Lib Comes Armed With Charlie Kirk “Quotes”, Leaves A Little More Respectful!

[00:00] Thank you.

[00:00] >> Hi. How's it going?

[00:01] >> Hi. Um, this is my first time ever

[00:04] speaking, you know, about anything. So,

[00:06] I did write a little bit closer. I did

[00:09] write a little bit down to talk about

[00:11] and I really just want to talk about um

[00:13] Charlie Kirk and things like that.

[00:16] >> So, just give me time.

[00:17] >> Yeah, no worries. Um, for me personally

[00:20] as a black woman in America, I don't

[00:23] have really any empathy for him to be

[00:26] honest because of the things that he

[00:27] spoke about the the words that came out

[00:29] of his mouth, him saying, you know,

[00:32] hurtful and hateful things. I don't feel

[00:34] like me or anyone else here, if we don't

[00:37] have empathy for him, should be

[00:38] ridiculed ridiculed or, you know, talked

[00:42] about bad for not having empathy for

[00:44] him.

[00:45] >> Yeah. Yeah, I I can't force you to have

[00:47] empathy for Charlie. Um I have a lot of

[00:50] um you know, I mean, honestly, Charlie's

[00:51] death has devastated me and I know that

[00:53] it's devastated a lot of other people

[00:54] around me. Uh a lot of my I we actually

[00:58] have a friend who spoke to Charlie the

[01:00] night before he died. Uh we I mean we're

[01:02] just like it's just hard for us, right?

[01:04] So I but I can't force you to have

[01:06] empathy for Charlie. Um the only thing

[01:08] that I have an issue with like an active

[01:11] proactive issue with is when people

[01:13] celebrate his death because I don't

[01:14] think that anybody who's a peaceful

[01:16] person who was killed for their words

[01:17] should be uh murdered. Um can I ask you

[01:21] what hurtful and hateful things Charlie

[01:22] said?

[01:23] >> Okay. So him stating that it's okay for

[01:26] certain that gun deaths should happen to

[01:29] withhold the second amendment was wrong.

[01:31] Him saying that empathy was a madeup

[01:33] word. Him saying that the civil rights

[01:35] movement was a mistake. Even him talking

[01:37] about Junth and how that shouldn't be a

[01:39] holiday when it literally ended slavery

[01:41] and and is a way to, you know, like

[01:45] uplift people for moving on from slavery

[01:47] and things like that. The words that he

[01:49] spoke targeted black people, women,

[01:51] LGBTQ people, um, uh, immigrants. Um,

[01:56] him saying even that, uh, people born

[01:59] here in the United States from

[02:01] immigrants shouldn't shouldn't be

[02:02] allowed in the US is wrong as well. I

[02:05] also feel like,

[02:08] >> just to clarify it up,

[02:10] >> you don't could we could we hear that um

[02:12] list just one more time uh because I

[02:14] want to go through some of these. And by

[02:15] the way, there's at least one in there

[02:16] that I disagree with Charlie on and

[02:19] that's Junth. I think that Junth should

[02:21] be celebrated. I don't know what why why

[02:23] Charlie said this. I don't know the

[02:24] context around the quote, but I think if

[02:26] not for anything else, all Republicans

[02:28] should support Junth because guess who

[02:29] freed the slaves? Abraham Lincoln. He

[02:32] was a Republican. the first Republican

[02:35] and we shouldn't have slavery in the

[02:36] country. I don't know why that's not

[02:37] something that we should all agree on.

[02:39] But for the conservatives listening, uh

[02:41] Jun should be celebrated uh if not for

[02:43] anything other than if you don't care

[02:45] about slaves. Abraham Lincoln was a

[02:47] Republican and he did it. Slaves were

[02:49] freed in the north by 1804 though. That

[02:50] was 5 years before Lincoln.

[02:52] >> What What president made uh Junth a

[02:54] federal holiday?

[02:55] >> I'm not sure who it was.

[02:57] >> It was Trump.

[02:58] >> It was really it was Trump.

[02:58] >> It was Trump in 2019 or 2020, whichever

[03:01] one it was. Uh what were the other

[03:02] statements?

[03:03] >> Okay. Um he talked about Jeene. He

[03:07] talked about um he said that US like um

[03:12] people born from immigrants in the

[03:14] United States should not be

[03:16] >> Absolutely. I agree with that.

[03:18] >> So the the um I agree with this 100%. I

[03:20] I think that there should be a by the

[03:22] way almost the entire world had this

[03:24] doctrine. It's called just soil doctrine

[03:26] where this the child of a person as long

[03:29] as they're born on American soil is an

[03:31] American citizen.

