Charlie Kirk SHUTS DOWN Arrogant College Students 👀🔥 | Debate Compilation

you dropped out of college and your highest Community College sorry your Harper college experience I apologize barely was smart enough to make it through Community College okay so barely made it through High School your highest degree level is an honorary doctor's degree from Liberty University no that's true I do have an honorary PhD yeah so essentially what are your qualifications for arguing that college is a scam or really any having any economical knowledge at all when likely the vast majority of the students here know more than you about economics as a whole okay so no hold on it's okay guys it's okay uh who is Milton Freedman who is Milton fredman I have no idea and that's not important to this conversation who who is ludig Von misus these are all probably economists and then the same the same thing who is John Maynard kanes that okay obviously I know who kanes is oh obviously yeah it's the most famous economist of all time you don't know Milton fredman I mean that's an economist okay how about Murray rothbard that's another Economist fa Hayak I don't know who that is well then you just came here insulted my intelligence for you're right I barely made it through Community College because I was too busy I don't know starting a national youth movement with hundreds of thousands of members hey hold on though hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on employing hundreds of people raising hundreds of millions of dollars having a top 10 most popular podcast and reaching tens of millions of people online every day on but you're also calling all of your constituents idiots by saying they participate in the scam they their shirt right there calling the institution a scam I never insulted the intelligence I just had 10 people come up and we had warm conversations so you asked what are my qualifications I'm a job Creator entrepreneur autodidact do you know what that word means self yeah self-taught you know you should probably learn that word if you're going to come up and insult other people's intelligence so autodidacticism is what leader not da Vinci was you don't have to go to college to be wise you don't have to go to college to be intelligent I read a hundred books a year I visit over 150 colleges I'm not saying you're unintelligent I'm just saying you lack qualifications well are you a New York Times bestseller of course not I'm in college got it so I'm just trying what are my qualifications I have published books read lots of books dialogued a lot of people and instead of asking what my qualifications are can you name I've ever said hold on name one thing I'm wrong about you literally just you just now incorrectly cited the difference between socialism and communism while you yourself what did I do how so you claimed that Russia was socialist Russia was never was socialist no it was a communist Nation there is a significant difference between why did lennin say that socialism is the gateway to Communism and he was self-described socialist in his private treat and documents in the Russian Revolution wasen by stal hold on a second no l died and then Stalin was his successor yes so but Lenin himself said quote that socialism is the introductory phase to Communism say that so then the vast majority of people when they're referring to communist Russia are referring to Stalin's rule over Russia that was a communist rule that turned into a fascist rule later on okay so but what what what thinker was deified in Soviet Russia that thinker was deified yes Marx oh and and what what what book did Marx write yes he wrote Capital which and he also wrote The Communist man who is his co-author who is co-author Ang yeah angles good I'm glad college is really paying off for you so um so no but it's okay it's fine he comes up here and insults my intelligence what are your qualifications doesn't even know the co author of the Communist manifestor at but no let me just again but does my lack of knowledge on that mean that I have no knowledge again here and insulted me and you you came up here guns a blazing man and let me just ask again what did I say that was wrong I said that under the generally agreed def upon definition of communism and socialism which are interchangeable terms one is a more harsh degree of the other is that the elimination of the family the elimination of private property and the deprivation of basic human rights such as right to speech right to assembly and right to worship how is that not a good definition of communism and socialism as the fism better well but in the Communist Manifesto Mark said quote we are here to destroy the nuclear family and eradicate the family because it was the original oppressive tyrannical structure he said religion is the opiate of the masses and that private property must be eradicated I have just now documented all three of those with evidence back to original Source documents and then in practice Russia did all those three things when they were the Soviet Union so where am I wrong but then but then but then at the same time if you claim that those are all negative things then why do you practice certain things in those in the doctrines that you just stated well I I'm not trying to take people's stuff away I want people have bigger families and I want churches to remain open yeah but the thing is is your no but your main your biggest thing your biggest point that everyone here is for is that you're a potential white supremacist so what evidence do you have that I'm a racist I was just literally watching a video of you talk about how talking about whiteness as a whole talking