Lotus Eaters Hosts Debate Forgiveness, Justice, and Right-Wing Unity After Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service

[00:00] So obviously after the assassination of

[00:02] Charlie Kirk, uh it's been 12 days now

[00:05] and it was 11 days on the day of the

[00:07] memorial yesterday. And um it's

[00:11] definitely changed the United States. Uh

[00:14] all of my American friends, I I don't

[00:16] want to say radicalized, that's not the

[00:18] right word, because their opinions

[00:20] haven't changed. They're still um

[00:23] exactly the kind of Republicans that

[00:24] they were before. They're still, you

[00:26] know, pro America and all this sort of

[00:27] thing. Um but the

[00:30] willingness to concede is the thing that

[00:33] has changed. I've seen them become a lot

[00:36] more entrenched in their position say

[00:37] you know what no I am right you are

[00:39] wrong and I'm not even going to

[00:41] entertain what your argument is against

[00:43] my position at this point.

[00:44] >> So it's it's affirmed their conviction

[00:46] then.

[00:47] >> Yeah. Yeah. A deep sort of retrenchment

[00:50] in the right and a unity in the right

[00:52] which I haven't actually ever seen

[00:54] before. The closest I think that we got

[00:56] to it was the initial campaign of Donald

[00:59] Trump actually where he was battering

[01:01] his way through all of the old

[01:02] Republicans, the Rhinos, and uh casting

[01:05] them into the pit of Hades, which was

[01:08] great. Um but yeah, so there's a huge

[01:11] huge amount of really positive energy

[01:13] which surrounds um this memorial for

[01:16] Charlie Kirk. As you see, this is

[01:17] people, tens of thousands of people at

[01:18] 4. It was held in Phoenix, Arizona, and

[01:21] tens of thousands people were just

[01:22] standing since 4:00 a.m. because

[01:25] otherwise you weren't going to get into

[01:26] the stadium. And I just want to I mean,

[01:29] this is just like obviously you had

[01:32] millions of people watching online, you

[01:34] know, like when I tuned into it, there

[01:36] was something like 600,000 people

[01:38] watching live on just the YouTube stream

[01:39] and then it's being streamed everywhere

[01:41] else. And you can see the stadium there.

[01:42] I mean, this is just absolutely packed.

[01:44] was being watched in France.

[01:46] >> It's being watched every being broadcast

[01:48] in France late at night and people were

[01:50] watching it there.

[01:51] >> Yeah.

[01:51] >> So, um

[01:52] >> and so it's gen Yeah like you know it's

[01:55] just all over the place. All over the

[01:57] place.

[01:58] >> Uh and so you've got you know a huge

[02:01] unifying experience for the American

[02:05] right going on which is really

[02:07] interesting. Um because

[02:10] I don't think anyone expected this to be

[02:13] as I mean no one expected this to happen

[02:15] but and everyone in their moment of

[02:18] grieving

[02:19] they weren't sort of projecting

[02:20] themselves into the future. Everyone was

[02:22] very concerned with the here and now

[02:24] thinking oh my god look what's happened.

[02:26] Um, but this has really come just drawn

[02:29] everyone together because and there

[02:30] there were people who are critics of

[02:32] Charlie Kirk from the right obviously. I

[02:34] mean, lots of people critical of him

[02:35] from the right, but that's all fallen

[02:38] away at this point. No one cares about

[02:40] the doctrinal differences they had on

[02:42] any individual issue with Charlie Kirk.

[02:45] What matters is he was one of ours and

[02:48] they murdered him. And that's it. That's

[02:50] the the end of the story, right? He was

[02:52] the debate guy who wanted to talk to

[02:54] you, who actually cared about your

[02:55] opinions and you murdered him. So,

[02:58] forgive us if we don't care about your

[03:00] opinions. We're not interested in

[03:01] talking to you is the attitude of many

[03:04] right-wingers in America at the moment.

