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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.
Subscribe on YouTubeCharlie Kirk Debates Critical Race Theory and Segregation with African-American Studies Student at University of Alabama
Charlie Kirk engages in a heated exchange with Erin, an African-American Studies major at the University of Alabama, over critical race theory, modern segregation, and race relations. The conversation tackles black-only dormitories, graduation ceremonies, and whether CRT promotes unity or division. Kirk argues that CRT is creating racism where it doesn't exist, while Erin shares her experiences of facing prejudice on campus. The exchange concludes with CJ, a black student, weighing in on victimhood culture and why he refuses to see his skin color as a disability.
School Choice Agreement
Erin, an African-American Studies major at the University of Alabama, begins the conversation by finding common ground with Charlie Kirk on school choice. She attended a great high school outside her ZIP code, which enabled her to attend the University of Alabama. However, she seeks clarification on what critical race theory actually entails, noting confusion around whether it simply teaches people how to interact across racial lines.
Black-Only Dormitories
Kirk pivots to ask Erin about black-only dormitories, citing Western Washington University as an example of a public school implementing such housing. When Erin suggests she might live in one, Kirk presses further, asking if she doesn't want to live with white people. Erin clarifies she has many white friends but acknowledges it can be hard to fit in as a student of color at the university.
Kirk then asks if Erin would support white-only dormitories. Erin responds that given the demographics of the university, it technically already is majority white. Kirk firmly states he believes white-only dormitories would be racist and preposterous, then argues that black-only dormitories are equally racist.
Black Graduation Ceremonies
The conversation moves to Columbia University's black-only graduation ceremonies. Erin compares these to alternative ceremony options like online graduations. Kirk connects this to historical segregation, referencing George Wallace's infamous "segregation now, segregation forever" stance, arguing that supporting separate ceremonies by race perpetuates segregation.
When Erin points out that black people weren't allowed to join Panhellenic sororities until 2013, Kirk challenges the premise of modern segregation initiatives. Erin argues these issues are "the least of our problems" and questions whether Kirk could draw the same turnout at an HBCU.
Atlanta Segregation
Kirk raises an example from Georgia public schools in Atlanta where black sixth graders were allegedly placed in one classroom and white sixth graders in another. Erin requests evidence and mentions having family members in those areas and people living in redlined districts. When Kirk asks directly if she supports segregation, Erin says no.
Kirk argues that black-only dormitories, black-only graduation ceremonies, and classroom segregation by race are all outgrowths of critical race theory.
Critical Race Theory Explained
Kirk provides his definition of critical race theory, tracing it to Herbert Marcuse and a work called "One-Dimensional Man" from the 1960s. He explains that Marcuse came from the Frankfurt School in the 1930s and brought Marxist beliefs about power dynamics to Columbia University, expanding class struggle theory to include racial dynamics.
According to Kirk, critical race theory contains several core beliefs: people are not individuals but members of tribes; free speech, reason, and scientific inquiry are white supremacist Eurocentric constructs; and racism is everywhere, embedded in systems, language, customs, and codes. Kirk argues the fundamental question is whether people should be judged based on the color of their skin.
Erin responds that it's not about whether she thinks people should be judged by skin color, but that it is happening and cannot be ignored. She expresses concern that she might not be treated the same as others.
Coca-Cola and Corporate Anti-Racism Training
Kirk agrees racism exists but points to what he sees as manufactured racism, citing Coca-Cola training employees to "abolish whiteness" and AT&T training employees to "get rid of whiteness." He argues America has a supply and demand problem with racism—an incredibly low supply but incredible demand that has created racism where it doesn't exist. This has manifested, in his view, as a massive anti-white movement. Kirk reiterates his belief that character should matter more than skin color.
Erin struggles to articulate her position, eventually stating that white people are not being hunted while black people face different realities. She points out that Alabama and Panhellenic fraternities and sororities are safe havens for white people, and until someone has walked as a black person on the University of Alabama campus, they cannot truly understand.
Black Lives Matter and Being "Hunted"
Kirk firmly rejects Erin's claim that she is being hunted at the University of Alabama. He argues there is no boogeyman targeting her and that she lives in the least racist country in the history of the world. He points out the irony that Alabama, with its difficult racial history, has given her more speaking time than anyone else that evening.
Erin acknowledges that 100 years ago she might not have been allowed in that room, which would have been evil. Kirk agrees and states they are creating a movement to ensure the country never returns to the segregation that once existed but is now being pushed by Corporate America and academia. The goal, he says, should be a country that cares about character, soul, and spirit rather than tribes and melanin content.
Kirk compassionately but firmly tells Erin she is not being hunted as a black person in America, stating no statistic or data point supports that claim. Instead, he argues, America is the least racist, most accepting multi-racial country in the history of the planet, and he prays she will one day be thankful to live in it.
Closing Thoughts from CJ
Kirk then calls on CJ, another black student in attendance, to share his perspective. CJ states he doesn't feel hunted at the university because he doesn't choose to be a victim. He identifies this as the biggest problem facing people today—waking up every day looking for reasons to be oppressed and making excuses for why they're not winning. CJ refuses to see his skin color as a disability, viewing it simply as an accessory he couldn't control. He's been black all his life and is thriving at the university.
