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A Friendship Forged Across Political Lines
Charlie Kirk opens the segment by declaring that confirming Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy Jr is a top priority for both his program and Turning Point Action. He welcomes Meghan McCain, acknowledging that while they've been on different sides during the Trump era, they stand in complete agreement on these two nominations.
McCain shares the unexpected origin of her friendship with Gabbard, which spans approximately eight years. Van Jones initially brought them together, believing they were alike and should become friends. After Gabbard appeared on The View, the two women had lunch in New York and closed down the restaurant, bonding deeply over shared experiences and values. That connection evolved into a close friendship, with Gabbard now serving as godmother to McCain's eldest daughter.
McCain describes Gabbard in glowing terms: "She's the bravest most talented woman I've ever met. She really loves America and she loves God and the National Security of this country is something she takes to heart with her every single night. It's like a burden she takes with her." McCain expresses horror that Gabbard faces any confirmation trouble at all, particularly from Republican senators.
Weak Objections From Republican Senators
Kirk presses McCain on the specific objections being raised by senators like James Lankford and Todd Young. He spent the weekend trying to understand their concerns, noting that dismissing Gabbard as a "Russian agent" is completely nonsensical given her sterling FBI background check, current security clearance, and continued military service.
McCain admits confusion about the senators' positions, especially since they represent overwhelmingly pro-Trump states. Every county in Oklahoma went for Trump, she notes, making their hesitation particularly puzzling. She attributes their concerns to propaganda against a current member of the military who has repeatedly put her life on the line for American freedom.
McCain specifically calls out false narratives promoted by Hillary Clinton and Bari Weiss on Joe Rogan, which she believes created slander that wasn't sufficiently challenged. She emphasizes her own family's history, noting that her father couldn't legally travel to Russia because they were sanctioned: "Do you think I would be friends with someone who was compromised by Russia? It's absurdity."
The Stakes for the New Republican Coalition
McCain issues a stark warning to senators considering voting against Gabbard or RFK Jr. She promises to do anything in her power to ensure there are consequences, because these confirmations represent more than just cabinet positions. They symbolize the new coalition in the Republican party, particularly the women and moms who came out in droves, many as first-time Trump voters, specifically because they wanted this "dream team."
She argues these voters deserve to have their choices respected in the cabinet. Without a legitimate reason beyond internet propaganda, McCain declares herself heartbroken by the opposition. However, she remains confident they'll get Gabbard confirmed, adding that if they don't, "there will be hell to pay." Kirk enthusiastically agrees, committing to launching primary challenges against any Republicans who vote against these nominations.
The Moms and Women Who Changed the Republican Party
Kirk references something McCain said on the Mark Halperin show that resonated with him: millions of moms and women are now Republican specifically because of the Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard "Unity party." When Kirk speaks to DC insiders, they dismiss this as overrated, but he knows it's actually one of the decisive ingredients in the new Republican governing majority.
McCain provides anecdotal but powerful evidence. Every woman in her life except two voted for Trump, and many were not traditional Trump supporters. They became radicalized during COVID with the lockdowns and vaccines, and RFK Jr and Gabbard gave them new hope for the future. Issues like transgender athletes in women's sports also played a role, but these two figures provided a safe space to vote for Trump for people who were on the edge, independent, or had been Democrats.
McCain points to Jessica Tarlov who runs the House Inhabit Instagram account as an example of the wave of women supporting RFK Jr, Gabbard, and Trump. She emphasizes the importance of not losing these voters, thinking ahead to elections four and eight years from now. McCain expresses that she's never felt more validated after years of being attacked for being Republican, and she loves seeing everything she said come true. RFK Jr and Gabbard are integral to maintaining this momentum.
The Health Revolution Bobby Kennedy Represents
Kirk shifts to discussing the specific contribution of Bobby Kennedy, noting that he has put a health emphasis on the Republican party that moms are very conscious of. Kirk recalls that 10 or 15 years ago, healthy eating and questioning the healthcare system were primarily Democrat concerns. Now these issues have migrated to the conservative and Republican party. Beyond being politically advantageous, Kirk argues it's morally right given how sick American children have become, drowning in chronic illness. He believes Kennedy represents a 10 to 15 percent boost for the Republican party.
McCain shares that she became much more aware of health and food issues during COVID, like everyone else. She has not given her children the COVID vaccine, though they are vaccinated with other vaccines, because she's fearful of the COVID vaccine specifically. She started reading about different health topics and it opened her mind to how much the government lies to Americans.