[03:05] Anyway, so you had uh snipers on the

[03:07] roof uh protecting

[03:11] uh the crowd because

[03:14] unfortunately that's a dire necessity,

[03:16] isn't it, in America? Now, I just as a

[03:19] quick thing, I don't know about any of

[03:20] the conspiracy theories about Charlie

[03:22] Kirk's death, and I'm not inclined

[03:24] towards conspiracy theories, so I'm just

[03:26] going to go with the official narrative

[03:28] as it stands at the moment. It was a

[03:29] deranged leftist with a 306 rifle or

[03:34] something that shot him from a rooftop.

[03:36] And so, unsurprisingly, they have to

[03:38] make sure their roofs are covered

[03:40] because America is no longer a safe

[03:42] place. And the thing is, it's not the

[03:43] only leftist shooter in recent days. In

[03:45] the last week, there have been three. So

[03:48] anyway, moving on. Like I said,

[03:52] this is a unifying experience for the

[03:54] right.

[03:55] Here's Elon and Trump at the service sat

[03:58] next to each other.

[04:00] >> Uh which is, you know, a nice thing to

[04:05] see, especially after they've very

[04:07] publicly beefed. There's a photo of them

[04:09] shaking hands. It's not in that clip. um

[04:12] after they've very publicly beefed and

[04:13] call each other all sorts of mean names

[04:16] in the wake of this experience. It's

[04:18] really made the small differences uh the

[04:21] sort of the vanity of the small

[04:23] differences fall away and seem far less

[04:26] important because actually it could be

[04:28] you tomorrow.

[04:30] >> Martyrdom is a fundamentally unifying

[04:32] thing. That's why the Catholics say that

[04:33] the blood of martyrs is is is the seat

[04:35] of the church. Um, so this is what

[04:38] happened and you rally around your

[04:40] martyrs and you put aside your small

[04:42] differences and you try to figure out,

[04:43] okay, there are people trying to kill.

[04:46] Yes.

[04:46] >> How do we deal with them?

[04:47] >> It's interesting, isn't it? The the

[04:48] radical left

[04:51] how sort of brazen they were to state

[04:53] when all of this happened.

[04:55] There were numerous that were saying,

[04:56] "Oh, well, you know, he'll never go down

[04:57] as a martyr." Quite literally.

[04:59] >> Well, we we'll get to those in a minute

[05:00] if that's all right, cuz I'm going to go

[05:02] through those in a minute. uh because

[05:04] the you know I very rarely have I heard

[05:07] a take that wrong.

[05:08] >> Um

[05:10] >> anyway, as you can see, they had to give

[05:12] their speeches uh in Charlie Kirk's

[05:15] memory from behind bulletproof glass and

[05:18] it is not in any way an exaggeration to

[05:21] say this was a very reasonable

[05:23] precaution to take.

[05:24] >> Yeah. No, absolutely.

[05:26] >> Uh it's a sad

[05:27] >> it's such a shame, isn't it? We

[05:28] shouldn't have to live like that and we

[05:31] didn't have to live like that. like this

[05:33] is this is a relative relatively new

[05:36] phenomenon and it's tragic. It's

[05:38] absolutely tragic. It's a choice as

[05:40] well. Like

[05:41] >> it's a choice.

[05:42] >> Yes.

[05:43] >> But it is unfortunately the reality of

[05:45] political discourse in America at this

[05:47] point. So

[05:48] >> um yeah, no I I don't blame them at all

[05:50] for giving their speeches from behind

[05:52] bulletproof glass. Um so let's go

[05:55] through some of some takes that people

[05:57] gave some notables. Uh Elon Musk was

[06:00] asked by a journalist uh what his

[06:02] opinion was.

[06:03] >> Why was he killed?

[06:06] [Music]

[06:08] >> He was he was he was killed because his

[06:10] words made a difference because he was

[06:15] showing people the light

[06:18] and he was killed by the dark.

[06:20] >> Thank you, sir. Thank you.

[06:21] >> That was quite an emotional sounding uh

[06:24] piece there. But I think Elon really did

[06:27] hammer it correctly there. Like he was

[06:29] killed because his words were making a

[06:31] difference.