about whiteness as a concept okay and you were trying to explain how white privilege doesn't exist correct it doesn't you are a white man how do you know uh because I have eyes cuz you have eyes that's not a descrition so what can a black person do that I can't do in America or what can I do a black person can't do I let's think of some history right here let's go through the history of red lining I don't need a history I don't listen no you're talking about white need a history lining clearly I know your talking points better than you do and I've read all those the literature that you have probably forgot more the the history affects the present day as well and you know that's true if you went to college you would know well hold on a second but well let me let me so then why are you wearing the College of a scam shirt drop out well well because you could so it's because you don't believe your own beliefs and that's what I'm saying well you could you can admit something's a scam and still get through it that's why he's wearing it okay you could be you could feel like you're getting ripped off by an airline you still want to get to New Y that's not what we're talking about anymore like you could still you could like I'm getting ripped off by $1,000 ticket but you still get on the airplane like it doesn't make you a hypocrite it means that the people are ripping you off and a lot of you are getting ripped off but no so as far as white privilege just with without the history lesson of you know Jim Crow segregation imperialism colonialism slavery all the stuff that I know that you're going to say but just in concretely in America today what can a white person do that a black person can't do black applicants to jobs are 50% less likely to get jobs with they have a black sounding name that's not even close to being that's not even close to being true that is a literal in fact it's the opposite I'm not going to argue your Li experience I'm not going to no see now you have to listen to him under your rules because a black person is going to say you're wrong I am he can say I'm wrong I know come on up to the mic I know I read I read your is my name is kiman Dixon I have a really black name please tell me how 50% of my internships have been denied when I've worked for Senator Mike Lee mayor Trent sa speaker Mike Schultz I worked for a congressman Burgess Owens actually worked on his campaign I've worked on the campaigns of John husman Jr please tell me how my black experience in my black man has not given me go ahead so I'd like to disagree with you about uh College as a scam okay just cuz there's 50% of people who you say don't need college to get a job why would it be a scam there's a social impact about college about on America college is you know good the majority of kids that go to college and they graduate have a lower View of America than when they entered do you think that's a troubling thing I think just changing your opinion doesn't really matter too much do you think that college teaches responsibility and hard work and sure okay well I I find that hard to believe why is it that employers are more and more not wanting to hire college graduates and they actually want to hire people that didn't go to college what employers uh you can name them out man Walmart just got rid of their uh even in their corporate level so you don't go to college Coke industry is one of the largest employers in the country from Georgia Pacific Railroad to uh dowo chemical they said we no longer want kids that have gone to college because they end up causing problems cuz they're super entitled and they're like oh what are my pronouns and they have all this like leftwing nonsense that they've been filled with well then you have Engineers doctors lawyers people that sure we need that but that's less than 20% of the people that go to college yeah butle wrong to say college is a scam if 25% of people become great people you know lawyers doctors Engineers that's what college currently is though again I I'm to have you read the book college is a scam I wrote it I can have a more wordy thing which is the vast majority of people go to college are receiving a scam for the money that they're Barling vast majority of course there's exceptions you can make whatever you want with your life I mean you could but I mean when you enter into an Enterprise you know that let me prove this you how many of you guys have to take classes that are a waste of time that you wish you wouldn't have to take every single hand you're being scammed against your will to take classes that make you go further into debt why can't you say I don't want to take this class why are you why is a customer you can you do a differential equation you what can you do a differential equation can I do can you explain to me the anatomy of a human uh like somewhat off the top of my head what psychology is yes I do know what psych and to me do you want me to explain psychology well you can't explain it to the depths of a bachelor's degree or a PhD well hold on a second time out I've sat here with no notes no phone and debated people with PhD because it's your job hold on I didn't go to college man that's the point is you can do whatever you want without a college degree you could listen to podcast read books you don't wasn't able to go to the university of Goen that's literally the reason I can't hear what you said what you say you know GS right matician yes vaguely sure okay vaguely yes vaguely yeah do you know who M Freeman is do you know who Herbert marcuz is you know Thomas soul is you use a phone do you know who gor Morris is well that's cuz of g no you don't so I