Chandler Crump Remembers Charlie Kirk: A Young Leader Reflects on Faith, Courage, and Nation

[00:00] Before this special episode of Back to the People, I want to take a moment to share a beautiful tribute video from

[00:07] Benny Johnson honoring the memory of his dear friend Charlie Kirk.

[00:14] May he rest in peace. How do you want to be remembered? If I die, everything just goes away. How

[00:20] would you if you could be associated with one thing, how would you want to be remembered? I want to be I want to be remembered for

[00:26] for courage, for my faith. That that would be the most important thing. The most important thing is my faith in my

[00:31] life. I don't know if you know this, but everyone dies. It's important to remind yourself of that, that you face God, the

[00:38] judge, and he's going to list everything you did wrong in your life. It's going to be a long sentencing hearing for me.

[00:45] Well, you get justice, which is hell, cuz that's what we deserve. Mercy, which is less of that, which I'll allow the

[00:50] theologians figure out what that is. Or grace. What is grace? Grace is something so unique, so different, so profound,

[00:57] which is as soon as the sentencing is about to be ushered in, someone comes in and says, "No, I will serve that prison

[01:03] sentence for him. I will go into the prison cell for him or her so they can

[01:09] live forever." That's grace. You didn't earn it. You didn't check boxes for it.

[01:15] You didn't go park cars for a ministry and that gets you extra points to go to heaven. None of that's true. It's that

[01:20] it's equally accepted for all people that allow Jesus Christ to be your savior, the savior of the world, to be

[01:26] born a new and to be completely and totally renewed. That's a gift that we must try to give all people in the

[01:32] world. I mean, I've had an unbelievably blessed life uh been doing this now will be 12 years on June 5th.

[01:38] Such a young man to do it. So young. Yeah. So, praise God. I mean, I've been all across the world. I've met with world leaders. I've flown in Air Force

[01:44] One, got to know a president. I I have amazing family. the podcast, Turning Point USA, all that stuff. And so you

[01:50] you experience that and you're like, what actually matters? What matters is your relationship with the divine, your

[01:56] relationship with your family, your kids, and maybe a close collection of friends and your relationship with the

[02:01] truth. And you could decide to lie all the time, then you become a tortured individual. And you know those people,

[02:07] you just turn on television, they're constantly lying, and they just become like disfigured either emotionally,

[02:13] spiritually, or physically. Cuz when you lie, I believe you're actually committing suicide of the soul. I really believe that.

[02:18] Are you a Christian by any chance? Very, very much so. Like, why is that exactly? Oh, Jesus saved my life. I'm a sinner.

[02:24] Gave my life to Christ. Most important decision I ever made. So, you believe the Bible is real? Yes, I believe the Bible is true and

[02:29] real. Why is that? Well, I could give you the technical answer. There's never been an archaeological discovery that has contradicted the truth of the Bible. And

[02:36] then, of course, the wisdom. There is not a truth of the Bible that if you apply to your life, your life does not improve dramatically. And then finally,

[02:42] uh, we have the most accurate and transparent, historically robust account that one can have of the most important

[02:48] figure ever to live in the history of the world, Jesus of Nazareth. And the resurrection is the is the pinpoint of

[02:53] my belief that Jesus did rise from the grave so that we may live. And for those of you that have not given your life to

[03:00] Christ, I can tell you it is the most freeing, liberating thing that a human

[03:05] being can possibly do. the most important thing that you can do, which is to be born new into um into the

[03:12] kingdom of God.

