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Alex Newman Discusses the Assassination of Charlie Kirk and the Radicalization Crisis in America
Independent journalist Alex Newman joins host Stephen Gardner to discuss the tragic assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk in southern Utah. Newman, who knew Kirk personally and appeared at his summits, shares insights into Kirk's character and legacy while examining the broader cultural forces at play. The conversation explores how Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter raised in a conservative household, became radicalized during college through mainstream media, social media algorithms, and what Newman describes as systematic indoctrination disguised as education. Newman and Gardner analyze the role of hateful political rhetoric from Democrat leaders and media figures who repeatedly compared conservatives to Nazis and fascists, creating an environment where violence becomes justified in the minds of radicalized individuals.
Remembering Charlie Kirk's Legacy
Alex Newman, independent journalist and author of The Deep State, shares his personal memories of Charlie Kirk, describing their first meeting in 2023 when Kirk invited him to be a keynote speaker at one of his summits. Newman emphasizes that Kirk was the same person in private as he was on camera, kind to everyone from waiters to support staff, and genuinely funny. Newman recalls nervously joking that "you've made it in life when Charlie Kirk is your warm-up band," and Kirk's positive response that led to a return invitation.
In their last extended conversation about eight months before the assassination, Newman had Kirk on his show and asked him to describe the nature of the threats facing America. Without hesitation, Kirk responded that "this is demonic at its core." When asked about solutions, Kirk immediately focused on the education of children and the need to protect them. Newman describes Kirk as a martyr for freedom, for America, and for Jesus Christ, whom Kirk regularly proclaimed as his Lord and Savior.
The Profile of Tyler Robinson
Details have emerged about Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin from southern Utah near the Nevada border. Robinson grew up as one of two white men raised in conservative households with Judeo-Christian values. His parents remain married, with his father working in law enforcement and then construction, and his mother also employed. Robinson was not Mormon despite living in Utah's heavily Mormon region, based on references to a youth pastor rather than the terminology Mormons would typically use.
Robinson attended college and became politically engaged during the Joe Biden presidency. Just nights before the shooting, he complained to his parents about how much he hated Charlie Kirk, describing Kirk as representing evil and needing to be dealt with. His parents dismissed this as normal political discussion around the kitchen table, never imagining that within 30 hours their son would be on a rooftop with a rifle. According to the Daily Mail, Robinson was never registered to vote and had never voted, contradicting narratives that he was a Republican. In fact, he vehemently opposed his father's support for Donald Trump and rejected conservative values.
Professional Hit or Radicalized Individual
Newman expresses skepticism about the official narrative, noting that his initial reaction and that of many intelligence professionals, special forces veterans, and assassination investigators like Roger Stone was that the killing looked like a professional hit. However, he acknowledges that if the story about Robinson is accurate, it represents a disturbing pattern being replicated millions of times across America through what he calls an "incredible radicalization process" occurring under the guise of education.
This radicalization is the subject of Newman's latest book, "Indoctrinating Our Children to Death." When people ask if the title is hyperbole, Newman insists he means it literally, that this indoctrination will have deadly consequences. Robinson's trajectory from a decent family with good values to an alleged political assassin exemplifies how the educational system takes normal children and transforms them into hateful radicals through behavioral conditioning and programming rather than actual education.
The Education System as Radicalization Pipeline
Newman describes sophisticated psychological techniques deployed in schools since 1966, including "values clarification" exercises designed to undermine parental teachings. He recounts a common scenario presented to students: you're on a sinking ship with 11 people in a liferaft that can only hold 10, so who do you kill? Educators openly brag that in 15 minutes they can undermine everything parents tried to instill in 15 years.
The child's thought process shifts dramatically: "My parents are morons, my pastor's a doofus, the Bible must be fake because clearly the moral thing here is to kill somebody, therefore thou shalt not murder must be kooky." Once a child's worldview transforms to no longer understand that murder is fundamentally wrong, it's only one short step to justify killing someone labeled as a Nazi or fascist who disagrees with them. Newman warns that when this radicalization is multiplied by tens of millions, it threatens the very survival of America as a free, civilized nation under rule of law.
Mainstream Media's Role in Fermenting Violence
The discussion highlights a compilation video showing over five minutes of mainstream media personalities and Democrat leaders calling MAGA supporters Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, and the biggest threat to America. The montage includes multiple people asking "Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?" and answering "Yes, I do," describing America as already living under "fascist dictatorship" and warning about Trump being "dangerous to his core."
