker, I don't want to do it. I don't I'm doing this out of service for my to my nation and to my friend Tucker. Um, so yeah, the floor is yours though. I know where you're going, but Oh, this is a Blake Nef story. Okay, so this is a story that um, obviously I was in the middle of it and I've talked to a lot of people just this week about it. I don't think it's ever been told in public. I'm going to give the outline and then just turn it over to Blake to correct me or and to fill in the details. But here's the story. So Blake worked for me at Fox News uh, for years, probably more closely than anybody, like intimately at Fox. And um, and I love Blake. And Blake is obviously an unusual person, but just a wonderful person and a really deeply decent person. I mean, it's true. And obvious Yeah, Blake's weird, but like Blake is the best. And people who love Blake really love Blake. And there's a little group of people who, you know, we all know each other. We all talk about Blake. So Blake got caught up right at the height of all this insanity, true insanity, called cancel culture. But it was more than that. It was like French Revolution stuff. And someone like, you know, Blake is naughty. Blake is a racist. Well, actually, as I would always say, Blake is actually not a racist. And I would admit it. He's not. He's a Christian who believes that God created everybody, so he's actually not a racist. But Fox overreacted, of course, and he left. And then Fox denounced him. They tried to get me to denounce him. Suzanne Scott tried to make me denounce Blake, and I refused. Something I'm proud of, but whatever. It was, it was just awful. It was the saddest moment in the 15 years that I spent there. And then Blake's unemployed and unemployable. And I get this and I feel terrible and I feel like I've got a moral obligation to help Blake and but who's going to hire Blake? Because he's like in the New York Times he's like a bad person when actually he's a great person. Charlie Kirk calls me. He's like I'm thinking about hiring Blake. I was like God bless you Charlie. What's he like? I said well Blake's very eccentric. Like no kidding. He's the only person who ever lost weight eating junk food. Like he's a really unusual person. Like we talk about Blake all day long. But he's a wonderful person and he's incredibly talented. No one disputes that and I think you should do it. He does. Charlie and I talk about then Blake and I talk. We're having these like conversations behind the scenes about each other. And not only does Charlie hire Blake, he puts us makes me emotional. He puts Blake on the air as if to say, "I know this man. He is a good man. You will judge me for doing this. I'm doing it anyway because it's the right thing to do." And then of course it becomes this whole thing where Blake is like a true asset to him. But when he first did it, it was like, "No, I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do." This is the last thing I'll say before turning over to Blake. I've been in this business my whole life. Nobody does that. Nobody does that. Everyone's like, "Oh, I'm for free speech or whatever until it hurts me." At which point, like, "Sorry, pal. Good luck." But Charlie pivoted against that in a way that exposed him and his group turning point to ridicule and risk. And he did it anyway. And all week I've been talking to people about this. Like that was the acid test. Those of us in this business know how brave that was. It was the bravest thing. Anyway, sorry Blake. I I remember talking to you about that because I I actually was weighing another employment option and I was going you as you said I was like I I I think you maybe were behind that one too. Yeah. I was I was desperate and I remember just I I won't say what it was for but we were talking about it and I think the one that you really pointed out that was really important. And he's like, "Blake, I think the most important thing, like Charlie is a for real a sincere Christian. And I think you're going to want to work for someone who is a for real sincere deeply believing Christian." And you know, cuz then you'll disagree on a lot of things, but you will align on really important things. Yes. And I think that was what carried the day with me. And I'm very glad it did. Um, and you know, at at the time, as you said, there was like at the time I came in, it was he was just a very different person. Yes. And it was over time realizing all the ways that, as you say, he's like, you have to really see it. You're like, is this for real? You understand? What is is this going to work? You would also have that where you're like, this can't this can't possibly work, right? And it does. And it does because he's so completely intently sincere and fully all in on it. And I think that's what like amazed young people like you know when you go to these campus events and you know I think there's a lot of you know you'll see these people online who are like very like performatively trad or Christian or whatever because it like owns the libs or whatever. But Charlie is just like, "No, no. I I like 100% believe in this like because I believe it is true and because it is important and I want everyone else to believe in it because it is true and I think it is the most important decision they will ever make." And it would always shine through in what he was doing and how he behaved that he really believed that. And well, and I mean I think and you know this because you were at some of the campus stops. I was at some of the campus stops. 