[06:31] >> Yes.

[06:32] >> If his words didn't make a difference,

[06:33] he wouldn't have been such a hate figure

[06:35] for the left and they would have just

[06:37] ignored him or laughed at him. And if he

[06:39] >> wore the truth, right?

[06:40] >> Yeah.

[06:40] >> Yeah. Absolutely.

[06:41] >> And and and if his words did not bring

[06:43] light, they would not be that angry.

[06:45] >> Yes.

[06:45] >> That the sort of demonic forces of the

[06:47] left would not be that angry and would

[06:50] not be reelling in his death in the way

[06:51] that they did until there were

[06:53] consequences.

[06:53] >> It's funny, isn't it? because it it's

[06:55] illustrative of a few incidents that

[06:57] have happened um throughout the last

[06:59] couple of years. Libs of Tik Tok, I

[07:01] mean, all they did for instance was just

[07:03] show insane videos and go,

[07:06] >> "Look how mental this person is." Eight

[07:08] figure now. Yeah.

[07:10] >> Yeah. She got docks. People like tried

[07:11] to, you know, attempted murder and

[07:13] things like that.

[07:14] >> And and and that's the thing, right?

[07:16] Like the truth hurts these people.

[07:18] >> Exactly. And that that was that was that

[07:20] was what Charlie Cook

[07:21] >> that that's what makes them creatures of

[07:22] the dark. That's what makes them

[07:24] creatures of the dark.

[07:25] >> And that I I like the light dark motif

[07:28] here as well because it's very much the

[07:30] the left's mo modus operandi to censor

[07:34] as in I want to make sure that people

[07:35] aren't aware of what you who you are,

[07:37] what you think, and any consequences

[07:39] that follow from that. Whereas the right

[07:41] has always been like, look, I'll show

[07:42] you my enemy. Here's my enemy. This is

[07:44] the stupid thing they say. This is the

[07:46] repulsive creatures that they are. And

[07:49] so it very much is the sort of light

[07:51] dark motif being played out just in the

[07:53] general political environment which I I

[07:55] have to say I really do quite like it.

[07:57] Um Tucker's speech was deeply Christian.

[08:00] Now there's a particular clip of him

[08:02] talking about the Pharisees and how they

[08:03] killed Jesus to silence him. Uh which

[08:07] >> has been going around and everyone's

[08:08] like ah this is anti-semitic. And it's

[08:10] like, well, I mean, he's speaking about

[08:12] a particular event that is documented in

[08:15] the Bible by specific peopleactly who

[08:18] took specific actions. He's not

[08:20] abstracting that into an entire class of

[08:23] people.

[08:23] >> And and and frankly, I'm sick and tired

[08:25] of being told that um Christianity must

[08:28] always be in a defensive uh crouch.

[08:31] >> Yeah.

[08:31] >> And afraid of what others will think.

[08:33] No. No. Christianity is true. Everybody

[08:35] else is wrong. That's the end of that

[08:37] discussion. Well, um, that's definitely

[08:38] the opinions of Christians. But Tucker

[08:41] gave a deeply Christian, uh, speech,

[08:44] actually, if you listen to more of it,

[08:46] and I'm going to play a little bit of

[08:46] it, cuz Tucker, I I'm always amazed at

[08:49] just how good a public speaker Tucker

[08:51] is.

[08:51] >> He doesn't have a script. He just goes

[08:53] up there, and he sits there just not not

[08:56] even riffing, just explaining what he

[08:57] genuinely thinks. And it comes out like

[09:00] poetry

[09:01] >> of what we've known for 2,000 years,

[09:05] which is any attempt to extinguish the

[09:08] light causes it to burn brighter every

[09:11] single time.

[09:16] So as we

[09:19] as we proceed into whatever comes next,

[09:22] and clearly something's coming next,

[09:27] remember this moment. remember being in

[09:29] a room with the Holy Spirit humming like

[09:32] a tuning fork.