Nearly everyone featured in these clips has openly stated, mocked, or insinuated they would welcome Trump's death, comparing him to baby Hitler. Democrat Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett appeared on Charlemagne the God's show calling for toned-down rhetoric from both sides, but then stated, "When I say Trump is a wannabe Hitler, people should just necessarily know that I'm not saying to go out and hurt anybody." Newman points out that people clearly don't know that when they hear relentless messaging about how evil conservatives are, eventually dehumanizing them to the point where shooting them seems justified.
The Asymmetry of Political Violence
Conservative commentators on the Piers Morgan show highlighted the fundamental asymmetry in political violence. One noted the tension between honoring Charlie Kirk's legacy of unity through debate while also honoring his legacy of telling the truth that this is not a "both sides" issue. The killer murdered Kirk because he found him to be "spreading hate," a view shared by virtually every prominent Democrat.
The commentator emphasized that what caused this violence was the "utterly quotidian, utterly ubiquitous demonization of the political opposition from the left." When Democrats say the other side are Hitler and Nazis, and simultaneously teach that speech is violence, combining those two concepts signs the death warrant of prominent conservatives. Examples of alleged right-wing violence consistently prove to be from leftist sources, including a Free Palestine leftist who attempted to assassinate Governor Shapiro, and Minnesota assassinations from someone claiming to operate at the behest of Democrat Governor Tim Walz.
The speaker called for Democrats to admit they were wrong, to acknowledge that it's legitimate to vote for Donald Trump, to be pro-life, to believe there are only two genders, and that holding these views is not hateful. Only when the left takes responsibility for demonizing mainstream American views will unity be possible.
The Intimidation of Conservative Students
Newman points out that beyond high-profile assassinations, millions of smaller examples exist of left-wing intimidation. Any young conservative on a college campus will confirm they're frightened to share their views, that it requires an act of courage to contradict the narrative, even on topics everyone understood just five years ago like biological sex. There was a massive petition at the college where Kirk was speaking, begging for him to be banned from campus.
This effort to intimidate people into silence represents what Newman believes is a deliberate attempt to divide Americans and potentially trigger civil war. He released a lengthy statement two and a half years ago warning that powerful forces want to see Americans slaughtering each other, and he believes hostile foreign actors, particularly the Chinese Communist Party, are involved in stirring up division and radicalization through open borders that allowed agents into the country.
Chinese Influence and Information Warfare
Newman identifies TikTok as a prime example of foreign influence operations, noting its deep links to the Chinese Communist Party. The algorithms steer young Americans toward transgenderism and extreme radicalism in ways they would never do to Chinese youth in China. This represents a massive attack that Soviet defectors tried to warn Americans about 40 to 50 years ago, telling America they weren't in peacetime but rather surrounded by ongoing war they didn't recognize.
Gardner draws a parallel to fentanyl, noting that China hasn't fired a single bullet yet has killed more Americans than died in World War II by sneaking fentanyl through the cartels. These represent different forms of warfare America is currently losing. Newman emphasizes that massive amounts of money pour into this division, including from George Soros and large foundations, representing jet fuel being poured on the fire of American division.
Trump Calls for Soros Investigation
President Trump appeared on Fox News calling for a Department of Justice investigation into George Soros, his son Alex Soros, and the Open Society Foundation. Trump described encountering a woman at a restaurant who was clearly being paid to protest, stating "Their profession from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a RICO case against him and other people because this is more than like protest. This is real agitation. This is riots on the street and we're going to look into that."
Newman notes that several years ago, his colleague William F. Jasper wrote an article explaining how George Soros commits multiple felony criminal offenses identified in statute books, including RICO violations and funding rioting that produces violence. These are criminal acts beyond mere policy differences or political debate. When Soros funded pro-Hamas hate groups that attacked Jewish students on college campuses, it raised the question of why he would deliberately fund such chaos.
The Money Behind the Radicalization
In his book "Deep State: The Invisible Government Behind the Scenes," Newman dedicates a chapter to the moneymen behind radicalization movements. Beyond Soros, the Rockefeller dynasty provides huge funding for rent-a-mobs and radical groups like the Sunrise Movement that helped ferment the Black Lives Matter eruption in 2020. These movements don't happen organically but prey on young, radicalized, dumbed-down kids coming out of indoctrination camps, backed by massive money.
