My Chat with Charlie Kirk, Author of Right Wing Revolution (THE SAAD TRUTH_1703)

[00:01] hey guys the gentleman I have with me

[00:03] today is the epitome of what is a honey

[00:06] badger he'll tell you all about it in a

[00:07] second he's invited me on his show

[00:09] several times so it was only right that

[00:11] I finally reciprocate Mr Charlie Kirk

[00:14] how you doing

[00:15] sir Dr sad uh you're great I was going

[00:18] to call you Great American but a great

[00:19] Westerner and uh fellow Fighter for all

[00:22] that is reasonable and good and true and

[00:24] beautiful so thank you my friend great

[00:26] to be back you're too you're too kind so

[00:29] to uh last week your book let me just

[00:31] I'm getting old so I have to put my

[00:33] glasses your latest book with a new

[00:35] publisher I think winning team

[00:37] publishing one of the co-founders is

[00:40] Donald Trump Jr you have a new book out

[00:42] right-wing Revolution how to beat beat

[00:46] the woke and save the West boy is this

[00:49] within my wheelhouse if you'd like we

[00:51] can either start with the book or maybe

[00:53] first trace for us how as a 19-year-old

[00:56] you decided I'm not going to be

[00:58] parasitized by univers

[01:00] I'm going to trace my own path forward

[01:03] we could start there and then finish off

[01:05] with the book take it away sir

[01:07] absolutely I just want to say your your

[01:09] work is amazing and I'm really enjoying

[01:10] your happiness book it is terrific um

[01:13] and so uh we we we have to have you back

[01:15] on the show to talk about that look uh

[01:17] when I was uh my whole life I wanted to

[01:18] go to West Point I grew up in the

[01:20] suburbs of Chicago uh I didn't get into

[01:22] West Point and I was left with a couple

[01:24] options I I could have went to Baylor a

[01:26] couple other schools and I wasn't that

[01:28] passionate about it I've always had had

[01:30] an entrepreneurial impulse you could say

[01:32] and I told my parents hey I'm going to

[01:33] take a gap year to try and save the

[01:34] civilization and they said okay sure um

[01:37] but they they were supportive in the

[01:38] sense where they say I couldn't do it

[01:41] and uh it's been 12 Gap years um since I

[01:44] took um that that little Hiatus and it's

[01:47] just been this amazing journey um we we

[01:49] like to say it's an only in America

[01:50] story and I think there is a lot of

[01:52] Truth to that we're only in America

[01:53] could a kid who didn't go to college

[01:55] travel the country convince people to

[01:57] give him some financing put together an

[01:59] organ iation and really help launch a

[02:01] movement um that has really captured the

[02:04] country and is making a positive impact

[02:06] uh against a lot of these things but

[02:08] also for the ideas of Liberty Freedom

[02:10] self-governance separation of powers and

[02:13] uh yeah from the very beginning I saw a

[02:15] problem and I wanted to fix it I was

[02:16] very underwhelmed by what we would call

[02:18] the conservative infrastructure here in

[02:20] the states and I felt that it could be a

[02:23] lot more aggressive that it could be

[02:25] more creative and also better reaching

[02:28] of young people uh and it's just this

[02:30] remarkable Journey uh praise God for the

[02:32] last 12 years as we have seen this go to

[02:34] high school campuses college campuses

[02:36] and now we have a whole political arm

[02:38] and it just started with and I talk

[02:39] about this in the book which was a ni

[02:41] segue is that everybody can look at a

[02:44] problem and complain about it but few

[02:46] people can then go about actually

[02:47] solving it and I'm not necessarily

[02:49] saying we've solved the problem yet but

[02:51] take using your agency using your action

[02:54] using your ability to make choices uh is

[02:58] something that I believe is what is

[03:00] beautiful about being human and uh far

[03:03] too often we allow the status quo to

[03:06] govern our reality when we should ask

[03:08] the question why do we have to live like

[03:09] this and the answer is we don't and so

[03:11] turning point USA is now a behemoth and

[03:13] we're super thankful it's been a great

[03:14] journey what do you think it was I mean

[03:17] I'm in a sense I'm forgive me I'm asking

[03:19] you to speak about yourself and I know

[03:20] you're a modest guy but what is the

[03:22] unique constellation of genes that

[03:24] constitutes your personhood that allows

[03:27] you at 19yearold as a 19y old old to to

[03:30] have there's a Jewish word I don't know

[03:32] if you know thepa the uis OHA yeah I yes

[03:36] that's right right I mean I'm a

