Charlie Kirk Recaps His Bill Maher Interview with Alex Marlow

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[00:42] What was your reaction to my

[00:44] conversation with Bill Maher? I thought

[00:45] it was very friendly. Uh it was very

[00:48] cordial and in some ways very hopeful.

[00:51] Alex, your thoughts? Um so my reaction

[00:54] is very positive. I'm glad you're doing

[00:55] it. I'm glad he's doing this. So, in

[00:57] general, I'm in the camp that Mars

[01:00] stick, he's got a couple sticks, but one

[01:01] of them is he's saying all the stuff

[01:03] that folks like you and me and Steve and

[01:06] and all all Donald Trump were saying 8

[01:08] 10 years ago and people are talking

[01:10] about him like he's a genius for saying

[01:12] them. And I do find that a little

[01:13] irritating and frustrating. But he does

[01:15] have one other other stick that I love,

[01:18] which is he literally is the only person

[01:20] who's talking to all people of every

[01:22] political angle. I know you would talk

[01:24] to them, Charlie. I know I would talk to

[01:26] them on my show, but they don't tend to

[01:28] show up. For whatever reason, he's

[01:29] figured out a way to get all these

[01:31] people to show up and talk to him of all

[01:32] these different viewpoints and it is a

[01:34] terrific product that he puts out

[01:36] because of that. And it's not that he's

[01:38] so amazing, even though he's of course

[01:40] got some skills, uh, but his ability to

[01:42] bring people in is a skill in and of

[01:44] itself. And you've absolutely got to

[01:46] hand it to him for that. and it makes it

[01:47] so that you're able to get deeper on

[01:49] conversations and topics that you're

[01:51] just not going to be able to do in a

[01:53] two-minute soundbite or people talking

[01:54] past each other on social media. So, uh

[01:57] I'm glad you're doing it and I'm glad

[01:59] that uh this could be hopefully open up

[02:02] some doors for some people. Let's just

[02:03] play one piece of tape here and then I

[02:05] want to get into some of the news of the

[02:06] day. Uh because we did talk a lot about

[02:08] Garcia. That was a big portion of my

[02:10] conversation uh with Bill

[02:13] Maher. Let's play a little funny one.

[02:16] Let's play cut 123.

[02:19] Drink. No, I'm good. Thank you. You

[02:20] don't drink? No. Or smoke pot? No. And

[02:24] you're married and super Christian.

[02:25] We're going to get along great. You

[02:26] know, we're This is This is going to

[02:28] just be perfect. And we did get along

[02:30] great. It's It's a good example of how

[02:33] we can heal the country. Yeah, it is.

[02:36] And I do like that you guys got along. I

[02:37] think it's a good thing because for me,

[02:39] I I'm an information guy and I am

[02:42] ideologically conservative. I'm a

[02:44] Catholic. I'm a Christian. It's the I've

[02:46] been a Republican for my whole life,

[02:48] even though that's been hard sometimes.

[02:49] Uh, but I will tell you, Charlie, what

[02:51] what animates me more as a news person

[02:53] is what's next, what's coming down the

[02:55] pike, what's exciting, what interesting

[02:58] conversations are being had. And so, I

[03:00] want more of that. I don't need

[03:02] agreement. This world will be incredibly

[03:03] uninteresting if people only agreed. So,

[03:05] if there's a new uh willingness to talk

[03:10] amongst people who do not have your same

[03:13] viewpoint or lifestyle, uh you have

[03:15] children, he's twice your age and has no

[03:17] children. I mean, there's so many

[03:18] differences, but it does make for an

[03:19] interesting conversation. I'm just sad

[03:21] to see it's so infrequent. It really is

[03:23] still too infrequent. This is

[03:24] unfortunately the exception and not the

[03:25] rule. But let's make it the rule. Let's

[03:27] make it the rule that we actually start

[03:28] talking. So, so Alex, now transitioning

[03:31] to Mr. Abrego

[03:33] Garcia, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, your

[03:36] favorite Maryland resident,

[03:38] the Maryland dad, the the Maryland man,

[03:40] the upstanding citizen. Where does this

[03:42] whole situation stand and what is your

[03:44] analysis of it? Um, so what's

[03:47] interesting about this case is that I

[03:49] think both sides, it's a rorchack test.

