Tucker Carlson on Charlie Kirk's Christian Faith and the Forces That Made Him a Target

Hey, I'm Tucker Carlson. Last week, within... just really minutes after Charlie

Kirk was shot at that event in Utah, a kind of proxy war broke

out over his memory. Who gets to own it, who gets to use it? While the rest of us were

still reeling in shock, trying to figure out what happened, a ton of people appeared online,

not just in this country, to take tell you exactly what happened,

exactly what it meant, and exactly what we should do next. And you can see why with this level of emotion, rage and grief in the air, it's pretty wise to

leverage that much energy. It's almost like nuclear power. It can be used for... good or bad,

and a lot of people wanted to use it, there's no question about that. So they begin telling you, Charlie died for this. He lived for this and he died for that.

So... the crazier reaches of the left, it was, Charlie was a Nazi. And the lesson is Nazis get killed. It makes sense. He was a bad guy who got what he deserved. And a lot of them said that out loud. Certain parts of the right

immediately told you that. Actually this was about

something completely different. You know, Charlie died for Israel. Many began to say the

Prime Minister of Israel... said that and so did

a lot of other people. Charlie was a defender of Israel,

which he was, by the way, and therefore he died for that cause. But none of these explanations,

all self serving, are really satisfactory. They don't capture who Charlie Kirk was,

and on some basic level, they're dishonest... Charlie was not a Nazi. He was not killed because he was a Nazi. Yes, he was a defender of Israel. He didn't die for Israel

However, why did he die?

What was his life about? What was the...

sin, the core sin that Charlie Kirk

committed against somebody, power that got him killed in the end? And the answer is right in front of us,

certainly those of us who knew him... Charlie's life was defined

by his Christian faith, not his spirituality,

but his belief in Jesus, his life as a Christian. Everything in his life

flowed from those beliefs. Everything, everything he did,

said and believed... came from the fact that he

was above all a Christian. And that is and was and in fact has always been deeply provocative and offensive to the rest of the world. And why is that? It's worth thinking about

it for just a second. Christianity doesn't seem like

the kind of religion that provoke people to anger and violence. In fact, it seems just the opposite. It's the world's most profoundly nonviolent religion, maybe the world's only

truly nonviolent religion... A religion based on a Man who

Christians believe was also God, who, as he was being led away

to be tortured to death... on made up charges, scolded one of his

disciples for fighting back. This is a religion committed to love above all and to living

in peace and harmony. Truly, it's a universalist religion that

believes that every person... has a shot at heaven. It's not exclusionary at all. And so you would think it would make

sense that if you're a government or if you're in power, that you'd want a lot of

Christians living in your country because they're not going to cause

massive problems. Not a lot of... sincere Christians are fomenting

insurrection at any given moment. Pretty much none.

Most of the time they're tidy.

They get married, they love their children. They pay their taxes. They're commanded to pay their taxes... So why wouldn't you want a

nation full of Christians? Why wouldn't you encourage... this religious belief,

even if it wasn't yours? Why would you hate it? Well, there are a couple of reasons. There are a couple of

things about Christianity, and these were evident throughout Charlie's public life, that are...

deeply provocative to the people in power. And the first is the

insistence that Christianity comes with inherently... that you are not God, you are not God,

and neither are your leaders. God is God, and all of us stand before

him in the end to be judged, and all of us will be found lacking. Christians believe the only

way to heaven is through Jesus. That's the only way. But all of us,

whether we believe in Jesus or not, are fallen. We are sinners,

we are less than we ought to be. We are not gods,

and neither are the people who lead us. And this has a lot of implications,

the first being if you're not God, you don't get to do whatever you want...

There are limits. There are rules that you didn't

write that you have to abide by. That's not a judgment,

that's a statement of fact... Some call it natural law. It's been the basis of every functioning

society since the beginning of time. But the basis of our society is the

Christian understanding of justice, which flows...

from that belief.

You are not God. God is. He writes the most basic rules,

you abide by them, period. That's the basis of our law. That's the basis of Western law. That is a threat, a challenge...

to people who would ignore the limits on their behavior, very much including our leaders and very

much including the most powerful people... in our society,

whether they're elected or not... Nobody wants to be told you're

not allowed to do something. And Christianity inherently... tells people that, doesn't judge them,

it just states it clearly. No, you do not have the power to kill,

except possibly in self defense. But you can't just go killing people. And you can't go killing people because. And this is the second thing about

Christianity that tends to set the teeth of the powerful on edge. Christianity insists... that every human being is created by God.

Every single one. And that means that every

human being has a soul, a distinct, unique soul created by God. It is once again the only true universalist faith...

there is. And the New Testament

is the story of this, an under read collection of books that is not the story

of the Old Testament. It is very much the story

of the New Testament. In the New Testament, all people are God's chosen. Every single one. And the story itself makes that point.

The founder of most Christian churches in

the early near east was a former... Pharisee, a Jew who was in charge

of killing Christians... until he famously met Jesus

on the road to Damascus. His name was Saul, it became Paul... And he is the most prolific author

in the New Testament and the basis of a lot of Christian theology. And his life tells the story. People... can change no matter what they look like,

no matter what they previously believed, no matter where they're from,

no matter what language they speak, because they are created by God.

And every person, every single person, whether you like them or their

relatives or the way they look or not, has that chance because all were created

by God and all were loved by God. That is the basis of Christianity. That's the Christian story. And so a sincere Christian

proceeds with that belief. There is no tribalism in Christianity. There is no identity politics. It's the opposite. You may prefer to be with

people who look like you, that's fine. But God doesn't prefer to be

with people who look like you. God prefers to be with all people

because he created all people... He's the God of the universe, not just... of the people you like. And that again... has massive implications for the way

that sincere Christians live and for the way that Charlie Kirk lived his life. And the first is if... other people have souls, if they,

like you, were created by God, then they have freedom of conscience. You can tell them what

they ought to think, but you can't make them. You can tell them what they ought to say,

but you can't force them. Christianity does not

convert by the sword. It can't. It requires...

free will. And it requires free will because it respects... the individual conscience emanating

from the distinct soul of every human being.

And that is why in the west, which is based on Christianity, our civilization is a

Christian civilization, tattered though it currently is. collective punishment. Hurting people for the sins of their relatives is unthinkable.

It's a crime because each person...

will stand alone as he was made before God. And every person is equal before God... fundamentally doesn't mean each person

is equal in his ability. It doesn't mean each person is equal in the choices he makes.

