Andy Ngo Exposes Far-Left Violence Following Charlie Kirk Assassination and Media's Campaign of Lies

The world is reeling in the wake of the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Can you tell me everything that we know about the suspect, Tyler Robinson? There were engravings on the rifle cartridges that were found at the scene of this shooting. First engravings said that's not insignificant that that was written on it. You're saying the engravings are tantamount to an manifesto? I think so. How exactly? I mean, that to me suggests very strongly perhaps what the motivation is. And then what we've learned from what investigators have said, they've confirmed that left-wing media and leftwing activists spun his family background to make it seem that he was MAGA. They just lie. It's not even misinformation. It's it's lying. I found out the identity of the roommate, who's not just a roommate, it's actually a lover of Tyler Robinson named Charlie the Kirkless book at TP USA. in that event had a mob smashing up the windows. I mean, I've had an event where there was a bomb threat. This is normalized. It's a non story. We saw on blue sky seemingly progressives and they were gleefully celebrating. Not just celebrating, but actually listening other people that they wanted to see killed next. You're kidding. No, that's the theme of my reporting that all of the the far less political violence is mainstream. It's not just a fringe issue. So that that's why also I wanted to do this conversation with you is because actually no one's bloody talking about the history of leftwing violence. I think the American right hasn't woken up to this reality of what we're dealing with here. Andy, the world is reeling in the wake of the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah at the Utah Valley University at Turning Points event. the organization that he founded. He was one of the most famous, it turns out, in the world, conservative speakers and debaters. And the story that's since his death about what exactly happened and who the suspected assassin is, is shockingly is is a story in itself, which we're going to get into. But uh before we explore all of this and this the rise of far-left violence not just this year but in the preceding decade and beforehand perhaps we can start with this horrible murder. Can you tell me everything that we know about the suspect Tyler Robinson? So when I watched the press conference live in which the governor of Utah announced that a suspect had been in custody with the name released and that there were engravings on the rifle cartridges that were found at the scene of this shooting. My my jaw dropped when he Well, two things. There were four engravings. I'll go through them. Um, first engraving said, "Hey, fascist exclamation mark, catch mark." So that's not insignificant that that was written on it. And another one were the lyrics of Bellicha which is a very old Italian folk song which were used by opponents of fascism during the Second World War. All all all types of opponents. It wasn't just left-wing um opponents of fascism in Italy. There were others as well. and in the decades since has been for a very long time been appropriated by Antifa as an unofficial anthem. They sing it or chant it at their rallies. They reference it in their writings, in their social media, and on their signs and placards. And in 2019 when there was a Antifa gunman who attempted to blow up an ICE facility, he came with a homemade rifle and explosive devices in Tacoma, Washington, which is about 2 hours north of Portland, where I was living at the time. This man, his name is Villim Van Bronson. He died in the shootout um uh when he attempted to blow up a propane tank that was attached to the ice facility. Well, he has sent out a manifesto to his comrades before the attack and he wrapped up his manifesto with the same lyrics that Tyler Robinson allegedly wrote. And some of the other engravings were a reference to Sorry, just one moment. Is it alleged that Tyler Robinson wrote them or is it confirmed that they have actually been engraved? So, what what exactly is alleged that that Tyler Robinson wrote them or that they're engraved at all? They are engraved according to what investig investigators have said publicly on the record. What is alleged is that those the weapon and the rifle cartridges were operated by Mr. Robinson. Okay. Okay. So, what were the other engravings? One was a reference to furry online culture. Um, what's furry? What's that? Furry is a subculture where people dress up in animal costumes. And there is a subset within that culture where sex acts are performed in those costumes. And there's um like fanfiction that is written in this sort of fantasy where they imagine characters and themselves as animals. Uh it's very online. It's um esoteric in that from the outside it it looks just like adults dressed in like animal mascot costumes, but it's actually quite sexualized and a lot of the people involved in it are queer and trans. Uh the two cultures are there's like a lot of overlap within that. So there was a reference to a furry online um thing that was written engraved on one and then the last engraving was uh a series of arrows which was a reference to a command within the hell divers game. So the profile that is being painted from what I view as basically um a manifesto that was written in some ways on these rifle cartridges is from somebody who was deeply online into gaming culture. uh was involved in furry subculture and was familiar enough with Antifa propaganda and language that he would use the limited space he had access to allegedly to write this. What's the significance of the Hell Divers reference? It's from a video game. So, it's emerged since uh the suspect as well as his trans lover were very big gamers and they were involved in Discord channels. Sorry, I actually What is Discord? Discord is a communication platform where you can think of it similar to like Slack but in sort of a social context rather than work environment where individuals can set up private channels and people can be invited into it. So you can talk to once another and it's not public and it's very popular with gamers and young people. In fact, most of the school and mouse shooters in the last few years, it's been revealed they were very active on Discord. Huh. What do you think? Is this is that just is this is there something more significant than what you've just laid out to that fact or is it is just that generation happened to like that platform to communicate? Well, it's different in that if somebody's on those channels, those communications are private. So, it's happening within like there are many people in the channel, but if you're not in it, then from the outside, you can't see what's being said. So, it's different than like in the past. I'm trying to think of like where other people have where their social media trails revealed like they may have had a Tumblr or um Twitter accounts or Instagram accounts where what they post is public. These channels are private and the audience is curated to like their friends. Mhm. Okay. And when you said earlier that it was a manifesto, you're saying the engravings are tantamount to tantamount to an manifesto. I think so. How exactly? The antifa dog whistle first of all in calling Charlie Kirk a fascist. I mean that to me suggests very strongly perhaps what the motivation is. And then what we've learned since from what investigators have said, so they've confirmed that this is from the family who's been cooperative, the family of the suspected gunman. They said that he was leftwing and had become more radicalized to that side of the politics in more recent years. There's been reporting elsewhere, for example, in Guardian, somebody who knew Mr. Robinson several years ago back in high school where in the paint what that person's former friend stated is that Tyler was the only leftist in his family. Um, in a lot of my reporting on far-left violent extremists like like Antifa and others, some of the most violent and radical people come from conservative families or conservative areas because they're essentially