Brian Entin Investigates Tyler Robinson Arrest: Charging Documents Reveal Details Behind Charlie Kirk Assassination at Utah Valley University

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[00:04] behind me is the jail in Utah where

[00:07] Tyler Robinson is being held right now.

[00:10] Tyler Robinson is the man that

[00:12] authorities say shot and killed Charlie

[00:15] Kirk, a 22-year-old man, arrested 1000

[00:18] p.m. Thursday night. I'm getting new

[00:20] details. I just got all of the court

[00:22] documents. I'm going to go through

[00:23] everything that I know about Tyler

[00:25] Robinson at this point in this episode.

[00:28] also talking to a former FBI agent with

[00:31] some sources about how all of this went

[00:33] down. Why? Why did Tyler Robinson do

[00:36] this? His family says he got more into

[00:39] politics, that he did not like Charlie

[00:41] Kirk, but what would turn him into a

[00:43] killer? I'm getting into all of it in

[00:45] this edition of Brian Investigates. Hey

[00:48] guys. Um, so I just got the official

[00:50] charging documents from the court here

[00:52] in Utah for Tyler Robinson. Um, the

[00:55] charges right now are aggravated murder,

[00:59] felony discharge of a firearm causing

[01:01] serious bodily injury, and obstruction

[01:03] of justice, capital first-degree felony

[01:05] conduct. We know that the governor is

[01:08] asking for the death penalty. And I just

[01:09] want to read you, this is the probable

[01:11] cause affidavit. I want to read it to

[01:12] you word for word so you know exactly

[01:14] what they are basing these charges on.

[01:17] Um, says, "The following information was

[01:19] obtained by your uh from police

[01:21] officers. multiple video recordings

[01:23] posted on social media websites, Utah

[01:25] Valley University campus surveillance

[01:27] cameras, and those who witnessed the

[01:29] incident. On September 10th, 2025,

[01:32] Charles James Kirk was at Utah Valley

[01:35] University, UVU, campus uh in ORM, Utah

[01:38] for a political event. Mr. Kirk is a

[01:40] conservative political activist who was

[01:42] scheduled to speak at an event in the

[01:44] courtyard area of the UVU campus. The

[01:47] courtyard area is the west uh west of

[01:49] the Lucy Center building. According to

[01:51] video recordings, Charles was wearing a

[01:53] white t-shirt and dark pants, sitting

[01:55] under a white canopy in a courtyard of

[01:58] the campus facing to the east. The event

[02:00] was attended by hundreds of individuals.

[02:02] Charles was surrounded by people with

[02:04] multiple individuals to his left, right,

[02:06] and rear, and front of the canopy.

[02:08] Behind the canopy was a walkway used for

[02:11] access to various parts of the

[02:13] university.

[02:14] Charles was holding a microphone and

[02:16] speaking to a crowd. While speaking into

[02:18] the microphone, a loud gunshot was heard

[02:21] at approximately 12:23 and Charles

[02:24] appeared to have been hit in the neck.

[02:26] Blood was seen coming out of the left

[02:28] side of his neck as he fell over to his

[02:30] left. Charles was transported uh to the

[02:32] hospital in Oram. Charles was pronounced

[02:34] deceased at the hospital. Investigators

[02:37] reviewed the Utah Valley University

[02:39] surveillance cameras. While reviewing

[02:41] the surveillance cameras, investigators

[02:42] observed an individual on the rooftop of

[02:46] uh the Losi Center building on the UVU

[02:48] campus at the time of the shooting.