Of course not. But it means that every person is a

human being with a divine spark inside. That is the core

assumption of Christianity. And it was obvious when you watch Charlie Kirk,

that he believed that. Charlie's been famously quoted for the last couple of days

saying he abhors anti Semitism. That is absolutely right.

And he did. He said that in public,

and he said it very often in private. He meant it, too. But he abhorred... racism and bigotry on

the basis of genetics... of all kinds, because he was a Christian and he believed that

God created each person. Now, why is this a problem for temporal authorities? Why is it a problem for

the people in power?.. Because once again, it circumscribes what they can do. It sets a limit on their powers... If God created each person,

including the infuriating, annoying, disastrously wrong person I'm talking to,

then I can't force him... to repeat my creed. I'm not in charge of his conscience. Only he is.

And that is a... limit... So when Charlie Kirk said,

I believe in free speech, he didn't simply... believe in free speech because

it was in the Bill of Rights. He understood that it was in the Bill of

Rights because it's in the New Testament. He understood that's a right that comes

from God bestowed on all of us at birth... And he felt his job, his duty,

was not simply to protect it, but to live it, to show people what that looks like.

I just want to play. Of the many clips we could play

of Charlie Kirk on college campus, he spent his whole life

worn out most of the time... as an older man.

I often said to him, how the hell do you get on

plane after plane after plane? But he felt an evangelical duty, small evangelical duty to do it,

to get out there and talk to people. Why?.. Not simply to build a coalition or

get this or that person elected, but because...

he believed, as a Christian. that...

convincing people voluntarily with words in the beginning was the Word,

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So the Gospel of John begins, words are the key...

to Winning people's minds and their souls. And he really meant this.

He wasn't just repeating the words, he meant it. And it was obvious in the way

that he interacted with people who disagree with him and... people who hated him. Here's one clip that

tells part of the story. Would you want someone who is not

necessarily stable or ready to bring a child into this world and provide that child

the life it deserves? Would you want them to still

bring that child into this world? Without a doubt. Every life has a moral

obligation to be able to live. If I can't give... that child... the life it deserves, why?

Why am I bringing it to? Got it.

This will be my last question... I want you to think about it... If a Single mom has two 2 year olds,

twins, and she wakes up one day and says, I can't do it anymore. I can't give them the life they deserve. But that's just not the circumstance. Hold on. Should she be able to take out a

shotgun and kill both those kids? No, of course not. Because you think that

would be objectionable. That's why I think it's

objectionable to eliminate two babies that are six weeks old because they're morally the same thing.

One just happens to be bigger,

one just happens to be older, one just happens to be

outside of the womb. They're both human beings. And you have something in you that says,

no way is it okay to kill a two year old. That's called your soul talking. You have something in you

that tells you the truth. You can call it instinct if you like. Charlie Kirk referred to it as the soul.

But both mean the same thing. You have the spark of the divine God spark inside you and it reacts,

it hums, it vibrates like a tuning fork... And you know, on a basic animal level,

like your dog knows when something is wrong.

You can feel it. And the whole purpose of modern society,

it seems sometime is to get... the rest of us to ignore what we know. That vibration inside us that

tells us the truth always. It never lies to us. Charlie did not ignore that. And you'll notice that in the

end he appealed to it with... that young woman. He didn't scream,

you were a murderer in his face, though He considered abortion murder,

which it is. He felt that deeply. This wasn't a performance.

He wasn't another nonprofit phony in D.C... feigning outrage about something. He really believed... that taking innocent life

was wrong in the womb... or in crowded cities, anywhere. He thought it was wrong because

his faith tells him it's wrong... And because his Conscience

confirms that belief, and so does yours. And so did hers. So did all of ours.

We know... when something is wrong, and the people above us shouted us.

No, really, there's an explanation for it. That's just your super ego barking at you.

no You know in your heart, deep inside, what every person has known,

and that is the murder of innocence is a crime.

It's a moral crime, and that girl knew it. And in the end, That was Charlie's appeal... Listen to that divine spark inside you. Listen to your soul speak to you. Turn off the music, get off the drugs, push the distractions,

which it's hard to believe, aren't actually designed to

crowd out that humming inside us. And be still for a moment and accept what you already know, what you were born knowing. Listen to that.

Or only someone... who appreciates the person he's

speaking to as an actual human being could speak that way. Notice how rare that is. It's been noted in the

past couple of days, Charlie was a free speech champion.

Absolutely, he was. And I pray that that's his legacy. But I also think it's important to

explain why that mattered to him... It was not abstract in any sense.

It was central. It was the core... Because consider... what it means if you don't respect...

free speech, which is another way of

saying free conscience. The right of other people to make up

their own minds about the basic questions of what is right or wrong and to express their views on those issues. If you don't acknowledge the

right of other people to do that, and if you take steps to

prevent them from doing that, what are you really saying? You're really saying,

I don't think you have a soul. I think you're a meat

puppet I can control. I think you're an animal,

maybe sub animal. You're a slave.

You're a person to whom I can dictate... belief. I don't acknowledge that you have the

right to come to your own conclusion is another way of saying, I don't acknowledge that

you're a human being. It's dark.

There's nothing darker than that... And trust me, they believe it. The ones who've thought about it,

and there are a lot of those. But for a lot of people,

particularly those who are just repeating what they think they

should say or responding to the momentary rage of the moment. they just throw stuff out. And we've got to hope that the

Attorney General of the United States, Pam Bondi, is in that category...

She said this just yesterday.

Watch. There's free speech and

then there's hate speech. And there is...

no place, especially... now,

especially after what happened to Charlie. In our society. there's free speech... and then there's hate speech. This is the Attorney General

of the United States, the chief law enforcement

officer of the United States, telling you that there

is this other category... called hate speech. And of course,

the implication is that's a crime. There's almost... no sentence that Charlie Kirk...

and... I'm not running the risk... of appropriating his memory for

my own ends by saying this... It's provable. There's no sentence that Charlie Kirk

would have objected to more than that. And you've got to think the Attorney

General didn't think it through and was not attempting to desecrate

the memory of the person she was purporting to celebrate that. She just threw that out there

that she hadn't thought about it. You hope that... You hope that Charlie Kirk's death...

won't be used by a group we now call bad actors

to create a society that was the opposite

of the one he worked to build. You hope that... You hope that a year from now, the turmoil we're seeing in the aftermath

of his murder won't be leveraged to bring hate speech laws to this country. And trust me, if it is, if that does happen, there is never a more justified moment

for civil disobedience than that, ever.

