Woke Equality VS Raw Excellence—Which Makes America Great?

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[00:39] Yes, ma'am. How are you? Hello. I'm

[00:40] good. And you? My name is Leila and I've

[00:43] recently watched three videos of yours.

[00:45] Best top 10 Charlie Kirk debate moments

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[00:54] shook 2024 and I picked three different

[00:57] topics that I think are important to me

[00:59] which comes down to immigration

[01:01] affirmative action and DEI and um

[01:04] college is a scam but the one I want to

[01:06] talk to you about the most is um

[01:07] affirmative action and DEI and in these

[01:10] videos you have said quote for quote um

[01:16] white males have high test scores white

[01:18] males have or white males shouldn't have

[01:20] to be penalized. You did acknowledge and

[01:22] say that people of color come from lower

[01:25] socio socioeconomic backgrounds that do

[01:27] not prioritize education much, but

[01:29] instead of making a suggestion on how to

[01:32] help those communities and um continue

[01:35] to like build those communities up, um

[01:38] you continue to say that our

[01:39] institutions are becoming less

[01:40] excellent. And I'm confused as to what

[01:42] your definition of excellence is. Is

[01:44] that because white males aren't

[01:46] necessarily in your opinion getting

[01:47] accepted as in a higher rate even though

[01:50] they technically are because 41% of

[01:52] college admitted students are of the

[01:54] white race? It should be higher than

[01:55] that. Yeah. Based on what where are you

[01:59] getting the stat? I just want to So the

[02:01] sup it's a good question. The Supreme

[02:02] Court did a whole case on this and it

[02:04] ruled against affirmative action and we

[02:06] saw the books of Harvard. So I don't

[02:08] want to cut you off. May I know the So

[02:10] like for future reference so I can

[02:11] understand where you're coming from and

[02:12] get more context. Could I know the

[02:14] Supreme Court case? Yeah. So, it um the

[02:16] name uh it had it boy two and a half

[02:20] years ago. Um I think it was something

[02:22] out of California. I I someone look it

[02:24] up. You could use Grock or chat. If

[02:26] somebody could please look that up for

[02:27] me. Thank you. So, so we saw that we saw

[02:29] the data out of Harvard. Harvard was the

[02:32] test case and effectively I'm

[02:35] approximating but a white male had to

[02:37] get about a 30% higher test score to

[02:41] even be considered than an equivalent

[02:43] black student. And when was this over 30

[02:45] years?

[02:47] Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. So

[02:50] it was so basically for a black student

[02:52] they could do 30% worse on their

[02:54] standardized scores than a equivalent

[02:56] white student. You don't think that has

[02:57] any outside factor to do with it? Well,

[02:59] that's not the point. The point is

[03:00] whether or not But how is that not the

[03:02] point? Because I don't believe we should

[03:03] accommodate based on outside factors.

[03:05] You do? Well, I do because I believe in

[03:08] progression and I feel like you have

[03:09] stated in multiple of your videos, which

[03:11] I do have a quote. Fair enough. I'm just

[03:12] making sure we understand we disagree. I

[03:15] I don't think we should change the rules

[03:16] of the game to accommodate. What were

[03:18] the rules of the game? Well, the rules

[03:19] of the game are that you should be

[03:20] treated fairly and equally, right?

[03:22] That's an American principle and I agree

[03:24] with that completely. Got it. So

[03:25] therefore, a white male should not be

[03:28] treated differently than a black male.

[03:30] But when you come from a different

[03:32] matter, but what but the equal treatment

[03:35] or not, it's not whether or not you were

[03:36] said mean things when you grew up or

[03:38] whether your dad was a gangbanger.

[03:39] Doesn't matter. Well, I'm not saying

[03:41] that that is that's not the outside

[03:43] factors I'm talking about. It doesn't

[03:44] matter. But can I explain where I'm

[03:47] coming from? But understand, I'm going

[03:47] to finish. I'll let you talk. Equal

[03:49] treatment is regardless of any sort of

[03:51] Saab story you could put on before it.

[03:53] equal treatment test score test score

[03:56] and I completely agree with that but I

[03:58] also come from a predominantly white

[03:59] town so I understand what you're what

[04:01] you're trying to say in my district we

[04:03] have so much funding and I live in the

[04:06] Florida Keys so there's a lot of funding

[04:08] that comes to my school and you can

[04:10] drive 30 miles north and you get end up

[04:13] in Homestead where they have a fraction

[04:15] of the funding that we have and they

[04:17] don't have as much of the same um test

[04:19] like testing instructors and people to

[04:22] help them and have as much of the same

[04:24] outside resources and then you can keep

[04:25] going another 30 miles and you end up in

[04:27] Miami where all the private schools are

[04:29] and they get even more funding than

[04:31] where I come from and they and not that

[04:33] I use obviously I ended up where I am

[04:35] today because I continue to push through

[04:37] and I have the and I didn't let any

[04:40] outside factors affect me but at the end

[04:42] of the day I kept going and some people

[04:44] don't have that same ability and I also

[04:47] it it doesn't again first of all in

[04:49] Florida every public school gets the

[04:51] same amount of money okay that's there's

[04:52] there's equal funding. Yeah, but across

[04:55] the board, but you also get donations

[04:56] from the people in your community. Fair

[04:58] enough. But Florida has and I know for a

[04:59] fact that my community gets many

[05:01] donations. Florida has the most you

[05:03] could use equitable funding structure of

[05:05] any school and has universal school

[05:06] choice basically. So that's number one.