90% of the interactions as he got older, right? The the the the brand of Charlie was almost cemented, you know, in 2018 when he was much younger and he was like a peer to the kids on college and he would say Charlie Kirk destroys the libs or whatever. And that was just titling. It wasn't actually in Charlie's heart. But the Charlie, by the way, didn't determine the titles, you know, like people behind the scenes destroy anything. No, behind the scenes that's, you know, that's a social media team that's doing the titling. That wasn't Charlie picking the title, you know. Anyways, but the point is as he got older, he transitioned to a much more big brother and and people started observing like this incredible herculean patience that he would exhibit on these in these interactions with sometimes bad faith people, but sometimes people that just had bad ideas. And 90% if you went and sat there and watched the entire three-hour prove me wrong, 90% of it is him being kind and gentle and thoughtprovoking and working through whatever was the lie that was stuck in this kid's head or sometimes professors, but he would work with them through it and use the Socratic method to draw out the truth. And it was a beautiful thing. And you know, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for that because the Charlie destroys the libs clip goes mega viral, right? I I I couldn't agree with you more. I have to say when you when all that happened to you, it was I just cannot say how pain I well, you know, cuz we've talked about many times, but that was like one of the most painful things that's ever happened to me in my life. Uh because, you know, we have such a tight staff and um and the same staff like I don't have new people working for me really ever and I I don't care to. So, um, that was really, really painful. Oh, go ahead. And I just wanted you to have health insurance. My expectations for you were so low because you had been so mistreated and maligned and slandered and it's just so hard to come back from that. The fact that he put you on the air is so possibly a mistake. What? It was not a mistake, but it was that is so wild. So I I have an insight into that piece of the story because I was aware of this other job opportunity and I see it now all as like God's plan and I was working on kind of a panel show idea but I I didn't have the it was just like a nugget of an idea was back in my head and and I remember kind of just intuiting that in order to like restore this man that had been so wronged by Oliver Darcy or whatever in CNN these scumbags I Uh, you know, I need to forgive Oliver Darcy. Thank you for reminding me. As we forgive those who trespass against us, he needs to be my daily rotation. So, but you know, and by the way, I I saw I ended up in that moment in that when we were talking with Blake at the beginning. I looked back at your monologue from that night. Maybe it wasn't your monologue, maybe it was the finish final segment, but you said I you you really were defiant and it was beautifully done because you were back at you you they they you were part of something and only had so much control in at that moment, right? And so they were bullying me. Suzanne Scott got I was in the parking lot of a place in I was in Bosezeman, Montana fishing and she called me and I went outside to do my pre-show bathroom break. Always outside if I can do it. And she called me and she said, "You need to say what he said was wrong." And I said, "I'm not doing that. Period. and you can fire me and the show's live in 10 minutes. I'm not doing that." And she goes, "Well, I guess I can't make you." And she until the day she fired me, she never really talked to me after that. Yeah. I And I I'm not trying to get into any of that, but I do believe that Oh, I want to get into it. It was horrible what they did to him. I I'm just saying I will I don't know where to go with. I will say, Tucker, this is awkward for me. If you Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, sorry. Sorry, sorry. No, I would just say that I think this moment has profoundly changed all of us, including people like Suzanne. And uh I just want to say briefly, for what it's worth, she's been exceedingly wonderful. And we all changed and I've done crappy things, a lot of crappy things in my life. So I shouldn't be judgy, but but to your point, you your hands were tied in that moment. And you you defiantly said, I remember you said, I just want everybody to know that you are gloating over a young man's life being ruined. And shame on you. You basically you you I I I'll never forget that. And I remember thinking, okay, like if Tucker's got his back in this moment, this guy's pretty great. He's the best. Yeah. And he's been the best and I love having came out of nowhere, man. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that as long as I live, but anyway, the point is whatever. And I shouldn't even brought him on air. Exactly. And and by the way, and now look at this. This show is going on. Erica Kirk has demanded that the show goes on and we're going to figure out the details and Blake is going to be critical to that. And if we hadn't have created this this roster, this thought crime crew that we do on Thursdays, I don't know what we would do. But it takes the bravery of an individual to get there. So like everything is fine now and Blake can do whatever he wants and people know who he is because they get to see him and they can make their own judgments about him. But when Charlie made that decision and he's the one who would have been blamed if it had gone wrong, people didn't know who Blake was apart from what they read in the New York Times. Slander devised by CNN and Oliver Darcy. That's a fact. and and not helped by a lot of other people who I shouldn't be attacking. You're right. Sorry about that. But he's the one who allowed Blake's life to continue. And I just I felt it so strong cuz I've been I that's my world. Like I know what that is. Most people are like, "Well, you know, you can't put him on air. Like he did bad things. I