McCain describes a realization about a group of people who will lie forever, who locked down children and destroyed their mental health without caring about moms or kids or their health. She questions why so many foods legal in America are banned in Europe. Why are Skittles banned in Europe but not here? Why is a coffee creamer she uses banned everywhere else but legal in America? She shouldn't have to do this much homework to keep her family safe.
Kennedy represents new hope for parents genuinely worried about their children being poisoned by food. McCain is far from alone in this concern. One key takeaway from sitting with Gabbard at her hearing was that senators really don't understand this movement. Senators Young and Lankford, along with Democrats, seem completely disconnected from MAHA (Make America Healthy Again) moms and this coalition of people, which is pathetic given how large a swath of the American public they represent.
A Warning to Senators
McCain closes with another warning: if senators somehow blow these confirmations, there will be consequences. Never underestimate what moms of America can do when they're angry and upset. Her Governor in Virginia got elected because moms were told they didn't have a right to send their kids to whatever school they wanted.
She expresses frustration that she doesn't know how to make senators like Lankford and Young understand that this isn't just about them. It's about a mandate from the American people that President Trump is helping execute. Kirk thanks McCain for her time, directing listeners to the Citizen McCain podcast, and reiterating their shared agreement that Gabbard and Kennedy are essential for the big party governing coalition.
Video Transcript
[00:00] we absolutely need Tulsi gabard and
[00:02] Bobby Kennedy it is Mission critical top
[00:04] priority of this program top priority of
[00:06] Turning Point action Tulsi is one of the
[00:08] greatest people I've ever had a chance
[00:10] to know and joining us now is a dear
[00:12] friend of Tulsi gabard uh Megan McCain
[00:14] Megan great to see you Megan you and I
[00:16] have been on different sides of certain
[00:18] issues during the Trump era uh but we're
[00:21] on 100% agreement on tulsey gabard and
[00:23] Bobby Kennedy so great to have you here
[00:25] and I've really enjoyed your commentary
[00:28] in support of both please walk us
[00:30] through your friendship with Tulsi
[00:31] gabard and why you believe Tulsi should
[00:33] be confirmed as dni director well first
[00:36] of all thank you for giving me the
[00:37] opportunity to come on and speak with
[00:39] you today uh Charlie it's really a
[00:41] pleasure um I've known Telsa a really
[00:43] long time I was even trying to remember
[00:44] how long I think it's like eight years
[00:45] at this point and um we became friends
[00:48] through van Jones of all people who said
[00:50] that we were a lot alike and he wanted
[00:51] us to become friends and we just had
[00:54] this lunch one day in New York after she
[00:56] came on The View and we like closed the
[00:58] restaurant down and we're like crying
[01:00] over like bonding over different things
[01:02] and we've just maintained a really close
[01:04] friendship for years now she's the
[01:05] Godmother to my eldest daughter and
[01:07] she's one of the greatest Patriots um
[01:11] humans she's the bravest most talented
[01:14] woman I've ever met it's a privilege to
[01:16] be her friend um I don't talk to her
[01:18] that way that we're like normal friends
[01:19] I don't like tell her this all the time
[01:21] but um she really loves America and she
[01:24] loves God and the National Security of
[01:26] this country is something she takes to
[01:28] heart with her every single night it's
[01:30] like a burden she takes with her and I
[01:32] just think we are so lucky as Americans
[01:34] to have her put in this position and
[01:37] quite frankly I'm horrified that she's
[01:39] having any trouble at all I'm horrified
[01:41] that there are Senators like young and
[01:42] lenford that are hesitating in any way I
[01:45] think it's despicable she's a combat
[01:46] veteran she's more accomplished in my
[01:48] opinion than anyone who's being put up
[01:50] uh in this segment of cabinet members
[01:52] I'm I'm a fan of rfks and I like cash
[01:54] Patel as well this is not to denigrate
[01:55] them but she is highly qualified and it
[01:58] is imperative to this country and to the
[02:01] administration that she gets over the
[02:03] line I I totally agree with you and so
[02:06] just the objections that some of these
[02:08] senators are raising are so weak and
[02:11] I've I spent a lot of time over the
[02:12] weekend trying to contact some of their
[02:14] senators or friends of them so okay well
[02:16] what is the what is the issue here and
[02:18] you're you're not allowed to use Russian
[02:19] agent because that's BS it's completely
[02:21] nonsensical and it's as if they it's
[02:25] just like weaponized semantics I mean
[02:27] what is it because she has a totally
[02:29] clean FBI background check like Sterling