[05:08] Number two, explain to me why when we're

[05:11] admitting people for a job, should it

[05:13] just be what's on that piece of paper or

[05:15] should should race play into the factor?

[05:17] So I know that your argument is um

[05:20] mediocracy. I forgot. I don't really

[05:23] Okay. Yeah. And I know that and I also

[05:25] believe in quotas as well, but I don't

[05:27] think that it should be one in one, but

[05:29] they should go hand in hand because at

[05:31] the end of the day, if I have just as

[05:32] good as a resume as somebody next to me,

[05:35] I want to I want to understand where

[05:36] you're getting that jobs are just taking

[05:39] people because they're a woman, because

[05:40] they are black, I just want to see and I

[05:42] understand what you're trying to say

[05:44] because of, of course, with affirmative

[05:45] action and DEI that does give them an

[05:47] upper hand. But where does it say that

[05:49] you take somebody just because of that

[05:51] color? All over the place. Capitol

[05:52] Street Partners back in the summer 2022

[05:54] said that they will not hire white men

[05:56] for internships. That's one example of

[05:57] thousands I because of how many people

[05:59] are in their how many people they wanted

[06:01] to be. It doesn't again that's

[06:02] irrelevant. It does not matter if you

[06:04] have an internship and everyone is a

[06:05] white man. If they're all qualified,

[06:07] that's great. Doesn't matter if they're

[06:08] all Asian or all black. It should be

[06:10] what merit qualification gets the people

[06:13] into that position. And of course, but

[06:14] if a but if this say the school only

[06:17] wanted white people to no no good like e

[06:19] excellent qualified people and if they

[06:21] end up majority white who cares why does

[06:23] that matter? I don't think that that

[06:25] matters. I'm saying that affirmative

[06:27] action. I'm saying that but I'm not

[06:29] saying for the white male or the black

[06:30] race or the Asian race or the Indian

[06:32] race or you understand what I'm saying?

[06:34] I'm saying that it I'm saying that it

[06:36] works in favor for any race and any sex.

[06:40] It works and it does 1,000% and I don't

[06:43] understand that information. It is

[06:45] anti-white racism that was in the fiber

[06:47] of our laws that is now getting away

[06:49] thanks to President Donald Trump where

[06:51] if you were a white man especially to

[06:53] apply for internships jobs going to

[06:55] college that it was significantly harder

[06:56] to get those jobs to get into those

[06:59] practices because there were quotas that

[07:01] made it easier for people other skin

[07:02] colors with lower standards to be able

[07:04] to get those positions. We agree there's

[07:06] only so many slots in a college, right?

[07:09] There's only so many positions in an

[07:10] internship. There's only it's a it's a

[07:12] limited supply. I completely agree. It

[07:14] is scarcity. So in scarce when you have

[07:16] a scarce resource, you have to decide

[07:18] how you're going to divvy up that scarce

[07:19] resource. In a DEI model, they're going

[07:22] to say, "Okay, we're not going to do any

[07:24] more than 30% white and then we'll do

[07:26] 15%." And so you kind of come up with

[07:28] these quotas. Therefore, they end up

[07:30] saying, "Well, what happens if the 15%

[07:32] black is not qualified?" They don't

[07:34] care, which ends up happening far too

[07:36] often. or what happens if the um you

[07:38] know, can you give me examples of cases?

[07:40] Oh, yeah. Air traffic control is

[07:42] actually a really good example. We now

[07:43] have all the documents that show that we

[07:45] went on a hiring spree to have more

[07:47] black air traffic controllers. There's a

[07:49] huge lawsuit about this 15, 16, 17 where

[07:52] the standards for air traffic control

[07:53] have dropped so dramatically and you're

[07:54] kind of seeing some of the effects of

[07:56] that potentially. Um and again, it's in

[07:58] almost every single corporate practice,

[08:00] every single college institution. But it

[08:02] just kind of comes down to more of a

[08:03] moral argument that I have, which is

[08:04] that if you have something based on

[08:06] merit, I want to I I don't care if it's

[08:09] all black, all Asian, all white. It's an

[08:11] excellent group is what I want, not a

[08:14] diverse group. I care about excellence,

[08:16] not diversity. Cuz I do not believe

[08:18] diversity is a strength. I believe unity

[08:20] is a strength. I believe the pursuit of

[08:23] higher purposes is a strength. Does that

[08:25] make sense? Yeah, I do understand where

[08:27] you're coming from. I feel like I do

[08:29] agree with some of the things that you

[08:30] did just say and I may have to do some

[08:32] more research on the things that you

[08:33] said before, but I guess we can agree to

[08:36] disagree for the time being. Thank you

[08:37] for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you

[08:38] very much.