Charlie Kirk Debates Boise State Student on Abortion Rights and When Human Life Begins

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[00:34] Can I get you?

[00:39] So, why do you care so much about other

[00:41] individuals living their lives? What is

[00:43] affecting you? Do you have something up

[00:45] your ass or something?

[00:47] Well, I could throw that right back at

[00:48] you. Why do you care so much about what

[00:50] I have to say?

[00:51] Because you're affecting other people's

[00:52] rights. You're taking away people's

[00:54] choices. You are hurting people.

[00:58] the Constitution.

[00:59] Um, what what what rights am I taking

[01:01] away exactly?

[01:02] You're trying to take away gender

[01:04] affirming care for individuals. You are

[01:05] affecting abortion rights. You are

[01:07] hurting people.

[01:09] Got it. So, what is a woman?

[01:10] What is a woman? It's what people

[01:13] identify as is a gender. Sex is

[01:16] different. Sex is different from gender.

[01:20] So, uh, can anyone be a woman?

[01:22] Yes. Okay.

[01:24] Um, at at what point do you know you're

[01:27] looking at a woman?

[01:28] Doesn't matter when you are looking at a

[01:30] woman. You don't have to look at a woman

[01:31] and immediately tell. Can you tell

[01:33] looking at a baby what gender they are

[01:35] without looking at their privates? Tell

[01:37] me that.

[01:39] Sometimes.

[01:39] Sometimes. What about that baby is

[01:42] different?

[01:42] But but hold on. By by the time they're

[01:44] six months old, you can actually tell a

[01:47] young boy tends to gravitate more

[01:49] towards balls and remotes.

[01:51] That's because of gender affirming. That

[01:52] is convincing individuals at a young

[01:54] age. You are socializing, putting them

[01:56] in situations where they want certain

[01:59] different things. Let's look at

[02:01] [Applause]

[02:08] So, let's say you were a little kid and

[02:10] your parents taught you to like pink.

[02:12] Let's actually look back in time. Pink

[02:14] actually used to be a male color instead

[02:15] of blue.

[02:18] In what world?

[02:19] Actually, in the 1920s,

[02:22] Um, so, so you say that I'm here to take

[02:25] people's rights away. That is your main

[02:27] contention.

[02:28] Yes. Because you are affecting the LGBT.

[02:31] You are affecting women's rights. If I

[02:33] was pregnant Oh, wait. Let's go back to

[02:35] this. Abortion is anything. If I had a

[02:38] cyst on my uterus, that would be

[02:41] considered an abortion.

[02:42] No, it's not.

[02:43] Yes, it is.

[02:44] No. No, it's not.

[02:46] Yes, it is. Look at Okay. Anything that

[02:48] is evolving the uterus.

[02:50] Well, no. Uh, in order for it to be an

[02:52] abortion, it must be a human life.

[02:54] No. Anything that is evolving a uterus

[02:56] and you have to get rid of it, it is

[02:57] considered abortion.

[02:58] No, no, no. That's not how that's not

[03:00] how it works. So, so again, you say,

[03:02] "I'm here to take rights away." Yes.

[03:04] Do you agree life is a right?

[03:06] I feel like if it's a clump of cells,

[03:08] then it's not alive.

[03:09] No, no, no. But let's go back. Do you

[03:10] think Do you think every human being has

[03:13] a right to life?

[03:14] Depending on how many weeks. But let's

[03:17] So, wait, hold on. Who's trying to take

[03:18] rights away? I want to protect the

[03:20] rights of all human beings. You call

[03:22] them a clump of cells. Who's trying to

[03:24] take rights away? Example. Exactly.

[03:26] So when is it a human being in your

[03:27] mind? When is it a human being in your

[03:29] mind?

[03:30] Well, it's not even on my mind. It human

[03:33] development objectively begins at

[03:35] conception.

[03:36] At conception. So even if I had a

[03:38] miscarriage, what are you going to say

[03:39] about that?

[03:40] It's a tragedy.

[03:41] It's a tragedy. Okay. Then let's talk

[03:43] about like what if it's affecting the

[03:45] woman or anybody who is pregnant in this

[03:47] situation? What if they're going to die

[03:49] and they have to get an abortion? That's

[03:50] the only way they're going to live. Are

[03:52] they going to be over?

[03:53] Well, hold on. Just so we're clear,

[03:55] that's only a couple thou That's only a

[03:57] couple thousand cases a year. And so,

[03:59] yes, it is.

[04:00] Have you seen how many individuals have

[04:01] already died because they haven't been

[04:03] able to get abortion?