[03:26] Chandler Crump, thank you so much for joining me today. I like many in our

[03:33] nation are grieving the loss of Charlie Kirk and I know you are too. And when I was

[03:41] reading the news, your beautiful tribute to Charlie came up on my feed and I told

[03:48] my team I would love to chat with you about Charlie today. So, thank you for

[03:55] joining me. Absolutely. I'm sorry. I I'm getting the eyed already and we haven't even really started talking yet, but um yeah, I'm

[04:02] really happy to speak about it. Your post, you have a picture of you and

[04:07] I think you're about 14 years old standing with Charlie and you guys both

[04:13] look so happy and in the post you say, "Charlie Kirk changed my life." and you

[04:20] talk about how you were just 14 and you were invited um to the Turning Point

[04:26] USA's Young Black Leadership Summit uh and you hadn't missed a single one. Um

[04:35] and in 2025 and here we are and

[04:41] I think the only thing to do in this moment is honor him. and I wanted to

[04:48] hear about your time with him. You knew him so well. Definitely. Um I I I want to make it

[04:55] even more impactful. I first met Charlie Kirk in 2018 as the post implies. Um and

[05:01] I was 14 years old at the time. I'm 20 years old today and I I actually ran the numbers. I've known Charlie Kirk for

[05:07] onethird of my life. And it has been, you know, this one third of my life has been about as impactful as the first

[05:13] twothirds of it if I'm being honest because I mean obviously being born and raised by my parents was an excellent thing. But I'd say Charlie Kirk was

[05:20] another mentor to me in a very similar way. He showed me so many things and put me on a path that absolutely changed my

[05:27] life. The story that isn't told in that post, but I, you know, I've been telling people as we as we honor his memory is

[05:33] that he spoke to me personally and he told me it didn't matter how old I am or how young I am. I can speak up and I can

[05:39] make my voice heard and I can get out there. And I mean, as a 14-year-old, not many people are going to tell you, "Oh,

[05:45] hey, hey, 14-year-old, you should speak about politics." In fact, I had quite the opposite. A lot of liberals and

[05:50] leftists and a lot of the times even conservatives and Republicans would be in my comments saying, "Hey, you know, you're 14 years old or as the years went

[05:56] on, 15 or 16, why are you even bothering talking about politics? Go outside and play or something." Or I guess, you

[06:02] know, around that time, go play video games or something. And I'm like, hey, I can play video games and talk about politics. I can do both of those things.

[06:09] Um, and you know, do them just fine. And that's what I did and that's what I've been doing. And it it it means so much

[06:14] to me that Charlie was a part of that because he was a truly amazing person. And it it reminded me that he it wasn't

[06:21] just for me. It was about all the other young black leaders that were there. And then on top of that, it was about all the young leaders across the nation.

[06:28] Yeah. And Charlie himself was young when he met you. He was just 31 uh yesterday.

[06:35] And he was 31 yesterday. And when I met him, he was 25.

[06:41] What Charlie represents to our nation is someone who

[06:46] loved God first, uh, loved his wife, loved his country,

[06:53] loved his children, and he wanted us to love each other so much. So

[07:00] that his primary goal in doing this work was to prevent a civil war in many ways.

[07:10] What was your experience knowing Charlie after all these years? You probably saw

[07:17] him as a person develop as well. I mean, you're so young. You're developing and he's developing and growing, too.

[07:24] What did that message mean to you as a young man growing up in this country

[07:30] that is getting more divisive by the day? I am so glad you asked that question. I

[07:36] I did watch Charlie change and grow as a person. It was a different landscape in 2018. You know, the phrase that was

[07:43] going around back then and even he said it at one point was, you know, you gotta own the limbs. And that was kind of like, you know, the the meme phrase at

[07:48] the time, it was also kind of like the how we wanted to operate. And then I think over time, especially after the pandemic, and then as we kind of got

[07:55] into a world that was so polarized and so changed, it morphed and he became so much more about family values. I think

[08:01] it really happened as he got older. He finally, you know, he had spent a lot of time running Turning Point USA. That was

[08:06] basically his entire actually literally his entire adulthood was running Turning Point USA. And so he was so dedicated to

[08:12] the mission, so dedicated to his work that he had not really had the time to focus inward. And so when he finally did

[08:19] and you know, he he for one grew closer to God. And and I can tell you this with certainty because at the very beginning

[08:24] he would mention, you know, God and Jesus and Bible verses every once in a while, but by the end of it, every other

[08:30] post was all about that. He launched Turning Point Faith. Really valuable

[08:35] stuff. But I think another great thing was him getting married and starting his family. I mean, the growth could could

