Charlie Kirk Reacts to First American Pope Robert Francis Prevost Elected as Leo the Fourteenth

[00:00] Uh that is the first American pope. Is

[00:02] that right? If if we heard that

[00:04] correctly. Robert Francis Provost. Uh

[00:06] Pope Leo the 14th 14th. Uh John, that is

[00:10] the first ever American pope. John, this

[00:12] was not on anyone's

[00:15] uh card. John, please. Uh so sort of

[00:20] this guy came in the running the last

[00:23] minute. Now this uh to be quite frank,

[00:26] okay? Uh roughly three days ago,

[00:28] Charlie, in a span of roughly 36 hours,

[00:32] every single major what you and I would

[00:36] call liberalleaning outlet ran PR uh

[00:40] stories in favor of this guy. That

[00:42] includes the New York Times. I think the

[00:44] Guardian had an article and this guy a

[00:46] national Catholic reporter which is like

[00:49] the anti-atholic paper. Okay. So all

[00:51] these guy all these papers all of a

[00:53] sudden did this huge ground support for

[00:57] Robert Prevost. Okay. So what does that

[01:00] I mean where does that tell you about

[01:02] what kind of man this is? I mean time

[01:04] will tell. I myself do not know him

[01:06] well. Um I have heard concerns about him

[01:11] uh that he leans in the direction of

[01:14] Francis. Uh but you know let's give this

[01:16] guy of course the benefit of the doubt.

[01:18] uh if he hasn't even come on loach yet,

[01:20] let's just see, you know, uh uh who he

[01:23] is and how he will govern the church uh

[01:26] in this next time ahead. But just that

[01:28] is an interesting biographical fact that

[01:30] he shot to the the head of everyone's

[01:32] thoughts and minds about 3 days ago. One

[01:35] second. First American pope. Wow.

[01:38] [Music]

[01:49] Okay. Well, the first American pope,

[01:50] keep keep talking, John. Um, he seems to

[01:53] be some people say he's a centrist,

[01:55] blending progressivism with traditional

[01:58] doctrine. Born in Chicago, so I have

[02:00] that in common. Uh, so what do we think

[02:04] here, John? Why do you think he was

[02:05] selected?

[02:07] Okay, so there's the US element. That's

[02:09] right. I mean, he's lived all around.

[02:10] born in the the the best city in the

[02:12] world, Chicago, where where I'm also

[02:13] from, Charlie. Um, you know, there's

[02:16] American element here, too. And let me

[02:17] tell you why that might be. Again, like

[02:19] we've said before, traditionally, almost

[02:21] never does a conclave choose a pope from

[02:24] the world's reigning superpower just for

[02:26] credential reasons. But there's a

[02:29] pragmatic reality going on here. The

[02:31] Vatican is b is almost bankrupt, right?

[02:34] Uh people stopped giving to the Vatican

[02:36] the last 12 years. And honestly, it was

[02:39] welld deserved. I mean, for instance, we

[02:42] had money that we had given as Catholics

[02:44] across the world to the Peters Pence

[02:45] collection. Pope Francis and his wisdom

[02:48] decided to give half a million uh to the

[02:51] immigrant migration bans that were

[02:52] coming across to our border. So,

[02:55] Americans were rightly upset. Uh now,

[02:57] when you make a when you when you piss

[02:59] off Americans, considering that we fund,

[03:03] you know, I I'm just taking a ballpark

[03:05] guess at least 50% of the Vatican. Okay.

[03:08] Well, that's not a good business model.

[03:09] So, you know, this week coincided with

[03:11] what's called America week when a lot of

[03:13] the big uh bigger name Catholic American

[03:15] philanthropists gather in Rome once a

[03:17] year and they kind of discuss uh uh

[03:19] where they want to give their money,

[03:21] right, which is a great thing. Well, I

[03:23] know that they made their presence felt

[03:25] saying, you know, we definitely want a a

[03:28] pope is going to bring things back. So,

[03:30] who knows? that might be a contributing

[03:31] factor that the Conflate knew that it

[03:33] had to get, you know, get the good

[03:35] graces of the American lady back there

[03:37] um to help with their financial

[03:38] situation because obviously they do some

[03:39] good work, uh the Vatican does there and

[03:41] that and that with the works of charity.