Newman notes that Bill Gates has quietly instructed the Gates Foundation to cut ties with Arabella and other large Democrat groups. While this might be strategic positioning as Gates sees political winds shifting and Americans growing tired of left-wing extremism, Newman doesn't trust Gates's motivations. Gates has funded nefarious activities including the climate movement and COVID tyranny, but Newman believes Gates's ultimate agenda is control, particularly through genetic engineering of human babies, as Gates outlined in a Foreign Affairs article titled "Gene Editing for Good."
Congressional Courage and Deep State Intimidation
When asked if any members of Congress will have the courage to question George Soros about abusing USAID, funding illegal immigration, and rigging elections through district attorney races, Newman says there's a handful who will, though you can count them on less than two hands. Many congressmen arrive with good intentions but discover how Washington really works once they're there.
Newman references his recent conversation with William Binney, former technical director for the NSA, who confirmed that intelligence agencies have every phone call, email, and text message ever sent. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer stated on MSNBC that intelligence agencies have "six ways from Sunday to get back at" the president of the United States. If they can threaten the president, what can they do to a freshman congressman or longtime senator? Those who ask the wrong questions might face ethics investigations or scandalous photos appearing in their local newspaper.
Newman concludes that while he hopes for significant questions and answers from investigations, it will require concerted effort from Americans who can't just depend on politicians to do the hard work. Citizens must apply pressure and maintain that pressure to overcome the entrenched power of the establishment swamp.
Video Transcript
So many of the details about the shooter for Charlie Kirk have come out. We're going to go into that. President Trump is calling for George Soros to be officially investigated for all of the damage that he has done to the United States of America. Uh also how the mainstream media and the Democrat party use hateful rhetoric to ferment rage, excite their base. uh to help me go through that I have Alex Newman. Alex, thank you for joining me again. >> It's great to be here. Thank you very much for having me, Stephen. >> So, uh just some background, uh Alex is an independent journalist. He is author of The Deep State and also the founder of Liberty Sentinel. They do news broadcasts. They have a free newsletter. I'll make sure to put a link down below to that. So, uh, we're we're getting the details now about Tyler Robinson here in, uh, the southern part of Utah as the killer, the assassin of Charlie Kirk. This is horribly sad. Um, I want to get into some of the details that are just coming out about this, but my my understanding, Alex, is that uh, you knew Charlie, uh, you guys interacted. Tell me just a little bit of background, your experience with Charlie Kirk. >> Yeah, thank you, Stephen. Yeah, this hits really close to home. Um, uh, I first met Charlie in, uh, in person, at least in 2023. He asked me to be the keynote speaker at one of his summits and, um, you know, in interacting with him, it became clear to me, uh, very quickly that the guy you see on TV, the guy that you see on YouTube is the same guy in real life. He he was kind to the waiters, to the support staff. Uh he was just funny and uh it was a little bit nerve-wracking for me. You know, he asked me to go up right after he did to speak about education. I didn't quite know how to handle that. So, I started off with a joke and I wasn't sure if it would go over well. I said, "You know, you've made it in life when Charlie Kirk is your warm-up band." And um and I didn't know if he was going to laugh or or or be infuriated, but he he cracked up with everybody else and and even invited me back to do the the same thing next year. Um, and I I just I I think he's a martyr. He's a martyr for the cause of freedom. He's a martyr for our country. He's a martyr for Jesus Christ, who he often and regularly proclaimed as his Lord and Savior. Um, this is a a tremendous loss, not just for, you know, the conservative movement or MAGA or whatever. This is a loss for for our whole country, for the youth of this country. But I hope and I pray that um something good will come out of it. the last time we had a long conversation. I had him on my show um maybe eight months ago or so and I went back and watched it again because it was the last time we had a real talk. I mean other than just brief interactions backstage and stuff and I asked him Charlie describe the the nature of the threat we're facing here and he didn't even hesitate. The first words that came out of his mouth were this is demonic at its core. And I asked him the the solutions to these problems we're facing and the first subject that he addressed was the education of our children. We've got to protect them. Um, so he he was a giant. There's nobody that can fill his shoes, but I'm grateful that I had the opportunity to know him. I I know he's been on your show, too. And just giant hole in our country today. >> Yeah. Um, let me let me get into some of that uh that you just mentioned. So, this Tyler Robinson uh grows up in southern Utah down by the Las Vegas uh Utah or the sorry, the Nevada Utah border on your way to Las Vegas. Um, these stories are really interesting. So, uh, two two white men, both raised in conservative households. Um, the, uh, Tyler Robinson, uh, appears to have been raised, at least with Judeo-Christian values. I don't believe that he's Mormon. Uh, Utah has a large Mormon population, but based on saying uh, his