When Kirk asks if CRT is racist, CJ responds that it's not just racist—it's the exact iteration of white supremacy in reverse. He emphasizes the importance of teaching young people not to hate others because of their skin color. Black people can be taught to be proud without telling white people they should be ashamed.
CJ argues that CRT is not only trying to divide the country but to break apart the foundation upon which it was built. He references Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and others who fought for a united country where people are judged by character, not skin color. CJ sees CRT as taking America away from MLK's dream and toward something he wants no part of.
Kirk concludes by thanking everyone for attending and celebrating the disagreements as part of healthy discourse. He praises Alabama as a great state and blesses the country. In his closing remarks, he emphasizes that the future depends on action, optimism, and solution-oriented thinking. Living in America, he says, is a gift from the Lord, and with the right approach, the nation's best days are ahead.
Video Transcript
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hi um my name is Erin I'm a student here and I'm an African-American Studies major but um one thing I do agree with
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that you haven't said tonight is the school choice thing I do agree that you should be able to go to a school that's outside of your ZIP code I went to a grade high school that's exactly why I
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was able to come here but um my other question is that um what are some examples of critical race Theory because
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I know like the another question that another girl came she said that she had to learn CRT and her sorority and what I what I thought it was is that you know
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you should um know how to interact with people of other races because I went to a school where it's you know mostly Caucasian people and I had to learn how
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to interact with other people so is it something like that or is it something deeper that we don't really know no uh it's it's super simple so let me just
Chapter 2: Black Only Dorms
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kind of ask you I bet we agree do you do you support black only dormitories well when I think of black only dmat I believe that you're talking about like
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maybe HBCU cuz it's mostly black people where are these Western Washington University Public School in Washington
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has black only dormitories is that something you would support I mean I would probably live in one but I mean that I'm wait so you don't want to live
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with white people I didn't say I mean I have I didn't say that but um I mean it's it's kind of hard sometimes like I
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have most I mean you know I have a lot of white friends or whatever but I sometimes I mean it's hard to fit in here um when you go here and you're a
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different color I mean it's not hard what would you support white only dormitories some some around here not many black people go here so it
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technically is white only if you think about it no it's not no let me let me ask you another question I I don't think anybody here would oh some people might
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you know support that I mean I never said I supported any only kind of things no I'm ask that's why I'm asking right I think that you know do you support white
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only absolutely not I think it would be racist it's Preposterous I believe that and guess what black only dormitories are racist too I mean I hey I guess so I
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might live in one if I could but I can't so okay well let me ask you another question uh at Columbia University they
Chapter 3: Black Graduation Ceremonies
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have black only graduation ceremonies would you support that I mean if it's is it just like so are they not able to graduate with the white people is that
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why they can't will they have a separate ceremony just for black people oh I mean I guess it's kind of like the separate ceremony ceremony when they don't want
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to go to graduation they want to do it online that's how I think of it so so do you think segregation is evil and wrong I mean black people weren't even able to
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join sorority s until 2012 so not the PHD one so you know segregation here GE
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in know that's not true and like there's okay when were when were um phc sororities and frater is
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desegregated 2013 so you're trying to tell me that black people were not able to join a fraternity because of remember
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George Wallace too segregation now segregation you know for All Forever that's what will that's what you're espousing when you say that black only
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graduation ceremonies or dormitories black only graduation uh ceremonies are the least of our problems least of yours do you think that you'll be able to go
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to a HBCU and have this same turnout and have these same people I not let me I would hope so but I mean so what would
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you say to them but here's the thing I'm sorry what what would you say to a room full of black people about you know what i' say I'd say your skin color means
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nothing you're made in the image of God you're right but oh completely agree but I can tell you I can tell you right now
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I can tell you right now I'm a Christian I believe in God but I I have been going here for three years I'm a junior I have Mo oh is it my I'm sorry you're um I
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have most definitely faced racism and Prejudice no matter what I believe in and it's it's just really hard to sit up here and listen to people come up here
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and say oh I don't want to learn CRT it's just making you able to interact with other types of people I have no problem no it's not so let me just tell
Chapter 4: Atlanta Segregation
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you so at the Georgia public schools in Atlanta they put black sixth graders in one classroom and white sixth graders in another classroom is that evil I've
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never seen can you show me a video of those kids Atlanta of segregation of public schools it was I have not to interrupt but I have I have family
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members that go to to schools in these areas and I also have people who live in red lining districts asking do do you
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support segregation no I do not okay okay we agree therefore black only dormitories
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and black only graduation ceremonies and putting sixth graders in one classroom based on skin color other those are those are outgrowths of
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CRT so learning so okay so tell me give me an example of what critical race theory is I don't that my I'll be happy
Chapter 5: Critical Race Theory
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to tell you so critical race theory is an emphasis at saying skin color matters that the color of someone's skin is
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important in judging the value of the human being I get that but if I were if you were teaching a class that is like that was that was talking about critical
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race there we were all sitting here what would your what would your lecture be like well tell me what are what are your points like who is this author that you're reading hert maruza and an author
Chapter 6: OneDimensional Man
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by the last name of Spinosa wrote a book called one-dimensional man in the 1960s Herbert maruza came from the uh Frankfurt School in the 1930s and he