[03:38] 19yearold most 19y olds can't find their

[03:40] way to the bus stop but somehow you

[03:43] decide you know what I think I've got

[03:45] the constellation of traits that would

[03:47] allow me I mean of course you could have

[03:49] never predicted that 12 years later

[03:50] you'd be where you are but yet you still

[03:52] had the the selfconfidence is this

[03:54] something that we can bottle and sell or

[03:59] everyone has to work within their own

[04:01] limited

[04:03] abilities so uh it's it's a it's a great

[04:05] question I don't like talking about

[04:07] myself you are right uh you've diagnosed

[04:08] me correctly but I'll do my best uh a

[04:10] couple things so when I first started

[04:12] turning point I was about a year into it

[04:14] and I remember I had this Eureka moment

[04:17] and I said oh my goodness people don't

[04:19] work as hard as I do you see when you're

[04:21] in high school and you're a high

[04:23] performer you see a lot of people that

[04:25] work very hard for good grades and that

[04:27] you think that is how the rest of the

[04:28] world works that high perform they'll

[04:30] stay up late they'll do their homework

[04:31] but when it comes into into the

[04:33] professional life or career all of a

[04:35] sudden you realize that at the top of

[04:37] the success curve there are very few

[04:39] people like I was willing to travel 330

[04:42] days a year for 10 years straight so I

[04:44] traveled 3,000 days for a decade 3,300

[04:47] days for a decade and it's just how I'm

[04:49] wired I'm Relentless I always made a

[04:51] promise that I will not have the most

[04:53] credentials but I will outwork you and

[04:56] I've made good on that promise and I

[04:57] have a tough time sitting still

[05:00] I also heard Thomas Massie say this

[05:02] recently who I just love and I think I

[05:04] share this genetic deformity with him uh

[05:07] I have a genetic deformity where I

[05:09] really don't care what people say about

[05:11] me I don't know where it comes from I

[05:13] don't know how to track it uh maybe

[05:15] there's a blood work that could be done

[05:17] uh but when people criticize me or I

[05:19] just it doesn't really bother me and so

[05:22] when people said oh you're not you're

[05:23] not going to college you're going to be

[05:24] a failure it just never phased me I will

[05:27] say my parents were always very

[05:28] supportive in the sense where they they

[05:30] they said if this is what you believe in

[05:32] then do it you know we we'll give you

[05:34] the ability and freedom to do that uh

[05:36] but also to be honest doctor said the

[05:38] fact that I was on my own to pay for

[05:40] college was one of the most liberating

[05:42] things uh because of the 2008 financial

[05:45] crisis my parents were not in a

[05:46] financial place to underwrite college

[05:48] for me and so I would have had to go

[05:50] into debt and I was basically on the

[05:52] hook if you will to pay for college it

[05:54] kind of gave me a great me Lage if you

[05:58] take up a loan you actually think that

[06:00] you're the one who's supposed to pay it

[06:02] and not the welder and farmer that's

[06:04] some dangerous that's right talk they're

[06:07] you're doing there it it is um it is

[06:10] very in fact it's it's an old idea and

[06:13] it no longer exists and so when I in

[06:14] 2012 I had this idea that if I'm going

[06:16] to borrow $100,000 to go you know study

[06:19] something I'm not that passionate about

[06:20] I'm going to be on the hook for that

[06:21] little did I know that the whole idea of

[06:23] the scam is to try to run up the student

[06:24] loan debt as high as possible and fill

[06:26] them with you would say parasitic ideas

[06:28] and then have them be uh government

[06:30] dependent or at least um sympathetic

[06:33] towards government policies and

[06:34] forgiveness programs for the rest of

[06:35] their life so yeah and also I guess in

[06:38] my I'm I'm at I'm trying to

[06:40] psychoanalyze myself um is that I I

[06:43] always wanted to be the best at whatever

[06:46] I was doing and it was a Relentless

[06:47] pursuit of being excellent and not

[06:50] everyone has that and so it was always

[06:52] surrounding myself with the best people

[06:54] trying to find High performers and again

[06:56] when you work really really hard at

[06:58] something and you find daily disciplines

[07:00] and you stay away from a lot of the Riff

[07:02] Raff or a lot of what would be the

[07:05] distractions of the of life and you

[07:07] really really emphasize and focus on it

[07:09] you know there's there's a series of

[07:11] studies as you well know this doctor

[07:13] said that intelligence plus self-control