[02:31] she currently has a security clearance
[02:33] she served her country and continues to
[02:35] serve her country all of these kind of
[02:38] talking points against her are just
[02:40] nonsensical what what is their
[02:42] contention and your message to those
[02:45] Republican Senators that seem to be
[02:48] putting up an unnecessary fight look I'm
[02:52] not traditionally mag as you know even
[02:54] though I'm really happy with this moment
[02:55] I was telling a producer it's like a
[02:57] time of New Hope for I think all
[02:58] Republicans and I'm really quite frankly
[03:00] enjoying the cultural shift towards the
[03:02] right um I don't understand because I
[03:05] know that Senator Langford and senat
[03:07] Senator young come from states that are
[03:09] basically 100% Maga I think all counties
[03:11] in Oklahoma went for Trump um I didn't
[03:14] understand their line of questioning
[03:16] other than I think there's been a lot of
[03:17] really disgusting and abhorent
[03:19] propaganda against again a current
[03:22] member of the military has put her life
[03:24] on the line multiple times for our
[03:25] freedom um I think there's been a lot of
[03:27] slander sadly from people like Hillary
[03:29] Clinton and bar Weiss on Joe Rogan that
[03:31] took on a life of its own and quite
[03:33] frankly wasn't squandered enough I know
[03:35] her so well and again I'm I'm someone
[03:38] like my dad couldn't legally travel to
[03:40] Russia because we were sanctioned do you
[03:41] think I would be friends with someone
[03:42] who was compromised by Russia it's
[03:44] absurdity and I just find it disgusting
[03:47] leftwing propaganda that for some reason
[03:49] there are some Republicans that have
[03:50] bought into but I would I just want to
[03:53] tell you Mr Kirk today if anyone votes
[03:56] against her I promise you I will do
[03:58] anything in my power to make sure there
[04:00] are consequences for this or RFK for
[04:02] that matter because this is more it's
[04:04] about more than just Tulsi and RFK this
[04:06] is about the new Coalition in the
[04:08] Republican party and particularly women
[04:10] and moms who came out in droves a lot of
[04:13] firsttime trump voters who came out and
[04:15] voted because they wanted this you know
[04:17] Squad of people they wanted the dream
[04:19] team which includes RFK and tulsy gabard
[04:21] and they deserve to have their choices
[04:23] in the cabinet it is not up to just
[04:26] these people and you can't give me a
[04:27] real reason you don't like uh you know
[04:29] tulsy other than you know you've you've
[04:32] listened to some propaganda on the
[04:33] internet and I just I'm heartbroken by
[04:35] it but I do think we're going to get her
[04:36] over the line and if for some reason we
[04:38] don't I promise you I there will be hell
[04:41] to pay and I hope that you will join me
[04:42] in
[04:43] getting it I I I will join you in
[04:46] launching primaries against these people
[04:48] it's so inexcusable there there there is
[04:50] there is no argument there I want you to
[04:52] dive deeper into this Megan because I
[04:53] was really taken by something you said
[04:55] on the mark Halprin show that I totally
[04:57] agree that there are Millions we don't
[05:00] know the number but a significant
[05:01] portion of moms and women that are now
[05:05] Republican and voting Republican because
[05:07] of the Bobby Kennedy Tulsi gabard Unity
[05:10] party when I speak to DC insiders they
[05:12] think that's overrated obviously because
[05:15] they're high on their own Supply I don't
[05:17] I know it's not overrated I think it's
[05:18] actually one of the decisive ingredients
[05:21] to this new Republican governing
[05:23] majority please speak more about this a
[05:26] lot of moms and this is obviously
[05:28] anecdotal in my life but every single
[05:30] woman in my life except for like two
[05:32] voted for Trump and some of them were
[05:34] not traditional Trump supporters and it
[05:36] was in no small part because of how
[05:38] radicalized they became during covid
[05:39] with the lockdowns and the vaccines and
[05:41] all the things we already know and RFK
[05:43] and Tulsi gave them a new hope for the
[05:46] future in lots of different ways and
[05:47] also you know trans people in sports
[05:49] like all the culture War things and I
[05:52] think that they gave a safe space to
[05:55] vote for Trump for people that were
[05:56] maybe on the edge or independent or had
[05:58] been Democrats in the past and I think
[06:00] when you look at people like Jessica
[06:01] Krauss who runs the incredible house
[06:02] inhabit Instagram account there is a
[06:05] momentous wave of women in this country
[06:07] who are supporting RFK and Tulsi Gabbert
[06:09] and Trump as a result and I don't want
[06:12] to lose these people I don't want to
[06:13] lose the future we have to start also
[06:15] looking at you know elections four years
[06:17] from now eight years from now I I love
[06:19] this cultural moment right now I've