converts into a political ideology. Converts are usually more zealous in religion or in political ideology. I was not surprised that the way left-wing media and leftwing activists spun his family background to make it seem that he was MAGA. Daily Beast and other publications put out on headlines he came from a MAGA family. Of course, with the suggestion, what they're trying to do is to plant this idea in the in the minds of the public is that this was actually a right-wing gunman. And there's been significant lies told over and over about the suspect in the few days since the shooting. And none of it surprising to me. I've seen it every time. Every time that there's an act of leftwing violence that is too big to ignore, it um is misdirected by legacy liberal media and as well as like huge online networks of left-wing influencers. They lie. They um they just lie. It's not even misinformation. It's it's lying is what they're doing. So immediately what I think it originated possibly maybe on Reddit but it's now been laundered into mainstream media LA Times Wikipedia in all the AI search things they're saying that the suspect's alleged reference to the Bellachow lyrics was actually meant to be ironic that it was actually a farright dog whistle. This is actually evidence that he's a farright Christian nationalist. You know what evidence they point to for that evidence? A so-called groper playlist on Spotify that's public that has five followers. Random one. One that has, as far as we know, no association to the gunman, no association to Nick Fuentes, so-called leader of the Gropers movement. So literally a random sorry can we just sorry a groper as far as I've understood it is the word is a combination of the word [ __ ] and grope is that I and it's some sort of internet far faright group who are kind of trolls slash a little bit anti-semitic a little bit neo-Nazi and Nick Fuentes is perhaps the most prominent of the have I understood that correctly my understanding I I didn't know the origin of what the how the word groper came together. But I know that's what followers of Nick Fuentes and his movement refer to themselves as. Mhm. So this playlist, it's not like it was promoted by Nick. Um, it's not like it's known to have been associated with the suspect, but nevertheless, this five follower playlist was used as evidence evidence a lie that that the that the uh engraving meant it in that way. Um, another thing that liars online pointed to, they found a random X account, literally a random one that said the username, display name I should say, was uh, AF America First Cow Bella and that I think there were maybe two posts that were supportive of Nick Fuentes on this random X account and they said, "See, uh-huh, this person used the words Bella in it and therefore That's evidence that this is actually now used by um the Goro movement. The song it's completely spirious. They know what they're doing and it's not surprising that Antifa liars would be spreading these lies, but it's been laundered into the mainstream media. LA Times interviewed a Antifa activist academic and she brought it up. She just threw it out there and the LA Times reporters just listen. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Now, it's been referenced in the Wikipedia entry on the shooting of Mr. K. Wow. So, the LA Times interview means that Wikipedia can cite it even though it was just a quote in the LA Times. Yeah, that's how it works with the ideas laundering. I've been a victim of it. You know, somebody lies or makes a false accusation somewhere and it's quoted and it's printed in either an opinion piece or written into a news story. It can even be not even in legacy media. It can be on something like by line times or something which I believe has also repeated these lies and um then now now it can be cited and then Wikipedia changed it and then they sort of Wikipedia is in it and then now it's in the it's in the Google algorithm and it's an AI algorithm. So it's what starts as sort of like a sort of hornets's nest of online trolls before very long a matter of hours it it gets onto the Wikipedia and mainstream media and Wikipedia. Yes. um this as part of their strategy now as well because when we had our pro when our our lies first collided in such a way the similar thing happened where trolls were able to accuse me because I'd promoted your book of being somehow a fascist as a as a and then that was used in media and then that got to Wikipedia. It's just like the whole the whole game is uh totally messed up and they know exactly how to play it. They do. So what are the um other lies in that around this or or do we need to go back to what we know to be true? A reporter um named Brooke Singman at Fox News reported out that from her sources, many sources, she said that the roommate of the sus suspected gunman is transgender and she was first to break that news and she was vilified and mobbed and attacked insanely on social media. They said that this is absolutely lies, made up, and it's since emerged, and I did my own independent reporting to verify it that she was completely right. Um, I found out the identity of the roommate, who's not just a roommate, it's actually a lover of Tyler Robinson named, it's a man named Lance Twigs, um, who online used the name Luna. and he wrote on his Reddit that he was on cross sex hormones, he had anti-Christian views. And now the twist, like the liars are putting themselves, they're twisting themselves into pretzels. Now they're saying, "Okay, well, even if he was Tron, so what? He wasn't the gunman." Well, it's actually relevant. investigators uh according to what's been released to the media is one of the angles that they're probing for a possible motive is if Mr. Robinson was motivated to target Mr. Kirk because of Mr. Kirk's very outspoken criticisms of transgenderism. So, it's the the the girlfriend, the quote unquote girlfriend is or partner is a male that identifies as a trans female. Yes. Right. And um they live together. Um FBI director Cash Patel in a interview today, his first sit down interview, he released some details. one, he confirmed that he alleges that Mr. Robinson had communicated on Discord about alleged plans to do the assassination. He also wrote that there was a note that was written before the assassination expressing similar plans within and that note existed within the home that was shared with the trans partner in that it had been destroyed. Mr. Patel doesn't say by who. Um, and he said that they learned this through their aggressive interview tactics. Um, I think there's a suggestion there that they're learning this information from their ongoing interviews with Mr. Twigs, who as of now has not been charged with anything. I did find it very interesting that director Patel did mention that he used that he was interviewing people who included suspects. That was his word. H uh the you mentioned the Guardian earlier. The Guardian have retracted the report they did about with an interview of the friends of the suspect. uh why did they retract and uh sort of uh re retract what they said? Did they did they say actually they got the report wrong or what do we know about their retraction? What what happened there? So I've seen this happen a lot. What happens to uh journalists who who work in liberal media if they publish something that counters some of left-wing narrative they get really relentlessly bullied as well as the publication and I would imagine that amongst colleagues that there would be animosity and pressure as well. So this was a report that was written by journalist Anna Betts for Guardian and I believe she works at the US division and she had interviewed according to her a confirmed former friend of Mr. Robinson from high school. They went to high school together and it revealed a lot of information that lined up with things that we knew then and are learning now. For example, that um Mr. Robinson was very active on the Hell Divers game. they played it together and that the reference with the arrows was likely to that. Um, the friend told the reporter that Robinson was the only leftist in his family and that's