[00:02] Let's get into it. This is a banger
[00:06] today. A bombshell, ladies and
[00:08] gentlemen. Now, Candace gave us the
[00:12] information that the reason that Charlie
[00:16] Kirk was outside that that terrible day
[00:20] is because
[00:22] Turning Point made it a point to put him
[00:27] outside. Now, Brian Harpole is sitting
[00:31] down with Shawn Ryan and he has a
[00:33] different story about what happened. I'm
[00:35] going to play you both clips so you can
[00:38] hear the difference in what they're
[00:39] saying and then we're going to try and
[00:42] uh parse out what's real and what's not.
[00:45] But I'm not sure about what Brian is
[00:50] saying only because of how many times
[00:54] people on the turning point side, mainly
[00:57] Rob McCoy, other people as well, Candace
[01:00] has a list. I don't know if you saw, but
[01:03] sometimes they say things that are just
[01:06] wildly not true. But Brian seems like a
[01:09] solid guy. I'm not going to lie. Let's
[01:11] do Brian first, then we'll jump over to
[01:13] Candace. I mean, did anybody I mean, you
[01:16] know,
[01:18] I've interviewed a lot of war fighters.
[01:20] I'm a war fighter. A lot of times
[01:22] somebody on the team will have some type
[01:24] of a feeling or a premonition or, you
[01:27] know, hey, we shouldn't be here right
[01:29] now or something's about to happen. I
[01:31] don't have a good feeling about this.
[01:33] Did anybody you're on your team or
[01:34] Charlie, anybody express any concerns
[01:38] about that day? on that day.
[01:41] For us personally, when you walk in and
[01:44] and you know, we talk about workup,
[01:46] right? So, we start the back work up and
[01:48] then um we're a little different also as
[01:51] far as um our guys don't just get to
[01:54] show up. The team goes out and we
[01:57] physically build all of our prevention
[02:00] model. So, they don't show up and just
[02:03] see it. They physically build it and we
[02:05] walk through at each other and we make
[02:06] sure things are done right. And so our
[02:08] guys are pulling bike racks and putting
[02:11] them together and they're putting tape
[02:13] up and they're looking at places all
[02:15] around the bubble that our area of
[02:16] responsibility is. And and so, you know,
[02:19] they're looking around thinking, "God,
[02:20] this is horrible." You know, we're we're
[02:23] it's a beautiful amphitheater there at
[02:25] UVU, but um you know, you're
[02:29] you're a tactician. Um if if you're
[02:32] somewhere and you're covered from an
[02:33] elevated position from 180°, that's
[02:37] horrible. Mhm.
[02:38] >> And and that's where we were, but that's
[02:41] come out. It's like, why why would they
[02:42] have it there? This is ignorance. You
[02:44] know, it's a security fail. And I'm
[02:46] like, well, one, that's where they told
[02:47] us we had to have it.
[02:50] We weren't optioned out anywhere else.
[02:52] There's a permit you have to get. And
[02:54] the school says, nope, this is where you
[02:56] have to have it. We don't get to argue
[02:58] with them, you know, we don't get to
[03:00] say, "No, but that's it. This is where
[03:03] you put this is where you have to do
[03:05] it." And then secondarily, Charlie
[03:08] locked it.
[03:11] There weren't it wasn't ticketing. You
[03:13] didn't have gates. Um people, regular
[03:16] people showed up. And
[03:19] >> okay, hold that thought. I just want to
[03:21] say with what he just said, right?
[03:25] He's talking about like, you know, he's
[03:26] a little, you know, he's jabbing at
[03:28] people who are saying it's a security
[03:29] fail, but also
[03:32] if you look at it and you go, "This is
[03:34] horrible.
[03:36] and it's 180 degrees and there's
[03:38] buildings all around and you know this
[03:40] is terrible and you know and and on top
[03:43] of that UVU is making you do it there.
[03:46] You don't go to Charlie and say, "Hey,
[03:49] listen. I know I know you're in charge.
[03:53] I understand that. But we're we're not
[03:56] doing this.
[03:58] We will not do this. You cannot do this.
