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Kent's Final Encounter with Charlie Kirk
Joe Kent, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, recounted his last meeting with Charlie Kirk in June at the West Wing. As Kent walked through the tight stairway, Kirk looked him in the eye and loudly proclaimed, "Joe stopped us from getting into a war with Iran." Kent noted that Kirk was single-minded in this conviction and walked off toward the Oval Office immediately after making the statement.
Kent emphasized the significance of this encounter, describing Kirk as one of President Trump's closest advisers who was vocally advocating against war with Iran and for rethinking the U.S. relationship with Israel. When someone in that position is suddenly assassinated, Kent argued, and the public is discouraged from asking questions, it becomes a data point worth investigating.
Investigation Stopped Despite Unanswered Questions
When asked what he meant by saying "we're not allowed to ask any questions," Kent explained that authorities quickly identified the shooter, Robinson, as a lone gunman. However, the investigation that Kent and the National Counterterrorism Center were conducting was stopped before completion. The FBI claimed they halted the investigation to turn everything over to Utah state authorities because the case was going to trial and was very sensitive.
Kent stressed that there was still linkage to investigate and leads to run down that he couldn't fully discuss. He clarified he wasn't making conclusions or claiming cause and effect, but simply stating there were unanswered questions. These questions became more pressing given the text messages that had been made public showing Kirk was under significant pressure from pro-Israel donors. Kent noted that Kirk had been advocating to President Trump against war with Iran, and everyone knew that after the 12-day war and midnight hammer operations ended, the Israelis would ask the U.S. to go back to war.
Kent connected multiple data points: the Butler incident, assassination attempts against President Trump, breaches of his security, and what happened to Charlie Kirk. He stated that Kash Patel was the person who stopped the investigation from continuing.
Turning Point USA's Response
Kent's revelation on Tucker Carlson's program began trending immediately. Rather than expressing shock or demanding answers from Kash Patel about why the investigation was stopped, Turning Point USA and Kirk's wife Erika Kirk responded with anger directed at Kent himself. Critics noted that the natural response would have been to demand the investigation continue and to seek explanations for why it was halted, especially given the potential for foreign involvement.
The Israel-first crowd immediately began demanding Kent spend time in prison for allegedly leaking classified documents. Alex Clark, known for controversial photos at Kirk's vigil site, wrote on X that Kent "is clearly no friend to Charlie as he has actively participated and or egged on behind the scenes in the degradation of his wife." However, no evidence was provided to support these claims. In fact, Kent has never publicly spoken negatively about Erika Kirk, unlike other commentators who have addressed the situation.
Attacks on Kent's Credibility
Jack Posobiec, who works with Turning Point USA and has military background, came under fire simply for listing Kent's qualifications and service record. Posobiec wrote that Kent has "six Bronze Star medals with five oak leaf clusters across 11 combat deployments as a Green Beret in some of the biggest battles of the GWOT." Even this factual statement drew outrage from critics who insisted nothing positive should be said about Kent.
Laura Loomer responded to Posobiec asking, "Why are you defending a known leaker who is undermining President Trump? There is now speculation that Joe Kent may have been leaking information to Candace Owens for the purpose of attacking Mrs. Erika Kirk." Owens has denied receiving any leaked information from Kent for the purpose of attacking Erika Kirk.
Observers noted that the accusation itself carries an interesting implication: if Kent leaked information about the investigation, how would that harm Erika Kirk unless she had been dishonest with the public? The criticism frames Kent not as a liar but as a leaker, suggesting the information he shared was true but damaging because it exposed inconsistencies in official accounts.
Andrew Kolvet Addresses the Controversy
Andrew Kolvet addressed Kent's claims directly on Charlie Kirk's radio show, focusing on allegations that Kent leaked text messages from a private group chat. Kolvet confirmed that in the immediate aftermath of Kirk's death, he provided the group chat screenshots to Joe Kent. He explained this was done in the spirit of investigating every lead and turning over every stone, ensuring that everyone who needed information had access to what they knew.
The text messages in question were from a private group chat that later became public and were used by some to suggest Israeli or Jewish involvement in Kirk's murder—a theory Turning Point USA and Kolvet explicitly reject. Kolvet stated he was told he could trust Kent and provided him with the screen grabs, though he didn't know what happened to them afterward. Kent later suggested Kolvet make the screenshots public, but Kolvet declined because they were shared privately and could harm innocent people in the group chat.