also matches with what his own family has said to the FBI. Mr. Patel said that earlier in an interview by the way. And the part that was taken out, not retracted, but taken out in an updated um version of the story is where the friend said that as far back as a sophomore year, which is the second year of high school, that Robinson had seemingly at that point been moving quite far left. That part was removed. It was updated with a line about the journalist went back to the friend after all this huge push back and now the friend says that he or she cannot recall with certainty um what Robinson's views were in high school. M h um so the suspect Tyler Robinson has apparently denied the the uh murder. Have you seen that? Yes, but that's pretty normal after there's been arrest. You you plead not guilty, right? I know it does. I mean, some people were surprised to say to to learn that because there was if you read in between the lines of what was stated by Governor Cox at the press conference and this is from reading from the criminal complaint in by the state of Utah is that he allegedly had confessed to a family member and that family member and a and a religious community member were the ones who contacted the FBI. That was actually how inconvinced him to basically um allow to be arrested because uh he allegedly considered killing himself rather than turning himself in. Right. Where did you get that from? Um I think that was from the criminal complaint. Okay. Okay. Or maybe the governor of Cox said it at the press conference. Okay. That's very interesting. So before we zoom out to some of the reaction, is there anything else about the assassination or the suspect that we need to know? It didn't happen in vacuum. Charlie Cook's TP USA team did put out a statement after he was murdered that he had received thousands of threats over the years and Mr. Kirk was not vocal about that. Unsurprisingly, for us in this space, there's this uh uncomfortable reality that we if we're effective at what we do, we are subjected to a lot of threats and you just don't talk about it. It one you're instructed not to um by your security team because it can inspire people. It can also you might say something that might reveal certain vulnerabilities in your security situation. So you just don't talk about it. You don't even acknowledge the existence of some of the credible threats. And I had been and am in that position. There's lots of stuff that the public doesn't know about um what I've gone through over the years. And Mr. Cook's events and TPUSA events in the US across the US have been really brutally attacked by anti-farm for extremists many times over the years. It happens so much that um it's considered like a norm like you for one like at the base level you should expect that somebody will come up to your table if you're tableabling and they overturn it or that they hit somebody who's at the table. That's happened so many times. smash a drink on their face. So there's been assaults from Ant TP USA many times where far left extremists or trans activists will come up, they just they go up and it's in this context where leftists feel that they I mean they openly call for their political opponents to be killed. So what's it to them to go up and flip over a table, dump a drink on somebody or hit somebody in the face? I mean, at UC Davis, a whole mob of radical, anti-un transgender, and queer activist mass announced they were going to go attack USA event and they did it. Uh, I think it was in March just this year in this video. They just, it's during the day. They just went together. They're in black block and they completely destroy the table. Campus Police is there. They don't respond. Like, this is sort of the the norm and context. And a few years before that, Charlie Cook also spoke at TPUSA and that event had a mob smashing up the windows of the building where he was at. I mean, I've had an event where I spoke in Richmond, Virginia, where there was a bomb threat that was directed. So, this is normalized. It's an onstory that this happens day in day out in the US. This this is the context of where the assassination at the Utah Valley University and what happened there. So I I want people to remember that. And looking at stepping back slightly further, there's a wider context of left-wing violence that has been escalating in the US that people are completely ignorant about, in denial about for a number of reasons. One, we see it happening now because people lie. People with power lie. People with loud voices lie. They lie in the press or they put up misleading narratives. For example, like the Daily Beast story wasn't lying about the suspect's family being MAGA, but you can see the suggestion that's lying, right? It's like they don't present the the information making the other case. They make a suggestion for any of their readers what they're trying to suggest. You know, don't don't look at the radical left that may have radicalized the gunmen. Look at his family. Look at oh, they were pro- second amendment that they were conservatives. Maybe that was the reason that the family's been was so cooperative actually that they are conservative family and they follow the law and support law enforcement that they turn over their own son. Yeah. You know, and was actually allegedly able to convince them to be allowed to turn in. Mhm. There's been many many examples where a far-left suspect wasn't turned in. For example, I just talked about Vim Bronson in Tacoma, that anti gunman. He sent out his manifesto to his friends and comrades. Now, nobody contacted law enforcement. Nobody. A few weeks ago, there was a large manhunt for the alleged ring leader of an anti-fasal in North Texas after a shooting at an ICE facility in Alvarado. A local police officer there was shot in the neck, killed. He survived, very lucky. Um most members alleged members of the cell were arrested on the spot in the days after but the alleged ring leader disappeared for many many days and he was Texas top 10 most wanted FBI most wanted millions in the state of Texas all received on the mobile phone. Benjamin Song wanted armed considered armed and dangerous contact FBI call 911 if you see him. He allegedly was harbored in a home by other comrades who kept him there. They've since also been arrested and accused formally of obstruction. So yeah, that's the contrast. But Andy, according to former President Joe Biden, Antifa is an idea. It's not an organization. You describe these groups as comrades. It's sounds awfully like they are organized. See, the thing about what Biden said is is that it's actually not true. And I know that a lot of people heard it and we're were very angry because it sounds like a denial of reality. And here's sort of the paradox. what he said is true and it's also a denial of the reality in that there was a suggestion that this threat of organized Antifa militancy or organized violent militancy from the far left doesn't really exist and that Antifa is just an idea and it's minimized but it's also true that it it is an idea but you have to really think of it similar to radical Islam or jihadist ideology ology. It is an idea. It's an idea that can manifest into organized movements that are violent or nonviolent, that are criminal, that are terroristic. It can manifest in all those ways. The cell can be as small as an individual. How many times have we seen in the UK, in America, all over the west, all over the world where the radicalized killer doing it in the name of is Islamic State or Ala Gaya or al-Shabaab, whatever was one person in in particularly in Western countries was one person who's radicalized online even they may not have even been formally connected to any cell and of course had never gone to Syria or Iraq for any type of training. So you have to think of it sort of like that way. And that's um that leads to another thing is that a lot of people have been saying are saying now and have been saying for a long time why doesn't President Trump or his administration ban Antifa? Well, you can't. You can't because it runs into first amendment issues first of all and the anti-terrorism legislation