[03:43] So that might be an interesting angle

[03:46] about why there you go. You got the flag

[03:48] in the square. You got the uh the red,

[03:49] white, and blue uh flying uh flying

[03:52] proud there. So it's interesting,

[03:54] Charlie. Time will tell about where uh

[03:57] Pope Prevost or whoever the name I

[03:59] missed the name or Leo the 14th how Pope

[04:01] Leo I 14th will conduct his affairs.

[04:05] Uh do we still have So Blake, what this

[04:07] is a shock first ever American pope. I I

[04:09] was literally yesterday I was telling

[04:11] one of the staffers I was like, "Okay,

[04:12] there's various contenders. They'll

[04:13] probably never pick an Americanist

[04:15] pope." And I just got I got owned very

[04:18] badly. I did fortunately say all

[04:21] predictions wrong or your money back and

[04:23] you get total surprise ones and this is

[04:26] definitely uh like you said there was

[04:29] some coverage of him as a potential pope

[04:32] but very much second third tier even of

[04:35] the potential candidates. Um there will

[04:37] be a lot of efforts to define him. I

[04:40] suspect this can go in directions people

[04:43] don't expect very quickly. So I don't I

[04:45] don't want to assume anything. He might

[04:47] be I'm looking trying to see here. He

[04:49] might be the first August order of St.

[04:51] Augustine. You were asking me about uh

[04:54] uh orders of priest just the other day.

[04:56] Um and I think he might be the first

[04:59] pope from that order. He was the prior

[05:01] of of them. But uh oh man, this is this

[05:04] is big. I I I had a weird feeling. I was

[05:07] like, what if they're from America? And

[05:08] I was like, nah, no way. Yes, John.

[05:12] There's one thing, too. Um the reality

[05:14] of the modern language. I mean, we don't

[05:16] speak Latin anymore. Uh, and you know,

[05:18] we need a pope that can handle the

[05:20] English language really well, right?

[05:22] It's the governing language of the

[05:24] world. So, we missed that with under

[05:26] Frances. And a lot of times there was

[05:27] confusion about what did he really mean?

[05:30] He was speaking in Italian. He's

[05:31] speaking in Spanish. Well, we now have a

[05:33] pope who can handle himself well because

[05:36] he's going to be dealing with leaders

[05:37] from all over the world. And that is

[05:38] like like we know, it's the lingua, you

[05:40] know, it's the it's the language of uh

[05:42] it's the new French. It's it's what

[05:44] politicians speak among themselves. So,

[05:46] in that sense, it's a good thing. There

[05:48] there's a great website called

[05:50] collegeofcardinalsreport.com where they

[05:52] grade his stances on stuff. Uh and his

[05:55] grades aren't very important, by the

[05:56] way. Yeah. Uh we're going to read that.

[05:58] That report,

[06:00] Charlie, that report is legit. Okay.

[06:03] Edward Penn and Diane Montan, who

[06:05] actually standing to the left of me,

[06:07] they're the ones who put that 500page

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[07:08] watching history here. Again, we're

[07:10] still learning about uh this new pope.

[07:11] He is officially the pope. Is that

[07:13] right? Um there's that but there is an

[07:15] official I think there's no there's no

[07:16] electoral college on this one. No, but

[07:18] there is an official ceremony next

[07:20] Sunday, I believe, where all the heads

[07:21] of state come in. Uh and look, the the

[07:24] Pope, we don't know a lot. We do know

[07:25] that he attacked JD Vance back in

[07:27] February. I believe this is a legitimate

[07:29] Twitter account. Uh he said JD Vance is

[07:31] wrong. Jesus doesn't ask us to rank our

[07:34] love for others.

[07:36] Boy, that's a misinterpretation what JD

[07:38] was saying, but okay, we'll see. We'll

[07:40] find out more. So, uh, now we have Frank

[07:42] Pavone. Uh, Frank, great to see you.

[07:44] Thank you for taking the time. What is,

[07:46] uh, your reaction to this new

[07:48] announcement?

[07:49] Well, I'm astonished that they chose an

[07:51] American. What a surprise. Um, and I

[07:54] have some connections to this cardinal.