And there never will be... Because if they can tell you what to say. they're telling you what to think...

There is nothing they can't do to you because

they don't consider you human... They don't believe you have a soul. A human being with a soul, a free man has a right to say what he believes... Not to hurt other people, but to express...

his views. And by the way, that thinking. And not to pile on the Attorney General,

who's a very nice person. but that thinking that she just

articulated on camera there... is exactly what got us to a place where some huge

and horrifying percentage of young people think it's okay to shoot people you

disagree with to kill Nazis for saying things they don't like. Why do they believe that? How did we get here? Is it the video games? Is it the SSRIs?

Yeah, probably. But what it really is is 12 and then 16 years of indoctrination

in our schools at the hands of people who tell them that, who say exactly what the

Attorney General just said. Well, there's free speech,

which of course, we all acknowledge is important.

So, so important. But then there's this

Thing called hate speech. Hate speech, of course, is any speech that the

people in power hate. But they don't define it that way... They define it as speech

that hurts people, speech that is tantamount to violence. And we punish violence, don't we?

Of course we do. They've been taught that every year of their lives. And so naturally, most of them believe it. When Charlie Kirk is shot in the

throat with a 30 out six on camera, I doubt very many young Americans

want to see something like that or actually applaud the death of a man, a father, a husband. But they've been told for

their entire lives in schools exactly what Pam Bondi just told them. Well, there's free speech,

but then there's also hate speech. And woe to those who engage

in it because it's a crime. That's a lie. And it's a lie that denies the humanity

of the people you're telling it about. And so any attempt to impose hate speech laws in this country, and trust me, there are a lot of people

who would like them, there are a lot of people who'd

like to codify their own beliefs by punishing Those under the U.S. code who disagree with their beliefs. Any attempt to do that... is a denial of the humanity... of American citizens and cannot be

allowed under any circumstances. That's got to be the red line,

because again, when they can do that, what can't they do? And this is something, by the way, that Charlie thought about a lot and that I had occasion to talk to him about a lot. And I really don't want to make

any of this about me because it has nothing to do with me... But I did have reason to have

these conversations with Charlie a lot, many, many times over the past

three or four months. And...

this began at an event that he

held in Florida in July, the TPUSA M Fest event,

Turning Point event. I often go, I always have the best time. I always see Charlie ahead of time. We have a cup of coffee in a hotel room,

talk about what's going on. In addition to being, of course,

a conservative advocate, he was also a conservative

organizer and a coalition builder. And he was very involved in

politics in a way that I'm not. So it was interesting as hell, but it was also a way to learn what

young people are thinking about, talking about, because he was on college

campuses all the time. And what is the state of a couple of

big debates that are happening within the Republican coalition, particularly around foreign policy. And Charlie's views on foreign policy,

which I think are fairly well known now. A lot of people lying about them were evolving, but had...

really evolved. And who knows why he reached

the conclusions he did. I think his Christian faith informed...

them mostly... was also the experience of

talking to young people... And his views were very much like theirs. He believed that the war on terror had

been a net loss for the United States, and it caused incalculable damage,

not just economic and physical damage,

but spiritual damage to the United States. It was.

It was bad. We got nothing out of it.

We were only hurt. And he didn't want to see that again. And he felt very strongly about that. And of course, I agreed. And so before that speech that I gave in July,

we had a conversation about this backstage...

right before I went on. And I was fulminating and getting

all red in the face like I often do, to my shame. And I was mad thinking about

this and thinking about the effort by the neocons in

the United States to draw us in to another...

forever war... with Iran.

Not a defense of Iran, of course. It's merely an acknowledgment

that we've done this before. This happened in Iraq, which, you know, we entered into at the behest of those same

foreign policy strategists. And...

And it didn't work. And so I was going on at some

length backstage with Charlie, and I said. you know,

probably not going to talk about that. I'm not going to torture you. I know your donors hate

this when I say that. And also, Epstein was in the news, and it was clear to me that, you know, Epstein's probably not like

a Mossad agent or something, but Epstein clearly had contact with

Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence, But the only one you're not allowed

to talk about is Israeli intelligence. But it's.

It seemed true to me, and I had done... some work on that,

and I knew a bunch of people pretty close to that story, so.

So I thought that. And I said that to Charlie, and I said, but I'm not going to say that because

I don't want to make your donors mad. I know it's just going

to be like an endless flurry of texts telling

you to stop or you're gonna lose a bunch of funding. And he looked at me, I'll never forget it, and said, go all the way...

Do it. Go all the way.

I said, man, I. You know,

a lot of things I can talk about. I don't need to talk about that.

And he said, do it. So I did it...

By the way, I think that that

conversation hit a Mic on. And so did I. Probably exists somewhere

on somebody's server, but that's, I think,

a faithful rendition of what he said. And by the way, I'm not trying to blame

him for my remarks. You can agree or disagree

with those remarks. But I'm saying this only because I was shocked and sickened by the

reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction

of the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death. Basically made it all about

him and all about his country, immediately...

trying to take the energy, the sadness, the grief that people felt over Charlie's

murder and redirect it towards support for whatever project he's involved in.

And by the way, Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same

as the nation of Israel at all. Bibi is despised by many people in Israel,

and if you know people who live there, you know that that's true. There are huge divisions

within the Israeli government. I mean, there are certain parts of the.

The intel world... in Israel that do not support some things that Benjamin Netanyahu has done recently. So it's not the same as attacking Israel,

attacking Bibi. But I. I don't think I've ever seen anything

lower than his attempt to hijack Charlie's memory and use it

for his own political ends, particularly because what he

said was completely untrue. Charlie didn't hate Jews.

He loved Jews. He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel,

love going there. He did not like Bibi Netanyahu. And he said that to me many times,

and he said to people around him many times...

he felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was happening...

in Gaza. He was, above all, resentful... that he believed Netanyahu was

using the United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing

and bad for the United States, and he resented it. Didn't hate Netanyahu. He wasn't out there with

a placard saying that. But he certainly expressed that to

me and a lot of other people. And there's no question that Bibi's defenders... on the Internet will

call me a liar or a kook, but that's a fact. And enough text messages

exist that I think it can probably be verified

in pretty short order. Not that it needs to be,

because that is true. Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack on Charlie

and to some extent on me. Not that I really... noticed, but on him, I have no donors. He had $100 million...

worth of donors. And so, because he was involved in a different

project from just yapping on the Internet, which is what I do for a living, he was dependent to a

great extent on his donors. Of course, it's a nonprofit, and they went after him and tormented him.