[03:32] >> 2019

[03:33] >> there's only four countries in the world

[03:35] now that have this just soil doctrine.

[03:37] The United States is one of them. Uh

[03:38] this doctrine in the United States comes

[03:40] from the 14th amendment. The author of

[03:43] the 14th amendment. He was a senator and

[03:46] before he died in the late 1800s he

[03:49] talked about what he meant by this. And

[03:52] what he meant by this was that the

[03:54] children uh of diplomats,

[03:57] aliens, and foreigners would not be

[04:00] American citizens. You have to have one

[04:03] parent who is a uh citizen of the United

[04:06] States or possibly two parents who are

[04:08] permanent residents. You can't just hop

[04:10] the fence and come have a baby and then

[04:13] that baby is automatically an American

[04:14] citizen. They have no connection to the

[04:16] to the this country. They've done

[04:18] nothing to to earn it.

[04:20] >> They should be an American citizen. just

[04:21] because their parents have jumped the

[04:22] fence.

[04:24] >> Okay. What did you guys do to earn to be

[04:26] here?

[04:26] >> Uh I was born to two American citizens.

[04:29] >> Okay. So, what did they do to be born

[04:30] here? Like what what like

[04:32] >> they're foreigners and aliens. I'm not

[04:34] an alien or a foreigner and the author

[04:36] of the 14th amendment specifically said

[04:39] that the citizenship in the United

[04:41] States will not apply. By the way, this

[04:42] applies uh this is the same as the Civil

[04:44] Rights Act that came just before the

[04:46] 14th Amendment,

[04:47] >> which he also was a mistake by the Well,

[04:49] no. He was talking about the Civil

[04:50] Rights Act of 56. I don't know. I don't

[04:52] know Charlie's reasoning for this. I've

[04:54] heard arguments against the Civil Rights

[04:55] Act, not ones that um talk about like

[04:58] it's in a

[04:59] >> non He said it's the most radical

[05:01] position that he has. So, it's like

[05:03] majority of conservatives don't really

[05:04] agree with that. I don't know his

[05:06] argument either.

[05:07] >> I I know some like uh I think that the

[05:11] market should be able to decide who they

[05:13] get business to and who they don't get

[05:15] business to and not in the like you

[05:16] shouldn't be served at a restaurant.

[05:17] That's not what I'm saying. What I'm

[05:18] saying is that if somebody's racist and

[05:20] doesn't want you to eat at a restaurant,

[05:22] I want to know who the hell that person

[05:24] is so that I can not give them my

[05:26] business rather than forcing them to

[05:28] give people they hate business. Uh I I

[05:30] would rather know who they are so I can

[05:32] boycott them.

[05:33] >> Uh so but

[05:35] >> but for you to say that

[05:36] >> but and I'm not saying I support

[05:37] abolishing the Civil Rights Act, by the

[05:38] way.

[05:40] >> Okay. But for you to say that, oh um a

[05:42] person born from two immigrants doesn't

[05:45] deserve to be born here or have US

[05:46] citizenship because they didn't earn

[05:48] anything.

[05:49] >> Not not to two immigrants, two illegal

[05:51] immigrants. So I think in in most

[05:53] countries now that have abolished just

[05:54] soil doctrine, most of them uh allow

[05:57] people to become citizens if they're

[06:00] born to two permanent residents on the

[06:02] soil of the country. Uh those are

[06:04] immigrants, of course, permanent

[06:05] residents. They're not citizens. Um but

[06:07] I think that you need you're I don't

[06:09] know. I don't know how I feel about two

[06:10] permanent residents, but you need at

[06:11] least one parent that is an American

[06:13] citizen. That's for sure.

[06:21] >> Um, I just want to also add that I'm an

[06:24] immigrant. I came to the country

[06:25] legally. I don't think Charlie Kirk is

[06:27] against immigrants like myself. He's

[06:28] against people abusing our laws or

[06:30] violating our laws, which illegal

[06:32] immigrants tend to do. And then they

[06:34] come to our country and abused a

[06:36] loophole that allows them to have a kid

[06:37] in the country and now you have two

[06:39] illegal immigrants with a US citizen.

[06:41] >> And and by the way, this so so I just

[06:43] told you about how the author of the

[06:44] 14th Amendment specifically and very

[06:46] clearly outlined that this would not

[06:49] apply to foreigners, the children of

[06:51] diplomats or aliens. Um the decision,

[06:54] the Supreme Court decision that that

[06:56] caused this that we now just allow

[06:58] anybody to be an American citizen is uh

[07:00] Wong Kim Arc. Okay. And it was done

[07:03] roughly 15 years after the author of the

[07:06] 14th amendment died. They waited for him

[07:08] to die and then they totally desecrated

[07:10] the document that he wrote and ratified.