[02:50] Hereafter, the unidentified individual

[02:52] will be referred to as suspect. Based on

[02:55] surveillance camera footage, suspect

[02:57] appears to be a white male with

[02:59] dark-colored hair wearing a dark-colored

[03:02] hat, sunglasses, a long black sleeve

[03:05] shirt with a picture of an American flag

[03:07] and colored shoelaces. The shoes appear

[03:10] to be consistent with Chuck Taylor

[03:11] Converse style shoes. Suspect is also

[03:14] carrying a dark-colored backpack on his

[03:16] back. Suspect walks with a distinct

[03:19] distinctive gate. This is interesting

[03:21] here. Prior to the shooting, suspect

[03:24] appears to walk off with a stiff right

[03:26] leg prior to the shooting and at a

[03:28] relatively slow pace. Suspect's ability

[03:31] to bend his right leg appears to be

[03:33] restricted. Remember, there's this

[03:36] theory that uh he had the gun, the rifle

[03:39] under his clothes in that TMZ video when

[03:41] he was walking to the shooting and, you

[03:43] know, under a shirt and pants and that's

[03:45] why he was limping like that because he

[03:46] was not limping like that in the

[03:47] surveillance video. Uh, investigators

[03:49] were able to track suspects movements on

[03:51] the UVU campus starting at approximately

[03:54] 11:50 on September 10th. At

[03:56] approximately 11:50, a UVU surveillance

[03:58] camera first captured suspect walking

[04:01] across a grassy area north of Campus

[04:03] Drive at approximately 800 West. Suspect

[04:06] walked south through the parking lot and

[04:08] approached a pedestrian tunnel that runs

[04:11] underneath Campus Drive. Before entering

[04:13] the tunnel, suspect paused at the top of

[04:15] the stairs and pulled out what appeared

[04:17] to be a cell phone from his right pocket

[04:19] using his right hand. At approximately

[04:22] 11:53, suspect eventually put what

[04:24] appears to be a cell phone back in his

[04:26] right uh pants pocket using his right

[04:29] hand. Surveillance captured suspect

[04:31] making his way toward the lassi center.

[04:34] At approximately 12:02, suspect was

[04:37] recorded walking on the north side of

[04:39] this uh building, walking with the same

[04:41] gate as observed earlier. Suspect

[04:43] entered the building through a set of

[04:45] doors on the southeast corner.

[04:48] um

[04:49] and uh walked to a short concrete wall

[04:53] that separates the common area from the

[04:54] rooftop of the building. At

[04:56] approximately 1217, suspect climbed over

[04:58] the short wall and appeared to crouch

[05:00] down on the north side of the wall on

[05:03] the rooftop. At approximately 12:22,

[05:05] suspect stood up and started running

[05:07] across the rooftop. Uh the notable limp

[05:10] from the previous surveillance video was

[05:12] absent, and I noticed that too. I I

[05:14] pointed that out in the video that I

[05:15] posted early this morning. The

[05:17] surveillance video of him running is

[05:19] very different than the video that TMZ

[05:21] posted where he um has a major um a

[05:25] major, you know, like limp. So then it

[05:28] says um so then it says suspect ran to

[05:31] the west side of the rooftop and

[05:32] appeared to scoot along the rooftop area

[05:34] as he got closer to the edge of the

[05:37] rooftop at approximately 12:22. suspect

[05:40] laid down in a position consistent with

[05:42] a prone shooting position near the edge

[05:45] of the rooftop and appeared to be facing

[05:47] west in the direction of the courtyard

[05:48] area. The rooftop uh of the building

[05:51] overlooks the courtyard area where the

[05:53] event featured Charlie Kirk uh was

[05:54] taking place. The building is east of

[05:56] the courtyard area. At approximately

[05:58] 12:23, Charlie Kirk was shot. At

[06:01] approximately 12:23, surveillance shows

[06:03] the suspect stood up suddenly from the

[06:05] edge of the rooftop and sprinted north

[06:07] on the rooftop. Uh, suspect ran to the

[06:10] northeast corner and approached the edge

[06:12] of the rooftop. Suspect placed a

[06:13] dark-colored item on the rooftop and

[06:15] proceeded to lower himself off the

[06:17] rooftop. Again, this is the video that

[06:19] we have we've seen. Suspect dropped off

[06:21] the rooftop onto the grass below.

[06:22] Suspect ran uh north near the parking

[06:25] lot to the east of the Lassi Center at

[06:27] approximately 12:24. Suspect ran north

[06:30] across the campus drive road. Suspect

[06:32] appeared to be carrying an item whose

[06:34] identity uh is not clear from the

[06:36] surveillance. The area to the north of

[06:39] Campus Drive Road where suspect crossed

[06:41] over consists of a grassy area with

[06:42] trees on the edge of the UVU campus.

[06:45] Investigators discovered a boltaction

[06:47] rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel.

[06:52] Um the rifle was determined to be a uh

[06:55] uh boltaction rifle. The rifle had a

[06:58] scope mounted on top of it.

