Charlie Kirk debates whether chromosomes define gender

[00:00] so i might have missed this because i

[00:01] just got here yeah um so first i want to

[00:03] ask you know um

[00:05] what

[00:06] i'm back to the gender issue the one

[00:08] that's on your right um

[00:09] is there is there some of evidence that

[00:11] could change your mind on this that

[00:12] could compel you to go okay i will

[00:14] always read and so like the funny thing

[00:16] is i sat down with caitlyn jenner for

[00:19] two and a half hours three days ago and

[00:21] i learned stuff about the transgender

[00:23] debate that i honestly i obviously if i

[00:25] learned it i didn't know it but it

[00:27] opened my eyes on a lot of different

[00:28] aspects of it most importantly

[00:31] the surgery that it takes to get gender

[00:33] reassignment surgery it's not going to

[00:34] be joked about sure and

[00:37] caitlyn jenner says that it's something

[00:39] that a 15 year old should never go

[00:40] through that's what she said so i and

[00:42] you will notice i'm calling hershey now

[00:44] why would i call her she because she

[00:46] respectfully asked me no one forced me

[00:48] to call caitlyn jenner anything but we

[00:50] had we had a mutual connection so as

[00:52] soon as we start to have laws which

[00:54] exist in california where you force

[00:56] people to call something some somebody

[00:58] something by under penalization of law

[01:00] that's a problem so sorry dude okay but

[01:03] i understand i'm happy to learn i'll

[01:05] listen so is there just to your

[01:07] knowledge though is there some level of

[01:08] evidence like that you can say right now

[01:09] that could make you change your mind it

[01:11] could make you go oh i guess there are

[01:13] more than two genders if you're born

[01:15] from eleanor i don't know zero or i

[01:16] think if there's compelling evidence

[01:18] that there's anything beyond

[01:19] excluding intersex chromosomal structure

[01:22] of x x y or if there's compelling

[01:23] evidence that there's no difference

[01:24] between males and females

[01:26] which i would love to read but i don't

[01:28] see that uh one question you said

[01:29] something earlier before which was uh

[01:31] tying chromosomes in general right xy

[01:34] male 1

[01:35] is that what you believe is that correct

[01:37] excluding intersex yes i mean there are

[01:38] intersex people but you don't have a

[01:40] rule for the exception of the exception

[01:41] which is to the rule but yes okay

[01:43] correct that's not that's what i believe

[01:44] is what biology

[01:46] accepts okay because i i remember

[01:47] hearing not too long ago that a while

[01:50] back i think before this became a

[01:53] bigger topic was that their you know

[01:55] scientists are moving away from that

[01:56] saying that like there are a lot of

[01:57] scientists who study people who

[01:59] typical male characteristics genitalia

[02:01] you know picture or whatever and vice

[02:02] versa you know males who look like males

[02:05] feel like et cetera et cetera and got

[02:06] the chromosomes testing i was like oh

[02:07] crap i've got two x chromosome that's

[02:09] weird

[02:10] you know well whatever but it's like

[02:11] it's not a social thing to them like

[02:13] they they feel like they're they're men

[02:14] they think i mean i could go into a

[02:21] anything about the way i'm testosterone

[02:21] my life whatever and i feel like i heard

[02:23] that that was something they noticed and

[02:25] now they went oh gosh i guess gender is

[02:26] not strictly speaking tidy chromosomes

[02:28] anymore like that right so

[02:30] here's a broader question like why am i

[02:31] doing this there's three big questions

[02:33] that need to be answered as a society

[02:34] that can be

[02:36] connected to this number one is the sex

[02:38] reassignment surgery for 15 year olds

[02:40] out parental consent that's that's stems

[02:42] from the transgender argument i think

[02:43] that's wrong that a 15 year old can get

[02:46] sexual reassignment surgery without

[02:47] telling their parent parents and

[02:48] taxpayers have to pay for it i think

[02:50] that's wrong number two specifically in

[02:52] the public education system someone

[02:54] that's four or five or six years old i

[02:56] think there's a certain way to raise

[02:57] boys in a certain way to raise girls you

[02:59] might people totally disagree with that

[03:01] but young boys act totally different

[03:02] than young girls they just do and so you

[03:04] add the third box you don't recognize

[03:06] those differences i think you do a

[03:08] disservice to a child trying to find

[03:09] their place in a chaotic

so i might have missed this because i just got here yeah um so first i want to ask you know um what i'm back to the gender issue the one that's on your right um is there is there some of evidence that could change your mind on this that could compel you to go okay i will always read and so like the funny thing is i sat down with caitlyn jenner for two and a half hours three days ago and i learned stuff about the transgender debate that i honestly i obviously if i learned it i didn't know it but it opened my eyes on a lot of different aspects of it most importantly the surgery that it takes to get gender reassignment surgery it's not going to be joked about sure and caitlyn jenner says that it's something that a 15 year old should never go through that's what she said so i and you will notice i'm calling hershey now why would i call her she because she respectfully asked me no one forced me to call caitlyn jenner anything but we had we had a mutual connection so as soon as we start to have laws which exist in california where you force people to call something some somebody something by under penalization of law that's a problem so sorry dude okay but i understand i'm happy to learn i'll listen so is there just to your knowledge though is there some level of evidence like that you can say right now that could make you change your mind it could make you go oh i guess there are more than two genders if you're born from eleanor i don't know zero or i think if there's compelling evidence that there's anything beyond excluding intersex chromosomal structure of x x y or if there's compelling evidence that there's no difference between males and females which i would love to read but i don't see that uh one question you said something earlier before which was uh tying chromosomes in general right xy male 1 is that what you believe is that correct excluding intersex yes i mean there are intersex people but you don't have a rule for the exception of the exception which is to the rule but yes okay correct that's not that's what i believe is what biology accepts okay because i i remember hearing not too long ago that a while back i think before this became a bigger topic was that their you know scientists are moving away from that saying that like there are a lot of scientists who study people who typical male characteristics genitalia you know picture or whatever and vice versa you know males who look like males feel like et cetera et cetera and got the chromosomes testing i was like oh crap i've got two x chromosome that's weird you know well whatever but it's like it's not a social thing to them like they they feel like they're they're men they think i mean i could go into a anything about the way i'm testosterone my life whatever and i feel like i heard that that was something they noticed and now they went oh gosh i guess gender is not strictly speaking tidy chromosomes anymore like that right so here's a broader question like why am i doing this there's three big questions that need to be answered as a society that can be connected to this number one is the sex reassignment surgery for 15 year olds out parental consent that's that's stems from the transgender argument i think that's wrong that a 15 year old can get sexual reassignment surgery without telling their parent parents and taxpayers have to pay for it i think that's wrong number two specifically in the public education system someone that's four or five or six years old i think there's a certain way to raise boys in a certain way to raise girls you might people totally disagree with that but young boys act totally different than young girls they just do and so you add the third box you don't recognize those differences i think you do a disservice to a child trying to find their place in a chaotic