[08:42] not be overstated. He he really did grow as a person. And it became even in his politics, it was less about own the libs

[08:47] and it was more about unity. Let's understand each other. And that's why I think his college tours, he continued to

[08:53] do them, but they became more and more important. At the beginning, it was kind of like, oh, you know, dunk on these college students, but by the end of it,

[08:59] it was, let's understand each other, let's speak to each other, let's connect, and let's find out how we can

[09:05] bridge this gap and this divide that we have in our country, cuz no matter what what what everybody should want, and I I

[09:11] was going to say what I hope everybody wants, but what everybody should want is that we all come together for the betterment of our nation. And I can tell

[09:18] you with certainty, Charlie Kirk was somebody that believed in that. He believed in it and he spent his life

[09:25] dedicated to it. And he did something that is so scary, which is talking to

[09:31] people who hated him. Yeah. Who hated him with a violent anger. And

[09:40] he sat there peacefully and spoke with them from his heart without muddling

[09:46] words, without being a politician, without just saying the things somebody wants to hear, without speaking in this

[09:54] hyperbolic, meaningless way that so many politicians speak. Charlie had an

[10:00] answer. And it might not have been the answer that everyone agreed with, but it was

[10:07] his true soul's answer. It was what his soul believed. And he would give his

[10:15] reason for it. And it was often a very very good and poignant reason oftent times based in scripture, history,

[10:24] um, and logic. And you know, I think that's what drove people who are already

[10:31] angry even angrier because they could not meet him where he was. Cuz a fractured soul

[10:40] trying to talk with Charlie Kirk will become lost. They will see how lost they

[10:48] are. Did you see I mean did you ever see him live in any of I've only seen the videos but I can imagine seeing that

[10:56] occur live is is something to behold. I haven't been to any of his um campus

[11:02] tours where he would set up the tent um because that's you know there's a lot going on at those and that's kind of not

[11:08] necessarily my scene. I've seen the videos of them. Uh where I have seen him live is of course at all of his events

[11:13] as I mentioned. I've gone to at least like over 15. I think if I I used to have the count, but I think it's like 17

[11:19] of the national events I went to over the years. Definitely have seen a lot. And there's always, you know, there's

[11:24] been plenty of videos of him being chased out of restaurants and having things thrown at him. He's endured so

[11:30] much. And I I think it it almost makes him like a like almost kind of like a modern-day civil rights figure in the

[11:36] way that he speaks out spoke out spoke out against the polarization and

[11:44] the violence and spoke out against people refusing to understand each other. And I mean there's videos of

[11:51] people, you know, yelling at him, asking him a question and then not even letting him answer and then just walking away.

[11:56] Like and the point you made about the fractured soul is so true. like if if you're beyond help, then what Charlie

[12:03] says to you is not going to work. What you know, there's not really anything anybody can say to you that will help you. Uh, and I think we're seeing that

[12:09] so emblematically true with all the people online that are celebrating it. And it's it's not a lot, but it's not

[12:15] none either, especially on certain platforms like Blue Sky. And I won't say not I won't say everybody on Blue Sky is

[12:21] saying it, but definitely a strong majority. And even platforms like Reddit, which is supposed to be a little bit more on the mainstream, sort of,

[12:27] there's all sorts of people in different groups that are saying so many nasty things. The only thing that makes me at

[12:32] least have a little bit of hope is that for every one post that's saying, you know, it was a good thing or saying he

[12:37] got what he deserved, there's 20 comments under that post saying, "How dare you?" He was a husband, he was a

[12:43] father, and he was a man. And he was a good man. I mean, he was a man

[12:48] that brought this country together. Look, I am, you know, did not grow up a

[12:53] conservative. I'm going to be 40 in two weeks. I've lived the majority of my

[13:00] life as a liberal. But Charlie invited me in. He invited me to speak. He gave

[13:08] me such an like I mean I was so honored to get put on his huge stage. I mean

[13:16] that I when I went to the the Turning Point event um earlier this year

[13:22] Yeah. I couldn't believe what an incredible production it was and I was so humbled

[13:29] that he put me on that stage and and I I honestly was was I was like

[13:37] am I in the right place? And I was I was kind of confused. And then I looked

[13:43] around and I was like, "This is a place where people are full of hope and

[13:48] courage. There's diversity here. This this is not a, you know, like how

[13:57] how liberals described Charlie Kirk is so wrong. It's so vastly wrong that it's

[14:04] insulting to me now that I know who he actually was. And

[14:10] this last 24 hours, I've had a chance to watch video after video.