youth pastor or his spiritual uh, leader, that that's not the way that Mormons talk about each other. or they would have said a bishop or something like that, but I could I could be wrong. Um, but uh so he he's raised his parents are still married. His dad uh was in law enforcement now in construction. Uh his mother works. Uh then he goes off to college. Um and uh during the Joe Biden presidency starts to get into politics. Uh we now know that uh just a few nights before the the killing that he was complaining to his parents how much he hated Charlie Kirk, that Charlie Kirk represented evil to him, that Charlie Kirk uh was somebody that he disliked very much, felt like his opposing view to his new views uh needed to be dealt with. Of course, to them this is all just, you know, kitchen table banter. They don't realize that, you know, within 30 hours he's going to be on a rooftop shooting. How do you think this happens? I is this uh you start getting into politics and Tik Tok and the mainstream media and and the influences uh start to creep in. What What are your thoughts on that? >> Well, there there's so many things to say here, Stephen. I'll start by saying that I still remain somewhat skeptical of the story that we're hearing. It may be true. I I don't know. But uh the one of the first things that crossed my mind when we saw what we all saw was that sure looked like a professional job. Um and I know very intelligent people uh people who've been in special forces, people who've investigated assassinations for a living. Uh Roger Stone, who's written two New York Times bestselling books about assassinations, high-profile assassinations, all concluded early on that this looked like a professional hit. Um and so, you know, I I think we'll have to see where this goes. But the what we're learning about this young man is unfortunately being replicated times a million all across this country. Uh and that is an incredible radicalization process that's taking place under the guise of education. It's actually the subject of my latest book indoctrinating our children to death and and people ask me is that hyperbole? What do you mean indoctrinating our children to death? And I said no I mean that in the most literal sense possible. This will have deadly consequences like you can't imagine. And uh if we're being told the truth about this story so far, which we maybe we are, um it would be a perfect example of that. You have a a young man who was raised by decent honorable parents, who was raised with good values, who because of the influence of what passes for education, I won't even call it education because it's not, but what passes for education, it's really behavioral conditioning, uh, programming, um, just indoctrination at large, um, is taking otherwise perfectly decent, normal children from good families and turning them into hateful radicals. And we're seeing this even beyond just the murder. We're seeing this in the aftermath as all these people are taking to social media and cackling and celebrating that a a dad of young children was brutally murdered. It's it's unfortunate, Stephen. It's a problem that's systematic. Uh I think we're we're going to see much more in the years ahead if we don't get a handle on this. And it's heartbreaking because it's happening to so many families across this country that they're losing their children because they didn't realize what was happening under the guise of education. >> Yeah. You know what's interesting is, you know, you have Democrats that are increasingly becoming more anti-family, anti-nuclear family, pro-s single mothers, pro-abortion. Uh so they're they're having far fewer children. They mock marriage. They mock uh the beauty of becoming a parent. At the same time, they're going to run out of people. So they either need illegal immigrants or they start to hijack your child's mind. and and I mean a lot of the uh I call them goblins that have been on Tik Tok and and Twitter uh celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Many of these are school teachers. Many of these are in the education system. Many of these are in the medical uh establishment. Uh and and that is uh very scary. Now, one of the big stories going out is, okay, this was obviously a Republican. Uh, well, according to the Daily Mail, uh, he did not like Republican values, even though his parents are registered Republican, which most people don't know in Utah, when you get into politics, you're automatically registered a Republican, and then you have to do the effort of switching to the Democrat party. his dad was a Donald Trump supporter and he was vehemently against Donald Trump and against Charlie Kirk and he was never registered and he had never voted. So, um, want to put that baby to bed that he this was not some raging Donald Trump fan who suddenly decided that Charlie Kirk was evil as he got into politics based on conversations with his parents. uh he very much disliked conservative values and so I just wonder how much of uh the mainstream media, Tik Tok, things like that start to influence you. I did want to show uh one thing here uh on the on the uh show. Let me see if I can pull this up. Oh, it looks like I've uh not brought it up, but basically someone put together a superset of over five minutes of the mainstream media calling MAGA people Nazis, MAGA people fascists, that they are the most evil uh uh people in our country, that conservative Christians are killing the country, that if you are a Christian or a conservative, you're automatically a white supremacist, that you are evil, you are the worst thing. Joe Biden, the biggest threat to our country are Republicans. Over and over again, year after year after year, at some point, if you're tuned in and you believe that that is real news versus propaganda, you you would automatically