[04:01] You're a big public figure. You can't do
[04:04] this. I get that you want to. I get you
[04:07] like it, but you're not doing this. My
[04:10] job is to keep your blood in your body.
[04:14] That's my job. That's what I'm doing.
[04:16] You can't do this. It has to be inside
[04:20] or
[04:22] you we have to get some bulletproof
[04:24] glass and that's going to cost you an
[04:26] extra because that stuff's not cheap.
[04:27] That's going to cost you an extra 10 10
[04:29] grand and you have to do it through
[04:31] there. this is the only way that we're
[04:33] gonna make sure that you're safe.
[04:37] Like, I get it. I get it. I get what
[04:38] he's saying. He's forced to do it out
[04:40] there. Charlie likes it as well, but
[04:42] there's still things that you could
[04:43] bring up. There's still a conversation
[04:46] that I would think has to happen. No.
[04:50] Anyway, let's keep going. Again, he's
[04:53] talking about how I know way too close
[04:55] to the camera, but you have to
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[05:20] Philadelphia thing that I've been
[05:22] rolling with the past few weeks. And if
[05:24] they do, you'll find me over there. Link
[05:26] in the description. Charlie likes it
[05:28] right now.
[05:29] We had spoke to him about it before.
[05:31] It's like, man, this is getting
[05:32] dangerous, you know. And his response
[05:35] was, I know.
[05:37] And so it's like, but
[05:40] if you ticket it and you make people
[05:43] jump through hoops to come in or pay or
[05:46] go through magnetters and then the
[05:49] people with opposing views don't show up
[05:50] and then there's no conversation. And
[05:53] when there's no conversation, there's
[05:55] more division. M
[05:57] >> and his goal was to have less division
[06:00] through conversation. And so the easiest
[06:04] way to get that was to open it up. And
[06:07] so, and that's not the first. I mean,
[06:09] UVU was a an open air, but we did San
[06:13] Francisco where we had a street takeover
[06:16] and people
[06:18] trying to climb over fences and, you
[06:20] know, our our primary and secondary uh
[06:23] xfill got compromised and and so it was
[06:26] it was bad.
[06:27] >> Wow. And so we've had um a New Mexico
[06:30] where we had no law enforcement
[06:32] assistance and had one not not last
[06:34] year, year before and we end up
[06:35] physically just fighting our way out of
[06:37] there. And so it's like we get it the
[06:42] risk but um his response and his you
[06:47] know his mentality was that um this is
[06:49] worth it. We're we're making gains here.
[06:53] in your coordination with UV.
[06:56] >> I hope that's not going to become the
[06:58] narrative that Charlie knew the risks
[07:01] and Charlie wanted to risk it all. I I
[07:04] hope that doesn't become the narrative
[07:06] because I feel like
[07:10] even if that's true,
[07:12] I feel like that's not the thing to to
[07:15] be saying that Charlie he wanted it this
[07:18] way. like I I don't you know oh he knew
[07:22] he was just so dangerous this guy like I
[07:24] don't think that's the thing to be
[07:26] saying and that's not completely what
[07:28] the guy's saying he's telling you know
[07:31] the truth is he knows it right his
[07:34] interactions
[07:35] his jobs what he's had to do but I hope
[07:39] that doesn't become something that
[07:41] people start paring now that this is
[07:43] what he wanted he wanted he wanted the
[07:46] danger he wanted you know that's this is
[07:49] not on me. It was Charlie,
[07:52] right? It's like you start pointing to
[07:54] the guy who can't defend himself at all.
[07:56] You're pointing to the guy that can't
[07:58] say, you know, whether this is true or
[08:00] not. Like it's really not fair to do. I
[08:03] I think. But we'll see. We'll see if
[08:06] that becomes the thing. But you hear
[08:08] what he's saying, right? He's saying,
[08:11] and I knew this I knew this when I first
[08:14] saw this interview. I was like, "These
[08:16] guys are starving to clear their name.
[08:18] They are going to do anything possible."
