Joe Rogan Experience #2143 - Tulsi Gabbard

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day cheers here we go my friend this is the second time we ever worked out together I know I feel great it was awesome right that was great it's a great way to get the day started it was perfect actually we do these uh the the comedian uh boot camps so we got did it today we did it with son and Derek and Shane Shane Gillis and and we have fun so you get the workout in and you talk a lot of [�__�] and you get silly it's really fun it's like real silly yeah you know we have a good time yeah I uh yeah thanks for the invite it was pleasure I've been on the road for I don't know for weeks and so you know if you're lucky you get a decent hotel gym but you got to be really creative yeah uh most of them the best they'll have her dumbbells and you know that's it uh I just realized you're the second celebrity to do that with us and the second Hawaiian cuz the rock did it it's like there's something going on Pride here something going on with Hawaiians coming we'll have to figure out you know Max Holloway is Hawaiian and Samo too he didn't work out though Max last time he was here he was just off of his uh his win he just chill a break after that man wow yeah take some time off bro that that um I was telling you like the sauna I I am definitely like from the islands because I'm okay with heat so 20 minutes in the sauna it was good was challenging but it was good yeah the cold however that ice bath I've done that like a quick Polar Plunge briefly jumping in jumping out but and that one was at the lowest setting in terms of the Jets of water okay so what we have is called a blue cube and blue cube is is uh the type of uh Cal plunge that has a it has an engine in it that you can turn on to higher higher levels of waves so if you turn it like to the highest level it's just rushing at you like a river is that better or worse horrible it's horrible because you never develop a thermal barrier okay so if you can just like cold all cold water immersion is very good for you it's good for cold shock proteins norepinephrine mood stabilization makes you feel all those things are good but the still cold is much more Toler for whatever I don't know what's better for you see that's the question like is it better is it just as good and more tolerable or is it better to be more to suffer for the full three minutes cuz if you turn that [�__�] suffer more is the benefit proportional to the suffering is really the question sure I'm not sure if you suffer more if you get more benefit or if there's a point where you're actually hurting your body you know like maybe maybe there's a point I mean obviously if you stay in the cold water too long you'll die that's what hypothermia is yeah so but there's a level where if you just get a few minutes in it's really good for you so I don't know if it's better if you're miserable yeah right I don't know but if you want to test your mind that that blue cube is the one to do because that sucker gets fast that sucker gets like a river so you're just laying in there and it's like [�__�] salt of cold water the moment it sucks when when you climb in that moment never changes mm that's the difference cuz in a regular coal plunge after a while you develop like this thermal barrier and even though it sucks it only sucks like 80% of what it sucked when you first got in yeah with the blue cube it's 100% sucked the whole ride suck he suck suck suck it just sucks so it sounds like you got to try it at least once yeah and figure it out you did the just doing it the way you did it for three minutes like I said the first time I did I did like a minute and 24 seconds all like I couldn't chicken out in front of all the guys you know what I mean it's like when Han says well I did 3 minutes to show up for the Rocks like okay I'm not going to be the one who chickens out at a minute that's not that's not an option well you did it you did no it was good it was good uh it was very challenging it was good I we don't we don't have a we don't have a cold punch like okay I'm not I'm not going to go and like find bags of ice every single day from 71 and dump in the bathtub so I just when I can I just like dump my face in ice cubes and water that's good too yeah yeah I mean that'll wake you up y all that stuff's good there's some pretty reasonably priced options for coolers that you could actually do in a bathtub now there's a bunch of different ways you do it but if you got the scratch like one of these blue cubes or something similar morasco makes a really good one too they're really good yeah see I can see how that feeling the after feeling gets kind of addictive I'm sure someone will reach out to you try to try to get you to use their [�__�] it's very good though but it's it's also like the camaraderie the fun have fun listen to music for sure laugh a lot exactly yeah this is perfect yeah it's a good way to get a podcast started yeah oh by the way congratulations to the marijuana enjoyers of the world cu the DEA officially rescheduled marijuana to they're going to reschedule to schedule three wow which still it should it shouldn't be illegal yes we know that I agree but baby steps you know the fact that it's making progress at all just shows that the you know Collective will of the people is being heard at least somewhat there was I'm trying to remember who it was uh somebody was telling me that like the decriminalization crew they gave an American flag made out of hemp to a member of Congress to Fly Above the capital because it's a normal thing like you know I I would get people when I was in Congress calling and saying hey it's uh you know my friend is retiring from the military from 30 years can you fly a flag in honor of him or her and so you get a little certificate with it and and this like there are many flags that go up and down every day that are given as gifts to people uh so someone did it with a flag American flag made out of hemp and apparently it caused major problems within the DEA and within the administration saying how dare you how could anyone allow this to happen it made zero sense whatsoever but it just pointed to the the backwards mindset and thinking and the sensitivity within the DEA uh and the government around cannabis hemp marijuana it just seems a massive lack of Education too it's not as simple as you know you're thinking of it in connection to marijuana it's hemp is a commodity that has existed forever in fact canvas that writers paint on or that painters artists paint on that the original word canvas came from cannabis it was made out of hemp they made hemp paper is a better paper they they made hemp clothing it's far superior to Cotton the only reason why they This Is Where It gets weird it h there there's there's a bunch of things that took place that took hemp away from being a common source of paper and clothing but one of them was making slavery illegal because before they came out with the decorticator with the the primary way they used uh to process hemp fiber was really painstaking cuz it's a it's an incredible plant it's a very light plant but it's insanely durable like hemp clothing is so much more dur like I have a hemp Jiu-Jitsu ghee from datura okay and that sucker never rips my cotton GES they're good for like you know you wear them for like 6 months a year they're going to [�__�] starts going even like really strong stable cotton thread start going these hemp GES are like they're Invincible it's crazy and pemp paper is so difficult to tear it's like a completely different kind of P makes no sense yeah it's an amazing rope it it's like you could use it to make concrete they make hemp have you seen that where they make houses with it yeah my my dad is a a state senator in Hawaii he's the chair of the agriculture committee and for years he's been the state's biggest advocate for hemp as um an economic driver and and to to help revive agriculture