[06:59] Investigators noted inscriptions

[07:02] that had been engraved on casings found

[07:04] with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired

[07:07] casing read notices bulge. Own what's

[07:11] this? Inscriptions on the three unfired

[07:13] casings read uh hey fascist catch up

[07:17] arrow symbol right arrow symbol and

[07:19] three down arrow symbols. A second

[07:21] unfired casing read oh bellachchow

[07:24] bellachchow bellachchow chow chow. And a

[07:27] third unfired casing read if you read

[07:29] this uh you are gay looo. So la laugh

[07:32] laughing my ass off. Investigators also

[07:34] discovered a shoe impression on the

[07:35] northeast corner rooftop edge of the

[07:37] building. The shoe impression was

[07:38] located in the vicinity where the

[07:40] suspect climbed down the from the

[07:41] rooftop. The shoe impression is

[07:43] consistent with the shoe sole

[07:45] characteristics again of Converse. So on

[07:47] the evening of September 11th, 2025, a

[07:50] family member of Tyler Robinson reached

[07:52] out to a family friend who contacted the

[07:53] Washington County Sheriff's Office with

[07:55] information that Robinson had confessed

[07:57] to them or implied that he had committed

[07:59] the incident. The information was

[08:01] relayed to Utah County Sheriff's Office

[08:03] uh and scene investigators at UVU. The

[08:06] information was also conveyed to the

[08:08] FBI. Uh investigators revealed

[08:10] additional video footage from UVU

[08:12] surveillance and identified Robinson

[08:14] arriving on the UVU campus in a Grey

[08:16] Dodge Challenger at approximately 8:29

[08:18] on September 10th in which he is

[08:20] observed on video in a plain maroon

[08:23] t-shirt, light colored shorts, a black

[08:24] hat with a white logo, and light colored

[08:27] shoes. When encountered in person by

[08:29] investigators in Washington County on

[08:31] September 12th, uh in the early morning

[08:33] hours, Robinson was observed in

[08:35] consistent clothing with the

[08:36] surveillance images. So, this is also

[08:38] what I reported that um what he was

[08:41] wearing in the surveillance images

[08:43] matched up with what he was wearing when

[08:44] they got to the house parents or where

[08:46] he was in um Washington, Utah.

[08:49] Investigators interviewed a family

[08:50] member of Robinson who stated that

[08:52] Robinson had become more political in

[08:53] recent years. The family member

[08:55] referenced a recent incident in which

[08:56] Robinson uh came to dinner prior to

[08:58] September 10th and in conversation with

[09:00] another family member. Family member,

[09:03] Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was

[09:04] coming to UVU. They talked about why

[09:07] they didn't like him and the viewpoints

[09:09] he had. The family member also stated

[09:11] Kirk was full of hate and spreading

[09:13] hate. The family member also confirmed

[09:16] uh Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.

[09:19] Investigators identified an individual

[09:20] as the roommate of Robinson.

[09:22] Investigators interviewed the roommate

[09:24] who stated his roommate uh made a joke

[09:27] on Discord. Investigators asked if he

[09:29] would show them the messages on Discord.

[09:31] He opened it, showed several messages to

[09:33] investigators, and allowed investigators

[09:35] to take photos of the screen. As each

[09:37] message was shown by Robinson's

[09:38] roommate, these photos consisted of

[09:40] various messages, including content of

[09:42] messages between the phone contact named

[09:44] Tyler with an emoji icon and Robinson's

[09:47] uh roommate's device.

[09:50] Tyler stated a need to retrieve a rifle

[09:52] from a drop point, leaving the rifle in

[09:54] a bush, messages related to visually

[09:56] watching the area where a rifle was

[09:58] left, and a message referring to having

[10:00] left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The

[10:03] messages also refer to engraving bullets

[10:05] and a mention of a scope and the rifle

[10:07] being unique. Messages from con uh the

[10:10] contact Tyler also mention that he had

[10:12] changed outfits. Then it says, "Based on

[10:14] the detailed evidence in the statement,

[10:16] I believe there's probable cause that

[10:17] Tyler Robinson committed the crimes."

[10:19] Uh, and and that's pretty much it.

[10:21] That's the probable cause affidavit. But

[10:23] I wanted to read it to you guys word for

[10:25] word because this is exactly what they

[10:27] are basing the charges on. This is

[10:28] exactly what authorities have uh used to

[10:32] arrest Tyler Robinson in the death of

[10:34] Charlie Kirk. You heard them mention uh

[10:37] write about what the different

[10:38] inscriptions were on the bullet casings.

[10:41] We've done some research. I want to read

[10:42] this to you. Um, so the notice is bulges

[10:46] ow. What's this? It appears to be a

[10:49] reference to comments used for trolling.

[10:51] Has roots in an online roleplay

[10:52] community, video game streaming, uh,

[10:55] part of an internet meme back in 2018.

[10:58] Ties to animated videos and furries. Um,

[11:02] the, uh, hey fascist catch. Um, that's

[11:06] obviously we all know what that means.