Kolvet noted that a week or two after he declined, the messages were made public anyway. While he couldn't categorically state that Kent leaked them, he laid out the facts: Kent suggested they be made public, Kolvet declined, and then they appeared publicly. Kolvet acknowledged the messages might have been passed around and leaked by someone else, possibly someone on Kent's team.
The Text Chain and What It Revealed
The controversy surrounding the text chain centers on what it revealed about Kirk's final hours and Turning Point USA's handling of information. According to reports, Turning Point chose to remain silent about Kirk's changing views on Israel and allowed Zionists who had been harassing him, such as Josh Hammer, to lie about what Kirk was experiencing in his final days.
The text chain provided concrete proof that forced Turning Point to confess that a communication took place less than 24 hours before Kirk was shot and killed. More significantly, this communication occurred shortly before Kirk began texting his security and Andrew Kolvet that he thought "they were going to kill him"—something Erika Kirk initially denied to the public.
The release of this information made both Turning Point USA and Erika Kirk, who serves as the organization's new CEO and chairman, look dishonest about their knowledge of Kirk's state of mind and concerns before his death. Rather than addressing these inconsistencies, the organization directed its anger at those who exposed them.
Pattern of Response
Critics argue that Turning Point USA's response follows a pattern where they fail to act surprised or concerned when damaging information emerges. Instead of demanding answers about why the investigation was stopped or whether there was foreign involvement, they attack the credibility of those bringing forward information. The organization appears more focused on protecting its reputation and that of its leadership than on pursuing truth about Kirk's death.
This approach extends to how they handled Kirk's evolving views on Israel. Bret Weinstein has since released messages about Iran, confirming what Joe Kent described. Multiple sources have verified that Kirk was reconsidering U.S. foreign policy positions, yet Turning Point allowed false narratives to persist rather than confirming what they knew to be true.
The situation has created a divide between those demanding full investigation and transparency about Kirk's death and final days, and those prioritizing organizational interests. Kent's willingness to speak publicly about being stopped from investigating has brought attention to questions that remain unanswered about potential foreign connections and the pressure Kirk faced before his assassination.
Video Transcript
[00:00] And last time I saw Charlie Kirk on this
[00:01] earth was in in June
[00:05] in in the in the West Wing in the
[00:07] stairway and I said hi to him and he
[00:09] looked me in the eye and he said very
[00:11] loudly and it's a small you've been in
[00:12] the West Wing it's it's small
[00:14] it's a tight space and and he said Joe
[00:16] stopped us from getting into a war with
[00:18] Iran.
[00:19] Very loudly.
[00:19] >> He was single-minded.
[00:20] >> walked off and he went I believe into
[00:22] the Oval.
[00:23] So when one of President Trump's closest
[00:26] advisers who is vocally advocating
[00:29] for us to not go to war with Iran and
[00:32] for us to rethink at least our
[00:33] relationship with the Israelis.
[00:36] And then he suddenly publicly
[00:38] assassinated and we're not allowed to
[00:40] ask any questions about that.
[00:43] It's data point. It's a data point that
[00:45] we need to look into. What do you mean
[00:47] when you say we're not allowed to ask
[00:48] any questions about that? We've we've
[00:51] been told that this individual
[00:54] Robinson is a lone gunman and maybe he
[00:56] is.
[00:57] But the investigation that that I was a
[01:00] part of the National Counterterrorism
[01:01] Center was a part of we were stopped
[01:03] from continuing to investigate and the
[01:04] FBI will say that that they stopped that
[01:06] because
[01:08] they wanted to have to every turn
[01:09] everything over to the Utah state
[01:11] authorities and everything's going to
[01:12] trial it's very very sensitive.
[01:14] But there was still a lot for us to look
[01:15] into that I I I can't really get into
[01:17] but there was still linkage for us to
[01:20] investigate that we needed to run down
[01:22] and I'm not making any conclusions I'm
[01:23] not saying
[01:25] because you know because of this this
[01:27] happened I'm not I'm not saying that at
[01:28] all I'm just saying there's unanswered
[01:29] questions. We know the pressure because
[01:31] of the text messages text messages that
[01:33] have been made public that Charlie was
[01:35] under a lot of pressure from a lot of
[01:37] pro-Israel donors and again we know
[01:39] Charlie was advocating to President
[01:41] Trump against this war
[01:43] with Iran and we knew at the end of the
[01:45] 12-day war at the end of midnight hammer
[01:46] that the Israelis were going to come
[01:47] back and ask us to go back to war
[01:50] again. Right.