[07:15] they say those are the top two

[07:16] predictors of quote unquote success uh

[07:19] and I think and there's a great book

[07:21] called willpower that proves this and

[07:22] it's a terrific book and from a young

[07:25] age I would always I would always pride

[07:27] myself on self-control I was always that

[07:29] weird kid in high school that you know

[07:30] didn't do drugs or wouldn't drink and

[07:32] always kind of follow a regimented very

[07:34] rule-based um uh trajectory which was

[07:37] hilarious when I didn't go to college

[07:39] because it would see be seen the

[07:40] opposite but I think that one of my

[07:42] superpowers is my self-control and uh my

[07:45] ability to uh be able to go long periods

[07:49] of time while doing things that

[07:50] otherwise might seem unenjoyable but

[07:52] then might uh end up with some fruit or

[07:54] result on the back end if I can add I

[07:56] mean I I love your your analysis with

[07:58] intelligence self-control one thing that

[08:00] correlates with self-control is uh the

[08:04] the trait of immediate versus delayed

[08:07] gratification right so in your case you

[08:10] decided to take one pathway which was

[08:12] away from education but yet as you said

[08:15] you're still working harder than

[08:16] everyone else you're not going partying

[08:19] because you're traveling 330 days a year

[08:21] and therefore you're delaying this

[08:23] immediate gratification hey I'm a kid

[08:25] let me have fun let me buy the Camaro or

[08:27] whatever the cool car is today the

[08:29] Mustang and because I have to work now

[08:31] in my case I stayed in University till I

[08:34] was 29 before I finished my PhD so I am

[08:38] delaying gratification at any moment I

[08:40] could have said well hey I just finished

[08:41] an MBA I could now go out and make

[08:44] $150,000 no let me delay let me DeLay So

[08:47] I think I would add to intelligence

[08:49] self-control a correlate which would be

[08:52] delayed gratification and that by the

[08:54] way has huge impact for example on your

[08:56] savings pattern right so people who

[08:58] score higher on delayed gratification

[09:00] are more likely to save for a rainy day

[09:03] rather than I get the paycheck I spend

[09:05] it on Thursday the day that I receive it

[09:07] so right up your

[09:09] alley yeah no I completely agree and I I

[09:13] would say I'm high in the traits of

[09:14] delayed gratification because a lot of

[09:17] what we work towards at turning point is

[09:19] we are trying to build towards something

[09:21] that is years or decades down the

[09:23] Horizon right and and and so again that

[09:26] is not I would say in the west we have

[09:29] become very immediate gratification

[09:31] focus and not delayed gratification

[09:32] Focus it's a huge regression over the

[09:35] last couple of years and decades and I

[09:36] think it's also uh one of our problems

[09:38] with our economic condition in the west

[09:40] right now is that we are afraid of any

[09:42] sort of recession or any sort of Hiccup

[09:44] economically that we must turn the money

[09:45] printer on immediately and flood the

[09:47] Zone with cheap money but anyway U it's

[09:49] been an it's been a remarkable learning

[09:51] experience and journey at Turning Point

[09:52] USA and turno action then we have the

[09:54] podcast and the radio program I'm an

[09:56] entrepreneur we have 600 people on staff

[09:59] we have

[10:00] great impa every single day and so and

[10:02] then we we write books in the in the

[10:04] nights and weekends I want to talk I

[10:06] want

[10:07] to do a deep dive into the book in a

[10:10] second but I just want to say as a as a

[10:12] shout out to Turning Point USA I was

[10:14] fortunate enough to be invited by you to

[10:17] the one that was held in December I mean

[10:20] my goodness that was a rockstar

[10:21] operation I remember I mean I've spoken

[10:23] in front of a lot a lot of large crowds

[10:25] but I've never spoken in front of like a

[10:28] a a man fervor Stadium of I don't know

[10:31] 12,000 15,000 enthusiastic people it I

[10:35] mean really it's just it's remarkable

[10:37] for for for 15 or 20 minutes or however

[10:40] long that that uh talk was I felt I was

[10:43] the Rolling Stones I mean it was

[10:45] unbelievable you were MC Jagger I was MC

[10:48] Jagger except I don't get as many girls

[10:49] as him but

[10:51] yes that's right no and that's a that's

[10:54] a great example of where we brought it

[10:56] disruptive I can't stand that word

[10:58] because it sounds so silicon Val but it

[10:59] it is the correct term disruptive where

[11:02] the previous conservative events were

