Charlie Kirk Debates Critical Race Theory and Segregation with African-American Studies Student at University of Alabama

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Charlie Kirk Debates Critical Race Theory and Segregation with African-American Studies Student at University of Alabama

Charlie Kirk engages in a heated exchange with Erin, an African-American Studies major at the University of Alabama, over critical race theory, modern segregation, and race relations. The conversation tackles black-only dormitories, graduation ceremonies, and whether CRT promotes unity or division. Kirk argues that CRT is creating racism where it doesn't exist, while Erin shares her experiences of facing prejudice on campus. The exchange concludes with CJ, a black student, weighing in on victimhood culture and why he refuses to see his skin color as a disability.

July 28, 2024

School Choice Agreement

Erin, an African-American Studies major at the University of Alabama, begins the conversation by finding common ground with Charlie Kirk on school choice. She attended a great high school outside her ZIP code, which enabled her to attend the University of Alabama. However, she seeks clarification on what critical race theory actually entails, noting confusion around whether it simply teaches people how to interact across racial lines.

Black-Only Dormitories

Kirk pivots to ask Erin about black-only dormitories, citing Western Washington University as an example of a public school implementing such housing. When Erin suggests she might live in one, Kirk presses further, asking if she doesn't want to live with white people. Erin clarifies she has many white friends but acknowledges it can be hard to fit in as a student of color at the university.

Kirk then asks if Erin would support white-only dormitories. Erin responds that given the demographics of the university, it technically already is majority white. Kirk firmly states he believes white-only dormitories would be racist and preposterous, then argues that black-only dormitories are equally racist.

Black Graduation Ceremonies

The conversation moves to Columbia University's black-only graduation ceremonies. Erin compares these to alternative ceremony options like online graduations. Kirk connects this to historical segregation, referencing George Wallace's infamous "segregation now, segregation forever" stance, arguing that supporting separate ceremonies by race perpetuates segregation.

When Erin points out that black people weren't allowed to join Panhellenic sororities until 2013, Kirk challenges the premise of modern segregation initiatives. Erin argues these issues are "the least of our problems" and questions whether Kirk could draw the same turnout at an HBCU.

Atlanta Segregation

Kirk raises an example from Georgia public schools in Atlanta where black sixth graders were allegedly placed in one classroom and white sixth graders in another. Erin requests evidence and mentions having family members in those areas and people living in redlined districts. When Kirk asks directly if she supports segregation, Erin says no.

Kirk argues that black-only dormitories, black-only graduation ceremonies, and classroom segregation by race are all outgrowths of critical race theory.

Critical Race Theory Explained

Kirk provides his definition of critical race theory, tracing it to Herbert Marcuse and a work called "One-Dimensional Man" from the 1960s. He explains that Marcuse came from the Frankfurt School in the 1930s and brought Marxist beliefs about power dynamics to Columbia University, expanding class struggle theory to include racial dynamics.

According to Kirk, critical race theory contains several core beliefs: people are not individuals but members of tribes; free speech, reason, and scientific inquiry are white supremacist Eurocentric constructs; and racism is everywhere, embedded in systems, language, customs, and codes. Kirk argues the fundamental question is whether people should be judged based on the color of their skin.

Erin responds that it's not about whether she thinks people should be judged by skin color, but that it is happening and cannot be ignored. She expresses concern that she might not be treated the same as others.

Coca-Cola and Corporate Anti-Racism Training

Kirk agrees racism exists but points to what he sees as manufactured racism, citing Coca-Cola training employees to "abolish whiteness" and AT&T training employees to "get rid of whiteness." He argues America has a supply and demand problem with racism—an incredibly low supply but incredible demand that has created racism where it doesn't exist. This has manifested, in his view, as a massive anti-white movement. Kirk reiterates his belief that character should matter more than skin color.

Erin struggles to articulate her position, eventually stating that white people are not being hunted while black people face different realities. She points out that Alabama and Panhellenic fraternities and sororities are safe havens for white people, and until someone has walked as a black person on the University of Alabama campus, they cannot truly understand.

Black Lives Matter and Being "Hunted"

Kirk firmly rejects Erin's claim that she is being hunted at the University of Alabama. He argues there is no boogeyman targeting her and that she lives in the least racist country in the history of the world. He points out the irony that Alabama, with its difficult racial history, has given her more speaking time than anyone else that evening.

Erin acknowledges that 100 years ago she might not have been allowed in that room, which would have been evil. Kirk agrees and states they are creating a movement to ensure the country never returns to the segregation that once existed but is now being pushed by Corporate America and academia. The goal, he says, should be a country that cares about character, soul, and spirit rather than tribes and melanin content.

Kirk compassionately but firmly tells Erin she is not being hunted as a black person in America, stating no statistic or data point supports that claim. Instead, he argues, America is the least racist, most accepting multi-racial country in the history of the planet, and he prays she will one day be thankful to live in it.

Closing Thoughts from CJ

Kirk then calls on CJ, another black student in attendance, to share his perspective. CJ states he doesn't feel hunted at the university because he doesn't choose to be a victim. He identifies this as the biggest problem facing people today—waking up every day looking for reasons to be oppressed and making excuses for why they're not winning. CJ refuses to see his skin color as a disability, viewing it simply as an accessory he couldn't control. He's been black all his life and is thriving at the university.

When Kirk asks if CRT is racist, CJ responds that it's not just racist—it's the exact iteration of white supremacy in reverse. He emphasizes the importance of teaching young people not to hate others because of their skin color. Black people can be taught to be proud without telling white people they should be ashamed.

CJ argues that CRT is not only trying to divide the country but to break apart the foundation upon which it was built. He references Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and others who fought for a united country where people are judged by character, not skin color. CJ sees CRT as taking America away from MLK's dream and toward something he wants no part of.

Kirk concludes by thanking everyone for attending and celebrating the disagreements as part of healthy discourse. He praises Alabama as a great state and blesses the country. In his closing remarks, he emphasizes that the future depends on action, optimism, and solution-oriented thinking. Living in America, he says, is a gift from the Lord, and with the right approach, the nation's best days are ahead.

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