[14:15] And um he's not they've lied about him in such severe ways.

[14:22] Yeah. That like I thought I knew how dark the left was, right? And then yesterday

[14:30] changed a lot for me. And the time since then has changed a

[14:35] lot for me to the point where I there's not a single ounce of me anymore that

[14:42] can excuse any behavior that is celebratingbrating the death of this

[14:47] great man. Cuz it's all out there now. Like you

[14:53] have to actually just be willfully full of demonic hate to today

[15:00] cheer for that. Yeah. The lies were one thing, but there's now

[15:07] there's a truth being told and then to still applaud that death in the face of

[15:14] the beautiful truth of who he was. My fiance um and I talked yesterday

[15:23] chatting with each other and we're like, "This feels like our generations JFK moment."

[15:29] Yeah. Cuz you're not going to find a character

[15:35] who who conducted himself the way Charlie

[15:42] did in the most effective way he did it. Right. He didn't he was not a Trump

[15:49] sickopant. He was not a sickopant to any particular thing. He was not owned by

[15:56] any party. He was an individual who

[16:01] um you know I'm thinking of a video right now where someone literally dressed as a Satanist with a pentagram

[16:09] on the chest and a goat's head came up at one of the student events and starts

[16:16] chanting a satanic chant to Charlie and Charlie

[16:22] just sits there. He listens and then he immediately does the boldest thing in

[16:30] repudiating Satan in the name of Jesus. And he goes on to say Jesus is the way.

[16:36] Jesus is is is life, right? This is um

[16:41] this is it's not something he had to think about. It was the thing he knew he

[16:47] was up against every single day. He knew that he was up against hate. He knew he

[16:55] was up against anti- Christ like and and and it exhibited

[17:02] itself throughout his adult life where he met it headon

[17:09] and he repudiated it and he spoke it out loud. That to me is it's it's it's

[17:16] almost um incorrect. I I read a I've read some headlines this morning calling him, you know, this Trump surrogate. Um,

[17:25] you know, X, Y, and Z Trump. Charlie was, in my mind, not a, you know,

[17:32] political sickant at all. His mission is so much deeper than that. His mission is

[17:39] the mission of honoring open debate, looking

[17:44] your quote enemy in the eye and connecting with them as a dignified

[17:50] human being and then bringing together people under

[17:55] a tent who share that value and just making that tent bigger and bigger and

[18:01] bigger. What What are some of your favorite memories with Charlie? What are

[18:06] some of the things you saw him do that you're like, "Damn, that was incredible."

[18:11] Um, some of my favorite memories, I have one memory that's like a really personal moment between him and I, and then another memory that's not so personal,

[18:18] but it was just like watching it happen was really powerful. Um, uh, the first memory is from uh, you know, 2021 or so.

[18:25] I was 16 years old and I was at a Turning Point USA event and they were having a side event for the influencers,

[18:31] like an influencer reception. And at the time I I had graduated into being kind of like in the influencer uh group. And

[18:37] so I was at this reception and Charlie Kirk, he loves to come to these things and you know congratulate us all on our

[18:43] reach and you know kind of empower us further. And as he's walking in he walks by me and you know granted at this point

[18:50] I don't think Charlie and I had had a personal conversation since maybe like 2019 or maybe even 18 cuz I mean we're

[18:57] in the same movement and we spend a lot of time at the same places but we're not always chatting. But he turns and he

[19:03] looks at me and he recognized me and he says, "Chandler, it's really great to see you here. I'm your number one fan."