start to believe those thoughts. Absolutely. Absolutely. And and then you combine that with the uh dangerous worldview that's being instilled in children across this country through education, through social media, through media, through the algorithms, through the textbooks. Uh where essentially life has no value. Uh your your life is no more valuable than your pet goldfish. Uh there is no uh purpose in life other than just seeking pleasure. And these evil Republican Nazis are trying to interfere with your ability to have pleasure. Um, you know, I it's only logical when you believe those kinds of lies from the pit of hell that you act out or at least that some people act out in ways that seem crazy to those of us who do have a moral framework, to those of us who do live in the real world, where Trump is not actually a Nazi, where Trump is not actually literally Hitler. Um, and you see this from the earliest ages, right, in entertainment, in education, and even in social media. uh this kind of grooming of people like what would you have done if uh baby Hitler was there? Would you have killed? I mean there's they're planting these thoughts um and and they use a whole bunch of very sophisticated tools to break down the values that parents try to instill in their children. Uh one that they started deploying in 1966 in the United States. It's called values clarification. Um and it actually sets the stage for exactly what we're seeing here. You combine it with false information, it leads to atrocity. So what they say to these young people, and they did this to me when I was in school, uh is, hey, you're on a a ship. your ship is sinking and uh now there's 11 of you in the life raft but the carrying capacity is only 10. So who are you going to murder? Who are you going to kill so that the rest of you can survive? Uh and what happen they brag about this. They say that in 15 minutes they can undermine everything that parents tried to instill in their child in 15 years. What happens is the child says huh my parents are morons. My pastor's a doofus. the Bible's got to be uh fake because clearly here we have a situation where the moral and ethical thing to do is to kill somebody and therefore thou shalt not murder must be kooky. And so in a fraction of a second there they they manage to transform a child's entire worldview. And once you get to that point where you no longer understand that murder is wrong, that murder is evil even of people who you disagree with, then it's only one short step to say, "Well, hey, maybe I'll kill that guy because he's a Nazi. He's a fascist. He disagrees with me. And so we're sitting on a powder keg, Stephen, that that quite literally threatens the very future of our country. And I'm not trying to be melodramatic here. When you multiply this radicalization by tens of millions, uh it will be very difficult for our country to survive in a state of freedom and civilization and rule of law if we don't get this under control. >> Yeah. Okay. I think I found that clip. Um if it has music, I'm going to edit this out. If not, then uh let's let's watch this. I just don't want to get a copyright, but let's go. Here we go. >> Let me ask you tonight, do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? >> Yes, I do. >> This is what kicking the out of fascism looks like. >> Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the fascist chaos that's been unleashed against us. So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism, a huge component of fascism is uniting racism, bigotry, a form of racist nationalism. >> This is we are now living in a fascist dictatorship. >> We are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country. We're worried about our democracy falling to an authoritarian and potentially fascist form of government. not only to roll over to Donald Trump's will, but to roll over our democracy and allow him to take over this country as a fascist dictator. >> When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here. >> The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Millie, said, "No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist to his core." >> Wow. Uh, imagine hearing that over and over and over again. Um, I just want to point out uh I I believe everyone on this screen except for maybe Kla Harris has basically openly said or mocked or insinuated that they would love Donald Trump to die um to to be taken out to be the baby Hitler. Uh and yet they compare him uh to Hitler on a regular basis. Um in in fact um I I saw this and I know for a fact I can't show this because of copyright, but Democrat Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett uh she was on Charlemagne the God show and she said um we've got to tone this down. Both both sides uh need to not use violent rhetoric. But then she says, "When I say Trump is a wannabe Hitler, people should just necessarily know that I'm not saying to go out and hurt anybody." But they don't they don't obviously know that. All they hear is over and over and over again how evil these other people are and pretty soon they're not a human, therefore you can shoot them in the neck. Your your your thoughts on this radicalization through the mainstream media? >> Yeah. And the the radicalization through the mainstream media is one of the critical components of what we're facing as a nation. You know, they get prepared to be susceptible to this kind of indoctrination and propaganda through a a dumbed down so-called education. And then when you hear this relentless propaganda and you don't have traditional tools that we associate with thinking, logic, reason, ability to sift through evidence, um, you end up with this unbelievably absurd situation where a bunch of people who actually think like fascists think they're going to hurt people, kill people to stop