[11:07] up arrow, right arrow, and three down

[11:09] arrow symbols appears to be a reference

[11:11] to a sequence of controller moves that

[11:13] unleashes bombs on the popular video

[11:15] game Hell Divers 2. Uh, O Belchow, O

[11:18] Belchow, Bellachow, Bellachia, Chow Chow

[11:21] appears to be referenced to an Italian

[11:23] anti-fascist song uh during World War

[11:25] II. The song dedicated to resistance

[11:27] fighters against the Nazi troops

[11:29] occupying the country during World War

[11:30] II described as an anti-fascist rallying

[11:33] cry. And then if you read this, you are

[11:35] gay laughing my ass off. Um perhaps the

[11:39] shooter's message to Kirk based on

[11:41] previous comments by him on the

[11:43] community. We don't know exactly what

[11:44] the um if you I mean obviously that just

[11:47] we know what that means. If you read

[11:49] this, you are gay. We don't know what he

[11:50] meant, why he posted that in particular.

[11:53] Um but that's the latest that's the

[11:55] official government document. So I know

[11:57] there's a lot of stuff going around on

[11:58] social media. This is exactly word for

[12:00] word why they are charging Tyler

[12:03] Robinson with the assassination of

[12:07] Charlie Kirk. I'm joined now by former

[12:09] FBI agent uh Bobby Shicone. Uh Bobby,

[12:12] thank you for being with me. I'm outside

[12:13] the jail right now um where Tyler

[12:15] Robinson is being held here in Utah. Uh

[12:19] what do you make of the fact the way

[12:21] this went down? I mean, the arrest was

[12:22] 10:00 last night. What do you know about

[12:24] how this happened? Apparently, it was

[12:27] his dad and then a family friend who

[12:28] sort of coordinated and and and alerted

[12:31] authorities.

[12:32] >> Yeah, I had heard about last night. I

[12:34] had heard that a close family member was

[12:37] cooperating with um the authorities and

[12:40] so I knew a arrest was probably imminent

[12:43] uh when I went to bed last night. Um and

[12:45] it and it appears to be just that. I

[12:46] knew also and I think I said this

[12:48] yesterday that you know given those

[12:50] photographs that they released,

[12:51] someone's going to recognize this guy.

[12:53] Those were very good photographs. You

[12:55] could see his build, his gate, you know,

[12:57] his his general facial features and

[12:59] anybody that knew that guy was going to

[13:01] see that photo and go, "Oh, that's soand

[13:03] so," you know, and so I knew that he'd

[13:05] be identified fairly quickly. Then it

[13:07] was a matter of finding him, you know,

[13:09] did he go on the run? Did he go back to

[13:10] family members? Apparently, in this

[13:12] situation, it looks like he went right

[13:14] back home and he was where he was always

[13:16] going to be. And so, um, I I I've heard

[13:20] that, you know, he might have been

[13:21] thinking about harming himself. His

[13:23] father may have talked him out of that.

[13:24] Um, and and so, um, yeah, it's it's a

[13:28] bit of a a different type of situation

[13:30] where the person didn't take their life

[13:31] at the scene and they didn't go on the

[13:34] run. Uh, and so I guess he was sitting

[13:36] there waiting to be found because I I I

[13:39] couldn't possibly fathom that he thought

[13:41] he was going to go assume his his prior

[13:44] life and no one was going to know he did

[13:46] this.

[13:47] >> What about one thing that I zeroed in on

[13:49] with the press conference is um the

[13:51] roommate. Apparently, he had been

[13:53] messaging a roommate uh asking that

[13:56] person to go and retrieve the gun from

[13:59] the wooded area. and they found these

[14:01] messages when they went through

[14:03] Robinson, the suspect's phone. Um, could

[14:06] the roommate be in trouble? I mean, what

[14:08] do what do you make of that?

[14:10] >> Well, first, I wish they would have had

[14:12] a prosecutor on stage at the at the

[14:13] press conference, which is what they

[14:15] normally do to kind of walk us through

[14:17] what's the what are the first charges

[14:18] going to be and then what later charges

[14:21] might be added. Um, but they chose not

[14:23] to have a prosecutor on stage at the

[14:25] press conference. But I was struck by

[14:27] the same thing. I can only theorize that

[14:31] they saw those text messages, they went

[14:33] to the roommate and said, you know, were

[14:36] you in cahoots with this guy? Were you

[14:37] conspiring? You know, and because

[14:40] originally when I saw or heard about the

[14:42] text, it seemed like they had a plan

[14:43] like he was going to ditch the gun in a

[14:45] certain place and the roommate was going

[14:46] to go retrieve it. I can only think

[14:48] since the roommate has not been charged

[14:50] yet at least that the roommate hadn't

[14:53] either said, "Hey, he just texted me

[14:55] after I didn't know what he was going to

[14:56] do. I didn't know he was going to even

[14:58] have this attack, plan this attack. I

[15:00] didn't know he was going to drop the

[15:01] weapon. But soon as he texted that to

[15:03] me, I said, "Hey, I'm not getting

[15:04] involved." Whatever whatever that

[15:06] exchange took place, it seemed like that

[15:09] satisfied the authorities or else I

[15:12] would I could see him being brought in

[15:14] for being at least a necessary after the

[15:16] fact.