[07:56] Uh, our, you know, our associate

[07:57] director at Priest for Life is also an

[07:59] Austinian, Father Dennis Wild. He's been

[08:01] with us since 1998. and uh he he knew uh

[08:06] uh the the new pope uh when he was at

[08:08] Villanova and and he started um POS

[08:12] started Villanovven's for life and um we

[08:15] know you know this there's a lot to be

[08:17] unpacked here um but you know the name

[08:20] Leo that's important as well and I'm

[08:22] sure a lot of comment is going to be

[08:24] about you know what is he trying to

[08:25] convey by Leo Leo the 14th Leo the 13th

[08:29] was known of course for his emphasis on

[08:31] Catholic social teaching ing and um

[08:34] enabling the church to speak to the

[08:36] modern age when it came to uh the social

[08:39] doctrine of the church. So hopefully

[08:42] there we're going to see uh a um a

[08:45] better handling of this than we saw

[08:48] under Francis and uh a little bit more

[08:51] uh doctrine put in along with just the

[08:54] idea of embracing and accompanying

[08:56] people. But that remains to be seen. I'm

[08:58] confident that we've done now what I

[09:01] thought we were going to do, what I

[09:03] thought the Cardinals were going to do

[09:04] was to make some kind of a course

[09:06] correction. I don't think this is going

[09:08] to be uh Francis II. Um but a lot

[09:12] remains to be seen because Charlie, the

[09:14] office shapes the man also, you know,

[09:16] and and and and I think we're going to

[09:18] see that happen too. Uh so what what

[09:21] then is the

[09:23] expectation? Will how does this work?

[09:25] Does a pope give like a couple formal

[09:27] speeches to kind of set the tone of his

[09:30] papacy? H how does that work, Frank?

[09:33] We will see a few things start to

[09:35] happen. One of the most important

[09:37] things, just like we see in the civic

[09:38] arena, is what kind of appointments he

[09:41] will start making. Now, it's interesting

[09:43] they chose a man here who was in charge

[09:45] of the congregation for bishops. So over

[09:48] recent uh uh years he has been

[09:52] responsible for the selection of bishops

[09:55] which of course is a primary

[09:56] responsibility of the pope to assign

[09:58] bishops to dasceses. So we're going to

[10:01] see very soon not only in terms of whom

[10:03] he appoints as bishops but whom he

[10:06] appoints in the various offices of the

[10:08] Vatican because he has the prerogative

[10:09] to you know bring in his own people or

[10:12] to let those who are in place now stay

[10:14] in place. I would look at that as much

[10:16] as um the speeches he will give. He will

[10:19] be giving speeches now regularly. Uh uh

[10:22] hopefully he'll be of the style where uh

[10:24] we hear a lot from him. You know, hopes

[10:26] that uh you know, we'll preach every day

[10:28] and and and and send out lots of uh

[10:31] messages. I think that's good. I hope he

[10:33] uh takes the social media right away for

[10:36] the sake of transparency. Um but yes, we

[10:39] will see over the next few weeks we'll

[10:41] be able to assess I think pretty quickly

[10:43] the direction in which his uh thinking

[10:45] is going to go. So uh Taylor Marshall uh

[10:49] is saying this is bad. But I mean again

[10:51] I'm not trying I'm not even weighing in

[10:52] on it. This is not my thing. Right.

[10:54] John, what do you think here? I mean I

[10:56] want we want to keep this uplifting and

[10:58] I'm trying to I'm the Protestant here. I

[11:00] want a good conservative

[11:03] traditionalbased pro-life. What did we

[11:05] get here?

[11:08] I think just I think honesty is the best

[11:12] uh recipe for for true enthusiasm and

[11:15] hope and I I have to admit I do have

[11:18] cause for concern for great concern

[11:20] although what father Frank was just

[11:22] saying it's also true that you know a

[11:25] pope someone can change once they've

[11:28] been handed the responsibility of 1.2

[11:30] two billion Catholics, right? But prior

[11:33] to this, I mean, the scorecard speaks

[11:35] for itself, you know, Poland in the

[11:39] 1950s,60s,7s, 80s made Caroli, John Paul

[11:43] II. In the same way, FBOS, Pope Leo I

[11:47] 14th carries his background. And you

[11:49] said it yourself, what's the scorecard?

