[00:00] Wow.
[00:00] >> Yeah. And and so you have to ask
[00:02] yourself who who did this? Did Charlie
[00:05] do this or did Erica do this? I don't
[00:07] know because we'll never get to see the
[00:09] policy, but I would love to see the
[00:10] policy because to me it feels like what
[00:12] we've seen now from Erica, she's
[00:14] connected enough. I don't think it's out
[00:16] of the question that she could have
[00:18] finagled something where she did this,
[00:19] you know.
[00:20] >> Now, just for the audience
[00:21] clarification, Brian, when you say she's
[00:23] connected enough, are you saying
[00:25] connected enough to turn to Point USA or
[00:26] connected enough to something else?
[00:28] >> To something else. I follow you.
[00:31] >> Oh yeah, Diddy got a podcast.
[00:37] >> Like, is the world really a better place
[00:39] because of Turning Point? I think that's
[00:40] hard to quantify. That'd be hard to
[00:42] prove because we don't really see that,
[00:44] you know? We just see everyone making
[00:46] more money, buying bigger houses, flying
[00:49] private.
[00:49] >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Speaking of that, that's
[00:51] on somewhere in here. It spoke about how
[00:53] much was spent on like private planes or
[00:56] something. in in one of the years
[00:58] 198,000 first class and charter. That's
[01:00] just on the jet. That's [laughter] not
[01:01] even a number of the hotel. Yeah.
[01:03] >> And let I I I I just really want people
[01:06] Let me zoom zone.
[01:08] >> If you need the page, it's page 16 right
[01:09] at the bottom.
[01:10] >> Okay. But I want to make sure people
[01:12] understand this part. So 80 almost so
[01:15] basically $81 million at the However,
[01:18] despite making 81 million, let me make
[01:21] sure I'm saying it correctly. Yes. in
[01:23] total 81 million in total expenses. They
[01:26] had at the end of 2023 only $4 million
[01:29] in cash and 5.67 in savings
[01:32] >> and that's per their balance sheet. So
[01:34] again, everything in here is from their
[01:36] own IRS filing. You know, they have a
[01:38] balance sheet, they have an income
[01:39] statement, and that's just what it shows
[01:41] on the balance sheet. So it makes sense
[01:43] in the sense when Candace says, "Hey,
[01:45] Charlie's worried about blowing the
[01:46] money because they're left with 5
[01:48] million, you know, three million at the
[01:50] end of the year." So they do blow it.
[01:51] And yeah, here's the private private
[01:53] jets. 198,000.
[01:55] >> Man,
[01:57] boy, that's crazy, man.
[02:00] >> Yeah, I don't think travel a lot, but
[02:02] that's 200 grand just on the jet.
[02:05] >> Just on the jet. How about all the
[02:06] security, the the the car services that
[02:09] are waiting for him, you know, the
[02:11] hotels? I don't think he's staying at a
[02:12] red roof. So you start to to look and
[02:15] it's just like yeah they're living the
[02:16] good life on the dime of the donor, you
[02:19] know, not like they're adding value.
[02:21] It's just simply on the dime of the
[02:23] donor. I think next we should cover this
[02:25] section right below this. I found this.
[02:27] It's hard to surprise me because I've
[02:28] been doing this so long and this really
[02:30] took me back. Let's try and like kind of
[02:32] clearly explain what's going on here.
[02:34] >> Okay.
[02:35] >> In 20, let me make sure I got the right.
[02:36] In 2023, I found somewhere near the
[02:39] bottom that they Charlie Kirk or Erica
[02:42] Kirk rather, I'm not sure which one, but
[02:44] created an LLC called GG uh LF.
[02:48] Interestingly, if you know, one of the
[02:50] kids' names is Gigi. [clears throat] So,
[02:52] I'm speculating. First, let me explain
[02:54] what this is, then I'll speculate as to
[02:55] what I think happened here. So, this is
[02:57] not uncommon. You use these life
[02:59] policies in the event if the guy who's
[03:01] running the nonprofit is like the face
[03:03] of the company, right? Elon Musk is the
[03:05] face of Tesla. Charlie Kirk, the face of
[03:07] this. You can kind of protect yourself,
[03:10] I guess, financially. So, you take this
[03:12] out. If something happens to him, you
[03:13] get a a portion of it, a very small
[03:15] portion, by the way, and then Erica or
[03:17] the beneficiary gets the rest. Timing is
[03:20] odd because it's 2023. Remember,
[03:23] Charlie's been the face of this thing, I
[03:25] would say, at least since 2017. I know
[03:27] it started in 2012, but meaning like
[03:29] where he was on the map, everyone knew
[03:31] 2017. that it took six years for them to
[03:34] think, oh, we should uh, you know, get a
[03:36] policy, but uh, so they did anyway. And
[03:39] it's a massive premium, 350,000 a year.
[03:42] It could be upwards of 1020 million.
[03:44] Erica's again, I'm assuming, Erica, the
[03:45] beneficiary is going to get because of
[03:47] how high the premium is, right?
[03:49] >> How much premiums usually, and I know
[03:51] I'm asking you that on the spot, is it
[03:53] 100,000,
[03:54] 50,000?