[15:17] >> The governor said at this point they

[15:19] don't believe anyone else is is

[15:20] involved. Um, do I mean, do you think

[15:22] that's the case? Do you think they may

[15:24] investigate and realize he was working

[15:27] with someone else?

[15:29] >> I mean, they'll certainly investigate

[15:30] that and and I think that um at this

[15:33] point um they'll investigate the weapon.

[15:37] Um how he got to use the weapon. Was he

[15:40] a hunter? Was his family hunters? Did

[15:41] someone teach him to use that weapon? Um

[15:44] how proficient he was with that weapon?

[15:46] And they'll they'll first look at that

[15:48] and and see, okay, how did he get this?

[15:50] Because this was a deadly shot. Now, it

[15:52] wasn't it wasn't an impossible shot, but

[15:54] it was a one-shot kill. Um, and so I

[15:57] think that um they'll probably be

[15:59] investigating that the weapon, his

[16:01] proficiency with it, how who taught him

[16:02] to shoot. And then they'll look at

[16:04] Discord and they'll look at his other

[16:06] online communications to see I think in

[16:08] this case they probably will only find

[16:10] people that maybe commiserated with him,

[16:12] maybe cheered him on to do this if if

[16:16] that occurred. But I don't know that

[16:18] they're going to find somebody that

[16:19] actually provided assistance to him

[16:21] because it doesn't seem like he had much

[16:24] assistance

[16:26] uh with either the pre-planning or the

[16:28] post planning the pre-planning

[16:29] particularly because that that's very

[16:30] interesting that you know if he would if

[16:33] he had been on that campus previously um

[16:35] and and if he had been on that roof

[16:37] previously and things like that

[16:39] >> there must have been though some level

[16:41] of planning right I mean just me even

[16:43] when I was out there to know where to

[16:45] get up on the roof to know where the

[16:47] event was going to be to know where you

[16:48] could get a clear clear shot to be able

[16:51] to get away. You'd have to imagine he,

[16:54] you know, there was some thought put

[16:56] into this. Oh, yeah. There was

[16:58] definitely pre-event planning. And I I

[17:01] read a profile recently uh just

[17:03] yesterday about my from my good friend

[17:04] Jim Clemente, FBI profiler, and he said

[17:07] that most likely this guy did a lot of

[17:09] pre-planning but very little post attack

[17:11] planning other than getting away from

[17:13] the scene. And in fact, he it was it

[17:15] became true just what Jim said. Um in

[17:18] fact, this guy had rage. The rage drove

[17:21] his his anger to carry out this violent

[17:23] attack. But that rage doesn't um because

[17:26] you're not a master criminal, that rage

[17:28] doesn't carry on to okay, I'm now going

[17:30] to plan this attack. I'm going to flee

[17:32] the country. I'm going to live somewhere

[17:34] in in anonymity. Um it just kind of

[17:36] carries you through the event. through

[17:38] the event that's going to you think is

[17:40] going to release all this tension and

[17:43] this anger that you have and and it

[17:45] never does of course but um I think the

[17:47] m the way their minds work according to

[17:49] people like Jim and profilers that

[17:51] they're they're all geared up and they

[17:53] plan to carry out the attack but then

[17:55] they kind of come down from that high

[17:56] and they don't really do a whole lot of

[17:58] post-event planning and and that seems

[18:00] to be the case here. He did plan he he

[18:03] he knew exactly where to go. He went up

[18:05] the stairwells, you know, he so that he

[18:07] kept he kept himself out of the major

[18:09] part of the crowd. Um he he placed a he

[18:12] picked a place where he wouldn't be seen

[18:13] by a whole lot of people. He had to have

[18:15] been there before. Um because there's no

[18:18] way you would know that unless you're

[18:20] there and put your eyes on that scene.

[18:22] So he did have that probably that walk

[18:24] through that pre-planning how to get to

[18:26] the stairwell, how to get on that roof,

[18:28] how to get off the roof. You just don't

[18:29] walk over to the side of a building and

[18:32] decide to jump off of it. you have to

[18:34] know that there's there's a certain

[18:36] amount of space that you're not going to

[18:37] break your leg, you know, that there's a

[18:39] soft landing spot or whatever. So, he

[18:41] had to do all of that pre-event

[18:42] planning. The fact that he brought a

[18:44] towel with him, the fact that he brought

[18:45] a a change of clothes, it sounds like,

[18:47] with him. Um, yeah, there was a good

[18:49] amount of pre pre-attack planning on the

[18:52] uh not as much post attack planning, but

[18:54] certainly pre-attack planning.