[11:52] He was ambiguous on same-sex blessings.

[11:56] I'm sorry, but the Bible is not

[11:59] ambiguous on that central issue. So, he

[12:02] also in during his speech, you know,

[12:03] there was, you know, good and said a lot

[12:06] of the the right things. I mean, but he

[12:08] did use that word dialogue. dialogue has

[12:12] been hijacked by the left inside our

[12:16] church and outside of our church church

[12:18] as it's kind of a false idea that we can

[12:21] uh yes talk with the world but never

[12:24] call them to repentance. You're going to

[12:26] laugh but I'm looking behind there's

[12:28] another rooftop and on that rooftop

[12:30] right now is a priest by the name of

[12:32] father James Martin. He's caused great

[12:35] scandal in the Catholic church and what

[12:37] does he run with? He was very close to

[12:38] Pope Francis and he ran with dialogue.

[12:41] Let's let's welcome everyone in the

[12:43] church but never call them in

[12:44] repentance. I'm sorry but you can't do

[12:46] that. You must be like Christ and you

[12:50] know address their sin. So we'll see.

[12:52] You know um time will tell. Don't forget

[12:55] if the New York Times or the liberal

[12:57] newspapers are running positive media

[12:59] about you that should make you think

[13:01] twice. And that is what happened last

[13:04] three days with Cardinal Prevos. But you

[13:07] know, I think Charlie uh it would be

[13:09] good at some point maybe we just we'd

[13:11] offer a prayer in our own way for for

[13:12] this man for the mission that he is

[13:14] about to undertake. Okay. I mean, look,

[13:17] not not everyone was doing it in 2020.

[13:18] Well, not us, but uh Mr. Pos, the new

[13:21] pope, was retweeting uh George Floyd

[13:24] propaganda, but that is what it is.

[13:25] Whatever. So, um again, I'm not I'm not

[13:27] Catholic, so you guys can sort this out

[13:29] amongst yourselves. Let's talk about the

[13:30] American aspect of this. Um I'll start

[13:32] with you, Frank. Frank, what do you

[13:34] think this will mean for the country,

[13:35] for our nation that we love to have a

[13:38] pope from America? He's also from He's

[13:40] from America, but he served in Peru, but

[13:42] he will be known as the American Pope.

[13:44] And also just what is there something

[13:46] else going on here? Why they would go

[13:48] out of their way to choose an American

[13:49] pope?

[13:50] Frank, that that's the most surprising

[13:53] element of this to me. And and I think

[13:55] that we can first of all say one of my

[13:57] concerns, you know, our concerns with

[14:00] Pope Francis was he didn't seem to

[14:02] understand or appreciate uh what was

[14:04] going on here in America uh our American

[14:07] politics certainly. And uh you know not

[14:10] to say that this is uh uh necessarily

[14:13] going to be a you know pro Trump uh pope

[14:16] uh but I have the hope that you know at

[14:19] least coming from a more of a

[14:21] familiarity with America he will be able

[14:24] to work better with the Trump

[14:26] administration than Pope Francis did. Um

[14:29] now having said that again we'll have to

[14:31] just see the specifics as they unfold.

[14:34] Uh the other thought is very interesting

[14:35] like what you said about John Paul going

[14:37] back to Poland. Certainly he's going to

[14:40] make trips to America and uh I think

[14:42] this can um really engage the attention

[14:45] of the American public to you know what

[14:48] is what is a pope anyway you know and

[14:49] get get a renewed interest in what is

[14:52] going on with the Catholic Church. Um,

[14:54] but I'm even more excited about the

[14:55] other the in the opposite direction or

[14:57] how the understanding of America and our

[15:00] constitution and our system of

[15:01] government will affect the way he uh

[15:04] leads the whole church and the way he

[15:06] works with the current administration.

[15:09] Stay right there. One final

[15:12] segment. I'll go through it. John, what

[15:14] is your thought of an American pope?

[15:17] What what will this mean for our

[15:18] homeland?