[06:21] never felt more validated I spent so
[06:23] many years of my life getting my you
[06:24] know what kicked because I was
[06:26] Republican and to see everything I said
[06:28] come true I love this moment I don't
[06:30] want to lose it and RFK and tulsy gabard
[06:32] are integral to making sure we don't
[06:34] lose these people yeah and and I again
[06:36] like again they don't have a senate
[06:37] majority because of James lford okay
[06:39] like let's be honest like millions of
[06:41] moms did not show up to go vote it was
[06:43] because of President Trump's
[06:46] understanding and ability and honestly
[06:47] he deserve a lot of credit for like
[06:48] giving them the highest possible
[06:50] promotions of Tulsi and Bobby Kennedy
[06:52] let's talk about the Bobby Kennedy
[06:53] wrinkle uh for a second because we have
[06:56] touched on tulsey gabard he especially
[06:59] has
[07:00] put a health emphasis and a health focus
[07:02] on the Republican party that moms are
[07:04] very conscientious of that otherwise was
[07:06] not an element you you remember Megan
[07:08] like 10 or 15 years ago that was a
[07:10] primarily Democrat kind of Coalition
[07:13] eating healthy you know having you know
[07:15] having more uh questions about the
[07:18] Health Care system now it seems it has
[07:19] come to the conservative and the
[07:21] Republican party it's not just
[07:23] politically advantageous but it's also
[07:24] the morally right thing to do with our
[07:26] kids being so sick and so inexcusably
[07:28] drowning and chronic illness Bobby
[07:31] Kennedy represents a a 10 to 15% boost I
[07:34] think for the Republican party please
[07:36] speak about
[07:37] that look I was just watching a video
[07:40] right before I came on here about this
[07:41] organic eggs that I personally buy that
[07:43] apparently is really bad for you and if
[07:45] you look at the like subtext of the
[07:46] ingredients it's it's not they're not
[07:48] actually that organic I I think I became
[07:51] much more acutely aware of all of this
[07:53] during Co like everybody else because
[07:55] you know I I I have not given my
[07:57] children the covid vaccine they are
[07:59] vacinated and then by with other
[08:00] vaccines but I'm I'm very fearful of of
[08:03] the covid vaccine and I started reading
[08:05] the way everybody else did about you
[08:07] know different things and uh and it just
[08:09] I think started opening up a lot of
[08:11] people's minds about how much the
[08:12] government lies to us and to me it was
[08:14] like there's a group of people who will
[08:15] lie forever who will lock down our
[08:17] children to make sure that their mental
[08:19] health deteriorates to holy hell they do
[08:21] not care about moms they do not care
[08:23] about kids they do not care about their
[08:25] health I mean why do we have so many
[08:27] foods in this country that are legal
[08:29] Skittles are banned in Europe why why am
[08:32] I allowed to have Skittles here and not
[08:33] in Europe there's a coffee creamer that
[08:35] I use that's banned everywhere else but
[08:37] here I found that out why isn't that
[08:38] here why do I have to be doing this much
[08:40] homework and I think he's just showing a
[08:42] sign of New Hope for those of us like
[08:43] I'm genuinely worried about my children
[08:45] being poisoned by the food we're eating
[08:46] and I am far from the minority and again
[08:49] I one thing that I really took away
[08:50] because I sat with tulsy at her hearing
[08:52] last week or this week excuse me was
[08:54] that the Senators really don't
[08:56] understand this movement that was my big
[08:57] takeaway particularly from Senator young
[08:59] and senator lford and then obviously the
[09:00] Democrats it's like they obviously don't
[09:02] know any Maha moms they don't know this
[09:05] Coalition of people which is really
[09:06] quite frankly pathetic because it's such
[09:08] a huge you know swath of the American
[09:10] public but they need to understand if
[09:14] they blow this somehow there will be
[09:17] consequences to high hell I think moms
[09:19] of America never underestimate what they
[09:21] can do when they are angry and pissed
[09:22] off I mean my Governor here in Virginia
[09:25] got elected because moms were told that
[09:27] they didn't have a right to send their
[09:28] kids to whatever school that they wanted
[09:30] I I just they need to understand I don't
[09:32] know how to get people like Senator
[09:34] Langford and senat young Senator young
[09:35] to understand but this isn't just about
[09:37] them it's about a mandate from the
[09:38] American people that President Trump is
[09:40] helping
[09:41] execute well said Megan thank you for
[09:43] your time I want everyone to check out
[09:45] the citizen McCain podcast I believe
[09:47] that is the name and uh I I I could not
[09:50] be in more agreement that we need tulsy
[09:52] and Bobby Kennedy for this big party
[09:54] governing Coalition Megan thank you so
[09:56] much thank you for your time
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