[09:35] This is the way right here. This is the

[09:38] way. And that is what Charlie Kirk was

[09:41] saying underneath it all. Thank you. And

[09:43] God.

[09:44] >> So I mean you can see that he's just a

[09:46] superb rhetoric. Um and obviously this

[09:50] whole the whole thing was very very

[09:52] deeply Christian. Um which is what one

[09:54] would expect. Uh JD Vance gave um a very

[09:58] mature and manly speech. I thought uh

[10:02] we'll play a clip of it as well because

[10:04] I I particularly enjoyed it. The thing

[10:06] is JD Vance had there was a risk of him

[10:09] coming off a bit too strong actually. Uh

[10:12] it it could have it could have gone down

[10:14] poorly if uh if there wasn't such a nice

[10:18] energy in the stadium. Better to die a

[10:20] young man in this world than to sell

[10:22] your soul for an easy life with no

[10:25] purpose, no risk, no love, and no truth.

[10:35] Christ told us in the Gospel of John, "I

[10:38] have said these things to you that in me

[10:40] you may have peace.

[10:43] In the world you will have tribulation,

[10:46] but take heart. I have overcome the

[10:49] world.

[10:51] [Applause]

[10:54] >> So again, strong stuff. It's better to

[10:57] die young man in this world than to sell

[10:58] your soul for an easy life with no

[10:59] purpose, no risk, no love, and no truth.

[11:01] Um, but I agree. That's the thing. I

[11:04] fundamentally agree. You know, so

[11:06] someone might say, well, this is a bit

[11:07] insensitive at a funeral or something.

[11:08] It's like, well, I think Charlie Ko

[11:10] would agree with that, actually.

[11:12] >> Yeah, I guess I see what you're saying,

[11:13] but I mean, he's he's actually

[11:14] applauding Charlie, isn't he, for

[11:15] saying,

[11:16] >> of course he is. Yeah. But you you know

[11:17] he he he he lived a

[11:19] >> of course but the the you know I mean

[11:21] it's it's it could be interpreted

[11:24] differently and I I I wouldn't obviously

[11:26] but I mean

[11:27] >> if at a funeral the best thing you can

[11:29] say is that his life and death had great

[11:32] meaning.

[11:33] >> Yes.

[11:34] >> And obviously this is a man whose life

[11:36] and whose death had enormous meaning.

[11:38] the the fact that this became a

[11:41] religious celebration again is a sign

[11:44] that it is in fact martyrdom.

[11:46] >> Yeah, it is. That's absolutely true. Um

[11:49] there's if if if anything it would be

[11:52] hard to describe this as not a martr's

[11:54] death

[11:54] >> precisely.

[11:55] >> I don't even know how you would go about

[11:57] making the argument. Um then you had the

[11:59] speech from Erica Kirk who decided that

[12:02] she would in proper Christian fashion

[12:04] forgive her killer. And uh this was

[12:07] shared a lot.

[12:13] >> Father, forgive them for they not know

[12:16] what they do.

[12:20] That man,

[12:24] that young man,

[12:28] I forgive him.

[12:44] So, it's at this point that I have to

[12:45] break with my Christian friends. Um,

[12:48] everyone knows I have many Christian

[12:50] friends. I'm an ally of Christianity,

[12:53] but I wouldn't forgive him. I would drag

[12:55] him around the walls of Troy from a

[12:57] chariot displaying his body. I'm a lot

[13:00] more pagan on these things, I'm afraid.

[13:03] Uh people who do terrible things deserve

[13:05] terrible things to happen to them and I

[13:07] think I I would be quite happy to do

[13:09] them myself uh as a restoration of

[13:11] justice. Explain to me why that's wrong.

[13:14] >> The two are not in any way in conflict.

[13:16] >> Okay.