could do Goa too you try toiv is the reason that he he was able to become so proficient in mathematics the majority of kids that go to college degree are able to perform much better in their field than someone who doesn't well then if that's the question if that really is true if college is this amazing accelerant then why do so many people say acceler but if you're looking at a field of science let me finish and you want to communication have you not done that you need a degree all right let let me let me make my point if that's the case why do half of these kids end up with anywhere between $50 to $100,000 in debt and they end up getting a job that says oh sorry you never needed the degree in the first place why is that the case tell me uh people on average once going to the college make more money hold on that's not true they end up getting a job that's only if they graduate in the and it depends on the field of study do you know the a the average college graduate now is a is is getting a job at $61,000 a year the average plumber after 18 months $68,000 a year the average wer $72,000 a year with peers plumber didn't go to college the plumber went to Trader technical school there's 11 million job openings that do not require college degree in this country 11ed stuff plumbers use I'm sorry what who engineered the stuff plumbers use I'm sure someone here I mean that it's it's like someone with a saying who design the airplane for the pilot to fly I mean someone with a degree that went to college pilot go to college I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying I'm not saying you get rid of all places of Higher Learning the way it's currently comprised for you guys the amount of debt you have to go into the classes that you have to take get rid of places of Higher Learning but then you go interrup me every 15 seconds you're not debating in in good faith because it is a scam so let me ask you a question can you point to other things of American Life the last 100 years that have been scams for example when someone they run an advertisement they say buy these pills because you know we're going to make you super muscular and they don't have all the fine print that it might not work and you have to have a monthly subscription we shut down that business for being a SC different though that's a how is it different hold on a second when you show up to college do they tell you you have to take all these classes that you didn't sign up for did they they they said that you're going to have to take all these different classes did they tell you that half of you guys would not ever use your degree when you go into your career how many guys knew that you guys knew that when you signed up well you guys you guys are willingly participating in the scam good for you the point is this is that most kids know deep down they're getting ripped off the number one thing I hear from people across the country in Corporate America boy college is a waste of time boy I wish I never would have gone now I have $60,000 of debt $70,000 in debt I wanted to start a business but now I don't have the credit to do it instead we are wasting our most prized possession our 18 to 22 year- olds to go stick them at many universities when they shouldn't be here in the first place and it is a failed project it is making us poor it is Mak and by the way just just look at the actual numbers over a period of time has it worked is home ownership now going up for young college graduates we going to blame that on College though it's there's a lot of different reasons it's the most equally applicable thing across the board for a generation and and if you look at the average how much debt do you have to go to school by the way none none okay wow do are you on scholarship or yeah okay so who's paying for your college then probably the federal government okay so I'm paying for your college is what you're saying my taxes are paying for your college so wait do you have a you're on Grant or what uh I'm not going to discuss my college finances well no this is really important this is why you're so defensive of college this is why you're so forceful because you don't have to walk around the rest of your life with a $100,000 student Lo plent of people that have part J go to college this explains you perfectly I the taxpayer when I write my check to the IRS I'm subsidizing your ability to go to college okay when I my check to the IRS I also give money for people to go to college you should have skin in the game you should and you don't right now you are doing a freeloading thing of course you should be defensive of college pay taxes I pay federal taxes I pay state taxes I I I I'm sure I pay a little bit more than you but that's a separate issue but the point is this is that do you you think you pay anywhere close to the tuition value you get at the school probably not yeah probably I do it's like 5,00 in a semester it's a lot of money but you get a lot out of that hold on how much is it to go to school here it's around 5,000 so inate in state yeah okay five did that include room in board and tuition no okay how much does it does that cost room board tuition all of it around 11,000 11,000 semester so you pay $22,000 a year in taxes uh no okay got it so you're you're in a tax deficit which means the US taxpayer is subsidizing your education that's fine I'm not faulting you for it but this is why you're so defensive is you're detached from the price you're detached from the cost it's easy be defensive of something you're not paying for hey Kirk um my question is sort of a question SL compliment um you're a very good public speaker and I think a lot of