in Hawaii and so he's talked endlessly about the houses and just everything all of the different benefits of hemp he's got some hemp aloha shirts and and the whole deal the the this this thing that you're talking about though the the federal government in the classification is the biggest barrier to this actually becoming um a really viable and thriving industry in our country because people are growing crops of of hemp but they've got to go through all of this crazy THC testing and I've talked to people who are who are farmers and business people who are investing in this and they've had to throw like entire crops away because of I don't know the details about the testing but it it just you know 1 plus one doesn't equal two when you look at the reality of the benefits of hemp and the the farming process and the concerns that they have within the DEA so is the concern if it has any level of THC at all if correct say like it's valuable as aod what's so it's so stupid this this whole thing is stupid because we're always concerned about and rightly so about cutting down forests to make paper right right well guess what hemp paper you can grow an entire like first of all it's much more viable you have much more product it's much more durable and you can regr it quick exactly it just Grows Right Back Again whereas trees takes years and years to grow them back hemp you got another season whoop okay here's hand plant grows crazy fast super light super durable yeah just got to think about it as a commodity and stop connecting it to marijuana and you're going well this is invaluable because this could solve a lot of our problems especially with deforestation and then if you look at it for building materials like wait this might be the greatest Building Material we can use it's incredible insulation it's very durable strong and again renewable like instantaneously it grows so quick yeah what's what's interest I mean for us in Hawaii I mean what tourism is the biggest economic driver we have and every time there's you know in the post 911 when people weren't traveling so much during covid when everything shut down businesses go out of business small businesses are driven out because if they don't have that driver so the conversation always comes up about okay well we've got to diversify our economy and this is one of those areas that has huge potential for a small island State like ours in Hawaii and what's interesting is uh Mitch McConnell I believe he's from Kentucky uh their state is also a state that is promoting uh hemp as a major agriculture driver so there there's opportunity there but it requires a lot more education uh from those both in the administration and in Congress to actually take down those barriers and allow it to actually truly be an industry in America when we started first started selling hemp protein and on it we have to get it from Canada H you can sell it in America can't grow it here was like what it's just food it's just hemp seeds it's really good for you it's like full of amino acids and rich in protein and they're like no can't grow it that shit's illegal you know what's nuts too is is um the military people who are on active duty in the military they can't put hemp seeds in their smoothie they can't use any CBD bomb that you can buy at the freaking gas station or anything at all because CBD bomb yeah CBD bomb anything that has um your your energy drink that has cvd K Cliff cannot not allowed you you could you could seriously get punished so they if you caught are they testing blood for CBD they they're not testing blood for CBD so it's just illegal so if you get caught with the product if you get caught with the prodct correct and the Their Fear is like you're going to piss hot because you know you take the you know random your analysis tests and everything else but it so so the I I laughed you know I mean again it's lack of Education it's fear and it's like well this is baned by the federal government so the military must comply but at the same time the guy uh within the Army the civilian who was putting out this policy um he also said you're not allowed to eat anything with poppy you can't eat a poppy seed muffin I was going to bring the wildest one well you will yeah you will like you can go to Dubai and they'll if you go places where it's like seriously strict Saudi Arabia they'll test you for heroin it'll you'll test positive for heroin yeah unal poppy seeds are rough that's a scary one it's like wait a minute Bagel poppy seeds those things make you pissed hot for heroin lemon poppy seed muffin what yeah they tell you if you go in for a drug test do not eat poppy seeds before you go it's crazy like what Bagels how bad is your test right how bad you tested the point yeah how bad is your test technology biology like all this stuff you guys can't get a bagel this is so stupid you could have put someone in a cage for eating a bagel yeah but like for a guy in the military that could be the end of your freaking career You' be kicked out for it yeah and you know just being at a party and people are smoking and you know you get secondhand smoke you'll test positive you know those those tests are probably pretty rough because people definitely get high from secondhand smoke I've seen it happen before I've seen sober people go into a room that's filled with pot and every everyone comes out like a little loopy like you're breathing in the same air you're breathing in pot a I used to have a dog that I got uh she was astray and she was a little prone to anxiety as it is and if she was in the room when people smoked pot she would get high and she'd get paranoid she'd started hiding under tables I was like oh Lucy she was sad not good get CH no she was like the world that's dangerous you know she used to live on the street man so it's just uh I guess it's a good thing that they've scheduled it schedule three but for sure forget about the drug part they should be encouraging hemp production in this country it's it's an amazing food source hemp has all of the essential amino acids it's very rich in protein it's easily digestible as far as like plant-based protein for me is my favorite one and the easiest one to digest like just like easy It Goes Down Smooth it's no problem at all and you know it's it's very good for you yeah and CBD is very good for you but forget about all that just just for a commodity and for building construction and clothing you know the first draft the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp I've heard that yeah yeah like it it was it was used for everything yeah it was used for ropes for for sailboats yeah they made sails out of it all that's the canvas that was all made out of cannabis initially it was all hemp it's just it's it's just I mean I I introduced legislation in Congress to deschedule it completely because it shouldn't be well the wildest thing is how it happened in the first place the wildest thing how it happened in the first place is because it was all William Randolph Hurst and Harry anslinger and so what happened was William Randol Hurst who owned Hurst Publications he also owned um not just newspapers but he owned paper mills and he owned forests so he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper well he if if they were going to transfer over to hemp this is going to be very costly and the cover of Popular Science magazine in I think it was 1930 F find out what year that cover was it says hemp the new billion dooll crop because they came up with a new machine and it was called a decorticator and this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way so it's machine that grinds it up and so once they do this they go oh boy we've figured out we they've solved this problem of hemp where it's really it's very durable but it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers so 1938 oh wow so this comes out in 1938 hemp the new billion doll crop and so it's the cover of Popular