[01:51] So we have a lot of data points between
[01:53] Butler the assassination attempts
[01:54] against President Trump the breaches of
[01:56] his security, what happened to Charlie
[01:57] Kirk.
[02:01] Now, of course, this instantly began
[02:03] trending. It's shocking. You have
[02:05] somebody who is the director, former
[02:07] director,
[02:09] of national counterterrorism telling you
[02:11] that he was
[02:12] somebody stopped him. He was stopped
[02:14] from investigating whether or not there
[02:16] could have been any foreign leads or
[02:17] foreign involvement. He says, "I don't
[02:18] know for sure, but I do know that we had
[02:21] things that we would have investigated
[02:22] had not been for Kash Patel." Now, we
[02:24] had already knew had known rather that
[02:26] something was brewing between him and
[02:28] Kash Patel, right? That made it into the
[02:29] Daily Mail at some point. We had covered
[02:31] it.
[02:32] You would think
[02:33] you would think that him sitting down
[02:35] with Tucker and revealing this would
[02:37] shock the senses of Turning Point USA.
[02:40] That it would shock the senses senses of
[02:41] his wife. They would go, "What? Get Kash
[02:44] on the phone immediately. I need to
[02:45] speak to Kash Patel. I need to know why
[02:47] he was stopped.
[02:49] Uh why Joe Kent was stopped from
[02:51] investigating. I demand to know why this
[02:53] happened."
[02:55] And then they should further demand that
[02:57] investigation to take place, right? Was
[02:59] there foreign involvement?
[03:01] But that's of course not what is going
[03:03] to happen following the his appearance.
[03:05] That's never how it works at Turning
[03:07] Point USA. They always forget how to
[03:09] just pretend that they aren't guilty.
[03:12] You know what I mean? They just don't
[03:13] know how to act surprised or dismayed
[03:16] or uh concerned that there could have
[03:19] been foreign involvement. They always do
[03:20] the opposite thing that the rest of the
[03:22] world is doing, right?
[03:24] And this time they're angry at Joe Kent.
[03:27] The Israel first crowd, like I said,
[03:28] immediately began demanding that he
[03:30] spend time in prison for leaking what
[03:32] they claimed are classified documents.
[03:35] Alex Clark, best known for posing in
[03:38] high boots on top of Charlie's vigil
[03:39] site just a mere days after uh he was
[03:42] assassinated, she had this to say on X.
[03:44] She said, "Joe Kent is clearly no friend
[03:47] to Charlie as he has actively
[03:49] participated and or egged on behind the
[03:53] scenes in the degradation of his wife.
[03:55] How anyone could defend him in any way
[03:57] after that disgusts me. Fake friends.
[04:00] Obviously, what's missing from that is
[04:01] any proof, right? I have never heard
[04:04] from any person that Joe Kent egged on
[04:06] anyone going after Erica Kirk. In fact,
[04:07] in terms of public commentators who have
[04:10] gone after Erica Kirk, I actually if
[04:12] they normally loop me in with Tucker
[04:14] Carlson, Megyn Kelly, I stand alone in
[04:17] that group. Tucker Carlson has said he's
[04:19] a friend of Erica Kirk. Kelly has said
[04:20] she's a friend of Erica Kirk. Joe Kent,
[04:22] I have never heard
[04:24] utter a bad word about Erica Kirk. So,
[04:27] is Turning Point going to supply any
[04:28] receipts for the fact that he egged on
[04:30] something that was harmful uh to Erica
[04:33] Kirk?
[04:34] Jack Posobiec, who uh works with Turning
[04:37] Point USA in a lot of different ways,
[04:39] but also is military and has served the
[04:41] country, and therefore, like most
[04:43] military men, respect Joe Kent's
[04:45] accomplishment. He came under fire for
[04:47] merely listing absent any commentary Joe
[04:50] Kent's qualifications and his background
[04:52] having served this country. This is what
[04:54] uh Jack Posobiec wrote, and I'm going to
[04:56] show you how Laura Loomer responded. She
[04:58] He wrote, "Joe Kent has six Bronze Star
[05:00] medals with five oak leaf clusters
[05:02] across 11 combat deployments as a Green
[05:05] Beret in some of the biggest battles of
[05:07] the GWOT."