[03:51] Both sides think they're going to win

[03:52] this thing. Um, we see it as these

[03:54] people are lunatics. They are all in for

[03:58] MS-13, meaning the Democrats. They're

[04:00] going down there with the have

[04:02] margaritas with MS-13 members. It's a

[04:04] this case where he's got all these

[04:06] people in the car with him and no one's

[04:08] got any luggage and he's clearly

[04:10] involved in human smuggling that appears

[04:12] to be adding to his resume. Makes you

[04:16] feel as though that how could the

[04:18] Democrats possibly get the upper hand on

[04:20] this? But that's not really the game

[04:22] they're playing. The game they're

[04:22] playing is they're trying to trip up

[04:24] Donald Trump and Steven Miller and the

[04:25] people who are setting policy for the

[04:28] White House and trying to get them to

[04:30] cross one of these judges to have some

[04:31] sort of a constitutional crisis to

[04:33] create a narrative that will allow for

[04:35] them to win in the midterms and then

[04:36] start the impeachments. And Trump's

[04:38] presidency is going to be completely

[04:40] curtailed by the left-wing hysteria and

[04:43] legal activism and lawfare. That's the

[04:45] game they're playing. They're not really

[04:46] living for just this news cycle. They're

[04:48] trying to lay out a strategy that will

[04:50] eventually lead to an impeachment for

[04:51] Donald Trump. So, let's not get too

[04:53] cocky. I know they look insane defending

[04:54] MS-13 today, but we got to be pretty

[04:56] vigilant here because if Trump makes one

[04:59] false move here, they're trying to come

[05:01] up with a strategy that leads to his, if

[05:03] not outright removal, at least waste all

[05:04] his time. Yeah. And so, I think that's

[05:07] right. I think that's really appropriate

[05:09] prudence. What do you make of the

[05:12] calamity in the judicial branch? There

[05:14] is a school of thought that says look

[05:16] the Trump administration just fill out

[05:17] the forms request him back in quotes

[05:21] bouquet will say no that'll satisfy the

[05:24] courts and this issue will largely be

[05:26] put to rest. It keeps on living because

[05:28] of the numerous court interventions

[05:31] around this case. Yeah, it's a great

[05:34] question because I'm generally a don't

[05:36] give an inch guy, but I do feel like I

[05:38] would kind of love to see them bring him

[05:40] back and then just deport him again

[05:41] because they they would and they could.

[05:43] Miller said as much and he could be

[05:45] deported for any reason. So, I don't

[05:47] know. May maybe this morning I'm leaning

[05:48] towards towards do that, but in general

[05:51] until you just brought it up just now.

[05:53] Uh I do like the don't give an inch

[05:55] approach that who cares about these

[05:57] people, who cares about the leftwing

[05:58] media, there was nothing wrong that was

[06:00] done in terms of the law, but the left

[06:02] thinks there's some sort of a a hold

[06:03] order that Trump is violating here. And

[06:06] Trump has not crossed one of these

[06:07] lawfare judges yet. He's not done

[06:09] anything illegal. He does not. And I

[06:11] think that's a really wise strategy for

[06:14] now. But it's also, Charlie, what we're

[06:16] seeing is not sustainable. They can't

[06:17] have

[06:19] 675 presidents of the United States who

[06:22] are doubling as district court judges

[06:24] who have a veto over everything Donald

[06:26] Trump does. Let's play a piece of tape

[06:28] here uh from Yeah. Let's play cut 97,

[06:32] please. Who did pay for this trip? Uh

[06:35] this was an officially cleared, you

[06:38] know, congressional trip. clear bases.