[11:05] boring and they'd be in like old Hilton

[11:08] and the AV wasn't spectacular and I said

[11:10] okay for those of us and again the word

[11:12] conservatives just a filler term for not

[11:14] woke and decent Americans so I I I would

[11:17] always say to our team if we believe our

[11:20] value system is better than the bad guys

[11:23] why are our Aesthetics so bad our

[11:26] Aesthetics must also be beautiful and

[11:28] must also be excellent because we have

[11:30] five senses and it's not just that we're

[11:32] trying to win the argument we're trying

[11:34] to show a whole of being approach that

[11:38] can have excitement depth that can move

[11:41] you on a spiritual level and we do that

[11:43] at our events and uh there the Envy of

[11:46] the entire movement people are wondering

[11:47] how we do it and I'll tell you it didn't

[11:49] start that way the first event we did

[11:52] was 80 kids in a holiday in express in

[11:55] West Palm Beach and I barely was able to

[11:57] pay for it and we had a slideshow and

[12:00] like two speakers and it was awesome and

[12:03] I remember I said just wait you know 10

[12:06] years from now let's see how those

[12:07] events are and now uh they are the

[12:09] biggest boldest and most impactful in

[12:11] the country unbelievable okay let's talk

[12:13] give us a synopsis because today we have

[12:15] unfortunately you have a very busy

[12:16] schedule so we only have about 30 40

[12:18] minutes so I really want to be able to

[12:20] cover some of the key points in your

[12:21] book right-wing Revolution how did you

[12:24] decide to write it how is it different

[12:26] from other anti-woke books and so on so

[12:29] forth or take it

[12:30] away yeah so uh the first we don't spend

[12:33] a lot of time on diagnosing the problem

[12:35] you've done incredible scholarship on

[12:36] this and I couldn't compete we we

[12:38] basically about 10% of the book is

[12:40] saying what is the woke mind virus you

[12:42] know where does it come from nihilism

[12:44] postmodernism post structuralism

[12:46] deconstructionism kind of a blend of all

[12:47] that I I I will say that the woke is a

[12:50] group of people that complain until they

[12:52] control it's largely a means of control

[12:54] of destabilization and trying to um use

[12:57] complaining as a means to an end however

[12:59] that that's not my Lane that's not my

[13:01] expertise I'm not a PhD I'm not a

[13:02] scholar I know it well enough to be able

[13:05] to converse on it but it it's not not my

[13:08] expertise I am however an entrepreneur

[13:10] and an activist and that's where 90% of

[13:12] the book is emphasized of what can

[13:14] actually be done uh be done on the micro

[13:16] level be done on the macro level from

[13:18] building new institutions from improving

[13:21] your own self um from getting off of

[13:23] social media to this is the Honeybadger

[13:25] element in the book which is caring less

[13:28] about what they call call you that

[13:29] there's a whole chapter on this and also

[13:32] we talk about how we as non-woke

[13:35] individuals we actually have a lot more

[13:37] power than we realize more political

[13:40] power we have more economic power we

[13:41] have more power to be able to counter

[13:44] their um their advances in society and

[13:48] the reason we do not do it is not

[13:50] because of our numbers but it's because

[13:52] we lack the will and that is where I

[13:54] spend a lot of time examining why we

[13:57] have allowed these parasitic ideas this

[14:01] virus that's this civilizational

[14:03] bacterial rot to continue and I I really

[14:07] believe that it's because we westerners

[14:10] have prioritized comfort and the ease of

[14:13] the Modern Life over the necessity of

[14:16] conserving what is good true and

[14:17] beautiful and then a lot of the book is

[14:20] about my own personal story of what I

[14:22] have personally done and challenging the

[14:24] audience asking them to get off the

[14:26] couch stop complaining and to go do

[14:29] something actively in this culture war

[14:32] and that's the number one question I

[14:34] receed from people and that's why we

[14:35] wrote I wrote the book one else is that

[14:37] people are struggling well what do I do

[14:40] what do I do I totally agree I know that

[14:42] the woke are bad but what do I actually

[14:44] do and so there's a call to action of We

[14:46] need to go found a hundred new colleges

[14:49] in the next five years in America we

[14:51] have to figure it out and they have to

[14:53] be like in the University of Austin

[14:54] Hillsdale model we have to defund these

[14:56] major institutions from a taxpayer level