Science magazine do you see do do they have the cover so you can see what it says just an article actually came just an article today about this somewhere vot him oh wow thetic mechanics magazine I'm sorry so so the article is from 1938 and so when they come out with this they talk about this uh new invention see if you could find a photo of the decorticator because it's like this grindy kind of thing is that what it looks like hemp the new billion dollar crop so once they had this ability to really quickly turn it into fibers then Big Industry starts getting involved and um what what they start doing is they start making these stories and putting them in the newspaper about Mexicans and black people smoking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women and marijuana was not pot marijuana was uh a wild Mexican tobacco it was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco it had nothing to do with marijuana so they started attaching this name to something and calling it a drug because they knew that cannabis was so ubiquitous and and hemp as a as a commodity was everybody knew it what what it was good for right so they had to come up with some sneaky way to get it through so they come up with the word marijuana so marijuana was not a term for pot it wasn't a term for cannabis it was a ter for this wild Mexican tobacco and so when they started making marijuana illegal Congress didn't even understand that it was the same thing as hemp and so they had to come up with some sort of a tax stamp that you can have in order to grow hemp while marijuana is illegal and then this is like right after prohibition right right so prohibition ends you got all these cops that were used to busting people like sick them on the farmers now exactly and this is what happened exactly and then they come up with these Dopey movies that are amazing to watch today have you ever seen Reefer Madness mm it's crazy it's like people smoking pot just jumping out of Windows and killing people it's just like it know this guy smoking pot propaganda oh it's the worst propaganda but it was really effective like this is it I've got a few of these uh posters weird that I have them I have them uh framed oh my gosh because these movies were insane and they were just full on propaganda movies crime sorrow hate shame despair find the movie find a clip from the movie reform Madness we'll just watch it without playing it but it's it was so nutty like and they scared everybody yeah like oh my God oh my God oh my God so understand that media has sucked forever yeah exactly just understand that so this is reer madness at the local soda fountain innocently they dance so that dude on the piano he a re lurking behind clo doors marijuana the burning weed with its roots in [Music] hell look at him in this film you will see the ease with which this vicious plant can be grown in your neighbor's yard rolled into harmless looking cigarettes hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case in this startling film you will see dopers lure children to destruction we're going over to Joe's Place why don't you come along we have a date to play a set of doubles oh you can play anytime come on we'll have some laughs can I go along with you sure hey I'll see you dinner sis if you want a good smoke try one of these you will meet Bill who once took pride in his strong will and he takes the first step toward enslavement enslavement you're [Music] afraid smoking the soul destroying Reaper they find a moment's pleasure but at a terrible price divor violence murder wow look she's just going to jump out the window oh my gosh jeez [Music] apparently it makes you act terrible too right terrible at acting play fast she's actually playing pretty good for someone who's stoned yeah you know imagine being hammered and try to play that oh my gosh yeah so this was the propaganda from and what year was that Jamie 36 36 so this is all they're all like trying to stop hemp as a commodity wow that's really what it's all about yeah it's really not about isn't it fascinating just to see just you know the repetition of the the propaganda information Warfare to be able to serve a a special interest yeah it's ridiculous and it's ridiculous that it's fear and yeah and that it was going on almost 100 years ago what's also important about it is the problem with something like that is that now you don't trust the media right now if you don't trust the media and then you go out and try it yourself you don't have real accurate information because now there's like this there there's these narratives that have been created that aren't based on truth and so you don't know where to go you don't know what's real and what's not and then you have people that tell you it's harmless and then you have people tell you there's people like me they go n cuz I'm like it's not harmless it's not marijuana is not a harmless thing you definitely shouldn't take it when you're young and here's what's really important some people can't handle it for whatever reason and it's most likely some biological thing just like some people are allergic to aspirin or whatever like there's some people they don't mix well with that stuff and there's a real connection between schizophrenia with some people that maybe are per susceptible to schizophrenia Alex Baron wrote a great book about it called tell your children it's very interesting because there's real instances of people taking high doses and getting schizophrenic yeah but if we we're being lied to about it no one knows what who did right who's going to give me the information where's the truth coming out because there if one group is saying that this is a schedule one chemical and it's very dangerous and then all your friends are just smoking weed and going to the movies you're like well clearly this is not that dangerous like Jiu-Jitsu people and Surfers they're all getting high like what's real here yeah and because we don't have the ability to to just honestly talk about things without everything getting so weird and like like the hemp thing like having a hemp flag like this is problem with the DEA hey guys don't you have fenel to worry about why are you [�__�] with flags seriously it makes no there only 10,000 DEA agents I think there's 10,100 something DEA agents you you guys got time for Flags yeah how many pounds of fenel is coming through that border while we're talking well you and I are talking how much fenel is making it across in people's shoes and underwear and where the [�__�] they're hiding it no one's checking everybody yeah no it's true it's uh and then of course all all the medicinal qualities of CBD as well and and how many people and kids and and just people are benefiting from that well Dave Foley told me that he his arthritis was so bad that his his fingers were kind of like locked in this position he had a really hard time straightening him till he started taking CBD and then he's like it's so much better now wow just like my fingers have full range emotion now yeah I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains and and it actually helps some people with anxiety too which is interesting the conflict here is as you know you know as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever all these different levels but because of the federal um prohibition essentially you know you've got banking it is a multi I don't know multi hundred million dollar industry at least at this point but in order to be able to conduct business with the bank the bank and the business owner faces potential a potential Federal charge yeah of a crime and so it's um you know the the the second third fourth order of effects of this scheduling of uh cannabis is is very very far-reaching and and creating a worse problem which you know is you know okay so we do this on the black market is this just become a cash industry or where does this go yeah and the problem also is by having some states have it legal