heard that." And it's and Charlie was like he was willing to stand up to them and say, "No, that's not true." Like most people are not going to do that. No one will do that. And um well, and I remember the nasty articles we there was a few and Charlie would just write back lol. So that's courage. In case you're wondering what courage is, that's actual courage. And you know that it is because it's so rare. Nobody does that. If if people do that, who are they? I I live in this world. Like I know every single person hosting every single show and they don't do that. And he did that. And so that's what actual courage is. Courage is standing up for what is true in the service of other people, in the service of showing love to other human beings. That's the commission that we get from Jesus. Period. And he actually did that at great risk to himself. And um anyway, just I've had like 50 text exchanges about this all week. Come up. Anyway, bless you, Blake, for being at the center of that. Thanks for standing with us. Thank you. Thank you very much. genuinely. Can I say something that you told me that the night of that blew my mind and it Go for it. Go for it. So, we're bringing Blake to the brink here. We were we were in Provo the night of and it was like we were all shell shocked and Blake was there with them when it happened and we filter in late at night into this little like corner of the restaurant, the hotel in Salt Lake City and we I don't know how it came up but Blake says the most I will never forget. Forget it. He said, "Charlie gave me my life back." Yep. And I I knew exactly what he meant. And now I think the audience does, too. Amen. And with that, we're going to give Blake a bail out. Get out of jail free. We're going to take a radio break. Cut to black. Yeah. We'll be right back. [Music] here are conservatives, so I don't know what. Fair enough. Again, emphasis on wealthy, successful business people. I'm sure there are some in the audience. So, you're calling all these people poor. Well, no, they I'm calling them students. Okay. So, unless someone here is like a cryptobillionaire, I want to meet you. Um, again, I was looking for seed funding of which is very normal for a startup operation to do. But again, I weighed the cost and the benefit. I took a gap year. It's been 13 gap years. However, I I I am curious. Does it matter that I didn't went to college? Do we want to debate resumes or ideas? No. Ideas, not so you are studying to be an actuary. Cool. Explain to me. Are you worried at all that artificial intelligence will take your job in 5 years? I've asked a few I've had many uhformational interviews with actuaries. I've asked them that same question and they aren't worried. they actually think that it's going to help actuaries do their job more efficiently. Um especially with like computing on the computer. So I mean but the job itself isn't going to go away because of um AI, but there might be less actuaries. Well, it's a very secure job. So I I'm not worried. I mean, again, I only I know dangerously little about an actuary, but let's say that you're an actuary for an insurance company. Yes. I would imagine part of being an actuary for all state or state farm would be the synthesizing and the collection of tens of millions of data points finding trends and averages and then trying to project where that data is going to go. Right. Yeah. Objectively artificial intelligence is going to be better than 99% of human beings with that way. And there's no human cost and you can run it 24 hours a day. So you're right there still might need actuaries to make final determinations but again I don't know enough about it. But to say that AI won't touch your field, I think it will. In fact, I think it will lower the headcount and make entrylevel new graduates from schools like this with actuary degrees or math degrees not nearly as important as it was 10 years ago. Hence my hypothesis that college is a scam that a lot of people here are getting degrees that will be replaced by robots or artificial intelligence. And half the audience if you get a job that actually half the jobs that are available that kids end up getting don't even require college degrees in the first place. Okay. But so you're saying AI is just going to totally replace everything. Not everything. No, I said I'm get I'm hypothesizing. I don't know enough about how what actuaries do, but yeah, you heard my 30 second sticktick. Somewhat directionally correct, I imagine, right? Because insurance companies, the backbone of how insurance companies make money are actuaries because they have to know what to pay for rates and then pay out for, you know, hurricanes or fires or for are people going to drop dead? They have to project that data into the future. I mean, AI is really good at math right now. It's getting better and it's getting better and it's getting better. And so, if we get to a place where they think it's going to get I and you're a business owner, why employ 5,000 actuaries that, you know, require benefits and healthare? What about the human element? Like an AI can predict something, but a human can outweigh whether or not that's the right decision or not. Oh, of course. No, I'm saying the headcount of actuaries will inevitably go down. So you'll end up with like a hundred really seasoned actuaries and all the 4,990 people 900 would probably be largely unnecessary because the number crunching, the data synthesizing, the projecting can be done much quicker and even more accurately in a shorter period of time. Yeah, I mean we are already using computers to calculate data with coding. So I don't know what you're trying to say here. Well, this is much different though. the the AI can assume some of the human characteristics to be able to blend data models, project