at the federal level in the US is particularly it's outdated in that it's written for an international connection. It's written in the days after in the years after 9/11 where terrorism was understood as having connection for example to the Middle East or other foreign countries. Antifa does function in part as an ideology. It's like permeated into radical left culture. And so immediately if any executive order was written, it would just be challenged on first amendment grounds in the courts. And and it would be restricted because of that. And and we don't have time to to lose. I I so I don't I don't advocate for Antifa to be banned because we don't time is of the essence. We don't have time to lose for these court battles, you know. But okay, but isn't an organization like Rose City Antifa an actual organization. So see now, yes, they are an actual organization. They are a particular example of one of the many cells that can manifest within under this banner ideology. But for many, many years now, they've wised up. They realized the risk that oh, they could actually be charged with RICO and conspiracy charges if they function as like an or organization. There were a number there were 12 people part of a SoCal Antifasel for example who were convicted in San Diego went to trial that was a case that was completely ignored by the mainstream media by the way when people say there's no evidence for organized antifa well look at that case um socal Antifa in San Diego County um so how they organized now is you see that a lot of these organized Antifa groups rose City, Antifa, a number of them, they're part of networks. They've gone quite quiet on the social media and instead they've moved into more of the model of don't publicly organize as a cell, let's say, and to instead put the propaganda and ideology out there as well as the targets and hope that one of your comrades, maybe one of your comrades involved in the cell or maybe somebody who's sympathetic to it, takes action. And so there's been a number of terrorist attacks domestic particularly on infrastructure in the last 5 years that have come under this anti-f umbrella. And the reason why how I how we can know that and I reported out because the mainstream media ignores it is that the claims of responsibility are posted on these anarchist blogs. So after the arson attack, after something's burnt down, police vehicles burnt down, or buildings that are smashed up, whoever did it allegedly will send a statement of responsibility to one of these anarchist Antifa blogs. That's where they've shifted to. They believe that it makes it more difficult to break up any cell. And there may not even be a cell. It really could just be an individual. That's the other thing, too. So this is um I mean we're so far from confronting this issue like we can't we can't even get on a consensus that violent far-left ideology is one real and too bad. We're not even at agreement with that in the US. So, right, look, it's and it's not just Antifa, right? Um, I want to explore in this conversation, we're going to look at the BLM murders and the murders done in the name of of BLM and the killings, particularly from 2020. I want to look at some of the mass shootings, particularly the trans one. You are on for a pre our last episode we did together on the the Zizians trans cult and I think they've killed five to date or five dead in in in their name and eight deaths linked to eight, sorry. And there's been attacks on ICE. We saw earlier this year the Tesla vandalisms. Yes. Attacks on police. Attacks that was disproportionately trans by the way. The Tesla firebombings and shootings. That's right. And last time you on you explaining that actually Antifa the trans identifying uh participants are at like sort of 30%. Is that right? So vastly uh disproportionate compared to the the the um national population in America. Um so look we're going to explore some of that but I want to um going back to the Charlie Kirk assassination and some of the reactions to it. So what we saw I think what everyone saw and I was in the states at the time it people were shocked not just by the assassination and a lot of normies people who don't necessarily follow the political discourse they were also shocked by the reaction not only online but of people they saw as friends kind of taking glee and and happy about the killing. We saw on blue sky a social media app I note where people left to from X because they thought X had become toxic. So they're now on blue sky and it's basically um it seemingly progressives uh who have abandoned X and they were gleefully celebrating the murder. Not just celebrating, but actually listing other people that they wanted to see killed next. You're kidding. No. So, like Trump or just other prominent conservatives Walsh, myself, Michael's libs of Tik Tok, they're just listening their fantasy of all all the people they hate who they want to see killed. Right. So, we we're seeing a lot of this that's going on. I I want to explore to you the popularity of assassination culture and and actually I've got some reports here that we'll get into. But before we go there, are these people on social media know are these sort of anonymous trolls and to what extent is it prominent people doing this? Are there people of of high society people or just when I say high society people with higher status? Is it is it just the sort of dregs of online the online world or there are there people the real people who are prominent people who are who are who are expressing such views? Um there are a lot of people in white collar jobs, attorneys, those who work in the medical profession, academics, teachers who express glee at the killing of Charlie Cook and was celebrating it. And some of them even suggested or more explicitly called for others like him to be taken out. They believe that they deserve it, they invite it, and that the world would be better off without them. That's like a quote from one of them. So, it's not just online trolls. The online trolls take it further because then now they're listening out to specific people they want to see killed and how they would like to see them killed. Again, not oneoff, not in a vacuum. Luigi Manioni, a recent alleged assassin, is a hero in instant hero celebrity to the left. Shirts made, signs made, people wear Luigi costumes to protests outside Trump events or outside Tesla. All with the suggestion that what he allegedly did was good and they hope that other people take action like that. So Luigi anjoui was is the lead suspect in the killing of Brian Thompson who's the CEO of United Healthcare. That was in December 2024. Videos out of this basically point blank almost point blank range murder in in New York City, you know, and he had allegedly wrote engravings as well on uh the bullets that we used to kill and they have become a rallying cry for the left deny depose something. I forget what it is, but all of you have heard it. So, there is a um there's not just a assassin culture on the left. There's a there's a a death cult culture on the left and he was celebrated by prominent people. I think I think the comedian Bill Burr was uh celebrating it. I believe it's in the mainstream. It's in the mainstream. That's the theme of my reporting by the way that all of the the the far less political violence is mainstream. It's not just a fringe issue. It was shocking to me when I had to accept this reality years ago in Portland. I didn't want to accept it because I I I grew up in a very leftwing city. These are the people I went to school with, worse with knew were my friends and they seemed like decent people and I didn't really accept that actually so many of them had been conditioned into dehumanizing the other side. By the other side, I mean conservatives to the point where they celebrate and hope that those on the other side are are dead and and killed in some of the most gruesome manners. Yeah. You know, I I 2020 was extremely violent in America, extremely violent in Portland, and there was a politically motivated killing there that people seem to have forgotten by an Antifa gunman in 2020 August. A Trump supporter was