[18:56] >> In terms of the the bullet casings, I'm

[18:58] just going to read this. They um they

[19:00] had several things in inscriptions

[19:02] engraved in them. Uh one was um

[19:06] notices bulges ow. What's this? Uh if

[19:10] you read this, you are gay. L M AO,

[19:12] which is laughing my ass off. Hey

[19:14] fascist, catch with an arrow symbol. Uh

[19:18] there was so an up arrow symbol, a right

[19:20] arrow symbol, and three down arrow

[19:23] symbols. And then there was another

[19:25] inscription that read um oh Bella Chow,

[19:28] Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow Chow. Does

[19:31] any of this stuff stand I mean obviously

[19:33] the fascist thing we know what that

[19:34] means, but does any of the other stuff

[19:36] stand out to you?

[19:38] >> Well, I think the Bella Chow thing and

[19:40] I've come to learn this was a kind kind

[19:42] of a a communist monitor in World War II

[19:44] who were fighting the fascists, right?

[19:46] And so that that seems to be where that

[19:48] came from. So, it does seem like he was

[19:50] wrapped up in this kind of fascist uh

[19:53] ideology that we have to fight the

[19:55] fascist, that these people are literally

[19:57] Hitler and they're going to do these

[19:59] horrible things to us. Um, and so he got

[20:01] himself into that mental space where,

[20:04] you know, these kinds of people um were

[20:07] a direct threat, you know, to him. And

[20:09] you know, obviously that's a sick and

[20:12] twisted view which wasn't true, wasn't

[20:15] based in reality, but that seems to be,

[20:17] you know, where he was at.

[20:19] >> Do you know anything about those arrows?

[20:21] Have you heard anything on that?

[20:22] >> I don't.

[20:23] >> Yeah, I don't.

[20:23] >> I don't. I I'm sure our people are

[20:26] really pouring over the interpretation

[20:27] of those things. Um, and we may hear

[20:30] more about that when we see a charging

[20:32] document. You know, there'll be an

[20:33] affidavit um when he's originally

[20:36] charged with the either information or

[20:37] complaint. And um there'll be an

[20:39] affidavit in there. Whether or not they

[20:40] get into the minutiae of the meaning of

[20:43] those um uh etchings, I don't know. They

[20:47] usually don't. They usually use the bare

[20:48] minimum to keep him in custody. And

[20:50] that's probable cause. So um I think

[20:52] that um we'll wait to see what the

[20:55] interpretation is that. I'm sure we'll

[20:56] see people theorizing on that, but I

[20:58] don't I don't have any particular

[21:00] insight into those etchings. The

[21:03] governor said that um he the suspect his

[21:07] family said he had become more political

[21:09] recently and then spoke to them about a

[21:12] dislike for Charlie Kirk. I guess one

[21:15] thing that I'm hung up on Bobby that

[21:17] disturbs me more than anything is how

[21:19] someone and I've just seen pictures of

[21:22] his family and I don't know much about

[21:23] them yet but you know they they look

[21:25] like nice people. I mean just based on

[21:26] the pictures that I've seen you know

[21:28] they live in rural Utah. A lot of the

[21:30] people here in Utah are really nice. Um,

[21:33] I guess I'm troubled by how someone goes

[21:35] from,

[21:36] you know, maybe a normal kid to, you

[21:39] know, not liking or getting into

[21:42] politics, not liking Charlie Kirk to

[21:43] where you would want to kill someone um

[21:46] just because you disagree with them.

[21:48] Will the FBI look into all of that? I

[21:50] mean, it seems like bigger picture. We

[21:52] need to understand how that happens.

[21:56] >> Yeah. Well, there's kind of two teams.

[21:57] There's a team of FBI agents that are

[21:59] working on this case, so to speak. um

[22:01] and what they need to prosecute this

[22:02] case and make sure they get a

[22:04] conviction. And that's a very careful

[22:05] process. Um beyond that, you'll have the

[22:08] behavioral analysis unit where the

[22:10] profilers are housed at Quantico doing a

[22:12] deeper dive into the mentality just to

[22:15] see if there's anything they can advise.