[19:09] And I sat there at that moment. I was like, a 16-year-old me is sitting there

[19:15] and looking at Charlie Kirk, who at that point is already like basically at the peak. Um, and it he only got bigger from

[19:22] that point, but he was already to me was already at the peak, you know, running a huge organization and being responsible

[19:28] for so many things. to him to say that to me was like I I I I can't even take

[19:33] it seriously. But and and I posted this on X as well, but looking back at it, thinking about it, it made it makes

[19:40] sense to me now. He wasn't literally saying he's my number one fan. He was saying that what I do and what I promote

[19:46] and who I inspire is his number one goal, and that is the youth. Like I was

[19:52] 16 years old, not even eligible to vote yet, much less be in college or anything

[19:57] of that nature. and he's already by my side and telling me, "Keep going. Keep fighting because you are who I'm doing

[20:04] this for." And and that was just so powerful to me. Um and then the other one, which is not as personal, but

[20:10] really powerful as well, is actually before that one, this was in December of 2020, they had their event um in West

[20:16] Palm Beach at the time, uh also the Student Action Summit. And a lot of people forget maybe, but there's a lot

[20:22] going on in December of 2020. This was um in the middle of a pandemic, and then it was also right after the election.

[20:28] And there was still a lot of post-election things going on. Charlie Kirk was involved. I was involved. A lot of people were involved. And there was a

[20:33] lot of uncertainty and the movement was fractured and in many ways half

[20:39] defeated, half felt betrayed. And so at the student action summit there was a lot of COVID restrictions. They to me it

[20:46] was like the local government there was doing everything they could possibly do to disrupt the event. They were only

[20:52] letting a certain amount of people in. You had to wear masks to be in and it was just a whole mess. And so at one point when the county officials had shut

[20:59] down people being able to go in, him, Donald Trump Jr., and I think a couple other people went outside where all of

[21:06] the college students, teens, kids, whatever you want to call them, were waiting cuz we had to all form a super

[21:12] huge line outside. It was the absolute worst in the Florida heat, which even in December was still quite hot at that point. You know, West Palm Beach is near

[21:18] Miami, so really hot area, really hot time still. They all went outside with megaphones and just started giving

[21:24] speeches out there. And I'm telling you, the crowd went nuts. It was the absolute best thing. Was it the greatest security

[21:30] thing? Probably not. But I mean, Charlie Kirk at the time and he he valued

[21:37] getting the message and the mission out there more than his safety at that point. And and I don't even think it's a

[21:42] mistake he made cuz I think it went wonderfully and it sent that message through. And I don't want this to be interpreted in any way like what

[21:48] happened recently. It was a laps in security cuz I can tell you with certainty Charlie Kirk was not a stupid man in any way, shape or form. He valued

[21:55] his life. He valued his family. He did I mean you could see all the security around him at that point and how secure

[22:00] of a location it seemed. This was not expected and not what was supposed to happen. But in 2020 and 2021, those two

[22:08] moments really speak out to me because it shows that no matter what, he will always put his mission first and will

[22:13] always do everything he can to reach the people he needs to reach. Yeah.

[22:19] It was a mission he was on from God. It was a mission he was on for love of

[22:25] country, love of his family. Um, are you um Okay, so I really am just

[22:34] grateful to now be following your work. Um, you have written some incredible

[22:43] music. My gosh. And I was literally listening to it on the way here. I was listening

[22:49] to band. It is so good. I I haven't been able to listen to much mainstream music.

[22:56] I mostly have been listening to classical

[23:02] um and gospel because you know there's there's like

[23:09] I'm so sensitive now to negative influence that mainstream music just

[23:14] doesn't feel right for me. Um but band is like an anthem.