fascism. And and and let me explain here, right? Obviously, fascism as defined by Benito Mussolini, the ultimate fascist was the merger of state and corporate power. Uh that's essentially what the Democrat party stands for today, right? The government and the big corporations are going to work together to supposedly make life better for everybody, right? But what what are the hallmarks of fascism? Well, one of them is you must silence anybody who disagrees with the master plan of the people bringing together big government and big corporations. It's literally the ideology that these people are espousing. massive pet ju just now at this college that Charlie Kirk was speaking at. Massive petition uh begging for him to be banned from appearing on the college. Why would you want to silence the guy? Why can't his views be discussed? It's because these people are thinking like fascists. And in an incredible twist of irony, they justify this to themselves by claiming that they're fighting fascism. So that's how uh uh absurd the situation has become. And I think what we've seen in the last few days uh shows you just a little inkling of the danger that we're going to see in the years ahead if this problem is not dealt with. 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Yeah, it's interesting. the uh one of the main talking points in the last 12 months is uh that Donald Trump will destroy democracy, that Donald Trump is the single greatest threat to democracy. I find it hypocritical though that Democrats were like, "Oh, we we actually had to destroy democracy in order to have democracy, right? Like they didn't go through the democratic process with Kla Harris. We had to destroy America in order to save America. we flood it with 20 million illegal immigrants that don't think like Americans, don't have the same values, the same thinking, the same Judeo-Christian beliefs. So that, you know, this this hypocrisy uh runs really deep. Now, uh going back to the the situation with Charlie Kirk, uh some top conservative uh commentators were on the Pierce Morgan show and they're all trying to work through this situation like the rest of us. But I I thought it was really insightful. Let me play that and then we'll react to it. >> I'm finding myself very caught between on the one hand wanting to honor his legacy of um unity through debate and coming together to take down the temperature and then wanting to honor his legacy of telling the truth. And the truth is this is not a both sides issue. The killer killed him, according to police reports, because he found Charlie Kirk to be spreading hate. This is a view shared by every single prominent Democrat. Yes, there are people on Blue Sky advocating for violence. But what actually caused this was the utterly quotidian, utterly ubiquitous demonization of the political opposition from the left and it has just led to violence because they said the other side were Hitler and Nazis. They said that speech is violence. To combine those two things together is to sign the death warrant of prominent conservatives. And that is what we are seeing again and again and again. And it is utterly facitious to suggest that there is any comparison between political violence on both sides. Every example they bring is not actually showing that. Whether it's Governor Shapiro whose attempted assassination was from a free Palestine leftist or whether it was the Minnesota assassinations which were from somebody who said he was operating at the behest of Democrat Governor Tim Walls. There is a culture among Democrats at the highest level to suggest that their political opposition are a danger and that suggests that their lives are forfeit. And I want to come together. I do. I love what Shank said. It brought tears to my eyes. I had to reach for a tissue while you were playing Charlie's words. But at the same time, we cannot unite with people who are lying to our faces about who we are, who will not take responsibility for the fact that they suggested that we are Nazis because of totally legitimate views that reflect the majority of Americans. So what I say is let the left say we were wrong. It is legitimate to vote for Donald Trump. It is legitimate to be pro-life. It is legitimate to believe that there are only two genders and we were wrong to suggest that that was not the case. We were wrong to say that that is hateful. When they say that, I am waiting with open arms to take down the temperature. >> Two two things that stood out to me. Um the the first one is that Democrats have been telling their people that speech is violence. It's not. There there is a difference between violence and violence, right? Like Charlie Kirk was known for having some pretty heated debates, but I mean people challenged him to fist fights. Let me take you out back and he was like, I don't want any violence. Like this is debate. You are happy to have your opinion. I'm happy to have mine. And the other one was that this is only one-sided and that it's the right. The right is the violent, but it's our president that's been shot at. It's Charlie Kurt that's been killed. you you start digging in and you start realizing that it it's not conservatives killing each other. It it's Democrats that are fermenting this rage on the mainstream media. What what stood out to you? >> Yeah, exactly what you said and and those are the really big examples. You can find millions of smaller examples. Go talk to any young conservative on a college campus and they will tell you they are frightened to share their views. They will tell you that it takes an act of courage to go out and say anything that contradicts the narrative. Even things that 5 years ago everybody understood like a man is a man or a woman is a woman. Um and so what we're dealing with here is an effort to uh intimidate people into