[14:59] and we go about the actual lawmakers

[15:01] that are resisting it the places in the

[15:03] states for example Oklahoma Missouri

[15:04] Kansas we have a whole battle plan in

[15:06] the book of how that can happen

[15:07] legislatively so I'm just touching the

[15:09] surface on this Dr sad but I felt my

[15:12] service to the anti-woke um resistance

[15:16] if you will was much more in the

[15:18] activism and in the entrepreneurial

[15:20] space than just criticizing what where

[15:23] do these ideas come from because I

[15:24] believe that scholarship has been done

[15:26] thoroughly obviously you played a big

[15:27] role in that the action is where we've

[15:29] really been lacking oh that's fantastic

[15:31] because I by the way I also receive

[15:32] often times this kind of helpless sense

[15:36] I agree with you 100% but I'm just a

[15:39] little guy I just do I'm a bus driver

[15:42] I'm a this I'm a that so there's always

[15:44] some uh sense of helplessness as to how

[15:47] given the fact that I'm a small guy I

[15:50] don't have Joe Rogan's platform I'm not

[15:52] an entrepreneur like Charlie Kirk I'm

[15:54] not some fancy Professor what can I do

[15:56] and so it's I think you're really

[15:58] feeling a really important Niche by

[16:01] giving people a set of recipes

[16:03] prescriptions of to empower them so

[16:05] that's fantastic if we can anything else

[16:08] you want to add about the book or can we

[16:09] move to a few other no no I I it's great

[16:12] let's let's move on to other stuff

[16:13] that's fine it's great okay but please

[16:14] folks right-wing Revolution get it it's

[16:17] a good one I haven't read it yet I just

[16:19] read uh first couple of pages it's

[16:21] gripping you really want to get it okay

[16:23] uh tonight we've got a little uh boxing

[16:26] match going on between an a avocado

[16:30] brain and a rather Ambi uh energetic guy

[16:35] uh one is called Biden the other is

[16:36] called Trump care to give us any of your

[16:39] uh astute predictions Mr

[16:42] Kirk well and everyone knows uh my

[16:45] biases I'm very close to president Trump

[16:47] and he's a friend and he's been very

[16:48] good to me throughout the years he's

[16:49] been a big part of My Success um

[16:52] predictions boy that's difficult to say

[16:54] I I think that Joe Biden will surprise

[16:55] some people he's had 10 days to rest and

[16:58] I will say this Dr said that if he gets

[17:00] through all 90 minutes of this debate

[17:01] it'll be one of the greatest

[17:02] accomplishments in American chemistry in

[17:04] the modern era I have I I I I I want to

[17:07] know the recipe I want to meet the man

[17:10] and he deserves a

[17:11] prize man implying that women are not

[17:15] hard enough to be in science I'm I'm

[17:17] gonna tape that and run it throughout

[17:19] all my social media racist sexist you

[17:21] should and I I will retweet it and I

[17:24] will say that is correct uh so uh so

[17:28] it's it's it's the uh the man or woman

[17:32] doctor said or wait hold there's more

[17:33] than that uh the thank you right right

[17:37] okay we must we must police our own

[17:39] speech that puts that that that chemical

[17:42] cocktail together I do find it

[17:43] fascinating and I want to make sure we

[17:45] emphasize the framework uh in America

[17:47] having a debate this early is unheard of

[17:50] uh usually debates are in the fall to

[17:52] have a summer debate is is really

[17:54] unprecedented has not happened in the

[17:55] modern era Donald Trump did what Donald

[17:57] Trump does he put out on social media I

[18:00] will debate Joe Biden anytime any place

[18:02] not thinking Joe Biden would actually

[18:03] call the bluff Joe Biden has seen some

[18:06] very negative poll numbers in the last

[18:08] couple of months the conviction of

[18:09] Donald Trump which is ridiculous and it

[18:12] is Sinister and it is unprecedented and

[18:14] it is evil we should not be locking up

[18:16] uh former oppos former president let

[18:18] alone opposition political leaders on

[18:19] madeup crimes right before an election

[18:21] it is direct election interference his

[18:24] poll numbers went up after that believe

[18:26] it or not in certain States so therefore

[18:28] Joe Biden an act of desperation he is

[18:30] looking at tonight as a way to try and

[18:32] tighten the race and get it within the

[18:34] margin of error um my advice to

[18:36] president Trump both publicly and

[18:38] privately is a tie is a win here you're

[18:41] already doing very very well in the

[18:43] polls they're going to try to create you

[18:45] into a caricature that uh is not is not

[18:48] who you really are which is that you're