[03:55] >> I mean, I I guess it depends on on your
[03:57] net worth. like someone like me, it's I
[03:59] mean way way lower, you know, maybe
[04:01] 5,000 a year I was paying for for mine
[04:04] and this is 350. Again, Charlie Kirk is
[04:06] obviously a lot richer than me, but just
[04:08] to put into context.
[04:09] >> Wow.
[04:10] >> I think mine was four or 5,000 a year.
[04:12] >> Wow.
[04:13] >> And I pay mine. I love what they did
[04:15] here. Turning Point pays it. So just
[04:17] >> And that's totally legal. Well, I guess
[04:19] it would be.
[04:19] >> Oh, you know how it's legal? Key word.
[04:21] It's a loan. But I guarantee you he
[04:23] would have never paid this back. It's
[04:24] It's They're loaning it. So what do you
[04:26] mean he would have never paid it back?
[04:28] So why would you take it out if you
[04:29] wouldn't be able to pay it back?
[04:30] >> I don't think anyone I mean I'm assuming
[04:32] I don't think anyone would have ever
[04:33] because he is turning point. So I don't
[04:34] think he would come after himself and
[04:36] say hey you got to pay this back.
[04:37] >> Okay I see. You know this is legal.
[04:39] >> Yeah because if you look at the key word
[04:40] it's called loan. So loan to or from
[04:43] interested persons. So on paper it's a
[04:45] loan and you know they're just loaning
[04:47] him the money. They're paying the
[04:49] premium for him and then they get
[04:51] interest back in return if something
[04:52] happens plus their principal. So, in
[04:54] theory, they probably got the 350 back
[04:56] now that he died, but who knows what the
[04:58] beneficiary got because the 350 is such
[05:00] a large.
[05:01] >> It could be in the tens of millions or
[05:02] something.
[05:02] >> Yeah. Because 350 is such a large Yeah.
[05:04] >> Wow.
[05:05] >> Yeah. And so, you have to ask yourself,
[05:07] who who did this? Did Charlie do this or
[05:10] did Erica do this? I don't know because
[05:12] we'll never get to see the policy, but I
[05:14] would love to see the policy because to
[05:16] me, it feels like what we've seen now
[05:18] from Erica, she's connected enough. I
[05:20] don't think it's out of the question
[05:22] that she could have finagled something
[05:23] where she did this, you know.
[05:24] >> Now, just for the audience
[05:26] clarification, Brian, when you say she's
[05:28] connected enough, are you saying
[05:29] connected enough to turn to Point USA or
[05:31] connected enough to something else?
[05:32] >> To something else.
[05:33] >> I follow you
[05:34] >> to something else. So,
[05:35] >> based on her behavior,
[05:36] >> based on her family, based on her
[05:38] family. And again, that's all
[05:39] documented. We can get into that if
[05:40] you'd like, uh, you know, later down the
[05:42] road. But that's why I say that because
[05:43] it's just when you're that connected. I
[05:45] don't know if this would be that hard to
[05:47] do where Kirk wouldn't have known. You
[05:49] know what? Is it just take a stamp of
[05:50] his name? Hit the stamp, sign it. You
[05:53] know, uh the fact that it's Gigi, I
[05:55] thought just caught my attention. That's
[05:56] her the daughter's name,
[05:58] >> you know. GG, that's the name of this,
[06:00] >> right?
[06:00] >> Maybe. But either way, even if she
[06:02] didn't do it and Charlie did it, this is
[06:03] very notable.
[06:04] >> Yeah. But like you said, why wait now?
[06:06] Why go six years and in 2023 all of a
[06:09] sudden now you you have the idea to
[06:12] create this split dollar life insurance
[06:14] policy?
[06:14] >> It's possible they knew he was going to
[06:16] disappear. So, if you know he's going to
[06:17] disappear, you know, let's make some
[06:19] money off it. I don't know why else. I
[06:21] just don't know why you would wait.
[06:22] Again, I think it's reasonable to wait a
[06:24] few years. If they would have done this
[06:25] in 2020, that wouldn't have caught my
[06:27] attention because in 2020, he was really
[06:29] elevating his profile. 2019, 20, you
[06:32] know, but 2023, it just feels a bit
[06:34] late. So,
[06:35] >> yeah,
[06:35] >> I would love to see the policy because
[06:37] that can answer a lot of questions. How
[06:39] much is the payout? Who's the
[06:40] beneficiary? You know, when like within
[06:43] 2023, when was this put together? But,
[06:46] you know, unless we have an insider, I
[06:47] don't think we're ever going to see
[06:48] that. But it's to me, we should not
[06:50] overlook this is all I'm saying. You
[06:52] know, why exactly this happened? That's
[06:54] speculation, but it happened and it's
[06:56] here. And keep in mind, that's 350 and
[06:58] 23, 24, and 25,
[07:01] >> right? Because he he died in 25. So,
[07:04] that probably would have already been
[07:04] paid. So, someone's getting money off
[07:06] this. And I just think Charlie was rich
[07:08] enough he should pay a life policy on
[07:10] his own. That's just my own feeling
[07:12] because I don't think Turning Point
[07:13] should be on the hook for everything he
[07:15] wants to do,
[07:16] >> right?
[07:16] >> You know, it's not not unreasonable to
[07:18] ask him.
[08:29] Oh yeah, Diddy got podcast.
[08:36] >> [music]