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Russell Brand Surrendered to Christ After Hollywood Hedonism, False Allegations, and Cultural Collapse

August 7, 2025

Russell Brand shares his remarkable transformation from Hollywood excess and self-worship to discovering true freedom in Jesus Christ. After years pursuing Buddhism, Sufism, and self-actualization, Brand explains how personal crisis, the birth of his son, and false allegations forced him to confront the emptiness of his former lifestyle. Speaking candidly about his past promiscuity, his targeting by UK government agencies during COVID, and the cultural forces that want people "sick, ill, and weak," Brand reveals why surrendering to Christ was the most liberating act of rebellion he's ever experienced. He discusses carrying his Bible everywhere, wrestling with scripture, and finding that every truth he sought in Eastern religions was already present in Jesus.

From Self-Worship to Surrendering at the Cross

Russell Brand opened up about his dramatic conversion to Christianity, explaining how his entire former life was built on false idolatry centered on self. "We have no choice but to worship something," Brand explained. "My devoutness and devotion was effortlessly directed by the culture and by my conditions toward worship and reverence of the individual, which I see as being the nexus of false idolatry."

Brand described how he once believed his Hollywood success story was one of personal excellence and achievement, rising from modest beginnings to marry Katy Perry and walk red carpets worldwide. But his perspective shifted when studying Yuval Noah Harari's work on Sapiens, which he came to see as "an atheistic trope geared toward directing people towards surrender and subjugation towards AI false idols."

"I thought, I wonder if you were that. I wonder if there was something about your success, Russell, that was telling the culture a story that they wanted to hear," Brand reflected. "My personal hedonism and my sense of myself as self-actualizing through excess, that's a story the culture likes to tell itself. So really you were just a useful vessel or expression of a particular set of cultural ideas."

Crisis, Collapse, and the Clarity of Christ

Brand came to Christ through what he describes as "a variety of collapses" in both his private and public life. The birth of his son brought a family crisis when they were told the baby might be born dead and were offered late-term abortion. His son survived and required surgery at 12 weeks old, but is now "glorious and incredible."

Simultaneously, Brand faced false allegations of sexual misconduct that forced him to confront his former lifestyle. "It gave me great pause for reflection on the way that I'd lived for a lot of time and the impact of that lifestyle," he said. "In the midst of all that confusion, the clarity of Christ came in a way that's still difficult to describe."

A turning point came while reading about the meeting between Paul and Peter in Acts and Galatians. "I thought in that encounter between Paul and Peter, you've got someone who knew Christ while alive and met the resurrected Christ, as well as Paul who has this profound incredible vision encounter with him. And I had that kind of visceral wave of the reality and truth of the historical Christ, not just the mythic Christ that we need to use as an inner constellation for personal guidance, but oh my god, it actually happened."

Why Christianity Over Buddhism and Eastern Religions

Brand had experimented extensively with Buddhism, Sufism, Hinduism, and various philosophical systems before finding Christ. He admitted he was initially repulsed by Christianity precisely because it seemed too accessible and common. "I felt like this is the religion of any ordinary American or my grandmother. I must have something a little more esoteric, a little rarer, a little more hardcore gnostic, a little less conformist."

But after exploring those alternatives, he discovered a critical flaw: "Although there were many, many truths discovered in those texts, at the center of those truths, there I was still trapped in self."

The breakthrough came when he stopped trying to be Jesus and instead surrendered to him. "I wanted to be Jesus. I wanted to be the center, the son of God, the apex. Yet I can't do miracles. I'm not willing to be crucified. Now since surrendering to him, accepting him, bowing at the foot of his cross on my knees, shoulder-to-shoulder with any one of you that accepts Jesus alongside me, I feel relieved. I feel unburdened. I feel empowered."

When the Dalai Lama gave his 90th birthday speech, Brand read through it and realized, "Most of his significant points about Buddhism, I could even with just a year in scripture match with something from the gospel. Every aspect was like this is all in Christ. This is all available to us in Jesus. There is no need for anything other than Jesus Christ."

COVID Dissent and Government Targeting

Brand became a prominent voice questioning the COVID narrative, discussing topics like Pfizer's lack of clinical trials, Moderna's relationship with government, the likelihood of lab origins for coronavirus, and Anthony Fauci's deception. His YouTube channel rapidly garnered millions of followers as he reported on material from journalists like Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger.

"The unspoken narrative of COVID is this: Life is so sacred and each of us so precious. Therefore, if there's a virus that's a threat to anybody, we must all be locked in our homes, wear masks, obey these edicts, and take these vaccines. If you don't, you are lacking in compassion," Brand explained. "The entire premise is erroneous. Because where else do we see our culture behaving as if life is sacred? Don't they mock those very values? Don't they mock our savior? Don't they mock our church?"

Brand revealed he's been under observation from organizations like Logically AI and Crisp, which often work with government agencies. "What seems to have taken place is I provided a lot of raw material by living like an imbecile for a long while," he acknowledged, referring to his promiscuous past. "There's in my view a world of difference between selfish sexual conduct and forcing people to do things against their will, which is a very clear and atrocious crime."

He believes the attacks on him were timed with his effectiveness during COVID: "Due to the popularity of much of the broadcasting taking place at that time, which happened organically as you could exist outside of centralized media and garner a following of millions, we were talking every day about things the establishment didn't want discussed."

Cultural False Idols and the Attack on Categories

Brand warned about contemporary forms of idolatry that trap people in self-centered bewilderment. "The culture wants us in a state of self-centered bewilderment. When you're in that state you're very easy to manage and manipulate," he said.