assassinated in downtown Portland by somebody who also left behind a manifesto on Instagram. I am Antifa, his own words. And he was celebrated and is celebrated as a hero. He died in a shootout with law enforcement after he escaped, by the way. And um the reaction from the local media or I I should step back a little bit. The reaction immediately in downtown. So there's rioting that happened. the ANCFA and BLM and left-wing activists had really large crowd had gathered outside of the justice center which is the area where they had basically turned into their occupation and where they launched many of their attacks. They announced on a bullhorn one of them that the person who was dead down the street was a Nazi and they all cheered and celebrated said that the trash was taken out. That was a quote. And then they held a dance party. They had a DJ play music from loudspeakers and they dance. These are people that I lived with and grew up with. So, what do we know about the victim? It was just a Trump supporter. It was a Trump supporter named Aaron J. Danielson. So, you documented a lot of that in your phenomenal book, Unmasked. The 19 people killed in the first 14 days of the BLM rights and 25 people killed by the end of October after the George Floyd death. Before we come to that though, I just want to get to your point about the popularity of killing on the left. So, having looked at the data that we've seen some of some political activists like Medi Hassan sort of claiming that there's more violence from the right. You see this is sim similar with someone like the other political activist Lewis Goodall and they uh make this case and I actually we're going to go through some of their cases because they are wildly inaccurate or misrepresented. Um but it's one if you actually looked at the fringes and even if you sort of came to the conclusion that that if you right on the right and left that there's political violence that's um going on perhaps in equal numbers maybe it's slightly disproportionate. What's strikingly different is the popular or the support for political violence and actually there's a this report done by Ruggers University the network contagion research institute which Charlie Kirk himself actually I actually got this information via Charlie who tweeted about this in April and and and tweeted this report and what this shows so they did a they did some polling uh of people left of center and people of right of center and they asked about whether there was justification for the murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump and for Musk 50 here it says 50% of those left of center think that there is some justification for the murder of Elon Musk right so that's that's half compared to 14.3% on right of center. And when it comes to Trump, 56% of those left of center think that there is some justification. So more than half of those on the entire left think that political violence and murder is okay in some circumstances. So it's it's one thing about what's actually going on. It's a striking difference and and and just oddly enough it's 20% of those right center I think justify that just for clarity but clearly there's a disproportionate there support on the left for this violence which is I guess is pretty striking I as an American what do you think what do you think that tells us about the state of the country or do you think that that's um do you think that's accurate or do does that sort of add up with what you've you've noticed What it tells me is that there's asymmetric warfare. What does that mean exactly? Um, we're not in a hot war, obviously, not a hot civil war, but one side is by a large margin willing to use the by any means necessary tactics. Obviously, not 50% of the of the those pulled are actually going to go out and kill somebody for a political reason, but the support is actually really really support important to the radicalization of a society. Actually, it's extremely important, which is why the left really work as a machine to make sure that that um truths that are inconvenient to them about political violence on the left is suppressed. Um that those who do reporting about it are bullied at the very least and or targeted for violence worse or deplatformed somehow. And it's their project is to mainstream support for the use of violence so that their radicals can go out and do it with impunity. And they've had a lot of success in that. you know, when this 50% figure you just um referenced from that great study, how it looks on the ground is then you can have places I'll I'll throw out Portland again, an environment where 90% more than 90% of the far less violent insurrectionists in 2020 and 2021 had their cases immediately dropped. Okay. dismissed by the prosecutor who himself a partisan at that time in an ideologue on the left. Andy, let's just unpack that. But you're referring to the insurrections that happened in Portland, Oregon of the Hatfield, Portland uh the Hatfield court case uh court house, right? Is that what you're referring to? Not that was in July. The riots went on for months and months into 2021 and the attacks happened on police stations across the city in residential areas in business districts. It wasn't just the federal the federal courthouse got a lot of attention because that it was one spot that was targeted nightly for an entire month. Right. But you use the term insurrection which you which could only really be applied to a federal building. Right. say no because the riots were in the function of insurrection against the US government. That was the point. But don't they have to? It's not an insurrection if they're not if there's not a building that they're a government building that they are. I I don't think so. I think it's a cause. It's to intimidate one the local government and also show their might in try to intimidate the federal government that our violence is not confined to this one small area of downtown. We can take it elsewhere, you know, and we can cow the local authorities, all of them, the governor, cow the governor, make police, the police department afraid to show up, which they did, and get popular support for it. That is part of the insurrection. And I used at that time in my reporting, I didn't use the word insurrection to describe it. I've since have because it was an anti-government agenda. of course, how the press to this day reports on that time of violence is that these were racial justice protests. Yes, there's there's a stark difference between the reaction to the George Floyd death in 2020 and the reaction to the Charlie Kirk death. I was at a vigil in New York and there are 20 or 30 of us there were prayers of singing hymns and candles lit and as we were doing so some blackclad individuals started with two or three of them started weaving between us gleefully with their mouths wide teeths glistening and kind of aggressively getting into our faces before started kind of hissing that he was a fascist. the person that we were grieving and as they backed off they started chanting free free Palestine. Um but also of course another stark difference is after George Floyd it's America was seeming the cities all of the cities were burnt down and we had the rise of what happened in Portland. You described in what happened in Seattle as well with Chaz. So a stark difference in in what's going on and a stark difference in how it's all being reported. That's a very shocking. Here's another reason why I say it's asymmetrical warfare. I think a significant portion of the left understands that violence works. They want prosecutors to be afraid to prosecute. They want governors to be afraid to send in the National Guard. And they want jurors who are serving on trials also to know that if there isn't a conviction of somebody, they want convicted that there will be mass violence. I think the American right hasn't woken up to this reality of what we're dealing with here. And you know in this deflection time now we see online you're going to see these influencers on the left like Midi Hassan and others bring up the um trope of these old these studies so-called studies that show look there