and some states have it illegal then you still open up a market for illegal sales in the country and what happens is the cartel comes in and they start growing it on public lands I had a guy on the podcast name is John Norris and he started off as a game warden so he started off as a guy who's going to check fishing licenses and stuff and one day they find that a stream has been diverted and they're trying to figure out why why the stream is dried up so they make their way up the stream they find these this irrigation system that's set up for an IL marijuana grow up in the middle of public land in California so then they develop a tactical team so it goes from being him being a game War to now they have dogs and bulletproof vests they're getting in shootouts with the cartel so they're ex because they're making millions of dollars but they're using really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America and they're just using that [�__�] up there so who knows what the [�__�] you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot yeah because when California changed the law and made marijuana legal recreationally they made growing marijuana without a license it's just a misdemeanor so these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel like this is you have nothing to risk right you're just it's a misdemeanor and we can make millions and millions of dollars yeah and so they have these guys up there they have like you know rosaries and all the like photos of Jesus and [�__�] they find in campgrounds and they they pay these guys to go out there grow this stuff and then bring bring it out Harvest it and bring it out and they're selling it he said that I think believe John said at the time of our podcast that 90% of all the marijuana that's being sold in the states where it's illegal is all from these grow Ops a lot of them in California on public land by the cartels 90% yeah 90 that's huge even good oldfashioned American pot growing entrepreneurs the illegal ones they can't keep up with the cartel and this is because it's illegal and this is the same reason why fentel is coming in the same re I mean don't do heroin kids okay but it should you can't if you keep everything illegal you're going to just prop up the government of these compan of these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless and you're it's being propped up by Americans at 100% 100% 100% it it's a it's a rough thing to deal with because we don't want to say like oh let's make all drugs legal cuz my God the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug overd so nobody wants ever kids to be doing drugs right but also if you don't do that you're just going to empower our neighbors to the South who happen to be drug dealers some of them and they they're making billions of dollars selling drugs to America and you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded history people are dying there's 100,000 plus people every year that are dying from opiate overdoses which is nuts that's so much crazy it's crazy that it's happening here in the United States of America and the thing is it's this is where it's hard it's happening because it's illegal which sounds so counterintuitive it would the the problem is if it was legal there would be a long period of time where it would be really bad you know I think if it was legal too many people would try it that wouldn't try it wouldn't have otherwise yeah they're not going to go to a drug dealer but if they can just go to the CVS right and buy heroin like let's see what the fuss is all about yeah you know that's spooky I think that this this is the conversation that needs to be had though you know what I mean it's I mean it's the same thing about people unwilling to even discuss what what is the right path how do we how do we handle um this this crisis that is a national crisis taking so many people's lives tell people not to do it yeah right okay okay I don't know well that that works out it doesn't work it doesn't work in it's uh that's we're in a weird spot I was in uh San Diego a few weeks ago we went out um kind of to to film a little mini documentary about what's happening at the Border in San Diego there's a lot of attention being put on you know Texas and Arizona but California's border is a whole different Dynamic both because they've got you know a long stretch of Border where you're you're Crossing in and you're going straight to mountains you know big Open Spaces but then you've got the very dense Urban uh Corridor I suppose uh where people whether they're coming in through the water or they're just coming across the border where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly but uh what what was there there's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting number one is we we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through the numbers that are being reported I think it's close to 9 million now just over the course of the Biden Administration what I saw there were um people coming in and we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world illegal immigrants and uh seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go or they knew that border patrol was going to pick them up and knowing that they will get processed claim Asylum and most of them will be out with a plane ticket anywhere in the country uh within 24 hours and so crazy it's it's I you know and I've talked with some of the border of Patrol agents and and you know they're they're not allowed to say anything on the record but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job what what is the justification for the plane ticket uh they don't have the they don't have the ability to House people where they are so just like where do you want to go Utah okay here you go where do you want to go New York City and I went and I talked to a lot of them I sat down and talked with people from Brazil from Egypt from uh Colombia from Venezuela from um you know different parts of Eastern Europe people from all over the world coming here with with the known plan in this well oiled machine and and I'm I'm talking about this CU it is very directed to the cartel directly connected to the cartels who are being enabled in their multi-billion Dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies by the Biden administration's policies at the border which is connected to their ability to move Fentanyl and other drugs across the border and so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then uh went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and and talking to people who were clearly clearly um extremely high on multiple drugs and we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there who's just playing clothes he's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there but we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand uh he seemed barely conscious but we had a he he was was engaging in a long conversation with us and um you know I was asking him about fentel and he's like oh yeah I take fentel sometimes uh but I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep I ask like aren't you afraid of not waking up like he's like yeah I've had a lot of friends who died from fentanyl but I know how much to take and I know how to manage it and have you have you he's like yeah I almost died twice and I was revived uh but and then asking him uh the police officer asked him what would it take to get you off the street what would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help and and to get off drugs and he said he's 27y old guy nothing nothing um he said there's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay and I want to live my life this way it was so heartbreaking to see him you know his eyes were barely open and and um clearly in an altered state of mind but even in that state in this conversation how do you how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped you can't it's the problem I mean you could talk to them you could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things but the addiction gets so deep yeah and there's this uh thing that some addicts will say is that um I feel better when I'm high that it's the only time I feel good it's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high and if you take that away my life is terrible and if you've been an addict for a long time the longer you're an addict in fact the more that's true right because the more your life is a wreck and then you're forced to deal with it when you come off and you realize like oh my God I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict like what the [�__�] how is this exactly and then now you're sober and your life is in shambles try to figure out how did you go so and then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin you want to go back you want to go back to that and it's also people like get really scared of success even success in staying sober they get scared of doing things well and they seek comfort in Failure because they've they've become accustomed to failure so if they the pressure of doing well and of like staying sober and like keeping healthy like it's almost too much just just the maintaining the psycholog the anxiety all the all the fear that comes with failing that you just want to fail just so you could just feel comfortable again because then you you don't have to there's no pressure yeah you don't have to deal with the pressure yeah it's scary the the human mind is so susceptible to so many different things whether it's Cults or addictions or you know I mean we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of like very strange things and a lot of these things I I think I think a lot of the mental issues are accentuated by social media I think um that they're they exacerbate them badly and a lot of I think there's a lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are just killing themselves by being online all the time yeah I believe it I really do I think it's terrible for you yeah yeah I mean it's so easy to get sucked into it it's so easy and people that are like arguing with people constantly online my God what a terrible waste of time yeah when when that becomes your reality dealing with people and perceptions and you know measuring yourself against whatever you're seeing and and all of it and and you you slip out of the real world and building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations yeah the the comparing too the comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with exactly and we're very very fortunate because especially um young girls today and Jonathan ha's work on this has been really interesting his book The codling of the American mind is a great one and it's all about what you could see like exactly when social media is invented all this self harm and all the Suicidal Thoughts suicidal ideation and suicide all goes up for girls and it's comparing themselves doesn't surprise me yeah absolutely it's such a bizarre thing that a person can get super duper famous just dancing on an app that goes online and then they make millions of dollars and they're like your age and you're like what's wrong wrong with me I'm a Los you can't just live your life and hang out with your friends everyone is in constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist and then you and then you add the the layer of AI onto that where you have complete uh you've got videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct uh not just that people are paying to talk to them right there's this guy they found this they were doing this study on AI girlfriends where people have like interactions with AI this guy was spending $10,000 a month on his AI girlfriend gosh oh my gosh Isis could get that guy they just got to find him if they just find that guy they can talk that guy into anything if you're willing to get if you're going to get an AI girlfriend 10,000 bucks a month yeah you'll join the Moonies you'll you'll be in whatever comes along grabs you son You're vulnerable they'll get you but that's you know you look at what's happening on on college campuses across the country right now it it speaks exactly to that that that vulnerability of of being manipulated or uh you know solden ideology and then grabbing on to it um as as though you you now have a sense of purpose yeah the that's the problem the sense of purpose is like so attractive to people that there's so many kids that want to be like so righteous and they just want to like criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do and so it like you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine things on school campuses I'm like my God which brings me to this is an interesting thought like what are your what's your opinion on this potential Tick Tock ban uh I oppose it I oppose it on the grounds of of free speech and civil liberties you know this is you speaking of fomenting fear this is one of those um pieces of legislation that's you know if if you just read the talking points for those who support it and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle um you think like oh my gosh we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff but when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does it's not really about Tik Tock at all it's about government being able to choose uh what platforms are acceptable and what are not and what we as Americans are able to either get information from or put information out and then you look at okay well if they're giving themselves that Authority how will it then be enforced then you get into the civil liberties concern of the fourth amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out okay well now I'm going to have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app then you're looking at uh you know the the the designation is that if you have uh 20% or more uh ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated um by our government to be illegal because of its association with a a foreign adversary there are a few countries listed there but the president would have the power to designate any other country of foreign adversary without any kind of you know Congress wouldn't have to take action it's a it's a unilateral move uh you are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary and so you know Elon Musk has talked about this it is not outside of the realm of of the the um not only possible but the probable that if they wanted to say okay well you know Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like and oh he also owns this platform called x x should be shut down because of this Association uh the the I think Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most and I'm paraphrasing but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberty since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9/11 and when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes they are they are very eerily similar in invoking National Security concerns and the language and the way that's written is intentionally vague that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch just like the Patriot Act did to single-handedly say well this is a good guy and this is a bad guy and that has a direct implication on Americans and wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones yes yes and and both of these things were actually wrapped up into that that same bill that just passed through they lumped together a whole bunch of different things they were they were separate previously but uh the thing that the Tik Tock band was lumped together with was the bill that would reinstate or extend the um fisa authorities the foreign intelligence Security Act authorities for another two years um section 702 of fisa gives our government the authority to um surveil foreign actors essentially to try to identify terrorist