He identified personal identity as the primary false altar: "The culture gives you that offering. It's appealing that your personal identity can be the altar of false idolatry, your sexuality, your race or your gender. All of those things are glorious creations of our Lord. But when you make them the focus of your spiritual attention, of your devotion, they can't hold it."

Brand pointed to scripture's practical wisdom: "I look at the instructions in scripture now, not just as edicts to be obeyed, but simply as suggestions that if you follow them, you will have a better time. If you turn sex into a type of God, you're in for a rough ride. If you turn your personal identity into a kind of God, you're living in an illusion."

He referenced Aleister Crowley's Satanic maxim "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" as emblematic of consumer culture. "Consumerism and commerce benefit if people want to fulfill their desires all the time. Every single purchase is undergirded either by necessitation or desire."

Brand also noted an attack on empowering categories themselves: "There is an attack on all categories that empower people, whether that's the category of woman or the category of man. These are empowering and holy roles that we might play. Since living in Florida, I note there's an attack on excellence, on expertise, on competence and capability. They don't want men and women that are awakened and armed and capable of taking care of themselves."

The Church That Excites Him

During a recent visit to Rome, Brand encountered three Caravaggio paintings depicting St. Matthew. The first shows Matthew's appointment from among tax collectors and ne'er-do-wells. The second shows Matthew with Gabriel writing his gospel. The third depicts Matthew being flayed alive for his faith.

"If we believed as he believed, how could it be that you could have an institution like the Vatican and not have a revolution?" Brand asked. "If we believed as he believed, how could you have us going to church every Sunday praying, teaching our kids, reading the word and not have the revolution or at least the way made straight for the return of our savior? If we believed only as Paul believed, as Peter believed, as Barnabas believed, as Mary believed, as Stephen believed, this is the church that excites and interests me."

Submission and True Freedom

Brand admitted that surrendering to Christ was difficult for someone who "doesn't like being told what to do." In fact, he didn't take the COVID vaccine primarily because he was being ordered to. "If they'd wanted me to take that vaccine, all they would have had to have done is leave a couple of syringes in my bedroom and tell me under no circumstances do not touch that. I have taken 20 or 30 vaccines."

Yet this anti-authoritarian personality made his submission to Christ even more profound. "I didn't want to submit to Christ. I didn't want to surrender to Christ. And if I'm entirely honest, there are some days still where I don't want to bow down in total submission and surrender and recognize that my self-will is my biggest obstacle."

But he's discovered that true freedom comes through this very surrender: "I've never been so free in obedience and surrender to him. There is perfect freedom. There is no freedom out there. There's no freedom in hedonism, in epicureanism, in the constant devouring of concupiscence and endless pleasures. There's no freedom there. It's an illusion."

Brand emphasized that freedom cannot exist without virtue, and that the appetite for more freedom currently growing in America must be accompanied by a return to God. "Freedom cannot exist without virtue. Freedom will come after, and it's happening right now, people go to church and give their life to God. You cannot have a free society if you do not have a society that values God. That's why continental Europe is so unfree. It's secular."

Living as a Temple and Burning Bush

Brand was struck by 1 Corinthians' teaching about the body as a temple: "Do you not know that your body is a temple? It has that prefix, do you not know? Like you wouldn't be doing this if you knew that your body was a temple. I lived like someone who didn't know that their body was a temple, a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit, a place for the Lord to inhabit."

He also shared wisdom from a Vietnam veteran he met in America: "Everything's a burning bush. Moses could have encountered Yahweh at any time. It could have happened at any time. Take off your shoes for you are on sacred ground. All things are incandescent with the Lord yet not immolated. All of us burn with the holy light of the Holy Father. All of us feel the living presence of the Holy Spirit. And all of us benefit from the sacrifice of Christ Jesus and we may know eternal life in him."

Confronting Past Sin and Satanic Attack

Brand acknowledged his past wrongdoing while distinguishing between what he actually did and what he's falsely accused of. "I recognize that my objectification and exploitation was wrong. And I accept the forgiveness of my Lord and I pray for the forgiveness of people that have been negatively impacted by my selfish conduct, by my greedy conduct, by my low conduct. But I am attacked for things that I have not done."

He understands the spiritual dimension of these attacks: "Satan throughout the scriptures would constantly whisper about you need to be held back by what you once did, but Christ sets you free."

Brand still bears visible reminders of his pre-Christian life, including a tattoo of Durga, a Hindu goddess. He explained he got it to commemorate the power of his wife Laura and daughters Mabel and Peggy. "Of course, there is no God but him, and I surrender and bow down to Christ Jesus and I disavow all false idols. But the false idols that concern me most are not those that emerge out of Hinduism or even Islam. It is the false idols that emerge from our culture, the ones that the graven images that we stare at day after day, hour after hour, the endless effluvia and limitless flow of filth and pornography that denigrates and lowers us all."

Staying Close to Christ

Brand carries a one-year Bible with him everywhere and reads it daily. He was transitioning from Acts into Romans at the time of this conversation, which he noted was appropriate since Romans is "the Christian constitution."

"I have to stay very close to Christ Jesus. And to do that, I need Christians everywhere around me. And perhaps that's what fuels my evangelism," he explained.

He closed with a vision for mutual Christian support: "Let this moment be a burning bush to all of us. Let us comfort one another. Let us love one another. Let us serve one another as he has served us."