people here might struggle with that um what I'm curious is somebody with so little education Beyond high school and you know just experience in the field how are you able to so confidently um just kind of word vomit right you've said a pretty much every question you've answered has been no answer you've just kind of said what conservatives want to hear so really all of your work is not a debate it's just confirmation bias okay so you Le a what sorry you want a debate uh no I'm good I'm just curious were you learned okay you sure were you learned how to I'm a high school graduate you're in college man let's debate I I vom for a living you said yeah come on let's debate no I'm not here to debate that's you're just here to insult me uh yeah you're a bad yeah I am you're a hero where did you learn how to public speak cuz you're really good at lying out of your what have I lied about name one thing I lied tonight about name stats name a second thing no name a stat I said that's wrong uh you said 11 million jobs uh you said 50% 11 million jobs are open for Blue Collar work according to Mike Row and according to three independent studies according the Department of Labor name another stat I said that's wrong I guess my main point is no name a third stat that I said that's wrong when you say a stat or you just say numbers it's helpful usually when you're public speaking to say where you got that information because people who disagree with you might so so give me no but you you give some examples where did I lie or say a stat that's not true you need to work on not doing confirmation bias wait hold on no but you come up here and say oh how did you with a high school education learn topw BS say one thing I said that was wrong misleading unfactual not rooted in data one thing you're doing it right now I'm asking you a question I was just making a comment and you're spinning it that's what you're really good at that's why I think you're a good no you came up here and insulted me I'm asking you how have I misled this audience and you come unprepared like not with a single data I thought you'd at least have like one gotcha man like one number like one thing 11 million job openings according to the Bureau of label statistics that require muscular labor and require just a six-month technical trading degree that is true at the Apex 15,000 people coming across the southern board every single day I even said it's down a little bit that is true what have I said that's [Music] incorrect do next you're good at what you do but not for the right reasons that's all I'm saying they don't want to debate me because they can't debate me they can't say one thing I said that's wrong they can't name one data point they just come up here and insult you my friend are why we are going to beat you guys historically cuz you are afraid to have a debate just it's so amazing the smugness uh how'd you learn to speak like this in word vomit oh what I say that's true uh everything name one thing name another thing name another thing yeah you you should ask for money back at KU they're really scamming you man you'd think you'd have one little thing all right can can can two men have have babies no okay that's what I thought you say natural that I don't have a choice on who I Mar it's natural law that I don't choose I'm mared that's not fair hold on a second why does your why does your own choice matter more than what is true uh so what is true what do you exactly that's what we've been talking about the last two hours what is true what is good what is beautiful this is what you guys should be this is what we should be think does it come down to you come on so let me ask you a question so it comes down to you hold it let me hold it come on no we hold it so was Hitler right when it comes down to you no why because he just fundamentally degre disagrees with my beliefs about your beliefs but Hitler Hitler's beliefs kill the Jews why was he wrong oh sorry can I just quickly say something about how we just went from talking about the government controlling marriage Hitler for some reason no but I've listened to your argument for 20 minutes it makes no sense totally respectful like you've made no sense for 20 minutes so I'm going to get to somebody else listen to what you just said I mean all I've been talking about is the government control I I've been super patient I've been super patient makes no sense so you can say things don't make sense all day I mean it's really not that hard yeah got it okay so just question so why was Hitler wrong why was Hitler wrong I mean I you can write a whole essay about that well tell me tell me one sentence as to why Hitler was objectively wrong to me I mean to he was right of course he was so that so there's something above you and above Hitler that we're comparing right to what is that something morality where do we get that from how you come up where you're from your parents your culture I mean the place you live I mean a lot of different so are are some moralities better or right more right than wrong than other moralities I would say no because it just comes down to you personally okay so the Taliban believes it's okay to rape 8-year-old boys called boys are they wrong to me yes they are wrong but to themselves they think it's right is there are are they objectively wrong okay what is an objective what is the objective well hold on objectively looking outside to what right and wrong that comes down to me and to me they're wrong but to them they're right wow I mean what that is how it is so let me ask you so the the the the Nazi guards at concentration camps they thought they were doing right were they doing