Not all, of course. Many were supportive, but the ones who were offended by my speech,

and there was a small, very intense group who were

tormenting Charlie Kirk, until the day he died. Two days before he died, he lost a $2 million donation...

because he had publicly pledged to bring

me to the next Turning Point conference in December. And he told me over the past couple

of months he was losing a lot of donations over that pledge.

They put out... a flyer basically saying that I was going

to be at this event giving a speech... And so he would text me and say, man,

I'm really taking a lot of heat for this, and people are really mad. The American... Jewish Committee called in a statement, Charlie Kirk, an anti Semite and quote,

dangerous. Charlie Kirk, an anti Semite.

He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite, and he was not dangerous... He was a great lover of people

and a purveyor of peace. He was the opposite,

and he was very stung by that. Those of us who've been called

names for a long time are a little bit harder to offend. Charlie was deeply offended by that

and expressed some of those feelings on Megyn Kelly show and in other places, but that did not let up. The reason I'm telling this story is because he called me and then came

to see me at my house about this topic. And I said to him every single time, look,

it's. You know, I've got my own way to

communicate my views... This is actually not the

most important issue to me. There are lots of things I can talk about. I don't need to come to Turning Point. I can take a year off, no problem.

I hated... seeing how much he was suffering. The hassle he was getting...

from people... And I was being attacked, too, by the way, was a huge effort. I wasn't fully aware of it, actually,

because I don't go online that much, but there was a huge effort by people,

some of whom I know and have helped. And like Seth Dillon, the Babylon Bee,

for example, someone who had his own

problems with free speech, who was famously canceled. I like Seth Dylan.

I had him on a couple of times. I had dinner with him to show support. Seth Dillon was out there demanding that

Charlie Kirk take me off the roster, pull me off stage... Because I had said things that

Bibi didn't like or that he didn't like or whatever.

Shocking that someone whose whole Persona

is wrapped up in the idea that we all get to speak. And if you don't like it, make a more compelling case that that person... and many others like him were advocating For me getting pulled off the stage... because they don't like what I'm saying. This is a trend and one that we

should be really concerned about. It's not just about Israel, by the way,

at all. The trend is really simple. People with power don't

want to hear disagreement. They don't want to be challenged, ever. That's why we have free speech. To acknowledge that even those of us... or people with less power still

have a right to talk because they're human beings. You don't own them. So time after time, Charlie would call me or come

to see me and let me know, wow.

Or show me text messages. These people are really

mad that you're speaking. And I always have the same thought, like,

I feel pretty moderate, actually. I've never been an Israel hater,

obviously, I'm not an anti Semite... I just don't want more wars and

I don't want a foreign country humiliating my country and telling

us what our laws have to be. I mean, this seems like pretty

basic America first stuff. And he would say,

I totally agree with you, you, but they want you off the stage. And I would always say, no problem. And he would say, no, it's important. It's a matter of principle. I want you to be there...

Great. By the way, I'm not accusing anyone of being

involved in that murder. I'm not trying to... mutter darkly or imply...

anything. We don't. There's a lot we don't know about

who murdered Charlie and why. But I.

I don't know. And I'm not gonna pretend that I do. But I think it's important

to say that out loud because it's a fact.

And there are many liars out there trying. Bibi Netanyahu, number one among them,

shamefully, who are trying to distort the truth, a truth that I know and can prove. And the last thing I'll say about Charlie

is that his views were changing... on topics that had nothing

to do with foreign policy. You know,

the famous kind of red line third rail. Can't talk about it. but it's possible that the subject that makes people even matter... in Washington, New York and LA than...

having... non conventional foreign policy views is

having non conventional economic views. Man they really don't like that at all. And Charlie's views on economics. And on the way that wealth is

distributed in the United States Were changing fast. Really

changing fast and hardening. Not because he was a socialist.

Hardly. He was about as much

of a socialist as I am. Not at all. But because he lived here and he

spent a lot of time with young people. And he couldn't help but notice because

he was an observant and honest person. That they're not thriving at all. And that the chances they'll have

lives comparable to the ones they had growing up are very small. Most of them won't have houses. They won't own anything. They'll be in debt. And for that reason,

they won't get married or have children. And so the people who are born here Won't continue their legacy

in the United States. It's the end of our civilization. And the root of a lot

of this is spiritual, but the root is also economic. And it raises a question, a basic question of fairness. And I tried to address this in the

speech that I gave for Charlie in July. I don't think I did a very good job, and it was misinterpreted. But I invoked Bill Ackman. And the point I was making had

nothing to do with Bill Ackman being a criminal or even being an Epstein

friend. I mean,

I don't really know anything about that. I don't know much about.

I'm not accusing Bill Ackman of a crime. And I'm not accusing him of, you know, being a sex creep or Mossad agent or anything like that. I don't think that. I don't know that for sure. And I wasn't trying to say it. What I was trying to say is that Bill Ackman is not creative,

not particularly intelligent. Bill ackman is worth $7 billion. So you have to ask, like, how.

and it seems to me... that Bill Ackman is rich for the

same reasons that a lot of other people I know are rich... Because he's hyper aggressive... and he's well connected. And my only point was. If you live in a society that awards

the spoils to people on the basis of those two qualities... Like the most aggressive. The best connected people get the richest. That's a dysfunctional society. There should be a reward for creativity and. And decency and hard work, steadfastness, following the rules. Like you should have to add to

the sum total of your society, you'd think. It's not an argument

against the free market. It's the argument against Whatever

we're living through right now, this is really dark and ugly. And if people like bill ackman

are getting the richest, what has bill ackman done? Shorted the market or something?

Talk down herbalife. I mean, I'm not even saying

that should be illegal. All I'm saying is, if that's one of the richest

guys in your society, you've got a very sick society. I don't think bill ackman's like

a drooling idiot or anything. But, like, when was the last time. You heard bill ackman say

something constructive or creative? Like, never.

So it's just bad. And it's not just about bill ackman,

of course. I mean, he's just a minor player

in the life of the world. But he's a kind of metaphor for how

off track we've gone. And that doesn't seem

like a socialist point. Once again, I'm hardly a socialist,

and neither was charlie kirk. That seems like a christian point... Fairness is at the root of. Of the christian story. People will be judged not by who their

parents were or by how they look, but on their hearts, on themselves,

on choices that they made. That's fair. So again, fairness is essential to the gospel. And it's essential to any working society.