[18:50] going to be interrupting or that you

[18:51] won't be stable or balanced uh and I

[18:54] think Joe Biden has a lot more to lose

[18:55] than Donald Trump Donald Trump I think

[18:58] will surprise a lot of people in his

[18:59] ability to navigate both the adversarial

[19:01] modor moderators and also some of the qu

[19:04] and the back and forth of Joe Biden but

[19:06] I I anticipate Joe Biden to be able to

[19:08] get through the debate I anticipate him

[19:09] to be able to you know somewhat answer

[19:12] questions he has uh decayed greatly in

[19:14] recent years president Trump will be at

[19:17] his best if he is able to emphasize the

[19:19] obvious that the first time since 1892

[19:22] we have two independent presidential

[19:24] terms backtack that we are able to judge

[19:27] in the 1892 presidential election was

[19:29] Benjamin Harrison V Grover Cleveland

[19:31] Grover Cleveland won the 1884

[19:32] presidential election he was displaced

[19:34] from power in 1888 when Grover when

[19:37] Benjamin Harrison won he ran for

[19:38] president again and ended up winning the

[19:40] only president to serve non-consecutive

[19:41] terms here in the states I believe

[19:43] President Trump will be uh will do the

[19:46] same uh in the sense well hopefully

[19:47] he'll win I'm not guaranteeing anything

[19:49] but that is the sort of message saying

[19:50] hey look how good things were look how

[19:52] bad they've become and now look at the

[19:55] path forward and finally um I believe

[19:57] that if president Trump advice to him is

[20:00] reminding swing voters and independent

[20:01] voters how Joe Biden has embraced the

[20:04] worst elements of what you and I would

[20:05] call the woke Dr sad but this radical

[20:08] anti-reality anti-truth agenda that is

[20:11] now running the federal government I

[20:12] think it is very persuasive for people

[20:14] in the middle wow uh sticking on the

[20:18] issue of Trump versus Biden I opened up

[20:20] a recent talk that I delivered uh in

[20:24] Toronto with the following uh

[20:27] stats uh

[20:29] 2020 uh among the American Jewish vote

[20:33] it was 68- 30 for Biden so it was a 38

[20:39] Point differential among American Jews

[20:43] for uh

[20:45] Biden poll that just came out you know a

[20:48] couple of weeks ago showed it 61 to 23

[20:53] for Biden so the exact same 38 Point

[20:56] difference the numbers have changed but

[20:58] the the difference is the exact same now

[21:01] the reason why I'm saying this Delta the

[21:03] Delta the reason I'm saying this is

[21:05] because someone recently asked me on

[21:07] their show in my 30 plus year career as

[21:11] a professor and a behavioral scientist

[21:15] what is the singular human phenomena

[21:17] that has most surprised me and my answer

[21:19] was the inability of people to change

[21:23] their minds in light of incoming

[21:26] evidence that suggest that they should

[21:28] perhaps change their minds and here

[21:30] you've got

[21:31] 6830 then four years happened this thing

[21:34] called October 7th happened this thing

[21:36] of orgastic Jew hatred happens which

[21:39] he's certainly facilitating he meaning

[21:41] Biden and yet it didn't move the needle

[21:45] by 1% amongst American Jews now the good

[21:47] news is that the Latino vote has moved

[21:50] the the black vote has moved but do you

[21:53] have any insight as to why it's and I

[21:56] say this as a Jewish person why it is

[21:59] that somehow the American Jews are

[22:01] impervious of any incoming

[22:05] information yes and I say this and I get

[22:07] I want to be very clear I I'm very proel

[22:10] and very pro-jewish so when I say this

[22:12] is not a criticism but most American

[22:14] Jews take social justice more seriously

[22:17] than their religion and their their

[22:20] religion has become social justice and

[22:23] you that is a fact so the more liberal

[22:26] you are in your Judaism or the less

[22:28] seriously you take your Judaism the far

[22:30] more likely you are to be attached to

[22:32] the Democrat Party no matter what and

[22:34] then the more seriously you take your

[22:35] Judaism Orthodox Judaism for example the

[22:38] more likely you are to support Donald

[22:39] Trump it is remarkable how ingrained

[22:42] this is and this is one of the reasons

[22:44] why you see the re the recurring Donald

[22:47] Trump is a fascist the rightwing is a

[22:49] full of fascists is that many Jewish

[22:52] Americans they want nothing to do with

[22:54] the quote unquote fascist party or

[22:56] anything close to that there is this

[22:58] ious problem though that uh that must be

[23:01] dealt with that some of the most