right no in your opinion or objectively in my opinion no but what if they were to say we were doing right well then we have an argument me and them and then we have a fight and then we have a war and then it is what it is that's how it is when somebody goes and rapes a woman here on campus are they wrong yes why because that is something you should not do oh so they should not do hold on a second you just did a should statement you didn't do a should statement with the Taliban with little boys what does should mean what do you comparing should to myself are you yes so it's your morality that triumphs over any objective laws I would I mean not technically I mean at the end of the day I can do whatever I want I mean I'll end up in jail I'll end up you know wherever I end up but you know it's whatever world you live in is that the way we should design Society everyone does what's ever right in their own eyes I mean no because it would be kind of chaos at the end of the day I agree so then what standard should we then derive morality from other than opinion I mean there's a lot of standards across the world I mean wherever you go there's different life standards the life stands we have here versus South America Asia Africa it's all completely different are some better than other I'm not done are some better than others I mean it comes down to where you're from I think wait wait let me finish let me finish I think the standard we have here in America is one of the best ones but well now you're using different words should best so some things are better than others and then the question is what is the ultimate good you're climbing the ladder you're getting closer it comes down to you does it yes it does what is the ultimate good it's my world you know I live in my own world with my things what I think is good is what I think is good you don't understand that's one of the most narcissistic things I a narcissist so what so what what if everyone acted the way you just articulated what would that world look like I have no idea I don't even want to know I don't even want to know so you probably agree that's a terrible world yes it it would be but thank God not everybody's like me yes thank God okay okay we we have we have clarity thank you we do anything El want to talk about there's a lot more uh I I think I understand your worldview pretty well all about me no one be like me you're wel I mean but I mean so what are you trying to get at though it's obvious and I've been doing this the whole time there is a Transcendent Eternal external morality so you're okay so that exists okay so you say there is a objective good and OB of course there is yes and the the denial of that is only something we entertain because of how insane modern culture has become how has it gone insane we say men give birth I don't say that the Biden Administration does that's not me they say the trust feed I know because it's all about you I got that okay so we we we we've been through that only about you right center of the universe cernus over here right so so yes we are now in a postmodern age where it says in the scriptures man will do what is ever right in his own eyes so the scripture is right of course it is yes say who Okay says God but I can get through that wait wait wait wait wait what is a god Jehovah Adonai the Oneness ethical monotheism that built the world you live in so an omni omn poent being omnipotent omnipotent not omnipotent but that's okay so omnipotent omniscient I mean I could get theological if you want but even lesser than that CS Lewis developed it called the da okay so even this is this is more agreeable I'm not I'm a Christian but every cult almost any functioning culture has something called the way meaning that there is a better way of living than other ways and if you compare Confucianism you Roman yeah Greek there's always a way of life and it's very similar and they have some harmonies and we must develop in the west what is the way we have said to our kids there is no way do whatever you want hate to say it you articulated it beautifully um but I mean the way of life changed throughout time I mean to say there was one guaranteed best way to live I mean I feel like that's two you know two dimensional is it I'd say so I mean life is bigger than the two Dimensions black and white not saying it's good there there's hierarchies or nuances but wouldn't it be worth spending some time wondering what is the best way to live I think about that all the time too and I I've come to the conclusion that's up to you honestly I mean live your life how you want to that's not the point the agency is not that is the ought to so the Greeks had a word for this called Telos where you get the word telescope from far out in the distance something that you should yearn towards or desire the best way for human to live now I believe that's a Christian way some people might not agree at that but you cannot say that there is we should as a society acknowledge a way is necessary the founders acknowledged it where they said the laws of nature and nature is God we hold these truths to be self-evident so our whole civilization is built on an idea that there is a way and we're we're now teaching our kids no there isn't do whatever you want I'm saying that's really really dangerous I have a question can this way change evolve as time goes on it can adapt but not necessarily for the better and that's why Christianity is just as applicable today as it was 2000 years ago and the founders did not write the Constitution for the times it was written to stand the test of time because as much as we try to convince ourselves human beings don't