Brand's show "Stay Free" continues on Rumble, where he explores faith, freedom, and resistance to cultural narratives that seek to keep people "deadened and distracted." His final message echoed 2 Corinthians 3:17: "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

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[00:00] [Applause] Okay, everyone. Let's get right to it. Joining us is a new friend and honestly

[00:07] a great person and amazing Christian. A new Christian. You probably know him

[00:13] from a lot of different stuff. Give it up for Russell Brand, everybody.

[00:32] Hello Russell. Great to see you. I'm so

[00:37] grateful to be here. Before we start, I'm not Gary the Guantanamo. Charlie, you've been avoiding me from

[00:43] debating. No, you can do this with love. Wait, this is important. It's the

[00:49] Guantanamo Gator. Charlie, I want to follow up on some of the Guantanamo Gator questions. Why do

[00:56] we have No, keep talking. This is good. And why don't you debate? He's perfectly

[01:01] reasonable. Debate him now. Why do you keep a Cuz that's quite good. Do you see

[01:10] he now Charlie now can I talk to you about some of your booking ideas? And I

[01:17] will say no one told me about the Guantanamo Gator. I was not warned. And

[01:23] you know, sometimes you see those videos of Flidians getting them into a trash can with wheels. I should like to see

[01:29] that take place with that gentleman. He was so he honestly like he's just so

[01:36] reasonable. We should have kept the conversation going. Um Russell, great to see you. Thanks for being here. It's so lovely to see you.

[01:43] So, I have so much to talk about here. Are you carrying around a Bible? That's my Bible in one year from my

[01:50] daily readings. And I thought it was very appetite that today we've transitioned out of Acts and into Romans

[01:57] 1 because on our previous conversation which was in Milwaukee at the RNC you said to me that Romans is the Christian

[02:04] constitution. This is from my friend J. John. I like it. It's old and new testament but it's very easy to carry

[02:09] around and read. These are just some of my notes in preparation for the interview. Note one ensure Guantanamo

[02:16] Gator present in front row. This will distract Charlie. No, there's just like

[02:22] lots of actually notes about Rome itself and Caravajio and stuff like that. So, yeah, I carry two Bibles which I reckon

[02:28] recognize is quite cumbersome, but I've not been Christian very long. So, what do you expect? And so, Russell, you you have a

[02:33] phenomenal story and and thank you for taking time to to travel to this conference. It's it's terrific.

[02:39] Thanks for paying me to come. Yeah. No, absolutely. Um, thank you for gladly accepting. So,

[02:46] you were in public eye. you still are in a non-Christian lifestyle. Is that fair

[02:53] to say? Almost anti-Christian in some ways. Walk us through the journey as you're

[02:58] comfortable sharing from that lifestyle to now giving your life to Jesus Christ. Well, you know, in a sense, we have no

[03:06] choice but to worship something. And my devoutness and devotion was effortlessly

[03:12] directed by the culture and by my conditions. I mean familial and psychological as well as social towards

[03:19] worship and reverence of the individual which I see as being the nexus of false

[03:25] idolatry really as long as you're trapped in self worshiping yourself aspects of yourself self arandrisement

[03:32] pursuit of personal glory you're very easily contained by the culture in a

[03:37] sense I've started to recognize that the culture wants us in a state of self-centered bewilderment when you're in that state you're very easy to manage

[03:43] and manipulate I really thought that I was autonomous and had a great deal of personal authority. In fact, I would have believed in the kind of rags to

[03:49] riches idea that I bought come from a pretty modest background and through success and endeavor and hard work and

[03:56] through personal excellence and ability and charm, moxy, call it what you will, I fought against the odds to become a

[04:02] Hollywood star and marry uh Katy Perry and be on red carpets all over the

[04:07] place. For a brief while I lived with the Guantanamo Gator. It was a complicated era.

[04:13] Um, that's how I would have characterized it, Charlie, as a story. I missed that one. Yeah. No, I kept it quiet. I was embarrassed. I like I I would have

[04:19] characterized it as a sort of a story of personal success. Um, and I didn't, this is how I came to realize this. I was

[04:26] looking at the work of Uval Noah Harrari, the writer of Sapiens, uh, which I s foundly enjoyable till it

[04:32] became clear to me it was an atheistic trope that was geared towards directing people towards surrender and subjugation

[04:38] towards AI false idols. That's what it was. It was, wasn't it? And I thought, oh, the reason this guy is such a pos a

[04:45] popular and accredited intellectual is because his message and agenda fits very neatly into the agenda of powerful

[04:51] elites who determine which cultural artifacts get celebrated and popularized. I didn't realize that at

[04:58] first and then I thought, I wonder if you were that. I wonder if there was something about your success, Russell,

[05:03] that was telling the culture a story that they wanted to hear. And then I thought about it for a while because it is after all my favorite subject, me.