[06:41] Yes, like every other trip. And then

[06:44] let's put 172 up on screen. This shows

[06:47] that again, apparently this is how gang

[06:48] tattoos work. Uh an MS-13

[06:53] style tattoo right on his

[06:56] hands. And and so Alex, your message is

[06:59] caution here. Understand the bigger

[07:02] picture. Yeah. I just feel like this is

[07:04] one where in the short term we've got

[07:06] the we got to emphasize the Democrats

[07:08] are cornered here defending all of MS-13

[07:10] and they're of course defending illegal

[07:12] alien gang members over American

[07:14] citizens continuing Trump continuing to

[07:15] have the angel bombs out there make them

[07:18] surrogates in this regard I think is

[07:19] really important and it's a great move

[07:21] but just know that the main goal they're

[07:23] not dumb they're they're foolish

[07:24] sometimes but they're not dumb on the

[07:26] left and they're trying to get Trump

[07:28] administration to violate some sort of

[07:30] directive from a court that could lead

[07:32] toward towards political mo momentum

[07:34] towards impeachment. And so just keep

[07:35] that in mind that they're not doing this

[07:37] without a endgame in mind. They are I

[07:39] think we can beat them at this. I think

[07:41] we are beating them, but let's just not

[07:43] not be too uh overzealous. So I want to

[07:45] play a piece of tape here and get your

[07:47] analysis, Alex, which it's easy to

[07:52] dismiss this David Hog, you know,

[07:55] infighting with Hakee Jeff, not just

[07:57] Hakeem Jeff, as rabble rousing. And of

[08:00] course, I I did a hit with Will Kaine on

[08:02] Fox News. I said, "Look, it's probably a

[08:04] breakdown of fiduciary duty." But

[08:06] understand, was our party made stronger

[08:08] because of some of the primary

[08:09] challenges we did the last decade? You

[08:11] see, Democrats, they have gone, they've

[08:13] come into a mentality the last couple

[08:14] years, no primaries, doesn't matter if

[08:16] it's no matter who, vote blue. Let's

[08:18] play cut 106 and then I want your take

[08:21] on is the Democrat party trying to get

[08:24] more based. Play cut 106.

[08:28] David Hog who I know you know um a vice

[08:31] chair of the the Democratic National

[08:33] Committee. He's going to be joining us

[08:34] on the round table and he is uh pursuing

[08:37] this effort uh to unseat some Democrats

[08:40] in safe seats through primary

[08:42] challenges. Well, I look forward to

[08:43] standing behind every single Democratic

[08:46] incumbent from the most progressive to

[08:47] the most centrist and all points in

[08:50] between.

[08:53] Alex, your thoughts? Yeah, it's really

[08:56] compelling because we in the Republican

[08:58] party benefited greatly from a civil war

[08:59] that took place and the history is just

[09:01] just really important here because

[09:03] remember when Mitt Romney lost. I think

[09:05] he spent like $3 billion on that

[09:07] campaign and we thought he had a good

[09:09] chance. Uh remember Charlie, he

[09:11] basically took a walk on the last debate

[09:12] with Obama because he thought he won. He

[09:14] just agreed with Obama on everything in

[09:15] the last debate and then he got his

[09:17] clock cleaned and we were all sitting

[09:18] around thinking what do we got to do?

[09:20] And the Republican establishment told us

[09:21] we need to embrace amnesty. Amnesty for

[09:24] illegal aliens. that's what it was going

[09:25] to take for us to win elections. And a

[09:27] lot of us, myself included, said, "We're

[09:29] not going to do that." And that's where

[09:31] places like Breitbart and it led to the

[09:32] rise of Trump started saying, "We are

[09:34] going to crack down on this stuff. We're

[09:36] going the complete opposite direction

[09:38] and we don't care if a civil war breaks

[09:40] out because this is a hill to die on."

[09:42] And it worked out incredibly. I mean, if

[09:44] you had told me that after the 2012

[09:46] autopsy that we'd have Donald Trump in

[09:48] four years and then Donald Trump again

[09:49] four years after that, I mean, or eight

[09:51] years after that. I mean, it's a you

[09:53] wouldn't believe it, but it worked out

[09:54] for us. Now, the problem is who would

[09:56] win a civil war with the Democrats? It'd

[09:58] probably be the insane people because

[10:00] they've got the most energy. They

[10:01] inspire the donors. So, you'd get this

[10:03] sort of dark woke is the is what they're

[10:06] talking about where they're really

[10:07] leaning into the woke stuff. Even though

[10:09] we think woke is over, Charlie, they

[10:11] don't all feel that way. So, if they

[10:13] have a civil war, I think it might

[10:15] actually hurt them. But you know what?