really change we're still self-interested we still lie we still cheat that's why the Constitution has lasted it's the longest lasting political document in history so what are you trying to say I'm saying that absent an eternal standard something Transcendent there is a objective that we should all strive for yes and we have to talk about what that is sure what is it let me know that's the question I believe in the ultimate it's Christ okay but in the American context it's ethical monotheism that there is an ethical one God that administers a way for your life and you build a civilization on it okay the thing is talking about Christianity I mean do you know Niche God is dead you mean n whatever God is dead I mean Christianity is a dying religion every single year the numbers go down in a while it's going to be gone so just I'm going to try to save you here man n lamented the death of Christianity just so you i' I've read NCH whatever however you want to say it it's n whatever big difference I mean either which did you read did you read Beyond good and evil or Thus Spoke Z seen 's men all that I love that video yeah which one th spoke Dutra beond Good and Evil beond G evil is a book I may be a video game too but no so but but here's what n said though can I say my point can I say my point real quick that so according to n God whatever okay whatever it doesn't doesn't matter you get the idea God is dead according to him every single year Christianity numbers fall religions dying that doesn't mean it's not true okay I know but one day Christianity is going to be gone no yes it will be it'll be a Remnant it will be a Remnant it will be a small little religion but have control it has in the government today every single day as Chris Christianity has EB and flowed before it's gone into from martyrdom into Exile into Revival Christianity looked like a dying religion in year 400 and year 1100 true so but you might be right because in our Scriptures it does say that we'll be persecuted and that our numbers will decrease in false prophets so you might even be right I'm not going so I'm trying to say is why build a whole culture around something that is going to perhaps die one day well first of all we already built it and and it's falling Christianity falling yeah is it falling because we're going towards Christianity or away Christianity natural way of things I mean the Greek religion fell you know Rome fell I mean things come and go every day wait hold on do people still worship the Greek gods no they yeah okay well Christianity has Staying Power by the way before you get to ahead of yourself the gospel is spreading in Africa like never before so Christianity is actually they said that years hold on it's increasing worldwide it's decreasing in America but hold on to your point what getting at we could debate taxes and borders none of this matters if we don't first acknowledge some form of something outside of ourselves needs to exist to have a good and free Society you don't have that you're going to live in a really crummy totalitarian country you rely on a God to tell you what is good and bad yeah the god of the heavens and the Earth yes but even if you don't I want I I rely on the community around me to tell me what is good and bad yeah I mean but but hold on first it was you now it's the community you're all over well you are a part of the community you are you know you are the community you are individual again I that's if you rely on the community then in Nazi Germany you'd be running trains to the the concentration camps right well that's what people were doing and that was wrong it was okay the question is what's going to prevent us from doing that again you could do the same thing with God of course you can pervert what is true it does not make what is true wrong what is true does is eternal etal Thou shalt not murder Thou shalt not steal Thou shalt not covet Thou shalt not have any Gods above all this but I mean the American government will go bomb a you know fair enough that means they're not living up to the standard it doesn't make the standard not true I just think the standards is something impossible to reach is it impossible or is it necessary to set for us to strive as close as possible to I mean honestly yeah that's a good idea I'd agree with that I'd agree it's a good to set a good it's it's a good Telos a good thing to strive listen but wait wait wait but not everything Christianity says is perfect that's the thing well look I I I'm happy to defend Christianity but what I will say I'm I'm saying even if you just acknowledge anybody that there is a better way to live that is a win that there is a way that humans ought to live and ways that we should probably avoid that is at least a reputation of postmodernism which is what is dominating the land today I guess yeah okay that's where you started I mean I just think it's just this whole good versus evil is just so arbitrary that's very Nan but it's not I okay yeah I respect I'm going to say something radical okay A Child put in an oven is not subjective that is morally reprehensible no matter what culture no matter where you come from I don't care about your history I don't care about your shared experience that's evil I I agree with you but because you know why because all of a sudden something other than your reason is kicking in which is your soul yes it is because we know at a soul level it's wrong to put kids in ovens okay but not everyone around the world agree with that unfortunately well they're evil thank you that's an evil thing okay then we're at back at good versus evil what is that black versus white okay so we could again