[05:10] And while I was thinking about that for oh yeah it was my personal hedonism and

[05:15] my sense of myself as um self-actualizing through excess that's a

[05:21] story the culture likes to tell itself. So really you were just a useful sort of vessel or an or expression of a

[05:28] particular set of cultural ideas. I came to Christ the way that some people do who don't have the benefit of

[05:34] Christianity in early life, although it happened obviously at the perfect time through a variety of collapses in my

[05:41] private and public life. Sort of a personal difficulty with the birth of my son who's sort of beautiful and

[05:47] incredible and doing very doing doing very well. It certainly was a crisis in our family for a minute and through

[05:52] false allegations of sexual misconduct which gave me great pause for reflection

[05:58] on the way that I'd lived for a lot of time and the impact of that lifestyle. And I suppose in the midst of all that

[06:05] confusion, the clarity of Christ came in a way that's sort of still difficult to describe. But most recently, I felt Charlie when reading I was looking at

[06:12] Acts and it talked about the meeting of Paul and Peter. So I went and check it in Galatians, the same encounter. And I

[06:18] thought in that encounter between Paul and Peter, you've got someone who knew Christ while alive and met the

[06:24] resurrected Christ as well as Paul who has this profound incredible vision

[06:29] recounter with him. And I thought and I had that kind of visceral wave of the reality and truth of the historical

[06:35] Christ, not just the mythic Christ that we need to use as a sort of an inner constellation for personal guidance, but

[06:40] oh my god, it actually happened. It actually happened. And when I feel that, it brings me out of the humrum. It

[06:46] brings me out of the sensual and it puts me in the supernatural where I believe we must to some degree live in the

[06:52] world, not of it. Yes. And so I'm sure you tried Buddhism or you did you experiment with Eastern

[06:58] stuff? What made Christianity different? The reason I was repulsed by Christianity initially was because I

[07:04] felt like this is the religion of like you know like any ordinary American or my grandmother or my wife is accessible

[07:12] to everyone. I must have something a little more esoteric a little rarer a little more hardcore gnostic

[07:18] a little more gnostic and a little less conformist. I felt that, you know, Christianity and maybe instit there's an argument that could be uh had about

[07:24] whether institutional Christianity is used as a kind of panacea to prevent

[07:29] people being the radical revolutionaries that I believe our Lord would have us be. and and and I I when I like with

[07:37] things like Buddhism and Sufism, not them claiming to have had a deep understanding of these faiths, just an

[07:42] autodidactic perusal of the books of Sufiism and Hinduism and Buddhism and

[07:48] philosophy. Although there were many, many truths that were discovered in them texts, at the center of those truths,

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[08:24] [Music] When I surrendered kind of voluntarily

[08:31] yet exhausted to the man Christ, the flesh Christ, I realized ah I wanted to

[08:36] be Jesus. I wanted to be the center, the son of God, the apex

[08:42] that yet I can't do miracles. I'm not willing to be crucified. Now since surrendering to him, accepting

[08:49] him, bowing at the foot of his cross on my knees, shoulderto-shoulder with any one of you that accepts Jesus alongside

[08:56] me, I feel relieved. I feel unburdened. I feel empowered. And I realized that the person that I used to be was not an

[09:02] error or a mistake, but part of the unfolding way as the early Christians

[09:07] called it. And I find it interesting that a lot of these ideas that I investigated, dear Charlie, like Dowoism, say have embedded in them even

[09:15] semantically notions that can be discovered in Christianity. And when his holiness the Dalai Lama gave his recent

[09:21] 90th birthday speech, as I sort of read at least, you know, he posted on social media, I read through that Charlie and I

[09:27] noted that most of his significant points about Buddhism, I could even with just a year in scripture match with

[09:35] something from the gospel. Every aspect was like this is all in Christ. This is all available to us in Jesus. There is

[09:42] no need for anything other than Jesus Christ. There is no need for anything but Jesus. And Russell, it's

[09:50] Would you like a throat loser? Well, I'm fascinated by them, Charlie. I'm fascinated. What are you staring at? Would you want one? It's not I want one. I just want to know

[09:57] the story of them. I lose my voice at these events cuz I speak 14 hours a day. So,

[10:02] you fight it off with lozenes. Well, no. The lozenes lubricate the throat to prevent you. Yeah.

[10:08] That's the sort of Don't let man find out about it. It's very maha. For the record, I like it.

[10:14] I have to have a hundred a thousand. Lemon eucalyptus. It's good stuff, man. I'm addicted. I'm

[10:21] going to grind it up and inject it in my arm. Don't do drugs, kids.

[10:28] We're told all religions are the same. Yes.

[10:33] You really like it or not? It's actually amazing. It's delicious. It's tasty, right,

[10:39] Charlie? No wonder you can speak for 14 hours. No wonder you can get Gavin Gruesome Newsome to admit that there are

[10:46] different genders. You're powered by lozenes. That's right.

[10:55] He's the only one ever to mention the lozenes. No one else has ever met. I would expect expect nothing less.

[11:02] So not all religions are the same. That's by thought. Do what what do you what you what you saying? Oh yeah. All we're told all religions

[11:08] are the same. What is the differentiator that you want the rest of the world to

[11:15] know about Jesus, Christ, about

[11:21] self? You mentioned, I mean, for example, Buddhism, correct me if I'm wrong, Russell, is a very self-centric

[11:26] religion. Yeah, it is. I mean, like is this is

[11:32] Sorry. Some, you know, sometimes when you're a professional comedian, you realize that you do things that are funny that you where you're not trying

[11:37] to be funny. This is one of them. I'm not even actually trying to be funny. For me, it seems normal that you would take the lozenge in and out like a

[11:43] cigarette. Well, Charlie,

[11:49] your father and I, we used to loge together at Harvard.

[11:55] George Bush and I were in the Skull and Bones Club. We would loge together at

[12:01] Bohemian Grove. Then who's that under the privet? It's Alex Jones.

[12:08] After my microbes was Jones, after my microbes was he. No, I mean, yeah, like

[12:14] Buddhism is self Buddhism is self-centered. If you like the I reckon the reason the thing that I resisted

[12:20] about Jesus was the very thing that I needed to yield and surrender to. I didn't like I was messianically

[12:27] infatuated with myself as the kind of center of the world. And the culture also gives you that offering. It's

[12:33] appealing that your personal identity can be the altar of false idolatry, i.e.