[07:12] >> Senator Howard. Senator Howard.

[07:15] >> Okay.

[07:16] >> 1863.

[07:17] >> He also said to bring back public

[07:19] executions.

[07:20] >> Um I don't know how everybody else

[07:22] feels, but I think the person who killed

[07:23] Charlie Kirk should be publicly

[07:24] executed. I I don't support the death

[07:26] penalty. I'm I'm exaggerating, of

[07:27] course, but I don't support the death

[07:29] penalty. Um, I I see how it could be

[07:32] useful. The only reason I don't support

[07:33] the death penalty,

[07:34] >> the reason I don't support the death

[07:35] penalty is not because um I don't see

[07:38] the utility in it or I don't think

[07:40] people should be killed for awful

[07:41] crimes. It's only because I have a hard

[07:43] time trusting the government. This is

[07:44] actually probably something a lot of you

[07:46] would agree with. Uh we have an

[07:47] exoneration rate that's far too high and

[07:49] that includes people who sit on death

[07:50] row and I don't trust the government to

[07:53] definitively be able to put somebody to

[07:56] death. I think that you always need to

[07:58] the exoneration process is a check and

[08:00] balance on the justice system and you

[08:02] get to sit in prison until you die and

[08:04] during that entire time between when you

[08:06] go to prison and when you die you are

[08:07] able to file appeals and get yourself

[08:09] out of prison if you're there wrongfully

[08:10] and then sue the government for wrongful

[08:11] imprisonment. So I don't support the

[08:13] death penalty but if we could for some

[08:15] reason 100%

[08:17] uh convict somebody like we know for

[08:19] like an omnisient fact that this person

[08:21] is 100% guilty of doing a school

[08:23] shooting or some other horrific crime.

[08:25] Uh I say televise it.

[08:27] >> Can can I just ask you are you against

[08:29] public executions?

[08:31] >> Yes.

[08:31] >> Okay. Even in the case we have this case

[08:34] that was inspired by racism, right? It

[08:36] was a white supremacist in northern New

[08:38] York. I believe it was Buffalo. He went

[08:42] >> Okay, there you go. He went into the

[08:44] grocery store, targeted black people,

[08:46] killed them because of their race. Nine

[08:48] of them, I believe it was. Do you

[08:50] believe this person should just fraud in

[08:51] jail or do you would you like to see

[08:53] this individual be put in public and

[08:55] executed?

[08:57] >> I feel like if we were going to do the

[08:59] death penalty that shouldn't be

[09:00] something that's public. It should just

[09:01] be done.

[09:03] >> Yeah. I mean, I think this is just like

[09:05] a preference of like, you know, what we

[09:08] I think this ends up being more of like

[09:10] a preference or like a debate of

[09:11] slippery slope or something like that. I

[09:13] think if you could 100% prove that

[09:15] somebody of like heinous crimes actually

[09:16] did it, like a school shooter or the

[09:18] Buffalo shooter for example, who had the

[09:19] n-word on his rifle and went and

[09:21] targeted black people, I think those

[09:22] people should be publicly executed. I

[09:23] say televise it. Um,

[09:26] >> so they stopped doing it.

[09:27] >> Say I was going to say something really

[09:28] prolific, but I forgot what it was.

[09:29] >> But I I just want to add like with the

[09:31] death penalty, I believe that regardless

[09:34] of how much due process you get, at some

[09:36] point if you

[09:37] >> Let me say this to y'all real quick.

[09:39] >> We're going to keep talking. We're

[09:40] engaged in civil debate here. do not

[09:43] need to be debated about. If y'all

[09:44] believe in something, stand for it. Walk

[09:46] away from this.

[09:47] >> Hey, give him a mic.

[09:48] >> Can you come up to the mic and discuss

[09:50] it?

[09:50] y'all.

[09:51] >> Okay. Okay. So, that's a good example of

[09:53] not liking public discourse. Right. At

[09:56] the end of the day, Kim and I may have a

[09:58] difference in opinion from you guys. But

[09:59] America is founded, literally founded on

[10:01] the idea that we can disagree publicly,

[10:04] peacefully and do so. And we want all of

[10:06] you to have a voice. That's why we're

[10:08] here. That's why we put a mic in front

[10:09] of you guys and give you the opportunity

[10:10] to come up here and and speak in front

[10:12] of a lot of people. There's a lot of

[10:13] people watching at home and I think it's

[10:15] important that everybody see these

[10:16] debates and um yeah, so I'm sorry you

[10:18] got cut off.