[13:16] >> The the two are not in any way in

[13:18] conflict. You

[13:20] as a Christian you punish him

[13:23] >> not out of animosity towards him

[13:26] >> but because justice demands him demands

[13:28] that and because the order of society

[13:31] demands that and so there is no conflict

[13:34] between personal forgiveness and the

[13:37] state delivering justice including the

[13:40] death penalty. these two like there's a

[13:43] sword in Germany that keeps making the

[13:44] rounds on X

[13:46] >> seen it

[13:46] >> which sort of states that I I hope that

[13:49] this helps get get him into heaven.

[13:51] >> Yeah. May the sinner be given eternal

[13:52] life.

[13:53] >> Maybe eternal life. Exactly. So there is

[13:56] no conflict between wanting justice and

[14:01] you personally uh loving your enemy and

[14:04] choosing to forgive.

[14:05] >> Uh the mistake is wanting one but not

[14:09] the other. is wanting only retribution

[14:12] uh or wanting only forgiveness without

[14:15] any retribution. And obviously the

[14:17] condition for the murderer to go to

[14:18] heaven is his genuine repentance.

[14:22] If if like when you when you go when you

[14:25] go to confession, it's not confession.

[14:27] It's the sacrament of reconciliation.

[14:29] The first part of the sacrament is the

[14:31] confession. You admit that you've done

[14:33] wrong. You admit it in good conscience,

[14:36] in good faith, with genuine repentance.

[14:39] Therefore, you get forgiven and you are

[14:41] absolved of your sins. But it's not one

[14:43] or the other. And so, I I don't see a

[14:46] contradiction between uh Erica Kirk's

[14:49] personal forgiveness

[14:50] and the demand of justice that this man

[14:54] hang.

[14:55] >> Yeah. But I'm not, like I said, I'm I'm

[14:57] not a Christian. I don't love my

[14:58] enemies.

[14:59] >> But a different perspective would be you

[15:02] can forgive someone, but it doesn't mean

[15:03] you have to forget.

[15:05] >> Well,

[15:06] >> yeah. I'm not sure I'd even want to

[15:07] forgive. I'm actually very much more

[15:08] with Donald Trump on this. Uh he had a a

[15:13] take that very much resonated with me.

[15:16] >> In that private moment on his dying day,

[15:19] we find everything we need to know about

[15:21] who Charlie Kirk truly was. He was a

[15:24] missionary with a noble spirit and a

[15:27] great great purpose. He did not hate his

[15:31] opponents. He wanted

[15:33] the best for them. That's where I

[15:35] disagreed with Charlie.

[15:37] I hate my opponent

[15:40] and I don't want the best for them. I'm

[15:42] sorry. I am sorry, Erica.

[15:45] >> Well, I I think we're being confused

[15:46] about two kinds of bests for them.

[15:48] >> I I think I just love Trump when he

[15:50] talks. It's just so funny.

[15:52] >> It It just sort of shows the guy is

[15:54] isn't acting.

[15:56] >> Trump is

[15:58] >> um the most Sorry, that's just the most

[16:01] Trump statement in the world. So, oh

[16:03] yeah, he's a good guy. He loved his

[16:05] enemies. I don't I hate my enemies.

[16:07] Quintessentially Trump. So I can't

[16:10] just

[16:11] >> So let me put it to you this way.

[16:13] >> In front of millions of people, hundreds

[16:15] of millions of people watching this and

[16:17] Trump's like, "Yeah, no, I hate my

[16:18] opponents. I don't want the best for

[16:20] them. [ __ ] those guys." Sorry.

[16:24] >> There are two kinds of I want the best

[16:26] for them. I don't want my opponent to

[16:28] have a job where he has power over me,

[16:31] >> obviously. Yeah. or I don't want him to

[16:33] have a position where he can keep on

[16:36] destroying society as the left has been

[16:38] doing.

[16:38] >> Yeah.

[16:39] >> But what is genuinely best for him is

[16:41] the salvation of his soul and therefore

[16:44] his repentance. And so therefore some

[16:46] punishments in this world

[16:48] >> that might push him towards regret are

[16:51] actually good for him and in that sense

[16:54] I want the best for him. the the the key

[16:57] point I I think I sent you that very

[16:59] long auh aquinus quote um that it is not

[17:02] being done with a spirit of malice

[17:05] >> towards the person. It is done with God

[17:08] at the center and part of what God is is

[17:10] justice. Mhm.