[04:04] Abortion in the life of the mother can

[04:06] be put aside as something that needs to

[04:08] be considered. However, it's not always

[04:10] necessary. But let's talk about the main

[04:11] thing because there's over 1.5 million

[04:13] abortions every single year that don't

[04:15] involve rape, incest, or life of the

[04:17] mother. 1.5 million. But let's let's

[04:19] just ask you a very simple question.

[04:22] When when does human life begin?

[04:24] When does human life, in my personal

[04:25] opinion, is going to start around the

[04:27] second trimester, a little more farther

[04:29] along. But let's get to this. Most

[04:31] individuals that are having abortions

[04:33] are going to be mothers that cannot

[04:34] afford it. They usually have already two

[04:36] to three kids and a lot of time.

[04:40] So, so,

[04:41] so it's acceptable to be able to murder

[04:44] your young if all of a sudden you don't

[04:46] have the money to support them, that you

[04:48] can you can murder your offspring if

[04:50] you're poor.

[04:51] So, in the first couple weeks, even

[04:53] though it's still not fully developed,

[04:54] doesn't even have a heartbeat, does it

[04:55] even have

[04:56] development does not equal dignity? A

[04:58] human being is a human being regardless

[05:00] of the process of development that it is

[05:01] in. Period.

[05:04] And so, who's trying to take rights

[05:06] away? I actually want more human beings

[05:08] to be Are you affecting the LGBT?

[05:10] Well, hold on. We're talk let let's let

[05:13] me finish on abortion. I want more human

[05:17] lives, which by the way, hilariously,

[05:19] would be more women would actually would

[05:21] be born cuz the right to life is

[05:22] paramount. You're trying to take rights

[05:24] away because you're okay with the

[05:26] massacring of little humans. Back to

[05:28] LGBT.

[05:29] It's been going throughout history

[05:31] though. Abortion has been a big thing

[05:33] for a long time and it affects people

[05:36] and it hurts people. So as murder and

[05:38] slavery and child sacrifice there's been

[05:39] that's completely different.

[05:41] No it is murder slavery abortion.

[05:45] Okay. So

[05:46] let me ask you a question then. Define

[05:49] what is murder.

[05:50] What is murder?

[05:52] Are you going to be talking about

[05:53] first-degree murder like homicide? Like

[05:55] going and having the intent to kill a

[05:57] person.

[05:58] Having the intent to kill somebody but

[06:00] I'm just saying a clump of human cells.

[06:02] Yeah. But a clump of cells is different.

[06:04] Hold on. Time out. If it's a clump of

[06:05] cells, what species is it?

[06:08] What species is it?

[06:10] What species?

[06:11] It depends what it's going to be.

[06:13] Whatever you're trying to is it a homo

[06:15] sapien, a crocodile, or a raccoon? Which

[06:18] one is it?

[06:19] What species is this?

[06:20] Wait, so if it's a human clump of cells,

[06:22] then it's a human life deserving of

[06:25] human rights.

[06:27] And the first right is life. And so you

[06:30] could call it a clump of cells, which is

[06:31] dehumanizing language. But I'll go back

[06:33] to this. Ironically, you're the one that

[06:35] is actually intruding on human rights.

[06:37] We're the one protecting human rights.

[06:39] You're trying to get rid of the options

[06:41] so people can have rights to their own

[06:43] body. If someone does not want to have a

[06:45] child, they should not be forced to.

[06:47] If the Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[06:49] If we're going to be doing this, said,

[06:50] what are you going to do about the

[06:52] children in the um the systems that have

[06:54] been being assaulted, that are being

[06:56] hurted? Put more money into the system

[06:58] so people can actually get adopted or

[06:59] actually other things like that.

[07:01] Okay. Again, none of that is relevant.

[07:04] No, because you want more babies to be

[07:06] born. What about people that can't

[07:07] afford them? They have to go into

[07:08] systems.

[07:09] How h how many people are on the

[07:12] adoption waiting list?

[07:15] Yeah. Want to know how many kids

[07:16] actually get adopted

[07:19] systems or are being adopted that get

[07:22] hurt? Are you going to be helping those

[07:23] children that get over by this system?

[07:27] So, there are there are 2 million people

[07:29] on the adoption waiting list. There are

[07:31] a million abortions every year. There

[07:33] are twice as many people that want to

[07:35] adopt than discarded children every

[07:37] single year. Now, I have to go back to a

[07:39] fundamental question, though, which I

[07:41] think is very important. Human

[07:43] development objectively begins at

[07:45] conception. You say it's around two

[07:48] trimesters. Can we agree that every

[07:50] human being once your DNA is formed, you

[07:53] should have the right to life, the right

[07:55] to live the life the way you want to

[07:56] live it. Can we agree on that?