is this huge difference in right-wing political violence. If you look at the methodology of these things, it's actually quite a flawed methodology in that a lot of political violence does not actually conveniently map onto left or right in the American context. For example, there have been so many deaths at the hands of jihadist ideologues in the US. Do you map that left or right? It's religious fundamentalism. So that seems perhaps right-wing, but it's for Islam, which is embraced by the left. Where do you map that? It it doesn't conveniently go. Where do you map all the black racists and black anti-semites who have killed people and said racist things in the course of those attacks and anti-semitic things? Is that left or right? Yeah. So actually one the most recent example of that was the murder of Ireina Zerutka, the Ukrainian refugee in North Carolina. The attacker who's clearly has some seeming seems to me to be schizophrenia of some sort, some serious mental illness. After slash slashing her throat three times and leaving her to die, he walks off and he goes he mutters under his breath, "I got that white girl. I got that white girl." So it it seems to me that that's a racially motivated murder. Yes. Well, at least race had something to do with it. Um, and of course, I'm not sure how Medi Hassan would put that into his uh reasoning. However, what is clear if we take for example Hassan's and I I even had a look at this. So, this is I'm not even necessarily a professional here, but he did a sort of list of various people like the Democrats lawmaker and her husband Melissa Hortman and and Mark Hortman who were killed in Minnesota in June. He goes, "The killer was a Trump supporter." Well, actually, if you look at into the killer, um, the killer claimed that Tim Walls instructed him to carry out the killings and it one professional said he it seems like he has schizophrenia. Uh, Tim Walls is in Camela's vice presidential running mate. Um, if you another example, I mean, he just he basically has this long list is a Trump supporter. Another example is Josh Shapiro, the Democrat Pennsylvania governor who in April uh had his an arson attack on his house. Yes. Very severe arson attack. Um the arsonist cited Shapiro's stance on Gaza as the motive for the crime. The suspect is uh Cody Balmer was also being treated for mental illness. And the New York Times reported that there was little evidence of a particular ideology or loyalty to a polit any political party. And he believed that the the the New York Times also reported that the the the man charged believed Shapiro stance on the war in Gaza was leading to the deaths of Palestinians. And that was after a police warrant search. And this is what he said. After the attack on the governor's residence in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, the suspect, Katie Cody Balmer, identified himself on a 911 call and said that Mr. Shapiro, who is Jewish, needs to know that he will not take part part in his plans for what he wants to do to the Palestinian people. And I think Lewis Goodle also referenced this on Piers Morgan as an example of uh far right, but this is not a far right thing. This is if anything to do with Palestine. By the way, speaking of Palestine, we had the terrible killings or um in DC. It was just earlier this year. Yes. Yes. This is the an American woman and a Israeli Christian man. That's right. Gone down outside. Eron Lchinsky, aged 30, and Sarah Lin Mgrim, aed 26, killed outside the Capital Jewish Museum, by a an alias Rodriguez, 31 years old, who shouted free Palestine after it and was involved in the Communist Party and involved in the Communist Party, and told police at the scene, "I did it for Palestine. I did it for Gaza." Um, how do you how do you rank that in in how do you place that? Is that a uh seems pretty far left to me or is it if I certainly see that this is a sort of package deal of ideas that includes this kind of pro-Islamist pro Hamas they say they say pro Palestine but they're not exactly uh uh supporting the Palestinians they're just anti-Israel see the studies they're one usually done by leftwing ideologues unfortunately I say unfortunate because I want these type of studies we want good research into extreme extremism in the US. The US has a lot of violence that's happening and a lot of it that is done by people who are political and may be politically motivated in it. But when it's done for partisan reasons, which a lot of this funded research is, then you have this bull [ __ ] outcomes that is then shared by the media for nice for headlines that their funders want. You know, right-wing violence is a real threat. That's what they always say. It's like it's a meme to them. It's just a mantra they keep saying, you know, I look through these things and I'm like, where's um, you know, how come they don't include Villain Van Bronson or Michael Rhino, who is the antifa gunman in Portland? Villain was a Tacoma anti gunman. Um, Charles Landeros in Eugene, he was an anti-fug person who um carried out a school shooting and got himself killed in the process. um Connor Betts who uh had a huge anti- social media footprint and carried out a mass shooting in Ohio and got killed in the process. The FBI the FBI concluded that there wasn't a political motivation in his killings and the left used that as oh it cleared uh Antifa of completely everything. Well, his whole what everything he could say the propaganda he was consuming was death death. particularly from his anti-f propaganda. You don't think that might have had a role in how easy it was for him to pick up a rifle in this nihilistic slaughter of people on a Saturday night in Ohio? Like um so I'm just there's another and they omit a lot. You know, things are coming to my mind. I forget a lot because there's so there's so much and like I report it out and it's like it goes into the ether and it's ignored by the mainstream media. People forget that in 20 2015, a BLM ideologue, a black man in Dallas carried out a mass shooting of police officers at a BLM protest, killing five officers and he was hiding out in a parking structure and police had to take him out with a bomb that was attached to a robot. People forgot that this man who shouted his anger over race related issues killed a lot of people at a BLM protest. People don't even remember that. Of course, not going to remember any of these other names that I just brought up. Um I, you know, just before the uh 20 24 election, there was a a left-wing journalist, Tess Owens, at Wired, which is a left-wing publication. they were doing this noble work of compiling election related threats. And then I looked in what they had posted and I saw that it was missing some key things that like had been reported. For example, uh a black conservative who had their sign for Trump vandalized with the swastika. I reached out. I said, "This is a form of election intimidation to put a symbol like that on a person's sign, person of color." And her response was, "We don't include acts of vandalism in this tracking." So, you can see how you can write the methodology in a way that excludes exactly what you want to then get the headlines that you want. So, these people are liars. They're just disgusting. I mean I'm and once a story goes out once new evidence comes up it doesn't change people don't update their their understanding of the situation. Another famous example that's that's cited a lot is what happened to Paul Pelosi the husband of Nancy Pelosi who famously was attacked in his home. Michael Shelonburgger investigative reporter who's been on the show many times good friend. He did a report on this um because it was alleged that this guy was a Trump supporter and certainly Mi Medi Hassan is doing this again. But Shannonburgger's report shows that um it was actually a psychotic homeless addicted uh estranged from his the the the uh the name of the um attackers David Deappy. Uh a psychotic homeless addicted estranged from his pedophile lover and their children. and um and even the CNN CNN confirmed history of drug use and mental struggles and neighbors described the Dappy Depappy who that that