[12:39] your sexuality, your race or your gender. All of those things are in are glorious creations of our Lord. But when

[12:46] you make them the focus of your spiritual attention, of your devotion, they can't hold it. I look at the

[12:54] instructions in scripture now, not just as edicts to be obeyed, but simply as suggestions that if you follow them, you

[13:01] will have a better time. If you turn sex into a type of God, you're going to you're in for a rough ride. If you turn

[13:06] your personal identity into a kind of God, you're living in an illusion. Die on the cross with him. The conversation

[13:12] I referred to between Paul and Peter as rendered in Galatians leads to Paul saying, "I lived by a certain law and I

[13:19] live by a certain law." The the idea of self, the idea that do as well indeed one of the edicts of Satanism as

[13:25] espoused by Alistister Crowley is do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. that what you want to do is God, that

[13:32] your own desires are God. That that by uh truncating, curtailing and ceasing of

[13:38] your desires, you're somehow being not true to yourself, that you should be who you are. Now, consumerism and commerce

[13:44] benefit if people want to fulfill their desires all the time. Every single purchase is undergooded either by necessitation nor desire. But what I

[13:52] have been shown by our lord is that the perennial ideas of order suxley that all religions are the same or the the

[13:59] cambellian ideas of the heroes with a thousand mask or Jung's ideas about archetypes are not untrue. There are

[14:05] truths presenting themselves again and again through culture. But there is I

[14:10] believe for some of us maybe not for everyone who would how am I after like 14 months of Christianity to tell

[14:16] everyone that they have to do immediately what I couldn't do 15 months ago. But it seems to me that the way of

[14:22] the cross, the way of the son, the father, and the holy spirit is a way of bypassing and navigating your way

[14:28] through the terrible trenches of bewilderment strewn by a culture that wants you ignorant, bewildered, and

[14:34] delirious. You need only glance at the Parisian Olympics to be aware that what they want to do is surpass and supplant

[14:39] the values of Christ with the values of a culture that want you sick, ill, and weak. There is an attack on all

[14:45] categories that empower people. Whether that's the category of woman or the category of man. These are empowering

[14:50] and holy roles that we might play. I note since living in Florida that there's an attack on excellence, on

[14:57] expertise, on competence and capability. They don't want men and women that are awakened and armed and capable of taking

[15:03] care of themselves. They want us all like hopeless blobs and parasites hooked onto their system of ignorance that

[15:08] tells you there is no god and then tells you that it is the very god that it denies the existence of. Omniscient,

[15:14] omnipresent, omnipotent, wanting complete control through surveillance and data capture and observation and

[15:20] ultimately wants you to submit to its false idols at its false idols. M lozenge.

[15:28] Imagine that was all a campaign. Oh yeah. Yeah. Imagine that whole thing Charlie was just an elaborate advert for

[15:35] this brand of lozenge. You know how like Tucker does those ze the zins or whatever.

[15:41] He's got his own one now. It's called ALP. So, uh, so, so, Russell, all kidding aside, when are you going to start a

[15:47] church? Are you are you going to start a are you going to try to start a ministry? I mean, the UK could could use

[15:53] firstly a revival. I'm really trying to surrender to whatever he wants. You know, I've always been I've been talking my whole life, so

[15:59] like it would be immodest false modesty for me to say, "Oh, really, Charlie?" You know, I'm aware. I hear myself talking but when I'm not sucking on a

[16:06] sweet sweet lozenge of the Lord like but um I do want to participate in

[16:11] his ministry and mission but because I have a tendency to appoint myself and anoint myself in certain roles I want to

[16:18] be sure that it's the path he would have me walk and I have pretty serious uh challenges to surmount in the UK when it

[16:24] comes to my personal the entire government is going after Russell I hope you guys know that and

[16:30] it's exhausting yes But so Russell, how has that played into your walk with Jesus? Is it fair to

[16:36] say, and I'll just I mean I don't mean to be offensive or provocative, but that you were like brought to Christ because

[16:44] things started to go rather negative, like you were like things started to fall apart and you realized that you had

[16:51] to surrender in front of the cross. Yeah, that's a sort of a pretty simple way of putting it, Charlie. Yeah,

[16:57] thank you. Good. Um, but so you're you're under attack from the UK

[17:02] government on I think completely fake stuff. And that's what by the way that's what they do. Russell, they're going

[17:08] after Russell because he was so effective and vocal during CO and he was against the entire COVID narrative,

[17:15] right? You were against lockdowns and you were against all that stuff and your lawfare started simultaneously with all

[17:21] that. Is that correct? I was so it was so no it was a little later but I knew that I was it's been revealed that I was under observation from groups like

[17:27] logically AI and crisp who are sort of online organizations that often work with either government agencies or

[17:33] government carveouts. You're aware of things like the Atlantic group and various organizations that were funded

[17:39] by USAD or other CIA carveout organizations. What seems to have taken

[17:44] place is I provided a lot of raw material by living like an imbecile for a long long while in a way that is not

[17:51] in at all in accordance with the way that I've lived as a married man for the last eight years, nine years, 10 years. God, that's not going to look good for

[17:57] my wife. Hold on, let me do some quick maths. Carried the one. When was that baby? Oh no, out of wedlock. Sorry,

[18:04] Lord. Eight years. But with a n with my daughter will be nine at her next birthday. Um it like I've while I was

[18:11] single and young I live very promiscuously promiscuously and when you live like that I can see that it causes