In a fair society, or a society that... its citizens believe is fair, People will comply

voluntarily with the rules. Because they don't think the game is rigged... But in a society in which bill ackman.

Bill Ackman makes $7 billion. And like, the smartest,

hardest working, most interesting, creative young people, you know,

can never own a home in a society like that. You're going to get mamdani as mayor. You're going to get a lot of bad things. Because people will

opt out of the society. Because they know it's not fair,

it's rigged. That's the only point

I was trying to make. And charlie, not surprisingly,

made it much more eloquently. I thought...

in an amazing interview. The last interview I did with him late July of this year.

Here's part of it. We know how to create wealth,

but we don't know how to create it for the generation that needs it most. If you look at the economic conditions, you would think the other conditions

surrounding it Are like abject poverty. These are the problems that, like,

third world nations have. I know our young people can't afford stuff. And they have to finance

their basic necessities. And yet we're the wealthiest

nation in the history of the world. On the planet.

We have a $37 trillion... GDP. We have the greatest companies and

we have all this stuff to brag about. And yet all of our problems

would beg the question... And it's like this inherent contradiction. We're super wealthy on one side,

like a powerhouse juggernaut, and we are like an economic nightmare on the other side. How did that happen? So if there is such a thing as

the left in the United States, if it still exists,

you would think a message like that would at least get a hearing,

a respectful hearing. like, hey, what about wages?.. What about the ability of young

people to just buy a little house with some lawn in some subdivision?

Like what? Isn't that kind of what

they say they want? Empower, you know,

the most vulnerable, the people who try hard

and play by the rules. They called him a Nazi. They didn't care that Charlie Kirk in

real life spent his... time trying to stop...

war. trying to, you know, figure out how young people could

buy a little house somewhere. Aren't those like left wing goals? they didn't care at all. In fact, they hated that because they're for war,

because they're for death, because they're for the

inequality he described because it leads to a volatile

society that empowers them. Of course.

they're not a check on power. The professional left,

the trans community. they're the shock troops of power. Charlie Kirk was a check on power. Charlie Kirk,

inspired by his Christian faith, stood up to people

fearlessly to say what he thought was true. And for that, I will always love and admire him. I want to go down to someone else

who loved and admired him and knew him well and played a pretty, I think, important role in the final months of his life. And that is my old friend...

Megan Kelly. Megan, thanks so much for coming on. Oh, Tucker, thanks for having me. That was a barn burner, man. You hit on some really

important big points. I don't even remember what I said,

but I meant it. So I just want to start.

So you had this experience... last week that I, you know,

I've always prayed. I never have...

You were... on live...

You were live when... the news came in that our friend had been

shot in the throat and your reaction... was captured for all time on camera. And I just want to start by...

playing it. I thought it was just an

incredible moment that said so much about you and about him.

So here it is. Oh, well, looks like we don't have the Well in it.

You said the line that stuck out to me. Your first reaction was he was Sent by God... That's the first thing you said

you'd not heard this news before. Why was that your gut

reaction to his shooting? Because I had spent so much time

with him over the past few years, just on the air.

Tucker. I never went out to dinner with Charlie. I didn't know him quite like that, like a. Like a personal friend. But I'd had him on the show... more than 15 times. I'd been on his show repeatedly. I'd been to multiple

Turning Point events and, you know,

talked with him backstage quite a bit. Just done a lot with him professionally,

a lot... And, I mean, I wonder if he's been on anybody's

show as much as he was on mine over the past couple of years. And I got to know his thoughts on virtually everything.

And I saw what people are seeing now, how they were all...

infused with his Christian faith, that he was a truly happy warrior, that he gave almost everyone

the benefit of the doubt, that he had a much more positive and optimistic

outlook on humanity than I do, and I think.

Than you do. I mean,

I think we're a couple of cynical mofos. yes

yes And...

Charlie... wasn't. Charlie was. He was like an angel. This picture that the left is his painting of him in the news is totally foreign to my understanding of Charlie

or to anything I've known. And I watched Charlie on his show, too...

I know, I know. The things they say he said that were controversial, they just fundamentally choose to

misunderstand and misinterpret him. I mean, he was. You need look no further than Erika... in order to see... that he was real. Like her goodness, her love,

their love story, her...

strength in the wake of his death... That's the woman he loved,

and that's a woman who loved him. Why?

Because he was some devil figure?.. The opposite. These two were as wholesome... as you could find. And everything he said was from

his love of humanity and his belief that they could do better...

I mean, I. Much more like, no, they can't. Let's move on without them. Like, we've gotta, you know.

And Charlie, I mean,

in all of these college campus exchanges, whenever.

Talking about most people, he would feel... like everyone...

was... Could be redeemed. And if he could just get to them,

if he could just talk to them, if he could just buoy them up with hope, they would.

They would do better. They could see themselves

as Charlie saw them, as God sees them. And I just ran into that optimism and

that positivity from Charlie so often that I really did see him as God's Messenger Tucker

as an angel sent to us. And it's like, we didn't deserve him. I feel like he's gone now because we. We didn't deserve him. Man, you are too deep for cable news... No wonder you left. That's just such a beautiful summation and so insightful.

I'm not sucking up. I mean it.

That's. I wish I had said half of that in my open. So.

But why is that so provocative? I've been thinking about

this since he was murdered. Like, what? Of all the people that

we know in our business, you know, the kind of. Let me give you my opinion.

Business. I think it's fair to say

he was the kindest. I mean, for real.

And in private, too. He. Even people he was really mad at,

he would always say, well, I try, you know, I understand where that

person's coming from. It's like, wow, He. His decency was a challenge to me,

who struggles to be... that.

Why?.. Why. Why was that so offensive to people? Because it was power. It's.

It's so much more powerful, frankly, than negativity.

Negativity and anger. it's infectious. You know, it's a contagion.

It. yeah It's like a magnet for people.

Whether they like him or not, they're drawn to him.

And he was converting people, so he was a huge threat. That's really, like. I've been asking myself this question a lot over the past week.

You know, let's take the accused

shooter in this case. And let's say, okay, this.

This was. yes It was motivated... exactly as the authorities say.

And he was. He thought Charlie is, quote, too hateful. And this is a guy who's

into furries and he's into trannies, and he's living with one. And, you know, all the things. Why would Charlie have been

targeted by this guy for that? Why would it be Charlie? You say all the same things. I say all the same things. Most of the people in our space

and in conservative or independent media say those things...