[08:20] And I even said when I was talking to
[08:22] someone, I'm like, "These guys are going
[08:23] to throw UVU under the bus." I said that
[08:26] before I even saw a minute of the
[08:27] interview. And that seems to be what's
[08:29] happening a little bit. Now, who is
[08:33] right and who is wrong? That is yet to
[08:36] be seen because there are foyer uh uh
[08:40] requests that you can make for the text
[08:43] messages between Chief Long, who is the
[08:47] uh chief of the university police and
[08:50] anybody, the security leading up to the
[08:53] event. If you you can you can make those
[08:55] requests. It'll take a little time for
[08:57] them to come through, but people have
[09:00] that kind of time with this whole thing.
[09:02] So, I suspect somebody I've even asked a
[09:04] few people to make that request because
[09:06] that that needs to be seen because that
[09:09] will really tell you who was pushing to
[09:12] make things safer and who was just
[09:15] trying to kind of not have to do all of
[09:17] that stuff. So, let's get into what
[09:22] Candace has to say about this whole
[09:24] thing. I was going to play a little bit
[09:26] more of the clip, but it's it's kind of
[09:29] moving away from the point of this
[09:31] video. So, I just wanted to make sure we
[09:34] get what Candace has to say right now.
[09:36] Let's jump in and hear what she had to
[09:39] say via her research and her turning
[09:43] point inside moles because that is what
[09:46] she is saying is happening right now.
[09:49] And it's not just her saying it either.
[09:50] There's a big donor who is actually
[09:53] coming forward saying that there are
[09:54] people in Turning Point who want to see
[09:58] justice and want to see things done
[09:59] right and those people are giving her
[10:01] the information. So, it's very
[10:03] interesting. Let's go.
[10:04] >> So, going back to our timeline, I will
[10:06] remind you it was July 18th, according
[10:09] to the local Utah news. They found this
[10:10] out. It was July 18th that UVU Turning
[10:14] Point chapter requested to have Charlie
[10:17] speak. That is very late in the day for
[10:20] a request. They're usually backed up
[10:22] entire semesters. Well, guess how
[10:24] quickly Turning Point headquarters not
[10:26] only approved it, but then sent people
[10:28] to campus to begin scouting a location.
[10:31] Almost immediately in early August,
[10:34] within two weeks, they had boots on the
[10:35] ground and they were scouting for a
[10:37] location. And it gets worse. Okay. I
[10:41] learned that after UVU showed them
[10:46] multiple options inside and outside, UVU
[10:50] recommended to Turning Point that they
[10:53] not hold the event in the amphitheater
[10:56] because of safety re reasons. Not a good
[10:59] idea because we can't shut this area
[11:01] down. It's not a good idea because
[11:03] there's no control here. we cannot
[11:06] control the traffic, the flow of traffic
[11:08] coming in and out of this amphitheater.
[11:11] But TurningPoint insisted that that was
[11:14] where they wanted to have the event. It
[11:15] was because Turning Point insisted that
[11:18] that event was then held outside. Now, I
[11:19] can tell you having done these events.
[11:22] That was the first thing among many that
[11:24] struck me as odd is anybody can just
[11:26] walk into that's the whole point of
[11:28] safety is you want to make sure at these
[11:30] students you're checking tickets, you
[11:32] have security looking at them up and
[11:34] down. Do they look weird? Who are we
[11:35] supposed to keep eyes on? This guy's
[11:37] weird. Let's watch this guy because he's
[11:40] mumbling to himself. The whole point of
[11:42] that, the reason why you feel safe going
[11:43] to a Turning Point event is because not
[11:46] everybody can just walk up and sit down
[11:49] when they want to. Okay, you want to
[11:50] look people in the eye. Suddenly, that
[11:53] didn't matter to them. Turning Point
[11:54] insisted on having the event outside
[11:56] despite UVU saying they did not they
[11:59] communicated to them they did not think
[12:00] the outside was the best idea because of
[12:02] safety reasons. So my question now is
[12:06] which specific Turning Point employees
[12:08] went down and picked that venue outside?