[07:59] How many weeks are we saying? No, I say

[08:01] again once once it be once week

[08:04] once the sperm is inside the egg.

[08:06] Correct. Yeah.

[08:06] No. No. Once the sperm inside the egg in

[08:09] the first like couple of days. No.

[08:11] Well, okay. But let's go through that.

[08:13] Isn't that when your DNA was formed?

[08:16] Yeah.

[08:16] But then aren't you fundamentally at its

[08:19] c at its core you are the DNA is your

[08:23] blueprint for your life. That's who you

[08:25] are. It's a unique marker.

[08:27] It's my DNA. Yeah.

[08:29] Yes. So if it's not your DNA, why is it

[08:30] your choice?

[08:31] Why is it my choice?

[08:33] Yes. If it's not your DNA, why do you

[08:34] have a choice to eliminate it? I don't

[08:36] have

[08:36] It's up to the individual that is having

[08:37] them inside of it. If their body, I

[08:40] don't care if it is like a few weeks

[08:43] because that is not a human life yet.

[08:46] That individual cannot survive without

[08:48] the mother or who is ever pregnant.

[08:51] There are four

[08:51] again. So, let's get down to this cuz I

[08:53] think it's very important and a good way

[08:55] to end this question,

[08:56] which is outside of rape,

[08:59] how did the woman get pregnant?

[09:01] Outside of rape. So, we're not going to

[09:02] be talking about incest or other

[09:04] individuals like because incest is not

[09:06] only just rape or other situations.

[09:09] If I How about if I say let's talk about

[09:11] how things get mixed up in

[09:14] how about if I say I'm okay with

[09:16] abortion for rape, incest, and life of

[09:17] the mother. Let's make it illegal in the

[09:19] other circumstances. Would you agree?

[09:20] How are we going to be able to term that

[09:22] all the time though? Because what if it

[09:23] wasn't consensual? What if that

[09:24] individual was drunk, but they're

[09:26] married

[09:28] and they got raped? You can get a rape.

[09:29] Again, you keep on interrupting me, but

[09:31] you can report rape as a crime. You can

[09:33] also do a blood test to find out if it's

[09:36] incest, but 99.9% of all abortions are

[09:39] not rape and not incest and not life not

[09:41] life. The mother, how did that woman get

[09:44] pregnant in those c situations? Did she

[09:46] just walk through campus and it just

[09:47] appeared and all of a sudden a baby is

[09:48] in her uterus? Or did she do something

[09:50] to decide to potentially have a child?

[09:54] Sex. But also contraceptives sometimes

[09:56] don't always.

[09:57] So, but but hold on a second.

[10:00] Shouldn't you take responsibility for

[10:02] your orgasms?

[10:04] I don't think most men can make me come.

[10:05] I'm going to be honest.

[10:07] Oh, okay. Well, again, out outside of

[10:10] that statement,

[10:13] um

[10:15] I'm not even sure how to take that to be

[10:17] honest.

[10:17] You brought up orgasms. Okay. Shouldn't

[10:20] you take responsibility for the sex that

[10:23] you have?

[10:24] I mean, if I was wanting to have a child

[10:27] and my contraceptives I didn't use any

[10:29] contraceptives and I wanted to get

[10:31] pregnant. Sure, I'm taking

[10:32] responsibility for that life because I

[10:34] wanted that life. But let's say I was

[10:36] use having sex and my contraceptives

[10:38] didn't work and I got the chance of

[10:39] getting pregnant. I am not having that

[10:40] child.

[10:42] So, but you still decided to have sex.

[10:45] you and and again our our opinion when

[10:48] you go and decide having sex is not

[10:51] something you need to survive. It's not

[10:52] like showering or eating or shelter. You

[10:55] can live without having sex. You can

[10:56] have a little bit of self-control. If

[10:58] you decide to go have sex, you should

[11:00] understand you play certain games, you

[11:02] win certain prizes, which might be

[11:04] another human life. And it is the most

[11:06] I don't want to up another child though.

[11:07] Hold on a second. Then don't go have

[11:10] sex.