Why? Why Charlie?

And... sadly, I think it's this factor.

It's this magnetism from him, this positivity,

this aura, like that. This angel like, aura around him that was so incredibly threatening,

way more threatening... than the rest of us because it was powerful...

and it was winning people over. It was converting people at a rapid...

rate. And not just any people, but young people, you know, the people who had never

been converted before. The people for whom people who talk like you and talk

like me had never even tried. They weren't Even players on the field,

it was. They were seeded in the whole battle... And he said, no,

no, no, no, no,

we're not seeding them. I'm going to start at 18 to speaking to them in a way that

they can hear and understand me. And I'm going to practice it... You know, for the past 13 years, he practiced. He went out campus after campus. In the beginning,

he wasn't as good as he was. In the end, he was good,

but he wasn't as good. And so it was a skill he

developed over time that made him more and more threatening, more and more effective.

And you look at the... numbers just in the presidential election, it's not an overstatement to say that

Donald Trump has Charlie to thank for his election in November 2024, swinging the youth vote by nine...

points... Yeah, we've never seen anything like

it in the past hundred years. You don't swing the youth

vote toward a Republican... Nothing in modern presidential politics. So he was...

a really integral, hugely important player,

even though he was so understated... and projected zero ego.

So you didn't see him like that. He didn't have sort of

the swagger of that... In most of his public appearances, he was quick to subjugate himself

to whomever he was talking to, but he was way more important than he ever let on. yes And I think that's why he was perceived as such a threat. That's why him saying the things others...

would say carried an extra layer of threat yet both to this shooter and

to Charlie's many different detractors... And I just want to add

as a period to this, as a footnote, I guess,

to this, Tucker, you have a lot of it, too. And it is the reason

why Charlie is not the only one who's been threatened or was threatened

to cut ties with you or not.

Platform, you. I, too, have gotten that, especially since you've been more

outspoken on Israel. And I...

couldn't care less the amount of pressure they put.

Like what? What are you talking about? This is madness. Why would you want to

silence such a powerful, important voice just because you disagree

with them on one subject, one on which we've all watched

you sincerely evolve as you grapple with principles you've been espousing for years, like America first, like what's happening to Christians,

like what's best for us and our kids here? How do I keep them safe?

That's my... number one priority. And I've been just absolutely

disgusted and recoiled from people who have tried to pressure me on it. it of course, never happened... But I know from speaking to Charlie,

he felt it, too. You've heard it from Charlie. That he felt. And there is a layer here of nefarious pressure to have certain narratives go only one way. yes That must be called

out and must be fought. Well, I should have said in my open... that when Charlie was

denounced as anti Semitic and, quote, dangerous by the American

Jewish committee you were too... That.

That. That was a press.

I don't know if you've ever even seen it. And I just remember when

I read that at the time, thinking, okay,

these are like two of the most pro Israel, basically pro Israel people, like, on the Internet.

I don't understand. So I do.

I. Maybe we should have this offline,

but let's just have it now. I don't get that. Why would you attack. There are definitely

people who hate Israel, who are not anti Semites or people

in Israel who are anti Semites. There's a whole range... And then there are, like,

people who have, like, you know, religious reasons for

wanting to blow up Israel. right Those are all threats... Why would they be

attacking you and Charlie? And honestly, I feel like me. I mean, what is that?

Why attack people who are pretty reasonable, who don't want to get

into a fight on the topic, who just want to, like,

have their country thrive? Why denounce them as

dangerous anti Semites? What is that? And let me just underscore

for your audience what I had said.

I mean, the sum total of what I had said when

they started coming for me, just to show the absurdity of this, I had said on Piers Morgan... that Israel was losing the PR war, that they had lost the Democrats and

the independents and were starting to lose the Republican Party in America. And it was time to wrap it up.

Which was... a quote from Donald Trump, who had said it a year earlier

when he was still a candidate... Time to wrap it up. That's what I said about Israel. And then at Turning Point... at the Student Action...

Summit with Charlie, we talked all about Epstein

and my appearance there. It was all about Pam Bondi, frankly. And we talked about whether he might

possibly be an asset for someone. right And I said he might be... And Israel, yeah, would make sense to me.

Didn't know. But that's one of the things

we should consider and look at. And that will conclude the list of things

I said about Israel that after two years of going on the air and defending them and every...

week turned some weird crowd into, she's an anti Semite.

So, I mean, f these people, because it's a lie.

It was even... more of a lie about Charlie,

who had said even less than me. He had said nothing,

like absolutely nothing. And they use those terms about him because he was on the other side of me

when we had that discussion. And because he hosted you and because, and because he had the

nerve to invite Dave Smith in a debate because he allowed one side to be

represented and he had the Israel side fully represented too... So this was just such

an unfair accusation. And I don't know why you know these very ardent advocates

don't accept friendship when you offer it, when you've proven that you are genuinely a friend. I've said openly, Tucker. there's no, I am not

I don't want to debate. I'm on their side. There's no reason to put somebody

on this show so they can convince me that Israel's right. I'm on their side. I agree with that... But in response to those

comments and then ultimately having Marjorie Taylor Greene on where... we criticized aipac, I mean,

who, who defends a lobbyist group? They treated me like I was Mehdi Hassan. Not everybody, you know, but like the loudest

Israel Defenders and the, and to turn around and call

Charlie Kirk an anti Semite is such a disgusting smear... Then you're right.

He's young. You know, he, he was young... and wasn't used to

being attacked like that by people who supported him

and people whose donations are actually really important to the

ongoing existence of his organization. And it took a lot for him to say no

to them and it took a lot for him to be honest about the fact that his opinions had evolved. And let's face it, Charlie was like an unofficial

spokesperson for the youth of America, in particular conservative youth. And I don't know if people have checked, but they no longer support Israel and

everybody under 30 is against Israel. Charlie was 31. no And so as a friend, he's,

he's saying to them as. Same way I, as a friend, I'm saying, I am telling you, you've lost Dems independence and you're

starting to lose Republicans. You need to wrap it up. You've had a two year...

long leash. I know you want your hostages back, but... this cannot go on until

you have every hostage. That's just not going to, you're going to lose

every friend you have. And that's what he was saying because

that's what he was hearing from his... constituency. And so what he did to them was

brave and noble to the donors who were very, very pro Israel,

it was brave and it was noble. He did not deserve to be smeared over it.

of course And look, I, like you, have...

zero belief that this had anything

to do with his death. But it's part of the larger

narrative that you're making, that he... was a truth teller,

that he was a fearless truth teller, and that there were a lot of pockets when he turned to them and

said those truths that grew extremely uncomfortable... And whether it was some too online.

disgusting, messed up 22 year old...

in Utah or, you know, somebody who couldn't stand his

messaging that was very frank around... race or around Islam, whatever, take your pick.