[18:18] harm to be selfish in your sexual conduct is essentially exploitative but

[18:23] there's in my view a world of difference between that and forcing people to do things against their will that is a very

[18:29] very clear and atrocious crime what I believe happened is that due to the

[18:35] popularity of much of the broadcasting that was taking place at that part time which happened sort of really organically and almost Charlie Kirk as a

[18:41] quirk of the uh technological advancements of that time like you could exist outside of centralized media and

[18:48] just as I was doing on YouTube quickly garner a following of millions we were talking every day about FISA's lack of

[18:54] clinical trials Madna's relationship with the government the likelihood that the COVID vaccine excuse me co virus

[19:00] originated in a laboratory there's peculiar funding relationships between DARPA and co Anthony Fouch's deception

[19:06] his peculiar visits with the CIA his relationships with Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook. All sorts of stuff that was

[19:11] available and Charlie would have been reporting on the same stuff and certainly Joe Rogan was. I was talking about those kind of things using a

[19:16] variety of articles from people like Matt Taibbe and Michael Shelonburgger bringing together sort of narratives. But I think hopefully we were able to

[19:23] speak about it in a manner that was sort of funny. Also, I hope that was observing the the unspoken narrative of

[19:29] COVID is this. Check it out. Life is so sacred and each of us so precious, the

[19:35] most vulnerable. No matter who you are or where you're from, life is a sacred gift from God. Therefore, if there's a

[19:41] virus that's a threat to anybody, we must all be locked in our homes. We must all wear masks. We must all obey these

[19:47] edicts. And if necessary, you must take these vaccines. And if you don't, you are lacking in compassion. You don't

[19:52] care about others. The entire premise is erroneous. Because where else do we see our culture behaving as if life is

[19:58] sacred? As if we must sacrifice ourselves for one another? Indeed, don't they mock those very values? Don't they

[20:04] mock our savior? Don't they mock our church? Don't they laugh at the idea that there's something more valuable

[20:09] than the fulfillment of self and the adornment of self? Anyway, so during co I talked about it a lot. I was pretty

[20:16] loquacious and pretty non-stop about it. The videos were doing well. I was enjoying it. And I'm a kind of a

[20:21] naturally anti-establishment person, I suppose. I didn't take the vaccine because I don't like being told what to

[20:27] do. I didn't take it because they were telling me. In fact, if they've wanted me to take that vaccine, all they would

[20:33] have had to have done is leave a couple of syringes in my bedroom and tell me under no circumstances.

[20:40] Do not touch that no matter what. Doesn't matter who coughs or however quietly in whichever grocery store.

[20:46] Don't take those. Oh, what? You've already taken them, sir. I have taken 20 or 30 vaccines. I don't like being told

[20:52] what to do. In this way, I'm a closer to the native mentality of the people of your nation than my own because over in

[20:57] the UK, people seem to have happily tumbled into obedient in the UK. Unbelievable obedience. I saw some of

[21:03] your appearances there on GB News and your debates there and I thought you conducted yourself marvelously as

[21:08] always. But I am like you concerned about what's happening in the United Kingdom and however you want to carve

[21:14] that up from the left or from the right from a materialist, rationalistic, atheistic or Christian perspective is a

[21:20] country that is in very real danger of falling. It is. And so so Russell, you brought

[21:25] something and I want to isolate it. You said you don't like being told what to do. That makes it even more incredible

[21:30] that you submitted to Jesus Christ and submitted to scripture. Yeah. Yeah.

[21:36] Because that that that it's that that on the that's a surface contradiction. So yes, walk us through that. Well, I think that might have been one

[21:42] of the initial obstacles because there's this sort of in pantheonism and paganism there's this arrandisement or acceptance

[21:48] and celebration of what you might call the humors or the inner deities, your warlike aspect, your the Aphroditi

[21:54] aspect, your sensuality. All of these things can be revered. And I didn't want to submit to Christ. I didn't want to

[22:01] surrender to Christ. And if I'm entirely honest, Charlie, there are some days still where I don't want to bow down in total submission and surrender and

[22:07] recognize that my self-will is my biggest obstacle. That's exactly right. The flesh, the world, and the and the

[22:14] mentality. I'm continually caught in a loop of fallibility around these things. But I can't believe that the it's all in

[22:22] scripture. It's all in the word. But it was like the scripture coming to life somehow. Like I felt like it is

[22:27] finished. It is done. His words on the cross. I felt the compassion that is

[22:33] available through the love of his mother, through his forgiveness of us, through his acceptance of us that the

[22:38] submission I do believe that submission to a higher good. I believe now humility

[22:44] before honor before the idea of surren and still the idea of surrendering or

[22:49] accepting any human authority as supreme. I find it kind of repulsive and

[22:54] I believe that there are significant institutional if not constitutional changes coming to your country because I

[23:00] believe that there is a an appetite for more freedom. Yes, that is growing. But freedom cannot exist without virtue.

[23:08] And so freedom will come after and it's happening right now. People go to church and give their life to God. You cannot

[23:14] have a free society if you do not have a society that that values God. It's that's why continental Europe is so

[23:20] unfree. It's it's it's secular. It's interesting. And so the you you pinpoint something.

[23:26] First of all, there's a great verse that I think you'll love. Romans 12:2, which is uh do not conform to the ways of this

[23:32] world, but instead um be be uh transformed by the renewing of your mind. Fact check me if I got it right.

[23:37] Romans 12. I'm factecking. Yeah. I'm just the believer's constitution. I consider you a kind of living Bible.