[12:11] I want to know. In fact, I need to know
[12:13] and I will know, right? We're just if
[12:15] you know, send me a tip. But we're we're
[12:17] going to find out. Okay. What's the
[12:19] events department looking like that does
[12:21] that? I know, by the way, that Mikey
[12:23] McCoy's wife is one of the events
[12:25] directors. Now, I'm not saying that she
[12:27] does campus events because there's
[12:28] different departments. She might do the
[12:30] bigger events, but was she at all
[12:32] involved in planning this event? I want
[12:34] to know. She may not have been. I need
[12:35] to know and I will know. And if you
[12:38] would like us to find out quicker
[12:40] because you have that information,
[12:41] please send us an email to more
[12:43] tips@candicewowens.com.
[12:45] Who?
[12:46] So, very interesting here. Now, what I
[12:50] could say, you know, if I want to be
[12:53] very charitable is that when he says
[12:56] that UVU didn't give him a choice, that
[13:01] maybe he doesn't realize
[13:04] that it was actually Turning Point.
[13:06] Maybe he's saying it was UVU who said
[13:09] you have to have it here, but in
[13:11] actuality, turning point was just like
[13:13] this is the location, that's it. You
[13:16] know, I really just don't like the idea
[13:18] that there are going to be multiple
[13:20] people that are going to be able to
[13:21] blame Charlie for this whole thing.
[13:23] They're going to be like, "Oh, Charlie
[13:24] really?" Because Candace is saying, you
[13:28] know, Turning Point insisted,
[13:31] let me get her out of that position.
[13:32] >> Who were the Turning Point
[13:34] >> employees that were the boots on the
[13:35] ground that scouted that event and that
[13:37] location?
[13:38] >> There we go. Get a normal face on you.
[13:41] Sorry about that.
[13:43] But she's saying that Turning Point
[13:47] insisted, they insisted on that
[13:50] location, right? He's saying UVU
[13:54] actually insisted on that location. Now,
[13:58] I'm inclined to believe her over him,
[14:01] but he still is saying this, and I don't
[14:04] think that I I don't know him to be a a
[14:07] straightup liar. This is not Eric
[14:09] Boiling.
[14:11] Bo Bowling,
[14:13] what was it? Boiling. Boing.
[14:16] This is not that guy. This is not Rob
[14:18] McCoy, right? Seems like a great guy
[14:21] when he's going through the interview.
[14:23] Very, very experienced, you know, uh,
[14:26] working in Texas, did a whole bunch of,
[14:29] uh, police work. I mean, his guys are
[14:31] squared away people in regards to what
[14:34] their past is and what their
[14:36] qualifications are.
[14:38] So, I can't assume that he's lying.
[14:39] That's why I'm trying to be charitable
[14:40] and say maybe he doesn't know. Maybe
[14:43] what he was told was this is the venue
[14:46] no matter what and doesn't realize that
[14:48] it's it was actually turning point that
[14:51] was making it solidified, right?
[14:55] I don't know. It's really hard to tell
[14:56] between the two because the thing is
[14:59] Candace is getting information. And
[15:01] another thing, the reason that I'm
[15:02] having trouble with this is because, you
[15:04] know, you know, Turning Point, I would
[15:09] think, possibly, allegedly, maybe would
[15:14] be in damage control mode. I mean, we
[15:17] already saw it with Eric Bowling where
[15:20] he was just like, "Oh, Candace, haven't
[15:22] heard from her, I don't know, since
[15:23] 2015. I don't know, 2016." And it was
[15:27] just it was just so quickly debunked.
[15:30] Rob McCoy saying h all this stuff.
[15:33] Andrew even saying a thing or two that
[15:35] didn't really add up. Blake saying a
[15:37] thing or two that didn't really add up
[15:39] allegedly,
[15:41] right? [laughter]
[15:44] So, you know that they're scrambling.
[15:47] Tyler Tyler's on X threatening to sue
[15:49] people. People are saying things and I
[15:52] know two guys who I'm communicating with
[15:55] that he has threatened to sue.
[15:58] It's like what? It's so it's so it's so
[16:01] so crazy. But yeah, they're they're in a
[16:06] mode where they're trying to really get
[16:07] things under control. So, am I seeing
[16:11] this because this guy wants to clear his
[16:13] name or am I seeing this because this
[16:15] was another opportunity
[16:17] to really get the story out there, get
[16:19] get a get a certain narrative out there?