[10:18] if they want to try it, they might need

[10:19] to because their leadership is so lame

[10:21] and weak right now.

[10:24] And so there's something of note here

[10:26] that we don't want to ignore. I was just

[10:28] in Boise, Idaho, and we drew a big

[10:30] crowd. I mean, you know, to go debate a

[10:32] bunch of college kids to draw 3,000

[10:34] people. That's big. However, you have to

[10:36] be honest. You got to tell it like it

[10:37] is. The night before Bernie and AOC,

[10:40] they drew 12,000 people in Boise. It's a

[10:42] big number. Now, I understand that area,

[10:44] that part of the world doesn't get a lot

[10:46] of attention. It's kind of like what

[10:47] happens when we go to California. When

[10:49] you're so in the ideological minority,

[10:51] you tend to draw out anyone that's

[10:52] like-minded because there really is

[10:54] nothing of the sort. But 12,000 people

[10:56] in Boise is real. They were drawing big

[10:58] crowds all across the West. What do you

[11:00] make about the AOC of the AOC Bernie

[11:04] combination? Is this a robust

[11:07] grassroots populist counter to MAGA or

[11:11] is it basically the Democrats continuing

[11:14] on their ultra radical policies and

[11:15] something that we should encourage more

[11:17] of happening? Well, uh Bernie's a total

[11:19] fraud. Uh he wouldn't even support the

[11:21] Democrats that he got along with uh when

[11:23] Trump put them up for confirmation,

[11:24] which is another genius move by Trump.

[11:26] Not only did he pick the best people for

[11:27] his cabinet, but he picked Democrats

[11:29] specifically to expose the senators who

[11:31] act like they're anti-establishment, but

[11:33] they're pure establishment. Bernie's

[11:35] always been that way. He's got a bunch

[11:36] of houses. He's a rich guy, and then he

[11:37] acts like he's a socialist. Um, but

[11:39] there is an astroturf here, which might

[11:41] comfort the audience a little bit, which

[11:42] is a lot of them are trying to piggyback

[11:44] off of musical acts. So, they'll get the

[11:46] musicians out who people want to see,

[11:48] and then they'll tack on a AOC or Bernie

[11:50] Sanders speech. So, I I don't really buy

[11:52] the 12,000 number, but that said, we

[11:55] should go to the woodshed and act as

[11:57] though they're building a robust

[11:58] grassroots resistance that isn't just

[12:00] Soros funded stuff like a lot of the

[12:02] Tesla stuff. And a lot of our reporting

[12:06] um this group Indivisible that's

[12:07] veryworked or the new Arabella advisers

[12:09] where they're just funding everything.

[12:11] Uh we got to act like they're going to

[12:12] get organized and they're going to come

[12:14] back and they're going to mount to come

[12:15] back. We got to act like we're in a war

[12:16] footing. We're not in peace time yet.

[12:18] We're in war time. We should behave that

[12:20] way. But if you want a comfort, I don't

[12:21] think the 12,000 number is legit,

[12:23] Charlie. Your 3000 number is legit and

[12:25] very impressive. I'm loving the college

[12:27] stuff. Absolutely incredible content and

[12:29] good for you for doing it. Thank you. In

[12:30] fact, we're doing more campus tour stops

[12:32] this semester than even during the

[12:34] election. It it we are in a 247 365

[12:38] mentality. Elections are merely just

[12:41] moments in a broader cultural conflict.

[12:43] Alex, you're the best. Plug whatever you

[12:45] want to our audience. Uh Alex Marlo show

[12:47] the Salem Podcast Network. So that's the

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[12:51] leaving a nice review is always good as

[12:53] well. But uh anytime you need me,

[12:54] Charlie, I'm here for you. Thanks, Alex,

[12:56] so much. Really appreciate it.