He said the hard truths on all of these things... I think a lot of people have to have a really ugly conversation

with themselves now in the wake of his death about whether they added to

the hate surrounding him. And for... Benjamin Netanyahu really

tormented Charlie... We talked about it many times. He tormented Charlie and his

advocates tormented Charlie. For him to run around saying that

Charlie died for Israel is just too much. It's just disgusting.

And as his friend, I feel morally bound to say that. no

That that statement was out of line

No, I agree with you. And I never talk about Bibi Netanyahu.

I don't really, I don't think much about him.

I don't. no I just don't. I had the opportunity to interview

him a couple months ago and I, I declined.

I'm just, I'm just not.

No, I just don't want to. I didn't want to platform him.

I didn't actually, frankly want to do all the work

that I would have to do to... sufficiently interview him in a way that would be, you know,

tough, as I do when I have any foreign

leader in my crosshairs. I just wasn't interested. I, whatever.

For him to do what he did was... wrong.

It was deeply, it was a moral wrong... to sit out there and read

part of Charlie's letter and try to have the final say on

Charlie's pronunciations about... Israel.

And he knew that they weren't the full story. And he's a foreign leader. He's not an American leader.

So how dare he? You know, at best, you come out there,

you say, I'm so sorry for this loss, my prayers to his family...

That's it. right He was out of line, Tucker and I,

as not even a Netanyahu critic, saw it very clearly and talked

about it today on the show, too. Can I ask you about next steps?

I'm always wary of people who want to. I just want to ask you about two issues. One, are hate speech laws,

which I'm paranoid about, but I think we should be. And two is the effort by... one person in Congress,

Marjorie Taylor Greene, to get the federal government to ban sex changes for children, and she can't seem to get that done. So are we going to get... hate speech laws, do you think? Pam Bondi seems to suggest we are. And two, are we ever going to ban the mutilation of kids? So, on the hate speech comments, that was an absolutely ridiculous

comment she made today. I mean, it was absolutely foolhardy. There's just no way she doesn't know

what she said is legally unsound. She's. There's just no way she was

Attorney General of the state of Florida and became U.S. attorney General and doesn't know that. So it does worry me because does that mean she's actually

pushing for a policy change?.. Because there's just no way she doesn't

already know what she said is wrong. There's been reams of Supreme

Court precedent on it, and she knows that.

So is this about policy change? She tried to wiggle off of her

original point as the day went on, as incoming came almost

universally from the right, that she had said something very, very wrong, constitutionally and vile as a moral principle. We've been fighting against

this for decades on the right. Like what, what is she saying? She sounded like a Merrick Garland. She sounded like an attorney general

Kamala Harris would have put in place. And so she tried to pivot off of

it as the day went on and tried to make it smaller.

And, you know, all I'm saying is violent threats, criminal threats... are, are going to be punished.

Well, yes and no.

It depends on the threat. There's actually only a

sliver of threats that, that is actionable...

under the law. So you're getting closer,

but you're not quite there. You're. You're giving, again,

still wide, too wide a berth... to attacking free speech. But, yeah,

it is true that certain threats, true threats,

can be ruled unconstitutional. You could go after somebody. So she does worry me, and, you know, I'm not. Trump was asked about it and he

kind of made a funny joke about it going after the ABC News interviewer who

asked him the question. right But I think Trump will see that there's

so much resistance to this on the right that he won't let her do that. He won't let her push for it,

and he won't let the Republicans... do it.

I just have to think Trump reads his base better than she does. Yeah, I agree with that. And speaking of reading your base, and I've got to thank

the presidents for this, I don't know why... Speaker Mike Johnson has held it up. But, I mean, we don't let kids get

tattoos or smoke cigarettes, but we do let ghoulish doctors who are getting money for doing it... mutilate children.

Like, why can't Marjorie Taylor Greene

get a hearing on this legislation?.. I don't understand. I know

I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, like this,

they, they chalk this up to, oh, it's a spending resolution. We're just going to continue, you know,

the spending that's in place until, right. It's like, okay,

you're, you're funding mutilations of children... and not just the mutilations

that are done with surgeries, you're funding with these, you know,

puberty blockers into cross sex hormones, sterilization of minors who

cannot possibly consent to that. And not just sterilization, but actually the end of all

potential for sexual pleasure. How does a 12 year old understand that he's sacrificing that with

your weird experiments on him?.. It is truly a moral scorch,

what we're doing to our children... And I don't actually, I'm sorry to say I don't have a lot

of faith that that's going to get a ban at the federal level, which means it'll be left to the states, which means if you live in a blue state, it's, it's go, you know,

have at it, go ahead and mutilate children... and sterilize them and deprive

them of sexual pleasure. exactly They, because it makes you feel good. It's not dissimilar... to the left saying Trump shouldn't

add additional law enforcement... They shouldn't accept additional law

enforcement where he wants to send it, because it's racist to let black...

people live. It's racist to let them live in peace, to not be carjacked in these inner cities

which are predominantly African American. That's what the left is telling us, that it's racist for Trump

to send those troops... or even volunteer. And they're saying the same,

that what's good for children, what's, what's kind, what's, you know,

the honorable thing to do... is to let deranged parents chop

off children's healthy body parts and sterilize them, because that's what, that's what...

an evolved person would do. And so that, like, that's another thing that this angel

sent to us would speak very frankly about and threaten all these people

who have a constituency, whether it's someone with

a last Name Pritzker, who actually has money invested

in the transing of children. That governor's cousin is

one of the big funders... of all these school pushes on the trans issue. Or somebody who just... gets Jones out of saying they're,

you know, gonna open the prisons and... let black people not get arrested for the crimes because they just think that's beneficial,

I guess, somehow to other black people who are usually their victims,

never mind the race of the victim. yeah It's not beneficial to any of us...

In any event. I don't have hope on that front. We're going to keep fighting... But if they don't ban

it at the federal level, which I don't think they're going to. we're never going to get

all 50 states to ban it. I think it'd be worth reading a

daily roll call of people standing in the way of that,

because... that's the kind of crime

that historians will reel in horror that we allowed. I think your remarks about Charlie

at the beginning were like some of the wisest I've ever heard.