[22:17] So they put out these advisories to

[22:19] school districts, to community leaders

[22:21] and things like that and say, "Hey,

[22:23] look, this is this is what we found and

[22:25] this is how you might want to counter

[22:27] it." Now, I mean, we've talked about it

[22:29] before. This is the rhetoric that's been

[22:31] ratcheted up. I mean, and even after

[22:33] this, you know, attack, we've seen

[22:35] politicians, you know, like JD Pritzkar

[22:37] and people like that that are seem to be

[22:39] instead of lowering the rhetoric, you

[22:41] know, actually adding to it. And so,

[22:43] it's a it's really about ratcheting down

[22:45] the rhetoric because what these people

[22:46] do, what this kid probably did was he

[22:49] probably consumed a lot of stuff online

[22:51] and there's just such hateful rhetoric.

[22:53] When you see the word fascist, um,

[22:55] that's a very extreme word to use to

[22:57] describe somebody. Um, and and it's

[22:59] really kind of hypocritical of this

[23:01] shooter to say, you know, I'm gonna kill

[23:03] this guy because he's filled with hate

[23:05] when murdering someone in cold blood is

[23:07] the epitome of hate, a father and a

[23:10] husband. Um, and so it's the ultimate

[23:12] hypocrisy to say, "I'm going to murder

[23:14] this guy because he's so filled with

[23:16] hate." Well, what are you filled with

[23:17] when you can put a bullet in someone

[23:19] who's not doing anything violent to

[23:21] anybody else or hurting anyone? It's

[23:23] just his words. And and that's why I

[23:25] consider this, you know, because our

[23:26] free speech is at the at the create the

[23:29] foundation of our democracy. I consider

[23:30] this a threat to our democracy. When you

[23:32] start killing people because you agree

[23:34] with their you disagree with their

[23:35] positions, I mean, that's a direct

[23:37] threat on our democracy. Charlie Kirk

[23:39] was simply going back to the the old

[23:41] days where we used to have two people in

[23:42] a town square stand up on literal soap

[23:44] boxes and debate the issues of the day.

[23:46] That's what we do. That's democracy. And

[23:48] and if you watch Charlie's videos, you

[23:50] see him let people talk and he and he's

[23:53] pondering that what they're saying and

[23:54] he's he's kind of putting his response

[23:57] together in his mind. You can see his

[23:59] thought process, but he's letting the

[24:00] person talk, then he responds, then he

[24:03] lets the person respond to their

[24:04] response. He was very respectful in that

[24:06] way and giving people these platforms

[24:08] that they normally don't have. He was

[24:10] the only one out there doing it. And

[24:12] believe me, he could have taken a

[24:13] highpriced highpaying contributor job on

[24:16] some network where he's hidden behind a

[24:18] camera, but he was out there among

[24:20] people and he was doing kind of

[24:22] democracy's business. He was letting

[24:24] people talk. He was giving them those

[24:26] microphones that they wouldn't have had

[24:28] a platform to talk elsewhere. And and so

[24:30] to take this guy out, you know, to me,

[24:33] you know, our democracy is a lot weaker

[24:35] today than it was before he was killed.

[24:39] >> Yeah. It just seems like uh and I've

[24:41] covered so many of the shootings, but

[24:43] lately it just something feels

[24:45] different. This one obviously just makes

[24:47] you feel terrible and concerned about

[24:49] our country, but even a couple weeks ago

[24:51] I was in Minneapolis with the kids

[24:53] killed in the Catholic church. That one

[24:55] just felt heavier and different. Um I

[24:58] was also in Minnesota when the two

[25:00] Democratic lawmakers were killed, um

[25:02] assassinated basically. Um and uh I mean

[25:06] the list goes on and on. Um, does it

[25:10] feel

[25:11] different to you right now? I mean,

[25:13] we've had school shootings forever and

[25:14] we've had awful things for like the last

[25:16] couple of decades, but I don't know.

[25:17] Something about this moment to me, I

[25:19] mean, could this be like a 9/11 wakeup

[25:22] call kind of thing, do you think?