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started this at columia University coming out of a Marxist belief of power dynamics he believed that that power
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struggles were not just the rich versus the poor but also black versus white and he wanted to expand the kind of
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conversation to also engage racial Dynamics inherent in critical race theor is a belief that people are not individuals they're members of tribes
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inherent in the idea of critical race theory is that there is no free speech or reason or scientific inquiry these are white supremacist eurocentric
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constructs that have been put into the Western World and and the one that is the one that I think that is um most prevalent CRT believes racism is
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everywhere that racism is the norm that racism is within our systems it's in our language it's in our customs it's in our codes it's in all these sorts of things
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now that's a super quick version of what CRT is so happy to dive into that more but I think it's we don't have to over complicate it which is do you think
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people should be judged based on the color of their skin it's not that I think that but it's that it's happening and you cannot ignore that I might not
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be treated the same as him as she walks you're right it is happening like at Coca-Cola they saying they need to train their employees to abolish whiteness at
Chapter 7: CocaCola
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AT&T they said they need to train their employees to get rid of whiteness we have a supply and demand issue with racism in our country we have an
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incredibly low supply of racism and incredible demand to try to fulfill it so we've created racism where it doesn't exist and try to turn everyone into many
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racist against each other which has now manifested itself into a massive anti-white movement in our country where
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I believe more than anything else we should care about character not skin color do you agree with that it's not I don't I don't believe
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that you understand what I'm saying it's not that I don't agree with not um I'm sorry oh it's not that I don't agree
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with um you know what you just said but you have to realize that
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it's black people are like white people are not being hun haunted hunted after y'all can come here and live a great
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freaking life Alabama is a safe haven the PHD fraternities and sororities are a safe haven for white people you you're
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being hunted I let me tell okay y'all can laugh but until you have walked as a black person on this campus y'all y'all
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truly y'all truly don't understand and I and I I have I've gone to school white people my whole life I've I've gone so
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just I I will end with this um you're not being haunted at the University of Alabama and there is no Boogeyman that's trying to get you it's not you're making
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you're making you're making you live in the least racist country in the history of the world you're in Al you're in Alabama you are literally in the the
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place where it's it's not okay yes you mean you mean the place that has given you more talking time than any other
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person here to sh me down and be like go sit down I mean of course I'm going to talk to you that would have happened a 100
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years ago you're right 100 years ago you might not have been allowed to come into this room which would bow to you because
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which would have been evil no instead we are here we're creating a movement to say we never want to go back to the segregation that once existed in this
Chapter 8: Black Lives Matter
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country that is now being pushed by people in Corporate America in Academia and other places we want to strive for a
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country that cares about character and the soul and the spirit of the individual not on tribes not on the melanin content and people's skin and I
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will say this as compassionately as I can is that you are not being hunted as a black person in America there is not a
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single statistic that affirms that there's not a single data point instead the opposite is true we are the least racist most accepting multi-racial
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country in the history of the planet and I pray one day you'll be thankful to live in that country thank you for being here tonight thank
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you um Everybody CJ CJ come here really quick I have a question come here go right
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there so C okay just really quick you're a black person are you haunted at the University you know I don't I don't feel hunted at this University but I guess
Chapter 9: Closing Thoughts
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the difference between me and some people here is that I don't choose to be a victim Charlie which I think which I think is the biggest problem we have
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here today are people who wake up every single day looking for a reason to be oppressed looking for a reason to cry and make an excuse about why they're not
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in a position to go win I don't see the color of my skin as a disability I see it as simply an accessory that I couldn't control I've been black all my
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life I've been black today and I'm thriving here I think that's a that's a roll tide right there right I don't know and so CJ let me ask you CRT racist it's
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not just racist it's the exact iteration of white supremacy Just In Reverse I think it's important that we start teaching young people not to hate other
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people because of the glow their skin we can teach black people to be proud of who they are without telling white people that should be ashamed of who they are you know
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amen so closing thoughts CJ is this trying to divide the country it's it's not only trying to divide the country it's trying
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to break apart the foundation upon which it was built you know people forget the words of MLK Rosa Parks all those people who fought so hard for us to be United
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Country where we didn't see the color of swan skin but the but their character this is about taking us away from the vision and the dream of Martin Luther
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King and just taking us to the dream of KLA Harris and I don't want to live that dream amen CJ you're a great America give it up for CJ everybody so
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good good God bless you man everybody this was great tonight I want to thank some of the disagreements it was great as always everybody Alabama is a great
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state it truly is and I just want to say God bless this wonderful country and for everyone being here tonight and in closing this the future is dependent on
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what you do if we act and if we're optimistic and solution oriented our best days are ahead it is a gift from
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the Lord to live in America the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world God bless you guys and Roll
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Tide God bless
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