[10:19] >> It's fine. I also feel like a lot of

[10:21] people are now coming out to talk about

[10:22] how he died, but I don't see anyone

[10:24] talking about people in Gaza. I don't

[10:25] see anyone talking about the house be um

[10:29] the house Melissa

[10:31] >> Portman.

[10:32] >> Yes. And her husband who died which they

[10:34] died from a Trump supporter. Uh, I think

[10:37] David can talk about this a little bit

[10:38] more about how that person wasn't a

[10:39] Trump supporter. Um, but what I would

[10:41] say is like I right now unequivocally

[10:47] condemn the death of Melissa Hortman.

[10:49] And notice how this I think the sign

[10:50] actually does say RIP Charlie Charlie

[10:52] Kirk, but he's just the most recent one.

[10:54] Nobody should be killed for their

[10:55] opinions. That includes communist. It

[10:57] includes Nazis. Until you act on your

[10:58] opinions in a violent way, you shouldn't

[11:00] be harmed because of them. Um, and even

[11:03] then, you're not being caused because of

[11:04] your harmed because of your opinion.

[11:06] You're being harmed because you hurt

[11:07] somebody. Uh, furthermore, uh, just as a

[11:10] like notice for everybody. Uh,

[11:15] he's a Jew. I'm a Zionist. We love to

[11:18] talk about Israel. We talk about it

[11:19] probably too much. Um, it's not

[11:21] something that we're talking about on

[11:23] this tour. Not because we're afraid of

[11:25] talking about it or anything like that,

[11:26] but just because um, there's a lot of

[11:28] conspiracy theories that Charlie Kirk

[11:29] was killed by Israel. And it's really

[11:31] something that is divided. Um I think

[11:34] our side is Israel and we don't want to

[11:38] disrespect Charlie Kirk's legacy and his

[11:42] um life's work by dividing our people.

[11:46] So that's the only reason we're not

[11:47] going to talk about it is because we

[11:48] feel that it's disrespectful to Charlie

[11:50] Charlie's memory.

[11:51] >> Okay.

[11:51] >> We'll talk about we'll be talking about

[11:52] it eventually though.

[11:53] >> Also, what legacy do you think that he

[11:55] has? Uh his legacy I think was um

[11:58] encouraging people to have free speech,

[12:00] free dialogue, um showing people to be

[12:02] fearless in their opinions whether

[12:04] they're like me or they're like you. Um

[12:06] giving people like you a platform. Um

[12:08] giving people like me and David a

[12:10] platform. Um his mission was to free

[12:12] speech. More I guess more importantly to

[12:14] him his faith. I'm not religious. Uh but

[12:16] obviously Charlie's faith was very

[12:17] important to him and free speech as

[12:19] well. So I think that was his legacy.

[12:21] >> Okay. Yes. I've heard a lot about people

[12:23] saying that he was a Christian and

[12:24] things like that, but as far as I know,

[12:27] anything that he spoke about wasn't in

[12:29] the word of God or showing anything.

[12:33] >> He talked about his faith a lot. Um, I

[12:34] think it was probably the thing he

[12:36] talked about most actually. He tried not

[12:37] to talk about his faith when he was

[12:38] sitting at a table like this with me and

[12:40] you because I don't Are you religious?

[12:42] Okay. Okay. You are religious. Well, I a

[12:44] lot of people who hold your beliefs,

[12:46] secularism is obviously more common on

[12:48] the left. And so David and I if we were

[12:51] religious, right, um we're not going to

[12:54] make an argument at a non-religious

[12:55] person from a religious perspective

[12:57] because it's never going to matter to

[12:59] them. And so we try religious

[13:01] conservatives or religious anybody tries

[13:03] to argue their opinions on a secular

[13:05] basis so that people can um understand

[13:08] them and sort of realize that there's an

[13:12] argument outside of religion and so that

[13:14] you know because like you can't you

[13:16] can't you can't you can't basically like

[13:17] compare apples to oranges right if he's

[13:19] not a he's not a Christian and I'm a

[13:20] Christian I can't argue Christianity to

[13:22] him because he doesn't care he's not a

[13:23] Christian and so I think that's why you

[13:24] didn't hear Charlie on college campuses

[13:26] talking about faith a lot but he talked

[13:27] about it a lot on his on his podcast and

[13:30] he he would stand in front of his

[13:32] supporters. Uh let's say you guys are

[13:33] all Trump supporters. We've got the

[13:34] opposite that Charlie had. Um he would

[13:37] stand in front of his supporters and

[13:38] say, "Do not harass the people that come

[13:41] up to speak to me. Show them the respect

[13:43] that we're not shown on these campuses.