[23:03] destructive worldviews this is Dennis

[23:05] Prager who who said this by the way

[23:07] who's a committed Jew and a great man he

[23:09] said some of the most destructive

[23:11] worldviews that have been introduced

[23:13] into the west from Marxism to parts of

[23:16] nihilism deconstruction we almost always

[23:19] from Jewish intellectuals or Jewish

[23:21] philosophers um because there has been

[23:24] this yearning in uh Jewish circles to

[23:27] try and improve the World by all means

[23:30] necessary and that means through the

[23:32] state and so it is it is really

[23:35] remarkable to see though after the

[23:37] slaughter of 1,000 plus Israelis to see

[23:41] the campus protests to see how it's open

[23:44] hunting season against American Jews how

[23:47] so many liberal Jews still will say I am

[23:50] more serious about my liberalism than my

[23:53] Judaism that's the best explanation I

[23:55] can give no that's that's very good and

[23:57] by the way there there's nothing wrong

[23:59] in you saying that certainly some of the

[24:01] I mean I'm the first to say it that of

[24:03] course all the parasitic ideas come from

[24:05] University campuses and uh certainly

[24:08] Jews have been uh quite dominant within

[24:11] Academia so the fact that many of these

[24:14] idiotic ideas come from Jewish

[24:16] individuals is incontestable here's

[24:18] where the problem comes in and I I I I I

[24:21] I would so want to know from you because

[24:25] I think you're in touch with some of

[24:26] these folks how we can get them to

[24:27] change their opinion

[24:28] so I will post something that for

[24:31] example demonstrates that when it comes

[24:34] to the persecution of

[24:36] Christians Islam is overwhelmingly the

[24:39] greater the greatest danger to Christian

[24:43] Life throughout the world let alone in

[24:45] the Middle East and so on and then I'll

[24:47] always get some

[24:50] Christian I don't know how right-wing

[24:53] they are but they seem quite sort of the

[24:54] Jews won't replace us that will always

[24:57] shift the blame away from the guy who's

[25:00] coming to behead you and ultimately

[25:02] blame it on the Jews so for example if I

[25:06] show that The Grooming gangs in Britain

[25:09] here is here here's the name of the guys

[25:11] that were just caught in some town and

[25:13] every single one of them has the name

[25:14] Muhammad then someone not someone a

[25:17] thousand people will descend on my

[25:18] social media and say well that that's

[25:20] not because of Islam it's because it's

[25:23] the Jews who were uh promulgating the

[25:26] idea of Open Door policies so when three

[25:29] muhammads gang raped your daughter it's

[25:32] really Moshe that's to blame now that's

[25:34] not coming from Islamic guys that's

[25:36] coming from no you know from from

[25:39] right-wing Christian guys so then you

[25:42] almost feel helpless because rather than

[25:45] that guy saying hey let's band together

[25:48] and fight a common enemy they turn to me

[25:50] and say but you're the problem you're

[25:52] the Jew it's all because of you is there

[25:55] any way to reach those guys or do we

[25:57] just assume that they are

[26:00] irretrievable I I think there is a way

[26:02] to reach them and I don't think there're

[26:03] a majority of the western conservative M

[26:06] by any means most conservatives are very

[26:08] pro-israel and are very Pro uh

[26:11] pro-jewish life and so but I think where

[26:14] they come from is they will they believe

[26:17] and they conflate liberalism with

[26:19] Judaism which is not the same thing and

[26:22] just kind of going back to previous

[26:24] answer that there are a lot of liberal

[26:26] Jews but Judaism itself s is not

[26:28] necessarily liberal and so they'll say

[26:31] all these problems are the Jews fault

[26:33] I'll be honest that is incredibly sloppy

[26:35] intellectual thinking if you are just

[26:37] going to blame a group of people that

[26:40] are not necessarily always involved at

[26:42] all in this situation then how how does

[26:46] that exactly work and then by the way

[26:47] help me understand in the United Kingdom

[26:49] who exactly was the one doing the open

[26:51] door policy I mean I I think that it was

[26:54] actually mostly like secular former

[26:56] episcopalians that were doing

[26:58] the open door policy not not quotequote

[27:01] Jews so it is tempting but evil to blame

[27:05] a small group for the suffering of

[27:08] society and it is a copout just to say

[27:10] quote unquote it's the Jews fault right

[27:12] now I hear you and but and by the way

[27:14] let's take for example immigration well

[27:16] Stephen Miller in the United States is