[16:21] I don't know. I'm not saying that's what
[16:23] it is. But I will say there's a there's
[16:28] definitely some parallels
[16:30] between this interview
[16:34] and Eric Bowling going on Patrick Bed
[16:37] David's podcast. Now, where are the
[16:39] similarities? Well, they're in the fact
[16:43] that
[16:44] you have to be trying to push some kind
[16:47] of narrative. And I and again, not
[16:50] saying that's what he's doing, but it
[16:53] seems that way. I mean, this whole
[16:55] interview is just about that one day.
[16:58] And he is not in this whole thing. I've
[17:01] already watched it. I'm on my second
[17:03] watch. He's not saying, "Well, I can
[17:05] tell you where we messed up. Oh, I can
[17:08] tell you where we really dropped the
[17:09] ball." That's not what he's going to be
[17:11] doing in this. And he's not going to be
[17:14] talking down on Turning Point because he
[17:17] still works for that company. They still
[17:18] do security. He's not he's not going to
[17:21] be talking down on his guys. So, the
[17:24] only thing he has to do is turn it on to
[17:26] UVU and say, "Well, these guys messed
[17:28] up."
[17:30] I don't know. I don't know. I again, I'm
[17:33] inclined to believe Candace because
[17:35] Candace is pissed, right? And her friend
[17:39] is dead and he was friends with Charlie
[17:41] as well, but I feel like she was closer
[17:44] to him. Uh, again, I've said this
[17:47] before, when it comes to women, they
[17:49] just have a a deeper e when they're your
[17:51] friend or if they're working for you,
[17:54] they have a much deeper uh connection to
[17:57] you because they're just naturally like
[17:59] that. They're just they're better at
[18:01] connecting. They're better at being good
[18:03] to people. And I know I know I know
[18:06] you're thinking of some like ladies
[18:08] you've seen on Instagram or like
[18:09] podcasts and stuff. You're like, "Those
[18:11] ones suck." Those aren't the ones that
[18:13] I'm talking I'm talking about regular
[18:15] people, you know.
[18:17] Not talking about the ones that like
[18:19] you, you know. You know what I mean? You
[18:21] know what I mean when I say Instagram. I
[18:23] don't mean the ladies that are taking
[18:25] pictures with their husbands and their
[18:26] cats. You know what I'm talking about.
[18:29] Okay? You know the ones that are
[18:31] bouncing. You know, let's not get
[18:34] graphic. You know which ones. You see
[18:36] them. We're not talking about those
[18:38] ones. We're talking about regular uh
[18:41] good good women, right?
[18:44] H I think Candace is right.
[18:48] But there's more. There's more to this
[18:50] interview and I'm going to be bringing
[18:53] you uh some more of the highlights. The
[18:56] w the one I'm going to bring next that
[18:58] we're going to talk about next is uh the
[19:01] fact that this guy completely just
[19:04] throws UVU under the bus. And I don't
[19:07] even mean just like a little bit, like
[19:09] very blatantly, which again,
[19:13] assuming he's telling the truth, right,
[19:17] is valid. That's what you should do. You
[19:20] got to call out what they did wrong. But
[19:22] we're never going to hear a word of what
[19:24] he did wrong. UVU is not going to talk
[19:26] about it, right? I already said at the
[19:30] beginning of this episode, there are
[19:31] some things that this guy could have
[19:33] done. There's some conversations he
[19:34] could have had. He could have said,
[19:35] "Charlie, please don't do this." Or,
[19:38] like I said, the bulletproof glass is
[19:41] the best thing. That is the best thing.
[19:44] What do we have now? Is this a signup?
[19:47] Oh, no. This is someone giving me a tip.
[19:49] Oh, what's this person's name? I
[19:52] probably shouldn't say your name. I'll
[19:54] just say uh D. Hey, D. Thanks for the
[19:58] tip. I'm going to look into it right
[20:00] now. But yeah, that's what we're gonna
[20:02] talk about next because that's very very
[20:04] interesting.