[23:22] It's like an anthem for what I've been feeling. um over the last many years. It's really

[23:29] good. It's really really good. Thank you so much. I I actually um I was

[23:34] not even expecting you to be familiar with it. Um I am so honored. I made that

[23:41] music because of Charlie Kirk. Wow. Really? Um well, I mean, I wouldn't be a public

[23:48] political figure at this point, maybe even at all, if not for Charlie Kirk. Um I have there's numerous other influences

[23:54] as well that went into the music. I'm not saying it's all Charlie, but like I'm I'm thinking about that now. Um I have that song. I have a really popular

[24:01] song a lot of people may or may not be familiar with called Let's Go Brandon. I made that with my friend um my friend Bryson Gay. And that one was really big

[24:08] in 2021 cuz it was kind of like um it it was banned um ironically so since we're

[24:14] talking about the other song called Banned, but it was banned off of YouTube and that became a really big moment. Um, and I mean all the songs I put together

[24:21] about politics were kind of in that same vein of inspired by what I was fighting

[24:27] for and what I'm believing in. And it's just I'm really happy you've heard it and love to hear if you heard anything

[24:33] else. But uh I that that was that's a fun song. It's really good. I mean, I'm just I'm

[24:38] going through what you have up on Spotify and anyone listening, I highly highly recommend if you are looking for

[24:45] some amazing anthem like music to get you going in your day as we step up and

[24:52] we fight every day for free speech, for honoring one another, for getting

[24:58] over the fear-mongering and division. Yeah. Um there is an ongoing effort to

[25:04] pummel this beautiful country into a state of fracture and division. Um don't

[25:11] get bought out by that. We can't get bought out by that. Um we can't get

[25:17] shoved into these false wars that Governor Nuome's trying to fabricate.

[25:24] I mean, I'm going to tell you, Chandler, I uh have been afraid to speak more

[25:31] because the political climate is so dangerous right now.

[25:38] And so much so that I gave I gave one of my best speeches ever

[25:43] at the Lincoln Club where I talk about how um we're coming up on the 60th

[25:50] anniversary of Bobby Kennedy, the f the first Bobby Kennedy's greatest speech of

[25:57] all time where he talks about combating

[26:02] communism and how communism would have no place in the Democratic party.

[26:07] The Kennedy single-handedly, and this is why they were assassinated,

[26:13] they singlehandedly were brought back American political

[26:18] discourse to where it must be in order for America to remain America, a free

[26:25] and sovereign nation. They kicked the Marxists out

[26:31] of the Democratic Party. That is what made them so threatening. That is why they were assassinated.

[26:39] And here we are today where I don't see anybody within the

[26:45] Democratic party with the bravery to kick the Marxists out.

[26:52] Yeah. And that and that change is very telling. it it's like a virus and it's a

[26:58] bad virus that continues to spread and replicate and it has to be fully eradicated for it to not come back

[27:03] because you can wipe it out for so many years. Uh it was gone for a while but as we've seen in the last decade and a half

[27:10] it has been on the rise more and more and I would not be surprised if there's a the the vin diagram between Marxist

[27:18] socialist communists and those that are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk is a very near circle. I would not be

[27:23] surprised because so many of those people that are completely vapid and have no soul is the best way to say it,

[27:30] no soul, and are approaching demonhood are the same people that would be chanting in support of the death of a

[27:37] man who at every turn repudiated the same things that Bobby Kennedy the first

[27:42] that you're talking about uh tried to do as well and did successfully do. And and I'd argue that Charlie Kirk has was very

[27:49] successful in what he was doing because I mean there's there was a a study that went out recently that um and I'm sure

[27:56] you might have seen it where it it pulled four groups. Gen Z men that voted for Trump, Gen Z men that voted for

[28:01] Kamla, Gen Z women that voted for Trump, Gen Z women that voted for Kamla. And without a shadow of a doubt, Gen Z men

[28:08] uh the the the poll or I should say the survey was polling what their priorities are in life. And the top two results for

[28:15] Gen Z men were getting married, having children. And it wasn't too far down for

[28:20] Gen Z women either that voted for Trump. I should specify for the Gen Z men and the Gen Z women. It wasn't at the top

[28:26] for the Gen Z women, but it was still relatively high. But if you look at the Gen Z men and the Gen Z women that voted for Kamla, for Kamla, for the Gen Z

[28:33] women, it was number 11 and number 12 were getting married and having children. everything above that was, you

[28:40] know, financial stability, emotional well-being, um, career. And it's not to

[28:46] say that any of those things aren't good things to take care of. Definitely take care of your emotional well-being. But it really puts into perspective that

[28:52] these people have been taught and raised to be so selfish that the only things that matter to them are themselves.