[05:08] And this they were infuriated. You
[05:10] should see the comments under this. They
[05:11] couldn't stand this. Don't you cannot
[05:12] say anything good about Joe Kent. Laura
[05:15] jumps in and says, "Why are you
[05:17] defending a known leaker who is
[05:19] undermining President Trump? There is
[05:21] now speculation that Joe Kent may have
[05:23] been leaking information to Candace
[05:25] Owens for the purpose of attacking Mrs.
[05:28] Erica Kirk. What are you doing?" Okay, I
[05:30] can tell you right now that that is
[05:32] completely untrue. Joe Kent did not leak
[05:34] me anything for the purpose of attacking
[05:37] Erica Kirk. But, here is what's even
[05:39] more interesting, okay?
[05:41] They don't realize that they're implying
[05:44] that Erica Kirk is guilty of something.
[05:47] Right? Let's Let's actually imagine what
[05:49] they're saying is true. Like Joe Kent,
[05:51] let's say Joe Kent is the one that
[05:53] leaked me crucial information regarding
[05:55] Charlie Kirk, okay?
[05:57] And the investigation.
[06:00] Well, how could that hurt Erica Kirk?
[06:02] That should hurt
[06:04] the Feds if they're lying. It could only
[06:06] hurt someone who is lying to the public
[06:09] about what actually occurred on that
[06:11] day. The implication is that him leaking
[06:15] something harmed Erica Kirk. They're not
[06:17] saying he is a liar, they are saying he
[06:19] is a leaker. I find that to be
[06:20] interesting and they never think through
[06:22] their attacks.
[06:23] So, we got to figure out what it is what
[06:25] is they're talking about. Why are they
[06:26] so upset about what Joe Kent said? How
[06:28] could this harm Erica? Well, we finally
[06:30] were able to determine what it is that
[06:31] they're talking about because
[06:34] Andrew Kolvet addressed the claims
[06:36] directly today on Charlie Kirk's radio
[06:38] show. Take a listen.
[06:40] Uh the
[06:42] central claim though that I want to get
[06:44] to is was
[06:46] Joe Kent leaking certain information.
[06:49] And over the weekend a clip came up and
[06:52] it's gone a little bit viral. I want to
[06:54] address it. Let's go ahead and play it,
[06:55] cut 16.
[06:57] The way that those
[06:58] screenshots got to Candace
[07:02] is via Joe Kent. Andrew Kolvet Andrew
[07:06] was in the chat group as well. He was
[07:08] one of the nine people in the group and
[07:10] he admitted at first
[07:12] to be perfectly honest, at first he was
[07:14] denying it. He didn't know how Candace
[07:15] got them, but then he admitted on the
[07:17] air on his show
[07:19] that he had given these text messages
[07:20] and he gave them
[07:23] to
[07:24] He said that on the show that he gave
[07:26] them to someone in the government. He
[07:27] told us that that he gave them to
[07:29] someone in the government. Joe Kent
[07:31] was someone that we
[07:34] we knew that there was a relationship
[07:36] there between Charlie and Andrew and
[07:37] Joe.
[07:38] We knew that when Charlie would visit
[07:40] Washington D.C. he would talk to Joe. We
[07:42] kind of verified that the messages had
[07:45] been given by Andrew to Joe Kent
[07:48] and that Joe Kent had been the one to
[07:49] pass them on to Candace.
[07:51] All right. So, verified's doing a lot of
[07:54] heavy lifting there. I do want to
[07:56] confirm what I can confirm and that is
[07:58] that yes, in the immediate aftermath, I
[08:01] did provide the group chat to Joe Kent.
[08:03] Um
[08:05] I we don't throw around accusations
[08:07] recklessly here. We don't. There's a lot
[08:09] of people that do that online. We don't
[08:11] do that. We think that's keeping in the
[08:13] spirit of Charlie spirit
[08:15] and the way we choose to do things is we
[08:17] try and be responsible. So, yes, in a
[08:20] spirit of looking at every lead, turning
[08:22] over every stone, we wanted everybody
[08:24] that needed to know to know anything
[08:27] that we knew. Not just I mean and by the
[08:29] way, we've been accused of not being
[08:31] interested in the truth.