them, think analytically. AI is even more advanced than what you are seeing publicly. It's way more advanced. It's like two years more advanced. The the private artificial intelligence of what companies are paying for right now is would blow your mind what they can actually get. So again, I don't know enough about actuaries to be able to make a determination, but if I were guessing, I would say that 90% of actuaries are going to be out of work in the next 10 years. Okay. So, can we go back to the original question with college being a scam? [Music] All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Our dear friend seat remains open with the golden EIB microphone in front of it. His hero Rush. Uh, it's pretty amazing. And uh so Tucker I this is this is the Tucker show for Charlie and so I think it's important that I get to ask you a question. Okay. When did you meet Charlie and tell us about how your relationship with Charlie grew because I think it's fas. So I met Charlie when he was a teenager. He was um connected to funded by a close friend of ours called Foster Freeze who's a wonderful man from uh Wilmington Delaware. really from Wisconsin, but lived in Wilmington and then in Jackson, Wyoming um and was an investor in a company that we had and more important like an actual friend, really the only investor I've ever had in anything. And um and a very enthusiastic Christian man and the kind of person who was just a collector of people. You know, I met this person who was so enthusiastic and almost everybody around him was just wonderful. But because he was so rich and so generous, he did collect. There were phonies in the orbit because there always are when someone's rich, right? And so he tells me at dinner about this kid he's met. He's only 18. He's not going to college. I've always been opposed to college my whole life. I try to convince all my kids not to go. I mean, I really meant it. And so he's like, "You would love this guy. He's not going to college." And I was like, "Man, I love that." Because I really am opposed and I mean it. And um I'm like, "He sounds great." And he's like d and I'm thinking oh man some fast talking kid has configured was like throwing back Reagan quotes or something at poor Foster you know who's in his 70s and like late60s and he doesn't know and I really thought assumed that Charlie was just some predator and I didn't like it at all. And of course there's the bias against young people. I mean Charlie is literally the age of one of my children. So like uh and I felt he's probably just totally conventional telling old people what they want to hear, sucking up to the donors, whatever. So I meet him. I thought he was smart as hell. But I was very skeptical. Then I have this uh he calls me. Would you do an event? Sure. I was going to be in the state anyway, so I do it. And we have this kind of sort of debate. Not really a debate. Well, what actually happened was I was going to give a speech and I got there and we were backstage. She's like, "Well, actually, let's just do a Q&A." And I was like, "I don't know, son. I don't think you want to do that with me cuz I'm kind of a jerk." Uh, you know, which I am in those settings, right? So, he's like, "No, no, I want to. We We can. It's okay to have a debate." I was like, "I don't know, man. Like, I disagree with your views on economics and foreign policy, and I'm pretty hot on these topics, so I'm just letting you know that." Oh, no problem at all. So, we end up having this kind of intense thing and I'm like passionately opposed to marijuana and drugs. I'm just having used a lot of drugs as a child. Like I'm very opposed to drugs. Charlie never used any drugs in his whole life. And he was at the time he was kind of libertarian on the subject. And I remember saying, "Everyone in the crowd is for weed. Like you think you're so cool, but actually it's a control device designed to make you passive and accepting of this system that's destroying you." And people kind of booed me or whatever, but Charlie looked at me like, I think that may be right. And that it was that issue. It was weed of all issues. You know, it's not my top issue, but I do feel it really strongly. I hate marijuana. Okay. And I know it's really cool, but no, it's like fully corporate actually. And it's wrecking Americans, especially boys. It's wrecking the parking lot of the grocery store nearby. It makes me feel like getting my gun. Like I really feel that way about it. Sorry, I shouldn't say that, but I really am mad about it. And Charlie grooved with that and that moment set off this like conversation. So I was back I was in Arizona for something. He's like let's go to lunch, let's go to dinner. And we started having all these really intense conversations. Started putting him on Fox and his views were changing. And mine were too by the way. It's not like I converted him. It's like I had been all kinds of embarrassing things during the scope of my long life. A libertarian, a self-described neocon. Can you imagine? I mean I I'll admit it. I like got mad at Alex Jones for asking questions about 9/11. What? Like I was like a horrible person or a very close-minded person. I was totally wrong about everything. And so I didn't judge. Like you should change your mind as the evidence changes. The things you thought were going to work didn't. An honest man asked himself why they didn't work and what might work. Like that's the process of adulthood. And Charlie, young people are very inflexible about what they believe. I have found and I I have a lot of young people. I have a lot of children. He was one of the only young people I've ever met who was like, "Oh, yeah. I think I was wrong." And only belief in Jesus allows you to say that because you know that you're not judged. You know that