until recently was leftwing and that they that the the couple had been all about Black Lives Matter and you know it's clearly erratic if these people are unwell you know it's kind of hard to pin down exactly what they believe, but we don't know that part of the story. And we sort of assume, oh, because they attacked a Democrat politician, it must be an anti it must be a a Trump supporter of some sort. But if you actually look into what's going on, it's it's a very different story. And and um what's doubly frustrating for me when I think of someone like Hassan and and in America and Lewis G Good's done it here and and various others are doing it. But when you have an incident like Jan 6th, those quote unquote journalists are not coming out and going, "Yeah, yeah, but what about left-wing violence? What about the 25 people killed in the BLM riots?" They don't do what aboutism then. But when we have a clear attack from the left, they come out and their whole story is, "Yeah, but look at all this right-wing violence." So that that's why also I wanted to do this conversation with you is because actually no one's bloody talking about the history of leftwing violence and in fact that's why I was such an admirer of your work in the first place all those years ago because I was I was very aware of what the mainstream media were reporting. They very happy to report right-wing violence. So take for example um Charlottesville. It was a horrendous killing there. That was back in 2017. But if you were following on social media, you could see that the there were far-left activists there. I'm not suggesting that they were involved in the killing, but you you if you if you only watched the mainstream media, you would think, oh, it was just far right. You wouldn't have se seen that Antifa were there. Now, um I'm not sure if you actually reported on that uh uh case back in 2017, but there's a total uh failure of the media to report on leftwing violence. And so, and that's actually why I think you've become such a significant important journalist because imagine if you weren't doing this work. The world wouldn't know. Imagine if Musk hadn't bought Twitter. we wouldn't know about uh so much of the truth of what's going on. The the the tactics to deflect, mislead, and lie. It's it's done every time like uh or ignore ignore when when they can't do anything else to ignore. Uh I I I just thought of some more examples. Going back to Portland, there was before the election, there were all these warnings about how the threat to democracy and elections come from the right and from MAGA. And in Portland, we had ballot boxes that were Portland and a neighboring city, Vancouver, Washington. Ballot boxes that were set on fire. Quite shocking attacks on democracy. Literally hundreds of ballots were destroyed and a message that was left behind is that it was done for Gaza and the story just kind of went away. Nobody's been arrested still or in September now. Um then the county election office where Portland is was completely smashed up uh the night of the election. also coincided time timelinewise with some of the uh arson attacks and the people there left behind anarchist symbols which may be a hint that they were part of the Antifa network that was completely ignored. If you talk to people in Portland, they won't even know that our own elections offices were vandalized and smashed up in this way. So, I've uh become uh I don't know what the term is. Is it blackpilled? It's like when it comes to the press, it's like you're so um I tweeted this out after Charlie was murdered. I said, um, I was responding to a video on MSNBC where they had a contributor say that Charlie may have been shot by one of his supporters who were celebrating. I don't know if you remember that. I was so angry and and thought that was so disgusting, but so emblematic of thousands of examples by now going back to 2016. I said um that the press or the enemy of the people and I never said that before. I didn't like that type of rhetoric when I heard it years ago from Trump but actually I think he's right. He's right. The American press is really really sick. Um I would say it's not as bad as in the UK. In the US you have some really really [ __ ] twisted sick people who work in media. I would say they're like sociopathic actually. Unfortunately, I've had personal dealings with a lot of them. And so, um, yeah, [ __ ] them. Um, I I do what I do and I get a lot of threats for it. I've had to move away from my country as a result. Um, but that's that's the cost of this type of work. And um the threat is mutating into something else like the whole anti antifung and radical left movement has now really quite centered trans militancy at the forefront and within the mainstream trans rights propaganda. They explicitly call for violence at on their plards on their shirts and signs. They say trans rights or else and there's a rifle, there's a semi-auto rifle, there handguns, there's knives. Like that's not even a suggestion, right? It's a threat. All these trans activist propagandists are saying it's not enough. You're not a true ally if you don't take direct action. And it will remain to be seen if that was part of the motivation for what happened here with Tyler Robinson. Certainly FBI is probing that angle. And we're just coming off the back of the terrible mass shooting at the Catholic school in Minneapolis in August. Yes. Which is the the suspect Robin Westman, trans who wrote notes about quote unquote filthy Zionist Jews killed. I don't know if any were killed, but a dozen were injured. So, two children were killed. Uh 17 others were shot, mostly children, some with serious injuries still to today. One was shot in the head. At least one shot was shot in the head. Yeah. So, how how the media represented that was that there was also the suggestion that was far right and it was they also highlighted it was a white person, right? and kind of ignored over his writings in his manifesto where he talked a lot about transgenderism. I did reporting on it and such found it extremely relevant. He was really distressed. It seemed that he had come to a realization that he, and this is his word, brainwashed himself with gender and that he really wanted to be a girl, but he knew that there was no technology, no magic wand that could turn him into one. I think that fueled some of this nihilistic rage that he had. So, you know, complicated PE people killers like that, they don't conveniently fit into this is left-wing violence. This is right, white supremacist, farright violence, which is how these journalists and these academics and activists want to categorize at all. It's not the the nature of political violence. is is involves all these other variables and they'll they'll chip out chip it out at a way until the cases are cut out and not included in the data where you don't get an accurate picture at all. And the bigger point I think is beyond the body count of which side which to me is really not that relevant of the matter. I think the matter what matters more is who's accepting of this as a norm. And I think we can see the answer to that. Look, I know you say you don't think it matters, but given that you don't accept the it matters in the It doesn't matter in the sense that we shouldn't be treating this as a game of who's more evil than who. Well, that's why I wanted to have this conversation and to focus on the far left because it's all evil. Like, political violence, murder is evil. That shouldn't be contentious. But in a in a in a case where we have a far-left uh attack, why are we suddenly going trying to quote unquote contextualize it with all of these things when it's never contextualized with all of these different attacks when it happens from the right? No, they focus on the right. So let's focus on on the left, which I wanted to have this conversation. But if you don't accept their methodology and you rightly say, look, we've got an Islamist type of attack. We've got a sort of for Palestine type of murder. We've got the trans type and there's all these different types. How would you balance the scales? Is is there a sense of which which