[11:10] No. Oh, so you understand how

[11:13] narcissistic that is that I want to keep

[11:16] on having fun and if I have a human

[11:18] being and oopsy daisy, I'm going to

[11:20] eliminate that other human being cuz I

[11:22] don't want to have the human being, but

[11:23] I want to keep on having free sex. How

[11:25] is that not the most narcissistic

[11:27] worldview that one can possibly espouse?

[11:30] It's narcissistic that I want to have

[11:32] sex with another consenting individual

[11:35] just because I don't want to have

[11:36] children. I feel like a lot of people in

[11:37] the world have sex. I think a lot of

[11:39] people make money off of having sex and

[11:41] they don't want to have children.

[11:43] I feel like it is something that

[11:45] everybody do. A lot of people have sex

[11:47] just for pleasure.

[11:48] Again, just because a lot of people do

[11:50] it does not make it right. Number one.

[11:52] Number two, again, fundamentally your

[11:54] view is I'm going to do whatever I want

[11:57] to do. And if it if it creates other

[11:59] human beings, so be it. Sure.

[12:01] Do you have sex just to have a baby

[12:02] every single time then?

[12:03] Or are you doing it for pleasure? I

[12:05] I am married and we have two kids, too.

[12:06] So, we're pretty good at this. Like

[12:08] I'm assuming that you have had sex more

[12:10] than twice in your life, not just to

[12:12] have a baby.

[12:12] Give you an inside look into my sex

[12:14] life. But

[12:14] but you're doing it for pleasure, not

[12:16] just to have kids.

[12:17] Well, again, we we actually always do it

[12:19] with God's trust that if we get kids,

[12:21] it's a blessing. Okay. And we do it in

[12:24] the marital context. Again,

[12:25] you also are in a position where you can

[12:27] afford to have children. You are in a

[12:29] position where you are not the lower

[12:30] class.

[12:31] How about this? How about we have the

[12:32] maturity and the sophistication? Again,

[12:34] you keep on using words children and

[12:37] baby. Let me ask you ask you a question.

[12:39] When someone is celebrating a pregnancy,

[12:41] do they call it a clump of cell shower

[12:42] or a baby shower?

[12:44] That's also when it's already been past

[12:46] those weeks.

[12:47] Oh, so it magically gets pixie dust.

[12:49] You're a human being now.

[12:51] No, cuz it develops.

[12:52] Oh, exactly. Cuz it's all around the

[12:54] spectrum of human development. And human

[12:56] development starts at conception.

[12:58] Yeah. Is it going to be completely

[12:59] developed at the first week? No.

[13:00] You're not completely developed right

[13:02] now. A lot of people are not going to be

[13:03] complete where you're never going to be

[13:04] completely developed.

[13:06] It's like you are not completely

[13:07] developed at age 30 or 40. The spectrum

[13:10] of human development keeps on going when

[13:12] you go deep and deep into your life. The

[13:14] question is the most important question.

[13:16] When does that journey begin? That

[13:18] journey begin like when did your process

[13:20] of development begin?

[13:21] My process of development.

[13:23] Yes.

[13:24] Yeah. At conception.

[13:27] Every person in this audience, your life

[13:29] started at conception. and your own DNA

[13:33] from your eye color to your hair color

[13:35] to your height from your likes and your

[13:37] dislikes whether you're an introvert or

[13:39] an extrovert all of that was coded into

[13:41] your deoxyorbibbo nucleic acid at the

[13:44] moment that you were a zygote and so

[13:47] that human deserves constitutional and

[13:49] human rights and again you came up here

[13:52] with the accusation saying I am here

[13:54] taking away people's rights

[13:56] you are

[13:56] again so I

[13:58] you are affecting LGBT rights and

[14:00] abortion rights You are affecting

[14:01] individual vigils that can't always

[14:03] speak for themselves.

[14:05] Got it. So again, we we I think we have

[14:07] gone through this plenty of times. I

[14:08] want to get to the next question. Okay.

[14:10] But I may maybe maybe we can get

[14:13] maybe we can get to some burn it.

[14:15] You'll burn it. Okay. Maybe we can get

[14:17] to some approximation of an agreement.

[14:20] Can we agree?

[14:22] No.

[14:23] Oh,

[14:23] okay. Bye. Can we agree on

[14:29] I I I will pray for you this Holy Week.

[14:31] Thank you for your time.

[14:32] Please don't ever pray for me.

[14:35] [Applause]

[14:39] All right. Um very lively campus here at

[14:42] Boise State, right? I got to love it.

[14:44] Good stuff. Uh disagreements can go to

[14:47] the front of the line or whomever wants.

[14:48] Yeah. Anyone? We got some other

[14:51] Delicious.