I will say the good is that which is perfected in being okay all right that's your personal definition well now it's aristotles but that's okay so pretty pretty important to creating the West right um but if we build up from that we understand the greatest thinkers of the West Socrates Plato and Aristotle they started with what is good and they spent their whole life asking that question how often do college kids ask that question rarely that's a problem most people rarely think that though that's what I'm getting at is that if you do not honor that there something above you something beautiful something Transcendent even the possibility the idea of it I call it religious you could call it you know Community that's what I would call it but the I the so philosophos philosophy the love of wisdom wisdom is the knowledge of things that don't change we rarely teach kids things that don't change we teach them things that do change knowledge is important wisdom is eternal wisdom is what's the best way to live are human beings good or bad what is Justice what should the punishment be for a stolen Snicker bar versus murder these are the most important questions right and we don't contemplate them nearly enough at universities the thing is with that is like the way the world is today where things are so changing so fast it's just hard to root something in hold on let's go are they changing fast or are they staying the same faster well going more into that are we better people because we can fly from Phoenix to New York and have Wi-Fi on Twitter or are we more of the same just in an accelerated way I'd say it um amplifies who we really are bingo so we don't change it just speeds it up so shouldn't we discover who we are the nature of man which is what Aristotle did in his ethics he did it better thanless anybody else that there's there's a an ascendance of Virtues right the ultimate being Courage the goal of humanity being happiness he had a word called udani don't change we all feel the same sort of you're getting close yeah but this is what I'm getting at how you feel that Chang that's how you you can you can feel happiness you know looking at the sun watching the sunset but nowadays the way we can feel that has changed the way we feel the way we changes slightly yeah but what but we are still fundamentally the same yes and that and then we want to learn what that fundamentally the same thing is thank you man I want to get to other people thank you very much thank you you're were very you started rough and then we got somewhere thank you I just want to start off by saying that it's always great to be politically active than to not be politically active so I thank you for that um but I do want to start off by saying earlier I was outside protesting as I usually do on campus with a sign that says tear the fascist down now for those who don't know what fascism is it's an ideology associated with Nazism as I had this sign not affiliating it to anybody I had a group of individuals come up to me saying openly they were fascists attending your event and called me the FBO while I while I at it it's not lies now I am not here to call you a fascist I'm not as I know you're not a Nazi sympathizer you never openly sympathized Nazism I can see that but people who openly call themselves fascists are here and are not afraid to admit they are fascists so my question is will you denounce fascism today as the definition all I'm put to as an ideology including racial nationalism and authoritarianism today yes will you denounce Marxism as the greatest killer of human beings in the last 100 years well describe Marx ISM to me I'm sorry what describe Marxism to me uh the ideology that Ma Tong Joseph Stalin Vladimir lenon and Paul pot employed to the massacre of kill millions of people you're right correct okay so I'll denounce fascism you denounce Marxism yeah well I would have to say like by definition no no no no hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on so my thing is that was it Marxism itself or was it a materialistic condition that caused that CU as Marxist what we do say is that there's material conditions that contribute to society now you probably aren't familiar with Di materialism I'll try to explain it real quickly I I've read the phenomenology of spirit and I I know Hegel but no but but but tell me uh so but why not denounce Marxism I mean what so m m Tong Marxist Lenin Marxist Joseph Stalin Marxist I'll denounce Joseph Stalin for you definitely yes Joseph Stalin was an authoritarian leader who definitely killed millions of ukrainians during the export of grain to of course um build up their econom there's nothing about you don't think there's anything about the ideology that leads to the suffering impoverishing or the murdering well just like how Hitler called himself a socialist it's not the ideology just what you actually do at practice yes he did call himself a socialist and but he was not a Marxist he was not yeah but he would this National Socialist Workers Party is the actual name of Nazism but where has Marxism ever worked well I wouldn't say that Marxism itself has ever actually been tried now of course you can always say like oh like you know that's a easy communist getaway question to it right well but Marxism has killed a lot more people than Hitler everywhere it's tried it results in famine impoverishing death destruction every failed country on the planet right now including North Korea is some form of a Marxist dict dictatorship so why is it hard to denounce that because it's easier for me to denounce fascism why why the struggle to just say you know Marxism bad evil end of story why