[23:44] I'm not quite a living Bible, but I do take that seriously. So Romans 12:2, it's one of my favorite verses because

[23:50] you talked about your mindset. So that's Romans right there, I think. Yes. Yeah. 12:2. Well, that was 11. But

[23:57] Romans 11 is also very important about us being grafted on top of the I don't know if it's okay for me to tease you about your what I would

[24:04] consider enjoyable aspergers. Oh, thank you. It's fine.

[24:09] Cuz when I see all your lozenes lined up and everything, I teased you about it once before and I thought, don't be mean because of people

[24:16] with asperes and all of that. My son, I feel like he might be a little bit autistic actually as it as it turns out. But like we said, that's 11. That's also

[24:22] good too. 122. We got to get to that. It's very You're like sort of I would say you're like right-wing Rainman.

[24:29] Okay, I'll take it. Right-wing Rainman. Russell Brand. Put

[24:34] that on the website. That's a title. Thumbnail print. Do AB it on YouTube.

[24:40] That's an endorsement. Right-wing Rainman. All right. So this is um a New

[24:45] International Version probably Charlie. So the any distinctions are likely because of the translation. I won't I won't nitpick that. But

[24:51] what do you go with? ESV. Yeah, that's or New King James. One of the two. I I like ESV as well. All right. So and

[24:58] so dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let

[25:05] them be a living holy sacrifice, the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him. Don't copy

[25:12] the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.

[25:19] Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. It's beautiful. I like that it

[25:25] starts off, Charlie, as well. Yeah. Praise the Lord. I like that it go starts off with give your body. Like

[25:31] that's one of the things that hit me early on through uh St. Paul, I think in Corinthians, and it was somewhat by the

[25:38] brilliant rendering of the British pastor that I first heard use these words in a sermon, even though they're

[25:44] words we're all familiar with, that's frequently misused, of course, sarcastically, even ironically.

[25:51] Do you not know that your body is a temple? Do you not know? It has that prefix, do you not know that your body

[25:57] is a temple? I like the gentleness of you wouldn't be doing this if you knew that your body was a temple. I lived

[26:03] like someone who didn't know that their body was a temple, a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit, a place for the Lord to

[26:09] inhabit. We no longer have a tabernacle that has to be carried that could go off at any time and kill everyone. We are a

[26:16] living tabernacle. We are the sight of his holiness and his grace. Now, I want to put this before you because I'm

[26:21] thinking of saying it when I talk in front of the audience later, which I'm a bit nervous about, Charlie. I'm a bit nervous about talking in front of a big audience. I get I just get nervous. Um,

[26:29] see this thing? When I went to Rome the other day, I was in one of these churches, you know, like if you ever go

[26:35] to Rome, you got to go. It's amazing. I don't mean Rome in Florida because there is one, is there? Or Georgia. I don't mean that one. I mean the

[26:41] There is Georgia. Yeah. I mean the I mean the one with Italians in it.

[26:46] There's probably some in Georgia as well. But like anyway, I mean full of them. Brimmanova everywhere you look.

[26:52] One of these churches has got three Caravagios in it of St. Matthew. one Carvajio is one of my favorite um sort

[26:59] of late Renaissance artists. There's a lot of darkness in the way he paints and shafts of light. They say that Francis

[27:06] Coppa used his image system heavily for the Godfather movies. Anyway, there's this one image painting

[27:12] beautiful unbelievably beautiful painting of St. Matthew being appointed and anointed like chosen like I suppose

[27:19] in the show chosen when our lord goes o follow me if he goes o he's not from Essics but you know like

[27:24] and Matthew was a tax collector I believe so they say and and in this picture he's depicted as being sat around with a

[27:30] bunch of other taxpayers and near do well and at the end of the table rather like this one that you and I are at Charlie surrounded by them look like

[27:36] they're playing games of chance I believe it's St. Matthew at the end. Although it's one of those paintings where there's some discussion over which

[27:41] one is Matthew. The one I think is Matthew when the painting is called the anointing of Matthew or the appointing

[27:46] of Matthew. I can't remember which. Probably appointing I suppose. Like one of the gizers is sat at the end like

[27:52] that. And I think that's the one that's Matthew. That one. What? What? Who's getting appointed? Um, and you will

[27:58] understand his reluctance to be appointed in this holy mission when you see that the next of the they're not a

[28:03] tptic but they are three paintings hung together is Matthew with Gabriel writing

[28:09] his testament and gospel. And then the final image is Matthew being flayed which means skinned alive for his faith

[28:16] and for his Christianity. I thought if we believed as he believed

[28:22] how could it be that you could have an institution like the Vatican and not have a revolution. If if we believed as

[28:28] he believed, how could you have us going to church every Sunday praying, teaching our kids, reading the word and not have

[28:33] the revolution or at least the way made straight for the return of our savior? If we believed only as Paul believed, as

[28:41] Peter believed, as Barnabas believed, as Mary believed, as Steven believed, this is the church that excites and interests

[28:47] me. And I know it comes at a high cost. And I know what our Lord said to is it annihas when Paul's on his way to

[28:53] Damascus. Paul's coming. I've chosen him. He's going to suffer greatly for my

[28:59] name. So go over there and sort his head out. He's gone blind. He's had a little bit of a shock on the way here. Paraphrasing.