threats but part of that is they have the ability to capture all of the conversations if you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen and they can do this without a warrant this has been in place for quite some time uh but this legislation that was just passed recently expanded those authorities so they can go and actually look at like your your WiFi uh history if you're connected to Wi-Fi they can look at everything that you did connected to that Wi-Fi signal and and in some other ways it's it's it took an already bad problem and made it many many times worse and again they're just saying well it's for National Security the problem here is that's the thing they always say though that's the thing they always say and and it's like you know the I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said if if you know um if you are choosing security over Liberty you will neither be secure nor will you have Liberty um that's not an actual quote but that's basically the point here and that's the false choice that many of these politicians are are forcing on the American people is you can either be less free and more safe or you can be more free and oh by the way you're going to invite more terrorist attacks or more National Security uh incursions on our country and it's just it's just BS it is BS it's also very unamerican it is and here's the problem with government overreach the government is just people yeah that's the problem like you know if if you thought of them as something other than a three-letter name like dea CIA NSA just a bunch of people y you would go well why is this like the DEA why is this 10,000 people telling all these other people what to do that sounds crazy there's way more of them than there are of us if we was just in this room and uh Jamie turns out to be the cop and uh he says hey uh I'm going to put you two in prison because uh I heard you like hemp like we like Jimmy [�__�] off that's crazy but if if it's a government agency with a three-letter name you're like oh it's the government it's the government the government is just human beings and there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power yes rich people want to get richer hot people want to get hotter like that's what it is you know it's like everybody wants to improve and the government's they're in the business of telling you what to do and they want to be better at that business yeah and the best way is to be able to like constantly be able to surveil everything you say and do right and and again it it go we shouldn't let them no and and this is the problem this is the problem is that you know every elected official swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution yet as we saw with this most recent example they are so ready to uh undermine our fourth amendment rights in the constitution in the name of National Security and I know some of them are doing it with with good intention but with without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are protected you you swear an oath to do this when you when you take this job while also ensuring okay well we can do both and we must do both we can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us and then you you add on to that what's happening now where you know like January 6 for example I was working out in the gym Marine Corps gym in Hawaii down the street from our house bumped into a guy who I met uh it's a long story but I met him when uh the Rocks stunt double was getting his traditional Simone tattoo and it's a whole ceremony it was a 7-Day thing and so this other guy is Simone we met became friends so I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14-year-old son how's it going this and that he's like oh the FBI just came to my house out in La uh small rural community on the island of aahu I was like what's going on he's like yeah they came and knocked on my door because he said I took my son to go and witness democracy so they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the capito and they they didn't arrest him they didn't charge him with anything but but how is it how is it that you know years later years later they go and find this guy and his family in a rural Mormon community in LA in Hawaii they're capturing all of the data of people whose whose cell phones were pinging within the that vicinity yes uh during that period of time not only on January 6th and they are continuing to widen that net looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and and all of this stuff for what you're going to go the FBI is going to go and investigate people who showed up there on the lawn on the capital you look at what they're and this is this istics it's it's it is absolutely Scare Tactics so when we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons we can see where even the best of intentions with some of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places what to speak of the fact that we have limited resource and limited people yeah what are they not investigating you talked about the DEA what what about the FBI and all these millions of people are coming across our border are they tracking who they are no they're not are they tracking where they're going no they're not we have no idea people coming from the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe and Venezuela gang members like all of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes and they're going and knock in on my friend's door and LA because he brought his 14-year-old son to Washington DC that week and here's the question um was the FBI there how many how many people were there and how come they don't have to answer that exactly they don't say why not be transparent also they should be there like the government should be there in case some [�__�] goes sideways ex right that's I'm so I'm sure they're there but are some of the agents not good just like some dentists suck are some of the agents not good and are some of the agents encouraging people to go in because that could be true too because if we look at what happened with the governor of uh Michigan Right was it Michigan or Minnesota Michigan that story is Bonkers it is when you find what was it like 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informant right what yeah and these two dopes who just like just dumb asses like adiq dumb asses that just cont stricted to this [�__�] they cosplay and they we're going to kidnap her definitely we're going to [�__�] get Liberty done they don't know what they're doing they're stupid yeah and those poor [�__�] have to go to jail yeah exactly and the whole thing was scheduled and set up by FBI informant like that seems crazy aren't there real problems instead of like creating problems and arresting people for those problems aren't there real problems going on and if there's not like you guys good at your job we trust in you and there are like you know I I know some great FBI agents and there are people who are doing who are doing good work absolutely I've met great FBI agents nice people good people Patriots absolutely but they're like dentists some of them are great they're this is I mean it's just you know it's it's can say militaries and law enforcement like yes you are going to find those few for sure they're there but but with um so I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency where there are people who are really really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI that's occurring by the heads um and then there are others who are just like full send we're on board let's go uh and it's it's creating a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency um I the agency people get confused that's the C that's probably probably some similar things going on there but within the FBI a lot of fear that uh you got to watch what you say around even your own colleagues and your own peers because there are people who are on different sides which is horrible