[17:12] >> So it is just that people who celebrate

[17:15] uh killing people for political

[17:17] disagreements when there's absolutely no

[17:20] need for that uh be faced with enormous

[17:23] punishment in this world because it

[17:26] might help them repent and save them in

[17:28] the next world.

[17:28] >> Yeah. I I just want I just want them

[17:30] strung up.

[17:32] >> I I'm I'm going with mice

[17:33] >> because you don't think about the next

[17:34] world, but that's a different

[17:35] >> I don't You're right. But I'm I'm going

[17:36] with malice in this world. Um anyway, so

[17:39] yeah, like the you got people who are

[17:41] like, "Oh, I'm glad he's dead because

[17:43] he's not a martyr." This video came out

[17:46] the day that Charlie Ko was shot.

[17:48] >> The best part of this whole goddamn

[17:50] thing is that he is not martyr material.

[17:54] So his death will mean nothing. It will

[17:57] activate no one. It will impact few.

[18:03] It's just great.

[18:05] >> I mean also just how What a terrible

[18:08] take. But

[18:09] >> yeah, the wrongest take ever.

[18:10] >> Yeah, truly. But what an awful

[18:13] individual. I mean, I keep going back to

[18:15] the the sort of celebratory left in

[18:17] this.

[18:18] >> It's truly awful just how desensitized

[18:21] people are to barbarism and, you know,

[18:25] the the the the brutal mortal nature of

[18:29] life being the best gone in one second.

[18:31] I just can't bring these people

[18:32] celebrating someone's death. It's truly

[18:35] disgusting. He was obviously martyr

[18:37] material.

[18:37] >> Yeah,

[18:38] >> he was obviously martyr material. And

[18:39] what she's admitting is that she is

[18:41] neither wife material nor mother

[18:42] material.

[18:43] >> That's very true. And she can be

[18:45] >> civilization material. People like that

[18:47] should not be in a civilization because

[18:49] you must be civil to be in a

[18:50] civilization.

[18:51] >> Not Christian civilization. If she was

[18:53] asic, she'd be fine.

[18:54] >> Um, so there is that important detail to

[18:59] to sort of bear in mind. But what she is

[19:02] showing is obviously her own nature. And

[19:04] part of wishing her well is wishing her

[19:06] whatever is necessary for her

[19:08] conversion. And if that includes her

[19:11] losing her job, her being told you can't

[19:13] be a nurse, you can't be a teacher, you

[19:15] can't be in any kind of government

[19:17] position, um you know, do manual labor

[19:20] until you change your mind, then that is

[19:24] part of wishing her well. It's not that

[19:27] I want her soul to burn. It's that I

[19:30] want her to be punished enough to

[19:31] change.

[19:33] >> And we'll move from the Christian

[19:34] perspective to uh Steven Miller's

[19:36] perspective because uh he's not so

[19:39] forgiving.

[19:40] >> No.

[19:41] >> Again, I'm very very much finding myself

[19:44] uh aligned with these chaps. This is so

[19:47] good.

[19:48] >> We will prevail over the forces of

[19:50] wickedness and evil. They cannot imagine

[19:55] what they have awakened. They cannot

[19:57] conceive of the army that they have

[20:00] arisen in all of us

[20:04] because we stand for what is good, what

[20:06] is virtuous, what is noble. And to those

[20:09] trying to incite violence against us,

[20:12] those trying to fment hatred against us,

[20:15] what do you have?

[20:17] You have nothing. You are nothing. You

[20:21] are wickedness. You are jealousy. You

[20:23] are envy. You are hatred. You are

[20:26] nothing. You can build nothing. You can

[20:29] produce nothing. You can create nothing.

[20:34] We are the ones who build. We are the

[20:36] ones who create. We are the ones who

[20:39] lift up humanity.