silence. What we're seeing here is an effort, I believe, to divide Americans on purpose. And uh frankly, I've been very concerned with some of this rhetoric that we're seeing in terms of the celebration of what just happened. Uh I do believe and I I put out a very long statement about two and a half years ago that there are powerful forces that want to see a civil war in this country. They want to see Americans slaughtering each other. Um and I believe there are actually hostile foreign actors involved here too. I don't think this is all domestic. I think the the CCP uh is involved in stirring up division and a radicalization in our country. I believe that with the open borders, we got a lot of these agents in our country. uh huge amounts of money pouring into this including for people like George Soros and some of these big foundations. Uh there is an effort to pour jet fuel on this fire and uh and what she said is absolutely correct. The the violence is almost all coming from unhinged voices that have been radicalized on the left by sinister forces behind the scenes using tools like education, like media, like social media. You know, Tik Tok is such a good example of this. Tik Tok uh uh uh like huge huge links to the Chinese Communist Party. And you look at the things that the algorithms are steering these young people into. It's not just transgenderism, it's radicalism like you can't imagine. They don't do that in China, right? Uh it's only here with Americans and across the Western world. So I I do believe that we're facing a massive attack as some of the Soviet defectors tried to warn us 40, 50 years ago. Uh America, you think you're in in in a peacetime situation, you're not. You just don't understand that the war is raging all around you and you better pay attention. >> Yeah. I mean, you could say the same thing of fentinel, right? Like China, they haven't gone to war or fired a single bullet yet. They've killed more people than World War II by sneaking fentinel in through the cartels. Like we're This is just different war uh that we are at. But to to equate words as violence, I mean, this this Tyler Robinson, I I could be wrong. Did he Did he ever go debate Charlie Kerr? Did he show up on campus and and stand in front of a mic and say, "Here's why I think you wrong." Like, you're wrong. The the the very guy I watched over on CNN, the guy that was asking the question about mass shootings uh and and violence, he's like, "I'm very opposed to Charlie Kirk. I did it at the microphone and as I'm asking about gun violence, boom, a gun, right? You know, a bullet right through the neck and he's like, I'm horrified. Like, we should be able to talk to each other uh but we can't. Okay. You mentioned um George Soros. Um, President Trump was on Fox News saying that uh there's too many rioters and agitators in America and that they aren't using their First Amendment right of freedom of speech because it's pouring over into violence, uh, vandalism, burning stuff down and the fact that they can do it day after day after day. Who are these people? Why don't they have jobs? Why are they so violent? He now believes that they are being funded and paid uh and that it all leads back to George Soros, Alex Soros, and the open society. Let me play this clip and then we'll talk about it because I know you study George Soros a lot. >> I had one the other night. I went into a restaurant and this woman stood up. I looked at her immediately. She had money. She wasn't She wasn't serious. They get paid for it. Their profession from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a RICO case against him and other people because this is more than like protest. This is real agitation. This is riots on the street and we're going to look into that. >> He is saying he wants the Department of Justice to open an investigation on George Soros, Alex Soros, and the open societ. Your your thoughts on that. >> It's so interesting to hear him say that, Stephen, because uh several years ago, my colleague William F. Jasper, a fellow senior editor at the New American Magazine, did a whole article explaining how George Soros is committing multiple felony criminal offenses that are identified in the statute books, including RICO, including uh funding rioting that produces violence. I mean, these are criminal acts. It's not like a difference in policy or politics. when you're talking about uh breaking criminal laws that are in place for the protection of all of society, uh that moves beyond the realm of difference of opinion and political debate into the realm of criminal activity. So, I was very very thankful to hear Donald Trump say that uh it's long overdue. Uh you know, George Soros is one of many. even last year when we had the some of the crazy riots on the college campuses and the violence and the attacks on the Jewish students. Uh turned out George Soros was funding a bunch of the pro- Hamas hate groups that were running around causing this chaos on campus. Why would he be doing that? Right? Uh and and George Soros is one of many in my book uh on the deep state deep state the invisible government behind the scenes. I have a chapter on the moneymen behind all of this. George Soros is obviously one of the key ones but there are many others too. Uh, the Rockefeller dynasty is a huge source of funds for the the rent mobs that we're seeing, for the radical groups like the Sunrise movement that helped ferment the Black Lives Matter eruption that we saw in 2020. There's massive money behind these things. These things are not happening organically. Yes, they're preying on young, radicalized, dumbed down kids who are coming out of these indoctrination camps, but there's huge money behind this. And until we unravel that, we're not going to be able to rein this in. So Trump is doing something hugely