like you are on the side of America yeah you were on the side of the American people and upholding the rule of law and and securing our country going after the bad guys well when the bad guys now become your neighbor down the street we're we're in a very different uh realm a dangerous one it's just how it is with people Red Sox fans hate Yankee fans just like they're in the same country you're going to have conflict even inside the FBI you're going to have conflict in every group you're going have power struggles you know you're either with Bob or you're not if you want to make it in this business you want to get to the top of this agency you got to stay with Bob and Bob's [�__�] calling the shots I'm on team Bob you know like [�__�] Mike and then that's what happens with people it it happens in everything and you have people that are they go in with good intentions and they get corrupted by systems that are corrupt that's where for for the you know across whether it's the FBI the Department of Justice all of these it matters you know who who's in charge yeah these are all civilian Le organizations uh they are political appointees and you know in in theory they are the people who should be held accountable but they are setting that tone did you hear what AOC said she said the people that are Str they're coming in to this country most of them it's because of climate change I didn't hear that one it's amazing it is straight out of South Park it's straight out of South Park go wow like what yeah I know oh that's the only reason oh like is there more has the climate changed more than I know you do do you know something I don't know like what are you saying yeah what's going on down there the best are those those clips I just saw one on uh in Instagram the other day from like 1985 where a newscaster is I think it might even been black and white and she's saying the the climate change scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the Earth is destroyed 1992 is going to be the year and then whoever made this clip they juxtaposed her clip with one from uh Bernie Sanders saying the exact same thing with a different date you know how many decades later problem is when you fear Monger you distract people from the real issue like what is really going on like how bad are we [�__�] up the planet you know here's one that doesn't get discussed enough we've killed everything in the ocean the the ocean is depleted what was the number Jamie like 90% of the big fish are gone yeah some crazy number like that because of just just imagine how py iic it is to have a a species that goes into another dimension that it's not a resident of and uses Nets and just takes everything it can get and catches a bunch of dolphins and [�__�] there that doesn't want anyway and they all die exactly a new Global study concludes that 90% of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century in 50 years so that's a c M that's a disaster of Epic Proportion when it comes to like ecology and when it comes to the just the the the environment of the world itself we're killing most cuz we like sushi we're killing we're killing most of what's in the ocean it's bananas yeah and so that is getting ignored because everyone is talking about fossil fuels and I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media because there is a thing that you can do and nudge conversations in a certain way with Bots and with fake statistics and with fear mongering and meanwhile China is opening hundreds of new coal power plants they're they're they're doubling down on coal and I think through Tik Tock and through probably Facebook and YouTube and all these different things and Instagram I'm sure there's countless Bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and finding the way into your algorithm and they affect the way people think about things and guess what if you go to Chinese Tik Tok it's all academic accomplishments martial arts demonstrations science achievements and you can't go on after 10 p.m. right and me know in America it's dudes with fake eyelashes reading stories to Toddlers and it's everybody telling you the ocean's going to boil yeah it's weird it's Osama Bin Laden's letter it to America yeah the letter to America thing was wild too everybody's like wow you know Osama Bin Laden had a point my gosh that that's I I had a dinner the other night with with a a a a family it was it was uh during the holiday of Passover and this this question came up about uh what would happen if another 911 style terrorist attack or some major um incident like that came up in our country today would it have that same kind of unifying effect that occurred after that attack on 911 and when you look at things like that like the Osama Bin Laden letter and you look at uh how there there is I mean there there's an entire not an entire generation but there's a lot of people now who I wouldn't be surprised if they said well you know such an attack was justified and and not have that same kind of sense of unity of like hey no matter our differences we got to stand together as Americans and that's a that's a that should be a serious concern it's it should be a serious concern also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are and when you have a situation like October 7th in Israel I saw within days before Israel did what they did in Palestine within days I saw people justifying the attack on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians I'm like hey that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy to say that you think people should be indiscriminately shot and killed and just in Mass at a at a [�__�] Rave like paratrooping and you think that's okay because of what Israel's done but guess what those people didn't do that right those people at the Rave and those people that are on the border those are apparently according to Ari those are the the hippies right they're the ones who want to be they're the ones who don't believe that we should be there yeah they don't believe in borders they want to be close to the Palestinians right exactly and that that's where you know some of the things that they're chanting at at uh that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones we hope that October 7th happens 10,000 times over they say you know celebrating Hamas this ismus terrorist organization it it's it is it's it's um you know I I I don't I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid you know what I mean like these kids are going to Ivy League schools they are they are being absolutely manipulated and there is there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged in this example by these radicalism groups like Hamas and they had plan this they've been doing this for hundreds of years and they're using technology and they're using other means to be able to to achieve that end no doubt as is Russia as is China they've infiltrated universities you know the the famous Yuri banov speech from 1984 it's which is crazy when you hear it today because he called it he knew it was going to happen and it's happening and it's happening from college campuses outward so the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the youngest they don't have jobs and Real World Experience they don't have they don't they don't they're young they they have ideology they're they're a little bit unrealistic and they're all captured by this status game that going on on campus where you're trying to be the most radical like oh he's so radically Pro Palestine he's so hot you know and then that really becomes a thing you become virtuous and you become attractive you become interesting without actually being interesting just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now it's in Vogue and that's really what it is and I think a lot of that is funded by Foreign governments and there's a lot of evidence that points to it and we should consider it as a possibility and