[08:32] >> And just to remind people what this is
[08:33] referring to, this is after
[08:37] Charlie's murder, there were text
[08:39] messages that from a private group chat
[08:41] >> Yep. that were made public and were used
[08:45] to frankly kick off
[08:48] the big conspiracy theory that we've run
[08:50] into over and over again, which is that
[08:54] Israel or the Jews had Charlie murdered.
[08:56] >> Yes.
[08:57] So, which we do not believe.
[08:59] >> Which we do not believe, but we have
[09:01] been accused of trying to or we're not
[09:03] interested in the truth. The The actual
[09:06] fact of the matter is that behind the
[09:08] scenes, we have given everything we know
[09:10] to give. Every single piece of
[09:11] information. This was one of them. I was
[09:13] told I could trust Joe Kent. I provided
[09:16] the screen grabs to Joe Kent and the I
[09:19] don't know what happened to them at that
[09:21] point. Okay, that I just want to make
[09:23] that very clear.
[09:24] Eventually,
[09:26] Joe did message me and suggest that I
[09:29] make those screen grabs public. I
[09:31] declined because those were shared
[09:33] privately.
[09:35] I didn't want to be reckless with them
[09:36] in the public. There could be innocent
[09:37] people on that group chat that would
[09:39] then be harmed. So, I declined. But
[09:42] then, fast forward another week or two,
[09:45] and they were made public. So, that's
[09:47] what I know is that Joe suggested that
[09:49] they be made public.
[09:51] I declined, then they were made public.
[09:53] Can I 100% categorically say that he
[09:57] leaked them? No. But, those are the
[09:59] facts. Maybe somebody on his team, maybe
[10:01] they got passed around, maybe somebody
[10:02] else leaked them.
[10:04] But, that's that those are the facts of
[10:06] the matter, and that's what I know.
[10:08] Yeah, the part that Andrew's just
[10:10] forgetting to add there is that he
[10:11] himself told me about the text chain.
[10:14] Andrew was telling multiple people about
[10:16] the text text text chain, and I'm so
[10:19] glad that he is telling the truth that
[10:21] this was going around. And this is their
[10:23] this is their bone to pick with Joe
[10:25] Kent. This is what put a bee in their
[10:27] bonnets. This is what has upset Turning
[10:29] Point USA. As a refresher, Turning Point
[10:33] chose to stay entirely mum on the topic
[10:36] of Charlie's support for Israel, instead
[10:38] allowed a force of Zionists, who were
[10:40] harassing him in his last days, Zionists
[10:42] like Josh Hammer, to lie about what
[10:45] Charlie was going through, right? So, I
[10:48] came out and told the truth. Meghan
[10:50] Kelly came out and told the truth.
[10:51] Tucker came out and told the truth. He
[10:52] was having changing opinions on Israel.
[10:54] Now, we're way far down, we know how
[10:55] true that is. Brett Weinstein has
[10:57] released his messages about Iran. You
[10:59] hear Joe Kent telling you the last time
[11:01] he saw him in the White House, he said
[11:02] that everybody knew this.
[11:04] And Turning Point did not confirm it,
[11:06] and allowed Zionists to lie about that.
[11:08] Then, I released the concrete proof in
[11:11] the form of the text chain, which then
[11:12] forced them to confess confess that
[11:14] there was a communication that took
[11:15] place less than 24 hours before Charlie
[11:18] was shot and killed. And more crucially,
[11:21] it was a communication that took place
[11:22] shortly before Charlie began texting his
[11:25] security and Andrew Kolvet, which he
[11:27] also told me about, that he thought they
[11:28] were going to kill him. Okay? Something
[11:30] that Erica initially denied to the
[11:32] public.
[11:33] So, what we have here is that Turning
[11:35] Point is angry because this made both
[11:36] them and the new CEO and chairman, who
[11:39] also happens to be Charlie Kirk's wife,
[11:41] look bad. Right? Liars hate when they
[11:44] get caught, but narcissistic liars,
[11:46] rather than repenting when they get
[11:47] caught, get angry. And they seek revenge
[11:50] on the people who exposed their lies.
[11:52] They never feel any shame. Okay, they
[11:54] don't possess any shame. The rabbi is
[11:55] not ashamed that he lied and said,
[11:57] "Charlie never blinked on Israel." He's
[11:59] not ashamed that he lied. He's angry he
[12:01] got caught.
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