[13:45] They're children of God. They're God's

[13:46] creations and treat them as such." Uh

[13:48] and there's he's said this. I don't I

[13:50] don't I don't every time, but like

[13:52] >> Well, no. Every time any every time

[13:54] anybody would start booing in the crowd,

[13:55] right, like Trump supporters would he

[13:58] would step right in and say, "We don't

[13:59] boo people. We don't do this." Why?

[14:01] Because it's a place where they booed

[14:03] him and no, he did not say anything.

[14:05] They said that's a freedom of speech. He

[14:07] was they were booing someone that was

[14:09] speaking and he did not do anything.

[14:11] >> Well, I'm I'm sure that it's obviously

[14:13] difficult to control people. We had that

[14:14] issue yesterday. He remembers. Um, so I

[14:17] like I I I think it would be difficult

[14:19] for Charlie to every single time

[14:21] somebody booze like step in. But he did

[14:23] literally before before he would

[14:24] actually start his programming, he would

[14:26] like rally everyone around his tent and

[14:27] say, "Do not disrespect these people. Be

[14:30] nice to them. Treat them with respect.

[14:31] Show them the respect we don't receive.

[14:32] They're God's creations. Treat them as

[14:34] such. Love them even though they

[14:35] disagree with you."

[14:37] >> Yeah.

[14:40] >> We appreciate you having this

[14:41] conversation with us. Very, very simple.

[14:43] That's all we're looking for at the end

[14:45] of the day because uh that way we can

[14:47] speak, you can speak. We're tolerant of

[14:49] your position. Same here. You may not

[14:50] agree with it, but we appreciate it. We

[14:53] appreciate everyone being here as well.

[14:55] Um

[14:55] >> especially the people who disagree with

[14:57] us.

[14:58] >> Especially the people who disagree with

[14:59] us.

[15:00] >> Okay. Um just one more thing. As far as

[15:02] I'm concerned, I do have empathy for his

[15:06] children, but other than that, I really

[15:08] don't. I feel like the things that he

[15:10] spoke about and the things that he said

[15:11] didn't align with what I believe in at

[15:15] all and that him saying that, you know,

[15:18] death by guns is okay to withhold the

[15:21] Second Amendment is basically what

[15:22] happened to him. And I believe the power

[15:23] of your tongue is very strong and it's

[15:28] sad for his children, but other than

[15:29] that,

[15:30] >> I don't have I respect you for having

[15:31] empathy for his children. And again, I

[15:33] can't force you to have empathy for

[15:34] Charlie himself. Um, but what I would

[15:37] say is I I would I would probably wager

[15:40] that you and I disagree on almost

[15:41] everything

[15:43] >> because the hats that you guys are

[15:44] wearing.

[15:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, but but if you got shot

[15:46] and killed right now, I would have

[15:47] empathy for you and I would feel bad for

[15:48] you.

[15:49] >> I would think that Charlie

[15:50] >> I don't think that he would at all.

[15:53] >> Even even the people that are

[15:54] celebrating Even the people that are

[15:56] celebrating his death, I I can't speak

[15:58] for it because he's obviously not here,

[15:59] but from what I've seen, what do you

[16:02] think he would do with them? I I I mean

[16:05] I think that he would immediately

[16:06] condemn it and say that you should never

[16:07] kill God's creation. That's what I would

[16:09] imagine he would say again for their

[16:11] death or or something.

[16:12] >> No. Charlie actively advocated against

[16:14] political violence all the time. And I

[16:16] think that um again we're not Charlie.

[16:18] We can't

[16:20] >> we don't know,

[16:20] >> you know, we can't we can't get in touch

[16:22] with him. So like we can't speak for

[16:25] him, but we can make guesses based on

[16:27] what we've seen from him and of his

[16:28] character of how we think he would

[16:30] respond.

[16:32] But I mean neither neither of us can

[16:34] neither of us can really prove how he

[16:35] would react. So it's not like you know I

[16:38] don't know that you know we just have to

[16:40] agree to disagree.

[16:41] >> Yeah. All right. It was nice meeting

[16:42] you.

[16:43] >> Yeah. I appreciate you coming up.

[16:44] >> Thank you so much.