honesty is the ticket and that if you pursue an honest path, you'll be okay. And you don't need the agilation from the crowd. You don't need the love of strangers to feel good about yourself because you know that you are loved. It gives you true freedom. And he had that. Charlie had no problem at all getting up and being like, I was a neocon. And of course with me he didn't because he knew that I was too. I'm like cheering on the Iraq war, which I did. Like I literally did that. And I'm ashamed of it. But I'm also proud to admit it because I think that it's important to let people know that you can admit being wrong. It's okay. It's all right. We're people. We're not gods. You can be wrong. We're going to end this radio segment. We're going to be right back on the stream. So don't go anywhere. I want you to know, Tucker, that that must have gone deep because Blake can attest of all the fringe issues that he knew, he was on the unpopular side, he was very, very vehemently against weed. No way. Oh, he went hard on it. Yes. No, I just I I think it you really got at it where, you know, one he was totally unafraid of being in a huge minority on an issue and being frank about it. You know, people would ask and he he'd be like they'd ask him about like abortion and he'd be like, "Look, you know, my position on that is a tiny minority in the United States and I'm going to keep trying anyway." And he'd say that on, you know, gay marriage where the polls would say, you know, a big majority support it and all of that. Um, and at the same time, yeah, the zero uh like shame about if he had to change his views. You see that so often with politicians. Well, actually, that was a different situation. You know, I voted that way because, you know, it wasn't like that. And he'll just be like, "Oh, no. I was wrong. I, you know, I hadn't thought about this." But you can't be controlled if you will. So, this is how the media control politicians. They find some clip if the politicians saying something different 10 years ago. It's like, well, it was a different country 10 years ago. He would do that. We would see these clips, you know, these really like they'd be like, "Look at here's Charlie defending, you know, this issue." And and I would be like, "Ah, Charlie, they dug up that old clip." And he goes, "Oh, yeah. I was a that was that was back when I was a cuck." 100%. And you know, but there's no shame in that. And and Charlie's example of admitting the truth about himself in public is the most edifying and important thing you can ever do because it shows people you can take the leash off and you can live in freedom because you know you're loved. You can tell the truth. We're all going to die anyway. That this is the deepest truth. And your job is to be honest and to be loving to other people. Okay? That's your job. Only belief in God allows that. And once you do it, it's like it's not only fine, it's great. It's actual liberation. You said that. I remember at the first Afest when you came back. So you had the debate and then you came back, the unplanned debate. Oh, I remember feeling so honored that you came back. It was our first Afest and we really needed like somebody of your caliber and your your I'm going to say it you your fame, your your your the weight that you held in the movement especially. I mean it it was an honor to us to have you there and you came out the first came out the first night and you you just said, "Let me say a few words about Charlie. He's willing to change his mind. He's willing to adapt and and and I knew that was your subtle nod to people who might have judged you. Maybe you weren't even thinking that, but it it felt like it was at least saying like, "Listen, I know some of you think Charlie's a certain way. Let me tell you, from that 2017 or whatever 18 debate to now it was I think it was 2021. Like a couple years had gone by since we'd had you back and and then we you know, you've been back ever since." But it was it's it's so important. I just can't say it enough to be honest about yourself. It's very easy to be honest about everybody else. Oh, you're fat. I don't like your dress. Like, that's super easy. It's very hard to be honest about yourself. Like I'm fat. I'm wearing an ugly dress. Like no one wants to admit that. But once you do you the feathers are off and you are so free. And Charlie just live that. I feel like that's almost one of the most important things is to admit the truth about yourself and then no one can control you. What can you say about me that I won't readily concede about myself? Like nothing. And then what are you gonna do to me? You know, nothing. Oh, it's it's amazing. Yeah. I read that poem a week ago about Charlie and I always think about that other one. You know, it's a much more famous one, If by Ruddard Kipling. Yes. And it really does just perfectly describe Charlie. Uh, you know, if you can, you know, speak with kings but not lose the common touch. if you and the really one the the one that ends the poem which you don't hear quoted as much. If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds distance runner or something like that. I might be getting that wrong like uh but he he really did encapsulate all like everything of of that poem about what it is to to be a true man to be a true adult to be a heroic figure. Uh I don't have Yeah. You want me to read it? Yeah. Go for it. Yeah. Okay. Uh, if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you. Yeah. If you can trust yourselves when all men doubt you. Exactly. Yourself. But but make allowances for their doubting too. If you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about. Don't deal in lies. Or being hated. Don't give way to hating. and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise. If you can dream