significant. And folks, we need to move in this direction or our country will not heal. >> I noticed um that uh Bill Gates has quietly instructed the Gates Foundation to cut ties with Arabella uh other large Democrat uh groups. Do you think this is uh strategic? he's realizing, oh, wait a minute. I got to get my name away from these. Or do you think over time he said, u maybe these are not the best place for my money. What What do you think is going in Bill Gates mind? >> I think Bill Gates is in it for Bill Gates. And you know, he uh he he has been funding a lot of very nefarious things. Not not the same kind of things as George Soros, but things that are equally dangerous. You know, the the climate movement. I go to the UN's climate summits every year to expose the stuff going on there. Bill Gates fingerprints and money all over this thing. Uh the the tyranny that we saw in response to COVID uh so much of that was actually funded even the pretext for the tyranny was funded by Bill Gates money. Uh a lot of it is of course about making money as the Bible says the the love of money is the root of all kinds of evils and that's very true. But I think Bill Gates also has an even more nefarious agenda. He is in this for control. uh he's obsessed with this idea of genetic engineering and and you know part of it is his dad was a patent attorney his dad understood the importance of intellectual property as did Bill Gates that's how he made his fortune with computer programs having the intellectual property for that he wrote an article in in the the journal of the council on foreign relations which is like one of the key deep state groups in this country uh the magazine is called foreign affairs this was like eight years ago called gene editing for good you see you we already edit the genetics of our plants our crops we already edit the genetics of our lives livestock. Now we need to start genetically engineering people, babies. So I I think Bill Gates is an extremely dangerous character. I think he sees the political winds. He sees that Americans are sick and tired of the violence, the rioting, the left-wing extremism. Probably a little bit of a smart PR move here to distance yourself at least a little bit from this stuff. But I wouldn't trust Bill Gates of hell, as I like to call him, as far as I could throw him. >> Yeah. Okay. Final question. uh George Soros is being called in to testify about his connections to Jeffrey Epstein. Hopefully, you know, we'll get some kind of answer, but do you think any members of Congress will have the courage to say, "Oh, and by the way, why were you abusing USID? And by the way, why were you funding the illegal invasion of the United States with third world uh country citizens? by the way, why why what are you doing to rig elections in the favor of district attorneys and then pressuring them to change the law? You think anyone will have the courage to ask George Soros that? >> Uh, I think there's a handful who will. Um, you know, I know some real good guys up there. They're they're small in number. You can count them on less than two hands. Uh, but there's some people up there who have a backbone. And you know what what really makes a difference because a lot of the guys go up there with good intentions. You know, you meet them on the campaign trail before they're up there. They're they're genuinely good people. They want to do something good. Uh but then they get up there and they find out how things really work and they find out that I I just was talking to William Benny a few days ago. He was the technical director for the NSA. So they have every phone call, every email, every text message you ever did. And once you get to Washington, as Chuck Schumer said, the Senate leader for the Democrats, uh the intelligence agencies have six ways from Sunday to get back at you. It's what he said on MSNBC talking about Donald Trump, the president of the United States of America. If they have six ways from Sunday to get back at the president of the United States, what do you think they could do to a lowly freshman congressman or even a longtime senator? Uh these people have a lot of ammunition at their disposal. And uh most of the people who've been in Congress for a long time have learned the way that things work. And if you ask the wrong questions, I you can say things on the campaign trail, nobody's really going to care. But if you ask the wrong questions in a way that seriously threatens the power of the establishment, well, you might end up with an ethics investigation or a scandalous photos popping up on the front page of your local newspaper. Uh, and so, uh, there's there's a real swamp that Donald Trump has alluded to in Washington DC. So, uh, I hope and pray that we'll have some significant questions and even better some significant answers uh, from these investigations, but um, it's going to require, I think, concerted effort from Americans. We can't just depend on our politicians to do the hard work. We've got to put the pressure on and we've got to keep the pressure on. >> Yeah, I agree. Alex, thank you so much for your time. If people want to follow you and learn more about Liberty Sentinel, where can I send them? >> Uh liberty sentinel.org is the best place people can sign up for our newsletter. It's free. Just put your email in there. We'll never sell it. Um and really appreciate you having me on, Stephen. Thank you very much. Uh your your show is fantastic. I know this is a tough time for everybody, but you know, let's be in prayer and and let's make sure our country doesn't descend into the abyss. So, we need more voices like yours. And again, I'm I'm grateful for for you having me on, Stephen. Thank you. >> Amen. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Have a great rest of your day. >> You as well. Thank you, sir.