[28:58] Meanwhile, Jinzy men that voted for Trump and I would argue a lot of, you know, Christians and conservatives have

[29:04] this ideology that it is not about me. It is about what I can do for my

[29:09] country, what I can do for my my species. And that is to reproduce, continue this nation forward. And in

[29:16] order to do that, we have to we have to have people. We need to have people. And so getting married is dedicating

[29:21] yourself to your spouse. And having children is dedicating yourself to your children. And it's in that order, too,

[29:28] actually. But it it's it's really valuable. Yeah. I'm I'm about to get married. And

[29:33] um congratulations. Thank you. It's uh my third. I was very

[29:39] unsuccessful in my first two marriages. And I think in part that was because I

[29:45] went into those marriages not understanding that marriage is a covenant. That it is a covenant and that

[29:54] God in your marriage is as important if

[29:59] not more important than who you are actually marrying. Right? Without God, it is impossible.

[30:07] I think for me anyways, I'm realizing to be in a marriage. It's just not because

[30:15] if you know God and I think Charlie uh really showed the world how this

[30:23] works is that when you follow scripture, your life just gets better, right? The closer you follow scripture, the more

[30:30] things in your life just seem to work better. and the happier you end up. And it's not

[30:37] kind of like the happiness like, "Oh, everything's great. I'm going to have a martini kind of happiness." It's the

[30:42] kind of happiness of today was brutally hard, but I'm not cracked open. I hurt. I

[30:50] fear. I'm angry, but I'm whole.

[30:56] and the the love of God that is inside of me is going to help me overcome all

[31:02] of these things. So, if I'm having trouble in my marriage, God is going to help me. If I'm having trouble with my

[31:08] daughter's school, God is going to help me. If I'm having trouble with the, you

[31:15] know, the liberal angry demons on the internet, God is going to help me. And that is a kind of

[31:23] it's an indescribable thing that I think that when people now look and learn about Charlie Kirk's life, that is what

[31:30] he was day in and day out was he was full of that thing that that you can cut

[31:38] me, you can yell at me, you can try to hex me, but God's love in my solar

[31:45] plexus is so freaking strong, you will go nowhere near that

[31:51] I have a name for that thing you feel what he felt and what many people feel and that's called freedom and it's not

[31:57] freedom in the sense of United States of America you know we hold these truths to be self-evident it's not that type of freedom it's the freedom from the evils

[32:05] and inequities of the world that's what you're free from that's true liberty

[32:10] that's true that's true liberty right there Chandler I think there is so much good

[32:19] in store for you in the future. And thank you for sharing

[32:25] your experience with Charlie with us. And please keep

[32:31] telling us about him. Please don't let his memory disappear. Let the world know

[32:38] what he did. um he'll continue to do through the

[32:44] people he went up to and encouraged. Absolutely. Um I I really want to thank

[32:52] you for having me on. Um every I've said this a few times, but every moment I can kind of start to forget and start to

[32:59] think it's not true and then it it happens again where it's like I'm sitting here and I'm like, "Oh my gosh,

[33:05] it the truth is true." And I'm still in that first stage of grief where I I just can't really can't really take it yet.

[33:13] But I know that we're all going to get through this. And what Charlie would want is for us to take some a very small

[33:21] amount of time and heal and then redouble our efforts. And I already know so many people have that theory in them.

[33:27] So many people have that energy in them that we're going to come back and we're going to um continue the mission. I know

[33:33] without a shadow of a doubt Turning Point USA is going to continue its mission and I I know that I'm going to

[33:38] continue mine. I I I cannot wait to see what the future holds. And I know that no matter what I do, I'll do it not just

[33:45] for myself, not just even for Charlie, but for Charlie's vision. And that

[33:50] vision is for our nation. I'm going to do everything I can for our nation. I'm so excited to hear that. Thank you

[33:57] so much, Chandler, for sharing your experiences, your hope, and your love for our

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