and not make dreams your master. If you can think and not make thoughts your aim. If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two impostors just the same. Exactly. If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken twisted by naves to make a trap for fools or watch the things you gave your life to broken and to stoop and build them up with worn out tools. If you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of pitch and toss and lose and start again at your beginnings and never breathe a word about your loss. If you can force your heart and nerve and senue to serve your long your turn long after you are gone and so hold on when there is nothing in you except the will which says to them hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue or walk with kings nor lose the common touch. If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you. If all men count with you, but none too much. If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run, yours is the earth and everything that's in it. And which is more, you'll be a man, my son. It's incredible. And and the line that jumps out to me, which is the truest, and everyone, I think, understands it at some point. If you can treat triumph and disasters, those two imposters the same. They are imposters actually because you know I'm not trying to leech the meaning from the human experience, it is meaningful. But it's not it's it's not the real point actually. And there is a sense in which this is it. It just stands out to me how many of those things we just in the past hour being lied about. Don't deal in lies. That's that's the one thing that I kept thinking about. If you can wait and not be tired. No. Or or being lied about. Don't deal in lies or being hated. Don't give way to hating. And you know how winning is the real trap. Winning is the trap. That that's where men destroy themselves. That's what that was. He and I talked about that recently all the time. Well, yeah. Winning is when you decide that you're God. That's the David moment for most men. Surviving triumph is is the real trick. And so few can do it. And he could I think it's a beautiful Thank you for bringing that. Actually, Blake has brought two poems uh to us this week that um I am the egghehead. We have uh I mean that one about from world war world war. What was the name of that poem? Uh for the fallen for the fallen. Blake can read poetry in a very heterosexual way which is Are you saying that I just did it in a non No, no, no, no, no, no. That was that was so straight it was unbelievable. I'm just saying you don't meet a lot of guys who are like I want to share some poetry with you. I've never been accused. I have a unblenmished record of heterosexuality. And you know, it's funny. I'm stealing that line from Charlie Kirk. He would always say, "I have an unblenmished record of heterosexuality." Um, why don't we take a quick little break? We're going to reset. Um, and we'll be back for radio in about a minute and a half. American Pride Month in the month of July. So, no, I again I I wouldn't do anything legally about it, but no, I I don't think that any government building or government entity should celebrate what happens in June. Okay. So, you just believe it should be basically privatedly celebrated? Yeah, if you want to, you have a right to do it, of course. Obviously. Okay. Well, thank you for your time then. I just wanted to ask. Okay. Thank you very much. Next question. Hello, Charlie. Hello, Charlie. How are you doing today? Good. Okay. So, mine's just I think it's a little dumb question, but I feel like you know more about this than I do, but I think it's a really important question. My question is basically, you know, how the country is divided basically into Republican, Republican, and Democrat, right? And we've kind of became really, really, really, really, really divided like, you know, with all the people right here, you could hear like a really big protest going on right over there. our crowd's bigger but that's yeah but yeah why why do you think we have become so divided as a country yeah it's not actually a stupid question I mean part of it is I mean look it's going to sound like overly simple but but I I do want to ask a question to [Music] All [Music] right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Kulv, the executive producer of this show. I'm joined by Blake Nef, another producer on the show. And of course, the wonderful, the great, the legendary, and Tucker, you don't get enough credit for something. I I I should have finished it. The Tucker Carlson, but you don't get enough credit for something. I just want people to understand that Tucker, I mean, I've seen you backstage, I don't know, more times than I can count now. And you are the exact same with the guy who's taking out the trash as our PAs and our assistants and the people in between as you are with Charlie or me or Blake. You are the exact same human. And I I really want everybody to know that about you cuz you wouldn't say it about yourself. You treat everybody like you. I can't tell you how many times I that has occurred to me because you'll be I'll be needing to drag you somewhere where we need you to go, but you're deep into a conversation in the corner with, you know, the the the assistant that like I don't even know know that I necessarily knew the name of the because we have so many employees around and you would just be like engrossed in this deep conversation and I would feel bad, you know, oh, we got to grab Tucker. He's got to go on stage in like five minutes or something. And I love that about you, man. And I just want the world to know that. Well, thank you. No, I mean I love people and I you know God created everyone. But it's also true that I grew up in rich people world back when