[25:24] >> I don't think so. And the reason I say

[25:26] that is because of all the people that

[25:29] I've seen celebrating Charlie Kirk's

[25:30] death online. I mean, horrific people

[25:33] and and not just like teenagers. I mean,

[25:36] I saw an anesthesiologist in Miami uh

[25:38] say things. I saw a school teacher in

[25:40] Virginia and these people are

[25:41] celebrating. Good for him. He got what

[25:44] he deserved. I mean, this is this is

[25:45] proliferating. And and that's what

[25:47] scares me. That's why I think this is

[25:49] different. The number of people who

[25:50] almost immediately came out celebrating

[25:53] this man's death, this man's horrific

[25:55] murder in in broad daylight in front of

[25:57] millions of people. The amount of people

[25:59] that are not afraid to put their face on

[26:03] social media to a video where they're

[26:05] celebrating this horrific murder, that's

[26:08] different to me. That's the level up. I

[26:10] think that's a level we haven't seen

[26:12] before. Um, yeah, we all came together

[26:15] on 911. Uh, and I was there and I felt

[26:19] that. Um, but that was a different type

[26:21] of attack. Someone attacked us as a

[26:23] whole, as a nation. Here, our nation is

[26:26] divided. We're attacking ourselves from

[26:28] in from within. And I think that what

[26:30] really scares me is the level of people

[26:33] and the amount and the level of people

[26:34] who kind of are celebrating this. And

[26:37] like I said, doctors and school teachers

[26:39] and things like that. These aren't these

[26:40] aren't political, you know, junkies.

[26:43] These are people out there holding

[26:44] responsible positions in society and and

[26:46] they're celebrating these this death.

[26:48] >> Yeah. And I I guess I'm not comparing

[26:51] Charlie Kirk's assassination

[26:53] specifically to 911. I just meant like

[26:55] sort of the bigger picture of there's

[26:57] just been a lot of awful ones lately in

[27:00] >> Oh, absolutely. Even like Minneapolis

[27:02] >> of them all, you know.

[27:03] >> Yeah. And I think Yeah. And I and I want

[27:05] them to look not that the etchings were

[27:07] ideologically uh similar, but the fact

[27:10] that he etched into his his bullets, did

[27:13] he take kind of a a call from that

[27:15] Minneapolis shooter? um not

[27:17] ideologically, but just from a

[27:19] methodology standpoint, you know, did he

[27:22] you know, but we usually see that when

[27:24] the person thinks they're going to be

[27:25] killed in a shootout or plans on taking

[27:27] their own life during the attack um and

[27:29] they want their message out there,

[27:31] right? And that may be what he did

[27:33] because he left the rifle behind with

[27:35] that ammunition with the etchings on

[27:37] that. So, that was the message he wanted

[27:39] to get. if he was never caught, we were

[27:41] going to have his last message uh or the

[27:44] shooter's message etched on those on

[27:46] that those bullets. And so I think that

[27:49] he didn't if he didn't plan on getting

[27:50] caught, he wanted to leave that as his

[27:52] message.

[27:54] >> What do you think about the death

[27:55] penalty in this case? I mean, the

[27:56] governor made very clear even before

[27:58] they announced the arrest that he was

[28:00] going to that they were going to seek

[28:01] the death penalty. Uh they actually have

[28:03] firing squad in Utah. It's one of the

[28:05] states where they do firing squad. Do

[28:07] and you're just talking about the bigger

[28:09] picture of what's wrong with our country

[28:11] and the more and more people doing these

[28:14] kinds of things. Do you think that even

[28:15] has an impact?

[28:18] >> I I do. But I think it have it could

[28:21] have an impact in both directions. You

[28:23] know, you know, the people that are

[28:25] sympathetic to his cause, if if down the

[28:28] road he gets, you know, executed by a

[28:30] firing squad, that could light a fire

[28:31] under them even more, you know. Um I'm I

[28:34] I I I agree with the death penalty in

[28:36] some cases. Um not most cases, but some

[28:39] cases. Um I don't know about this case

[28:41] yet. I don't know enough about the case

[28:42] to offer that opinion. But um you know,

[28:46] yes, it would give a certain amount of

[28:47] satisfaction to okay, this person did

[28:49] this deed, they need to be punished for

[28:52] it, and that's the punishment that the

[28:54] people of Utah have decided. Um but then

[28:56] again, I could also see, you know, it

[28:59] also kind of making him more of a

[29:02] martyr. um to the cause and that worries

[29:05] me as well.

[29:06] >> Yeah, I wondered about that with Luigi

[29:07] Manion because you know the feds are

[29:09] seeking the death penalty with him in

[29:10] New York and he's already this like hero

[29:13] to a lot of people and I wonder if it

[29:15] almost backfires.

[29:18] >> Yeah, that's that's my wonder and that's

[29:20] exactly the point I was trying to

[29:22] articulate. Yes, I think that yeah, it

[29:24] can sometimes, you know, put these

[29:26] people in the martyr position, which is

[29:28] not what you want because that's going

[29:30] to draw more people to the cause and

[29:31] it's going to draw more people to, you

[29:34] know, violent activity.

[29:35] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate your

[29:37] time, Bobby. Thank you very much.

[29:39] >> Sure.