And I'm actually going to look at the

tape because I was so impressed by what you said and moved by it.

So, Megan Kelly, thank you for taking time

late at night to do this. I appreciate it. Great to be with you, as always. Thank you.

All right, well, we have someone joining us now

who are just really, really grateful to have someone who has been famous for decades for a different skill and in the last 10 years has really emerged as

a consistent voice of wisdom online and never interviewed him before,

but really happy to, I don't think. Scott Adams joins us now. Scott, thanks very much for doing that. Thanks for having me, Tucker.

Yeah. we talked once before. quite a Few years ago, and it was on FOX News. And I've just erased that

whole part of my brain. It's like CTE or something. I can't really... remember what I did there. I think I'm ashamed of some of it. But anyway.

tell us what you think the lesson of Charlie

Kirk's life and death are like.

What. What strikes you

Immediately Well, you know, one of the big questions

is how did somebody get to that place where it seemed perfectly reasonable

for them to get a gun and. And shoot a living human being? yes

yes some people know in your audience

that I'm also a hypnotist. I'm a trained hypnotist. And so I tend to look at these

situations through that filter. And through that filter, you can see a really

clear cause and effect, you know, starting around. Let's say 2016, there was wall to wall Hitler, Hitler,

Nazis. 24 hours before that there had been

other Republicans who had been accused of being Hitler. But I think that everybody

treated it like hyperbole, you know, oh,

it's just, you know, it's a, it's a political insult and it's the most common one,

so you don't take it too seriously. but imagine being a...

young kid... and growing up when the, the news,

the people in nice clothing... would go on TV and they would say,

in all seriousness, I, you know, he's basically Hitler,

the Nazis are coming. And you would, you would create

yes a mass hysteria... Now a mass hysteria would be worse than TDS or Trump derangement syndrome, because that would be sort of

what happens to an individual, you know, that could have tds. But if you have a lot of

people who have TDS... and they start talking to each other,

pretty soon you've got a mass hysteria. And the mass hysteria created this what I call a hit larian bubble, meaning that a lot of people are living in what they think is a reality that is just completely hiltlerized.

They see... Hitler everywhere and

they see it in Trump, they see it in his lieutenants. And this is different. So this is not like

what we've seen before. All it takes to completely

brainwash somebody to believe ridiculous things,

even things that their observations would, you should tell them are not true... All you need is people in good suits...

who, whose job makes them seem credible to say day after day,

it's the repetition that matters. Hitler, Hitler, Hitler... And you convince people that they're

living in a hellscape and they better do something about it. So, so the main thing I saw was that. you know, once the bubble is formed. it's hard to get out. You can't talk people out of it. There's no amount of information

that will change their mind. Cognitive dissonance will kick in...

if you show them a counter example. And the weird thing about Charlie, who I'd never met by the way. I didn't have the pleasure. The weird thing is that when I

started hearing all the accusations... and there were a lot of them, I said to myself, well, I'll bet some of these

might be a little bit true. So I started to look

for the original quotes, et cetera.

None of them are true. And there were a lot of them. They were all either a made up quote or a quote and a context and nothing else. And when you hear people talking about it,

especially the young people, they'll say things like he was a bad...

hater... person.

but there's no example. So that's sort of the, the sign that it's, you know,

a mass hysteria because they can't give reasons and they

don't seem too interested in the reasons. They're just sure that

something has to be done. Now, on top of that,

for the young people, there's probably also an economic... pressure, you know,

that they might feel that... life doesn't have a positive path. So that, that might be playing

into this a little bit as well.

But I do wonder what will happen. And I predict that there's

going to be another big bubble of psychological...

distress when the people who have said such

bad things about him in public realize that none of it was true. Because over time it looks like he's

going to be talked about with so much... that we'll, you know,

we'll finally have a complete body of information...

about him so we can understand them. And it won't happen to most people. Most people will just have

cognitive dissonance... They'll still believe he was, you know, Hitler Jr.

But... there will be some people, you know, not, not a big percentage who are going to realize

that they did something so shameful... that it will haunt them

for the rest of their lives that, that they were part of saying something terrible about one of the best people that we've witnessed. I mean, he,

he genuinely was a high character person and you can see in everything he did. So...

there's something big coming up. But then...

another thing that happened that was fascinating to me... because I didn't expect it, which was... the Democrats have always

had what I'd call a machine, which is that since they

worked with the media, they had the media in their pocket... You would see it happen

when they'd have some. Our message this week... are these words. And then everybody

would say the same words and then the media would just...

pump it out. So it was like this big, well functioning machine. And then they had the NGOs

and all the funding tricks, et cetera.

But when Charlie Kirk...

died, you could almost feel this massive energy...

being released. You know, he, he sort of controlled it.

But when it was released, you know,

his, his mortal coil was no more.

I feel like that energy just... went into people

and... suddenly tens of millions of people simultaneously... said, what can I do? What can I do?

Right now? That's different. People don't say, I'm going to stop everything, tell me what to do... I'm going to go to church. A lot of people did. I'm going to Say stuff on social media. I'm going to hunt down the people who said bad things and cancel them. But I'm going to do something. You know, we're,

we're, we're going to figure out how

to start another chapter of, you know, TP usa. And all of that's happening,

and it doesn't seem to be slowing down, you know, the vigils, etc. If anything, the energy. it might be growing. And I've never seen

anything like it in my life. I've never seen the Republicans turn into their own machine. And now it is a machine and it's going to be incredible.

so you know, I, I was thinking yesterday,

it sounds like a joke, but it's quite serious. The thing that protects the Democrats from, you know,

also having some kind of problem like this is that they don't have any leaders

that are worth taking off the board. I mean, if you said to me somebody's got a plot... to take Tim Walz off the board,

I would say, oh, no, no. If you're a Republican,

you want to keep him there... because...

he's not doing a good job. You know, your Jasmine Crockets,

your Chuck Schumers. I say, please...

keep them right where they are. They're doing a great job... Nobody needs to harm them. But on top of that. I don't believe that Republicans,

conservatives ever even think that way. I've never heard one say anything suggesting violence, like,

not even in just a casual conversation. The joking way. You might do it in private, nothing like that... And I think it has to

do with the fact that overall, the conservatives, the Republicans,

MAGA people tend to look at Democrats...

almost... as if they're clo