[27:18] arguably the biggest anti- right he's

[27:21] Jewish god sad Canadian Jew uh is not

[27:24] for for uh open door policy and open

[27:27] immigration policy

[27:28] but what they'll say is oh but George

[27:30] Soros is the acolyte of Carl poer who

[27:35] started the movement of the open Society

[27:38] they're both Jewish and therefore so

[27:40] they look for the Jew who supports the

[27:43] ideology but never look at the jew who

[27:46] fights against the ideology so it's a

[27:48] perfect manifestation of selective

[27:50] processing to support my innate

[27:54] bigotry yeah so instead of focusing on

[27:57] what tribe or ethnic group let's focus

[27:59] on values and publicly stated beliefs so

[28:03] that's why the Islamic example is

[28:05] actually good because there are publicly

[28:07] stated beliefs and actions that are an

[28:09] existential threat to the West right and

[28:11] that is 100% a problem and then the same

[28:13] with the woke and so look I think that's

[28:15] actually one of the criticisms we give

[28:17] of the woke isn't it that they just want

[28:18] to view the world through a tribal group

[28:20] lens and so we on our side team reality

[28:24] need to resist that same Temptation on

[28:25] our side well exact listen I probably

[28:29] have more shared values with you than I

[28:32] may have with an Oberlin ultr

[28:35] Progressive Jew I may have more in

[28:39] common with Imam tedi who's a good

[28:41] friend of mine who's a Islamic Imam than

[28:44] I may have with an orthodox Jew I judge

[28:48] people as you said by the constellation

[28:49] of their character their values and so

[28:51] on so so right on okay we have only a

[28:54] couple of minutes left and then I

[28:56] regrettably have to let you go to honor

[28:58] your schedule what are some project

[29:01] right now we're we're we're promoting I

[29:04] get it right right-wing Revolution are

[29:06] there some other big projects that you

[29:08] want to take this opportunity to tell

[29:10] our audience about take it

[29:12] away yeah here in the states uh we're

[29:14] working on What's called the ballot

[29:15] chasing operation uh we believe that the

[29:18] American Democrat Party they have

[29:19] invested more money time and focus on

[29:22] the process of Elections than just on

[29:24] who wins the policy debate so our

[29:27] project which is serious project tens of

[29:29] millions of dollars uh is about hiring

[29:31] hundreds of full-time people to engage

[29:33] in that process of uh ballot chasing

[29:36] ballot harvesting were legal and

[29:38] registering voters in the United States

[29:40] it is a totally disorganized mess of how

[29:42] we do our elections it varies state by

[29:44] state and county by county uh and the

[29:46] Democrats have a a leviathan of a

[29:48] multi-billion dollar infrastructure so

[29:51] we're working on that it's TP action.com

[29:52] I will be doing my most ambitious campus

[29:56] Tour Ever this fall

[29:58] um I'll will be going to nearly 20

[30:00] campuses across the country in like 30

[30:02] days um so uh it's all across the

[30:05] country people can see the live streams

[30:07] they can watch the clips um and also our

[30:09] podcast is doing very very well and it's

[30:11] growing we do our radio program uh I'm

[30:14] sure I have other projects in addition

[30:15] to that but those are the ones that just

[30:16] kind of come to mind unbelievable keep

[30:18] doing your incredible work I can't wait

[30:21] to one day see you is it chance that you

[30:23] could be in politics am I am I going to

[30:25] someday be calling you president

[30:28] I hope not I I I'm I'm very happy I'm

[30:32] very grateful for what I have and I I

[30:34] rarely meet a happy politician rarely so

[30:37] well I tell you what though I like in

[30:39] forgive me for interrupting you in

[30:41] addition to having all of the talents

[30:43] that you have you're tall I'm not I

[30:46] could never be prime minister or

[30:48] president because unfortunately God did

[30:50] not endow me with height he endowed me

[30:52] with other qualities but I don't have

[30:54] the height you've got all those other

[30:56] things and you're massively t

[30:58] I see the White House in your

[31:01] future I I have no plans to do that but

[31:04] Dr sad if that happens you could be a

[31:06] senior adviser so deal good he said it

[31:08] people he's got to live up to it

[31:10] otherwise he is a shady politician

[31:12] Charlie Kirk what a pleasure to have you

[31:14] stay on the line so we could say goodbye

[31:15] offline thank you so much a real

[31:17] pleasure of talking to you thank you

[31:18] thank you cheers you bet