[29:07] But what I feel is that it was a threshold was passed Charlie that I was still withheld in the new age and I

[29:13] still bear the scars of the new age. I was going to ask you about that, but I wanted to be polite. She's Durgga. Durga is a great goddess

[29:19] in in you know this is a tattoo I've had for some years now. Of course, prior to coming to I mean, why did you decide to get a

[29:24] tattoo of her? Because Durgga is a she's female goddess energy and I have a wife and I have two

[29:31] daughters and I was commemorating and celebrating the power of my wife Laura and of my daughters Mabel and Peggy

[29:38] Durga in one of her aspects rides a tiger. And I like the idea of my daughters and my wife being powerful,

[29:44] strong women who know how to marshall the energy that God gave them. And of course, there is no God but him. and I

[29:51] surrender and bow down to Christ Jesus and I disavow all false idols. But the false idols that concern me most are not

[29:56] those that emerge out of Hinduism or even Islam. Although I'm sure you will hear rhetoric here to the contrary. No,

[30:03] it is the false idols that emerge from our culture. The ones that the graven images that we stare at day after day,

[30:09] hour after hour, the endless endless effluia and limitless flow of filth and

[30:16] pornography that denigrates and lowers us all. It's the false idols within our culture that I fear most, but you know,

[30:22] Peter took the Jews and Paul took the Gentiles. We're all going to get called to different missions. And I don't claim

[30:28] to know very much. I I think about myself all the time, and I don't understand myself yet. So, how would I

[30:33] know anything about anyone or anything else? But what I would say is it's the false idols in the culture that that I

[30:40] fear most that want us deadened and distracted. I I I totally agree. It's look, modernity has made us materially

[30:47] wealthier but spiritually poor and that that is that is modernity and we are

[30:53] seeing a reckoning of that while people want to return to a tradition. We only have a couple we only have a couple minutes. I got to get you on stage but

[30:59] really yes this is just the warm-up act. Oh man, I'm feeling nervous.

[31:04] How many thousand? It'll it'll calm you down. Give me that for my pocket. Yes.

[31:10] I know that's there. 7,000 people for you. Oh, Charlie Russell, your show is called Stay Free.

[31:17] Yes, it's on Rumble. Are you do you believe you are freer and more joyful since giving your life to

[31:23] Jesus? Oh, man. There's no question. Even with the really difficult things that happened, like being told that our baby might be born dead, being offered late

[31:29] term abortion, him being born and requiring a surgery 12 when he was 12 weeks old, turning into the glorious

[31:35] little boy that he is now. the reputational attacks, the exhaustion, the confronting with the things that I

[31:41] have done wrong in my life. I am I've never been so free in obedience and

[31:46] surrender to him. There is p perfect freedom. There is no freedom out there. There's no freedom in hedonism, in

[31:53] epicuranism, in the constant devouring of concupants and endless pleasures. There's no freedom there. It's an

[31:59] illusion. But it's a powerful illusion. I'm not suggesting I couldn't fall for it again a thousand times. I have to

[32:04] stay very close to Christ Jesus. And to do that, I I need Christians everywhere around me. And perhaps that's what fuels

[32:10] my evangelism. And so, yeah, Russell, what what has worked for you? Every believer is different. Is it Christian music? Is it

[32:16] reading the Bible? Is it going to church? What keeps you close to Jesus? Because you're right. You're constantly

[32:21] attacked. By the way, Satan, I believe, has singled you out for quite a while. And you better believe the enemy is not

[32:27] happy that now you're proclaiming Jesus in front of millions of people. And you know, we as believers believe Satan is

[32:33] real. Satan is active. Satan attack. Satan targets. Satan is literally in

[32:39] Hebrew, Satan means the prosecutor, the deceiver. So all of what you are going through in the United Kingdom is a

[32:44] satanic attack to try to say, "Oh, Russell, remember that thing that happened 10 years ago?" Try to have you

[32:50] feel guilty and ashamed. Remember, Satan throughout the scriptures would constantly always whisper, whether it be

[32:55] in the garden or elsewhere about, "Oh, you need to be held back by one what you once did, but Christ sets you free." And

[33:02] so knowing that what keeps you spiritually active and alive,

[33:10] you know, of course I am cowed by what I've done, but I am attacked for things that I have not done. I recognize that

[33:16] my objectification and exploitation was wrong. And I accept the forgiveness of my Lord and I pray for the forgiveness

[33:22] of people that have been negatively impacted by my selfish conduct, by my greedy com deduct, by my low conduct. I

[33:30] was told this by this brilliant Vietnam vet in your great nation. Everything's a burning bush. Everything's a burn. Say

[33:36] he said it like this. Everything's a burning bush is how he said it. That's how he said it. It's

[33:42] like, may I ask what you mean, sir? And and he said that Moses could have encountered Yahweh at any time. It could

[33:49] have happened at any time. Take off your shoes for you are on sacred ground. That all things are incandescent with the

[33:55] Lord yet not imilated. All of us burn with the holy light of the Holy Father. All of us feel the living presence of

[34:01] the Holy Spirit. And all of us benefit from the sacrifice of Christ Jesus and we may know eternal life in him. We

[34:08] access him here in this moment. Let this moment be a burning bush to all of us.

[34:13] Let us comfort one another. Let us love one another. Let us serve one another as he has served us. Amen.

[34:19] So beautiful. Thanks, Russell. I'll say in closing, you have millions of people praying for

[34:25] you. Thanks. the the jour the Christian journey is not e is not is not necessarily easy but you can rest that

[34:31] Jesus is with you throughout every step of it and you'll say this your whole thing is freedom where the spirit of the

[34:36] lord is there is liberty we'll leave you with that teaching how great is Russell Brand everybody give it up for Russell

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