can't we agree on that well because if you look at I'll give the example of North Korea what we did is that we went in there during the Korean War and destroyed all their factories right now what did this leag is left an impoverished Society where they now had no means to of course get their needs because their factories were destroyed so that's number one on why North Korea now I don't like North Korea I'm just saying that's one reason why has nothing to do with the Marxist no leader nothing he's not a Marxist leader I would not consider lader so what what ideology is is his so the ideology of Marxism is simply that workers own the means of production the workers in North Korea do not own the means of production do they have private property rights in North Korea they don't then who owns the means of production the government does oh okay yeah but in a Marxist Society no but in a Marxist society would be that would be Marxism no it's not because the workers on the means of production not the government but who is the government the government is the people the bureaucrats the bureaucrat who control the power okay and that would be the people the bureaucrats own the means production otherwise known as Marxism no no no no you're getting it all wrong literally the word definition of Marxism is that workers own workers on the means of production right so where has that ever been tried or worked you say it's never been tried ever yeah okay got it so even though the hammer and sickle and core Marxist ideology has been invoked repeatedly by these leaders you're saying no no no not a Marxist no no no not a Marxist no no no not a Marxist is just over 100 times it has been tried on every single continent from Mugabe in Rhodesia which became Z Zimbabwe to parts of India to China to Korea to parts of East Eastern Europe to Central and South America to Venezuela none of that is Marxist even though they say they're Marxist well it's tamper tampering with Marxism because you have sanctions and you bomb their country so I mean if you want to call that Marxism then if you sanction and bomb them I guess that's Marxism wait so how have we sanctioned and bombed these Mark like Venezuela vene Venezuela has sanctions to where we don't buy their oil anymore yeah why do you think we're sanctioning them because they have Marxist ideologies that don't cooporate with capitalist ideology yeah yeah they're also like a quasi terrorist state but let's talk about Venezuela Venezuela used to be rich and prosperous when they had the private ownership of minerals why is Venezuela now one of the poorest countries in South America what ideology caused that see but that's the thing though it's not the ideology it's the practice now you could say the practice is Marxism but again do the workers own the means of production in that country somebody does yeah somebody does but not the workers the government the government owns so I mean in like the purest form of Doc Capital Marxism it is the government that comes in and abolishes private property correct this is of course called I think the dictatorship of the proletaria I think is what you're referring to right so you let me ask you a question so you believe in this like abstract Marxism that you don't ever want to denounce even though it's been tried a hundred times but again you say try but we just said that it hasn't been tried because workers have't owned means of production okay well why do you think that is because they use the swans song of Marxism and Marxism will always result in an oligarchy or a dictatorship because you know why it's impossible to quote unquote have the workers owns the means of production because we don't share well as human beings that's why only someone that has and with all possible due respect an infant understanding of human nature can think communism can work because we're self-interested at our core and you have an economic system that is built not on private property but on quote unquote shared Goods you're going to have a dictator on top of it that is going to exploit and terrorize and so you started this conversation by asking me to denounce fascism which is responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths said ideology I'm pleading you one more time to denounce Marxism that is responsible for minimum 100 to 120 million deaths okay academics have proven that wrong that's not true that's from the Black Book of Communism that has how many people did Mal kill Mal killed about 30 to 40 million how many people did Stalin kill Stalin killed about 20 to 30 million okay now we're like 60 million and I just name like two countries man okay so like we're out of the gate we're at like 60 million okay so I I can keep on going right if you want to talk famine impoverishing lowering of standard of living but I what I what I want to just reiterate as we close this out there's this pathological fascination with fascism fascism Fascism and a complete ignoring that Marxism which is the other side of the authoritarian coin has been far deadlier far more costly and is far more popular and I'll ask this final question what do you think has a greater chance of catching on in America fascism or Marxism I would say fascism okay you really think so I really do believe that okay the only way I would possibly agree with that is the leftwing fascists that shut up people on campuses and allow you know try to stop freedom of speech but what is just I I I I'm I'm perplexed by your position and your inability and your unwillingness to denounce denounce Marxism I don't know how many May mean another 100 million people dead maybe you'd change your mind thank you thanks