[20:42] You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk.

[20:46] You have made him immortal. You have

[20:49] immortalized Charlie Kirk. And now

[20:51] millions will carry on his legacy.

[20:55] [Applause]

[20:57] True.

[20:58] >> I love it.

[20:59] >> That that is, you know, a clear contrast

[21:02] of good versus evil.

[21:03] >> He names a few of of of the of the

[21:06] deadly sins.

[21:07] >> Envy,

[21:08] >> wrath, uh,

[21:11] sloth,

[21:12] >> um,

[21:14] and he says that what is good is to use

[21:16] your talents for the good. This is this

[21:18] is a very

[21:20] Christian speech from someone who is

[21:22] Jewish. Yeah. But

[21:23] >> so I' I have zero problem with what he's

[21:26] saying.

[21:26] >> I'm not saying he's not got the virtues,

[21:28] but the sentiment.

[21:30] >> Mhm.

[21:30] >> It's not terribly Christian.

[21:31] >> Yes, it is.

[21:32] >> No, he's not going to Steven Miller is

[21:35] not loving his enemies.

[21:36] >> Any medieval Catholic would have

[21:38] recognized this as a profoundly

[21:40] Christian sentiment.

[21:42] >> Yeah, but Steven Miller is not loving

[21:43] his enemies. He's crushing his enemies,

[21:45] >> which is part of what you should do.

[21:46] >> He recognized them. He recognizes them

[21:48] as irredeemably evil and to be smoten

[21:52] wherever they are found. And I I agree

[21:54] with him. I think he's on something

[21:56] here. Um

[21:59] there we go. Um and then you get the

[22:01] coverage, right? The BBC were obviously

[22:03] like, "Oh, right. He's far right

[22:05] >> really

[22:05] >> in their coverage." Yeah. Yeah. This

[22:06] this was just like the f they were

[22:09] literally like far right.

[22:10] >> Don't know what far right actually.

[22:14] >> Charlie Ko was the moderate. Everyone

[22:15] knows Charlie Ko was the moderate. If

[22:17] you think he was far right, then okay,

[22:18] you continue to damn his memory.

[22:21] >> Yeah, exactly. You're in for a surprise

[22:22] because I think that the uh American

[22:24] right now is just beyond negotiating

[22:26] with this kind of position of slander. I

[22:29] really think they're beyond it. And good

[22:30] for them, frankly. You know, I'm with

[22:33] Trump and Miller. Just know we're going

[22:34] to crush you now. We're just going to

[22:36] absolutely crush you. And you get you

[22:38] get what you deserve. And then you get

[22:39] like, you know, delusional nonsense. Oh,

[22:41] Charlie Kirk's lead overdose is

[22:43] irrelevant. Honestly, I don't think so

[22:45] at all, man. you if you guys think that

[22:47] Charlie Kirk isn't Martyr material, if

[22:50] you think this doesn't matter, I don't

[22:52] think you're looking very far into the

[22:53] future with your predictions here. And

[22:55] then you get uh truly the

[22:58] most I mean just I can't I can't

[23:01] understand how he's still allowed on the

[23:02] internet with takes like this. Destiny

[23:04] said, "This Charlie Coke memorial is

[23:06] indistinguishable from a Nazi rally and

[23:08] f anyone who wants to pretend that it's

[23:10] not." It's like, "Yeah,

[23:11] >> what?"

[23:12] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. John's just

[23:13] like, "Yeah, that young man, I forgive

[23:15] him. Adolf Hitler 1939. So you are

[23:19] he he's being deliberately provocative.

[23:21] He's just a pratt. Um and then you get

[23:25] uh the protesters. Of course there were

[23:27] leftist protesters there.

[23:29] Turn off the music just uh but as you

[23:31] can see it's the sort of left-wing

[23:33] Westborough Baptist church. Um but truth

[23:36] equals love which is why we're here

[23:38] protesting a funeral.

[23:39] >> God hates who does God hate apparently?

[23:42] >> Oh I don't know.