[15:21] I mean, on its face, you know, it could

[15:23] be do some a lot of good. Like Father

[15:25] Frank said, there's he's going to make

[15:26] some trips probably to the United

[15:27] States, which they had large gatherings.

[15:30] Uh, but here's another thing to throw at

[15:32] you. We've had arguably one of the most

[15:34] confusing pontificates under Pope

[15:36] Francis. Well, what have the numbers

[15:38] shown? We've had a rise in the number of

[15:42] Catholic conversions across the country.

[15:44] Uh so it's kind of a paradox in some

[15:46] ways that you might have a pope who

[15:48] wasn't whatever you know more

[15:50] progressive but yet you had all these

[15:51] convergence. So it's not necessarily uh

[15:54] symmetrical. Uh it can help for sure uh

[15:58] but you know that remains to be seen. I

[16:00] think at the end of the day what's going

[16:02] to create conversions it you know it's

[16:05] kind of like how Trump won the White

[16:08] House. It wasn't Trump that won the

[16:10] White House. He did of course on his

[16:11] personality but it was us who saw our

[16:14] task our own mission. In this case it's

[16:17] a mission of holiness of getting to

[16:18] heaven and becoming Christlike which is

[16:21] going to create the witness and create

[16:22] more conversion. So pope or not,

[16:24] American or not, gringo or not, holy

[16:26] pope or or or sinner pope, it's up to

[16:30] us. That that's how we're going to make

[16:31] the change. I really believe that. Stay

[16:32] right there. More after the break.

[16:38] [Music]

[16:42] They're really playing into the more

[16:43] religious theme here, right? Like like

[16:45] what can we expect out of an American

[16:47] pope? And then you want to go more into

[16:48] the history. Yeah. Well, so an American

[16:50] pop what we can expect and this is not

[16:52] even necessarily the fault of the new

[16:54] pope. 100% you will see obviously a big

[16:58] attempt by media in the US, media

[17:00] worldwide to play up any conflict

[17:03] between the American Pope and the

[17:05] American president. Even if he doesn't

[17:08] play into that directly, they will do

[17:09] it. They will hype it up. They will try.

[17:11] They will try to generate that. So, we

[17:12] have to be ready for that. We have to be

[17:14] ready to not fall into this trap where

[17:16] like, "Oh, this like atheist guy at the

[17:19] New York Times is saying the Pope said

[17:21] this, so I have to agree with what the

[17:23] atheist guy at the New York Times says

[17:25] I'm supposed to think about what the

[17:26] Pope says about the president." You

[17:28] can't fall for this stuff. Don't Don't

[17:31] let it brainwash you in any way. There

[17:34] will be attempts to do that. Uh, I've

[17:36] been spending while we've been talking

[17:37] here, I was looking up he's Leo the

[17:39] 14th. We haven't had a Leo Pope in over

[17:41] a hundred years. Uh, we don't know for

[17:44] sure who this was inspired by, but a

[17:46] good bet is you look at the last guy to

[17:47] hold that name. Uh, Leo I 13th was pope

[17:51] for quite a long time, about 25 years.

[17:53] He's one of the longest reigning popes

[17:55] ever. Uh, he's pretty interesting. He's

[17:57] from a period where they were called the

[17:58] prisoner of the Vatican. So, uh, Italy

[18:00] had conquered the Papal States, which

[18:02] used to be a thing. And because the pope

[18:05] did not recognize this, for the 25 years

[18:07] he was pope, he did not leave Vatican

[18:09] City. So 25 years just in that little

[18:12] St. Peter's Basilica area, could not

[18:15] leave, refused to leave, I should say.

[18:17] Uh but what Leo the 13th was interesting

[18:19] about, he was kind of the first pope to

[18:22] really engage with what we would call

[18:25] modernday like economic and social

[18:28] issues. So he wrote encyclicals where he

[18:30] would say basically uh capital has duty

[18:34] to labor. You have to treat workers

[18:35] well. Workers have to have certain

[18:37] rights. And this would cause people to

[18:38] have different takes on him. They would

[18:40] say he was you know favorable that it

[18:42] was like pro-socialist or proto Marxist.