don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory consider it as a possibility and so this is the question about things like Tik Tok like and and Twitter and all of them all of them cuz I guarantee you it's not just foreign countries kids I guarantee you there are people in this country that are using it I know businesses do it yes I know I guarantee you people do it to try to influence the way people think about things and when you see posts I've seen posts multiple times saying outrageous things and I'll just okay let me click on this guy and it's usually some letters and a numbers and name maybe and a bunch of numbers and then I click and I'm realized oh fake person just go through all this stuff posts yeah it's all just retweeting inflamatory stuff and it's just nutty [�__�] crazy politic takes and like really aggressive takes on things and like wow how many of them are there yeah I there there's no there's no question that this is happening and and the social media algorithms are feeding it and playing playing right into it and in our attention and our minds are the commodity 100% And if they can just trick you into buying some stuff along the way that be great exactly exactly who ever thought that your data would be so valuable that's the thing about when like you and I were younger it meant nothing your data meant nothing like nobody what is what are you talking about my data about my right what is that why would anybody be interested in that remember my first inclination that data meant something was I bought Dianetics I bought that book in like 1994 when I first moved to Hollywood and Scientology never stopped sending me things they never yeah they I was like oh that's how they get you yeah and then they get you to join I guess you have to give them a piece give him a taste what you doing you join the group yeah and so data now is responsible for the largest corporations in terms of like the amount of money yeah like think about Apple how big apple is and how much data Apple has and Apple's better at with data than Android systems are and Google's terrible with it yeah like but they're it's just like they're just siphoning off your data yeah and that's the fallacy and that's that's kind of the the falsehood of the argument who are for people who are pushing that Tik Tok ban bill is if they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected um you got to do it across the board yes because every single one of these social media big tech company is collecting as much as they possibly can and if you think they're not selling it uh to the highest bidder whether they be an American company or a foreign company of course they are this is their this is their business model wasn't there some controversy about one of the DNA companies whether it's ancestry or one of the other ones there was where sold their data to China I think so I don't remember which one you sold everybody's jeans like I didn't know you could do that I wouldn't have signed up for that you could sell my jeans to China like if China was like offering free DNA test China was it no it was they didn't sell to China who they sell it to uh CL Smith kle a big Pharma oh that's even scarier and who do they sell it to they can sell it to anybody else too right says 23 of me sells anonymous drug for 20 million even that much anous guys it's Anonymous of course of course wasn't there one with China though with ancestry I mean yeah this is 23 and me now this is ancestry also this is anesty as well uh interesting2 million just I remember something about China I mean I just typed in data sold and that's what comes up I might be on the wrong forums though I might be on some conspiratorial forums I might have gone too deep on the JFK Rabbit Hole the other night this is what you said oh okay China there it goes uh groundbreaking move that has sent shock waves through the Biotech Industry 23 in May the leading personal G geonomics and biotechnology companies officially announced the sale of its entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing $10 billion wow yeah so that's the one I was looking for but I'll just add that that's only coming from a medium article not any other articles are saying that Jamie why you got to [�__�] it up with facts I'm just trying to understand what's happening I don't know J is on it why you gotta [�__�] it up with facts yeah who knows but but your data is extremely valuable that's weird and it's also valuable to humans it's humans selling other humans data whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA or the it's just a bunch of people and if they don't have to follow the same rules that you follow then we have real problems and when you have entire groups of people that are dependent upon technology that's controlled almost entirely by one ideology and then you let the government get involved like they did with Twitter and you see with the the Twitter files you're like oh Jesus like this is bad like you let the government have a back door and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do what not to do and you were complying right people were telling other people that they couldn't have experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about medical problems yes you got to stop this stop those experts from Talking remove those posts ban those people like the government is saying that exactly exactly and even if they're not even if they're not saying hey do this or else even if they're not making an explicit threat just the fact you're getting requests from the government what what would you like what are you going to do the FBI is calling and saying like hey we'd really like you to do X Y or Z in my mind be like okay like what am I going to be investigated for outside of this if I say no also what are the consequences going to be if you're a person working at Twitter right this is not you they're not investigating you they're investigating someone else right so if they're going in they're talking about these posts like hey this expert is spreading misinformation and this is like they're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing we need to stop this put a stop to this like why is the government being involved in a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical drug companies like what are you doing and how do you know did you guys audiate this did you guys get in front of a court did you guys get in front of experts did people testify did you have someone who's pro and con this someone who lays out this argument did you examine this no no no you didn't now you just contacted Twitter yeah and Twitter said okay because what are they going to do they're [�__�] Executives if you're working at Twitter and this old Twitter and you're like super woke right and you know you just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room then all a sudden you get an email from the FBI like I don't want to [�__�] up this job I got a cushy job and you're like okay what do I have to do okay I'll do that yeah exactly so you do that and that's not good it's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people they're just people you could call them the FBI you can call them the DNA they're human beings and human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a country that's supposed to Value Freedom that that's the thing in end of itself is unamerican and that that's where this isn't just like some Rogue FBI agent doing this or some Rogue uh you know bureaucrat and an agency who's going and doing this this is an expressed policy coming from the Biden Administration in this example uh to go and Sil you use use big Tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who who who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced and obviously there we could talk all day about the Cozy relationship that many politicians have with big Pharma and it it you know it's not a surprise that they're going to act in favor of b