of these a percentage of which what dominates in in this um uh is I don't know death count or is how do we compare if we are if we have to here's what I here's what I feel confident about saying and actually other academics have also stated this is that more recently there has been a surge documented surge in acts of violence deadly violence that have been committed by suspects or convicts who did it for a left-wing cause that there is an uptick that they some of these academics had had to recognize you know of course they'll say oh but you know the overall numbers are still less than the right but there has been an uptick or at least they admit that I you know I I bring out all these like examples in my reporting not to do what the left is trying to do. I'm not trying to direct attention to say look the violence is only only coming from one side. This is all that we should care about. No, we have a crisis in America where easy access to deadly weapons is a daily reality and people are radicalized online. You don't have it's like the domestic terrorists we have are not the terrorists who are going to foreign countries to train with militant armed groups. They're people 15year-olds getting radicalized online. Last year I did reporting on a girl shooter mass shooter which is uncommon in the state of Wisconsin. She was radicalized on Discord. had a deep fascination with school shooters and mass killers. Her family had no idea. Her dad was a churchgoing man, Christian. He just thought his little girl was playing games and doing homework on her laptop and listening to music and so she was consuming all this. And she's not the only one. It's like it's just this so many like her. And then we have now introducing in that type of space the death cult propaganda that is political and celebrated and cheered on the death cult propaganda being sort of progressive world worldview or do you mean the sort of trans death cult? All of it. the kind of what I see as an axis of evil of ideologies, the woke progressivism, Islamism, I. Those who are pro the jihadi attack of October 7th and the Marxists that there seems there's a lot of overlap on these circles, aren't there? There's a hell of a lot of overlap. They all seem to be one tribe. I mean, yeah, there's a deeper story here that I think is being missed. And these medi Hassan types are trying to mis make people look in the wrong direction with this nonsense and misleading [ __ ] that they're putting out. And of course, there's the onslaught of the liars who are out there. And there was a female to-male trans identifying mass shooter in Tennessee. Was that last year? Audrey Hail two years ago 20 23 and she had a trans manifesto as well. That's right. I visit his school earlier this year, the site, and um I spoke to law enforcement who had responded to the scene and one told me um I don't think I I can't say his name or role, so I'll be somewhat vague, but what he said is he he'll never forget the smell. It's the smell of the blood of the children who were shot and killed, you know. And Audrey Hail's writings were kept out by the court from public release for like ongoing almost years until it was leaked more recently through I think law enforcement sources leaked to the press. There are court hearings back and forth because uh judge had gagged um press reporting on on what the contents of it. Um, I wonder why. If you read it, you'll see that Hail had huge grievances um against the world and she hated her body. She hated being white. She had a resentment particularly against white people. I think all that's relevant to release. So, of course, by the time it's released now, 2 years after what happened, it kind of, you know, it's not really in the headlines, but um Hail is as well as uh Robin Westman, the Minneapolis trans shooter, is just two among many transgender mass killers in a growing phenomenon, which is new. It's really unheard of before less than 10 years ago of trans mass shooters. But um yeah. So Annie, one of the things I wanted to discuss with you is the history of the concept that violence or sorry that words can be violence. Now, Constantine Kissinger, our mutual friend, said this very succinctly, and I think it's very astute in observing it, and others have said it too, that if you tell people relentlessly that people are Nazis and fascists, even though they aren't necessarily, then some people will think it's justifiable to kill them because Nazis or Hitler was literally, you know, it was an evil ideology. He was an evil man. And if you if these people if Trump literally is Hitler, then there's a justification or they they give a justification to assassinate him. And as we've seen, that is a popular um position to have on the American left. A lot of people were very happy about the uh when they heard about the shooting of Trump last year and then they were disappointed that it wasn't successful. That was quite a widespread widespread view at least online. Yeah, that's strange. I mean, the the reaction after Charlie Kirk's been somewhat different from Trump, partly because so many American presidents have either been assassinated or have been attempted assassinations on that. Ronald Reagan and of course, if you go back to the 70s, you had the Kennedy brothers and um uh there's been various, you know, Abraham Lincoln even more famous. Um but it feels different I guess with Charlie Kirk because of how prominent he was and he wasn't a politician although he was obviously politically affiliated but I want to go into this idea of violence or words being violence and we remember around BLM that we were told relentlessly that silence is violence. So it seems that everything is violence and if everything is violence then violence is justified as a response to everything. Now, James Lindseay wrote this phenomenal piece actually in inspired by your experience back in 2019, which I hadn't read before, but he was describing how the way the media dealt with you and what you were reporting back in 2019 was that it somehow the work you were doing was discredited and worse, that the violence you were experiencing was somewhat justified in that you were sort of asking for it by being there in the first place. And there were sort of these games they were playing. And he traces back all of these games they're playing to leftist academic social theory, which he says has blurred the distinction between word and action for decades. Now, I didn't quite appreciate this, but it is literally decades. He goes back to 1961, The Wretched of the Earth, a book by France Fannon wrote about how violence supposedly done by the words of colonizing elites as a spark for revolutionary activity that um he goes back to 1969. There's a Norwegian founder of peace and conflict studies, Johan Galton, who did a whole research dedicated to the topic of quotequote structural violence. When I mean this is a quote from that, when one husband beats his wife, there is a clear case of personal violence. But when one million husbands keep one million wives in ignorance, there is structural violence. And he goes, and this I think will really resonate people. He goes back to 1990 and Judith Butler's book, Gender Trouble, which is probably the the the holy scripture for the trans movement as far as I've understood it. And she was writing about gender violence and that gender violence is described as a violence of categorization. that queer theory following uh queer theory accordingly indicates that a form of violence occurs when someone is categorized by sex, gender or sexuality in a way they feel does not rightly describe them. So queer and trans activists today routinely claim that misgendering is inherently violent. So I didn't quite appreciate this but this goes back almost 80 I mean 8 60 years that the that the the the path had been laid the the stage and been set to you to such a manipulation of language that that um it is justifiable to respond to words with violence. And this is all the more significant with um Charlie's murder because he was a huge advocate of free speech. He was Mr. debate. He was the guy going to all the college universities and speaking to