[18:44] It wasn't really. He was more kind of

[18:46] cutting a middle path between uh sort of

[18:50] you know left-wing economics and like

[18:53] capitalism carving trying to carve out

[18:55] his own sort of Catholic position on it.

[18:57] Another thing he promoted which I think

[18:59] we would have some sympathy with is he

[19:01] called it uh subsidiarity which is that

[19:04] decisions generally should be made at a

[19:08] local at a smaller level rather than

[19:10] imposed uh by very high up authorities

[19:14] as a principle of government. And you

[19:16] know as American conservatives we're

[19:18] obviously sympathetic to that uh in an

[19:20] innate sort of way. So that's just

[19:23] looking at what he might be drawing

[19:25] inspiration from. I think initially we

[19:27] could look at well he picked this guy's

[19:30] name. So I think you'll see a lot of

[19:31] people talking about that in the days to

[19:33] come. Final thoughts Frank and then

[19:35] we'll throw it to John. Uh Frank final

[19:37] thoughts. You know one of the keys to

[19:39] the thinking of a bishop or a cardinal

[19:41] is his coat of arms. They have a

[19:44] particular uh choice of a motto that

[19:47] they put on their coat of arms. And for

[19:49] Cardinal Pvost it is in the one Christ

[19:53] we are one. And I like that very much

[19:56] because obviously, you know, and he

[19:58] started out his remarks today by doing

[20:00] what? By talking about the risen Christ.

[20:02] You know, he didn't start by talking

[20:03] about himself. And this is really what a

[20:05] pope is supposed to do. Uh and in the

[20:07] one Christ, we are one. Uh gives we're

[20:10] going to have to unpack that in the

[20:12] coming weeks and months and see how

[20:14] that's a key to his thinking. But uh it

[20:17] could it could point to a good effort to

[20:19] heal uh the divisions that have happened

[20:21] in the church. Certainly the divisions

[20:22] among the wider body of Christ. Uh and

[20:24] of course what always has to be front

[20:27] and center for pointing to the one Lord

[20:30] and head of the church who is Jesus

[20:32] Christ. Take this for whatever it's

[20:34] worth. He is a registered Republican.

[20:36] Our Turning Point Action team actually

[20:38] pulled this. He No, this is I'm not

[20:40] kidding. This is credit to Tyler in

[20:42] turning point action and he voted in

[20:44] Republican primaries when he was not uh

[20:46] living in Peru. Final thoughts, John

[20:50] Charlie, are you okay if I lead you all

[20:51] in a prayer just for the what this means

[20:53] around the world? Yes.

[20:56] Uh we ask the heavenly father right now

[21:00] to bless Christians around this world in

[21:02] this moment for the universal church. We

[21:04] ask Christians to renew their love for

[21:07] the Lord and may he bless us right now.

[21:10] Bless Robert Prebos and his role as as

[21:13] pope of Catholics around the world. And

[21:16] we ask that our lady be close to him and

[21:18] ultimately keep us centered on what

[21:22] truly matters, reaching heaven and

[21:24] bringing people there with us. The name

[21:26] of Jesus Christ, the Lord. Amen. Amen.

[21:30] Thank you, John. Thank you, Frank and

[21:32] Blake. We'll wrap this up about 30

[21:33] seconds. Thank you, guys. Uh I know this

[21:35] was a live breaking show. Thank you to

[21:37] Parker and Rob Sig from Real America's

[21:39] Voice for allowing us to go through two

[21:40] hours straight here. Uh, and there is a

[21:42] new pope. It is Leo the 14th, right? Leo

[21:45] the 14th. Pope Leo the 14th from

[21:47] Chicago. I got to wear my Cubs hat

[21:50] tomorrow. And he is a registered

[21:52] Republican who votes in Republican

[21:53] primaries. The primary is the key. If he

[21:55] was like faking it, he wouldn't vote in

[21:57] the Republican primaries in Chicago.

[21:59] That's like a you would not do that

[22:00] unless you actually believe it. So, he

[22:02] might be a single issue pro-life voter,

[22:03] which honestly would be, you know, not

[22:06] the worst thing. Email us freedom

[22:09] charharliekirk.com. See you guys

[22:10] tomorrow.

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