[23:43] >> Proud sinners.

[23:44] Is it?

[23:45] >> Yes. Yes.

[23:46] >> At least it's not gays anymore, I

[23:47] suppose.

[23:48] >> But um yeah, so

[23:50] >> weird thing to protest again. Just truly

[23:52] awful humans.

[23:53] >> Uh and then you have the truly online

[23:55] radical leftwing position. White

[23:57] supremacy is so crazy because you

[23:58] literally killed your husband. You're

[24:00] forgiving him because he's white.

[24:01] >> Ah, yes. That's that's that's the

[24:03] reason.

[24:06] >> 100,000 likes on this tweet.

[24:08] >> What is wrong with me?

[24:09] >> Cuz you Oh, you've just pulled out some

[24:11] random thing that's had 300 views. No.

[24:13] No, no, no. 100,000 likes.

[24:15] >> What?

[24:16] >> This is this is representative of a

[24:18] large slice of leftist thinking.

[24:20] >> That's that's that's actual delusion,

[24:22] isn't it? Like that's

[24:23] >> Yeah. I don't know what to say at this

[24:24] point.

[24:25] >> And I think that mental illness tweet

[24:27] Yeah. Well, exactly.

[24:27] >> Demonic possession, right?

[24:29] >> This tweet properly exemplifies why I

[24:30] think the American right it's just

[24:31] beyond debating with leftists now.

[24:33] >> Yeah. So,

[24:35] >> you've ended the debate.

[24:36] >> If you're if you're that delusional,

[24:38] there's there's no point in having a

[24:40] conversation with you at that. There

[24:42] just isn't, right? like

[24:43] >> that's your position. Just go in the bin

[24:46] like that. We we'll step over you.

[24:48] You're done. That's

[24:50] >> correct.

[24:50] >> Not even worth entertaining.

[24:52] >> Correct. And and there's nothing

[24:53] uncchristian about that.

[24:54] >> Like there's nothing even if it's

[24:56] uncchristian. It's realism. I'm afraid

[24:58] you know what can be what can be debated

[25:01] with this?

[25:01] >> Nothing. Nothing. Exactly. Nothing. No.

[25:03] The these people should not be in any

[25:06] position where they have power over

[25:07] anyone else. All what they are allowed

[25:10] to do from now on is probably manual

[25:11] labor. Not that there's anything wrong

[25:13] with manual labor, but

[25:14] >> Oh, no.

[25:15] >> There's something wrong with them having

[25:16] responsibility over anybody's life.

[25:18] That's the end of it.

[25:20] >> Completely agree. Um, so yeah, in

[25:21] conclusion, um, it was an incredible

[25:24] memorial service, incredible turnout,

[25:26] incredible feeling of unity from the

[25:28] American right with all of this. Um, it

[25:31] as an Englishman, it was very American.

[25:32] So, you know, I'm not going to I'm not

[25:34] going to judge how Americans do

[25:36] pageantry, but they, you know, they do

[25:38] it fairly well.

[25:39] >> Um, sorry.

[25:40] >> Well done for them.

[25:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. It's it's their

[25:42] own thing. So, I'm not going to judge

[25:44] that. Um, but it was it was really

[25:46] heartfelt the whole way through. And you

[25:47] could tell that literally millions of

[25:49] people uh were genuinely changed by all

[25:52] of this. And so, incredible incredible

[25:55] work, everyone. And uh, Godspeed. Who

[25:58] are the men that pig for scraps amongst

[26:00] the ruins of the end of history? You

[26:02] should know because you encounter them

[26:04] every day. Between the towering

[26:06] buildings of a fallen empire, we find

[26:08] the Fahheim, the historyless men who

[26:12] know nothing of the turning of the

[26:13] cosmic wheel and find themselves outside

[26:16] of civilization itself. Cut loose from

[26:19] the great chain of being, they represent

[26:22] the lone into which our dying culture

[26:24] will return. That is, unless we choose

[26:28] to take up the burden once again. This

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