Investigative Journalist Brian Ference Exposes Turning Point USA Financial Corruption and Charlie Kirk's Final Audit Request

Hey, hey, hey. [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] Happy Wednesday everybody. Happy Wednesday. Hit the like button on your way in if you don't mind. I'm excited about today's episode, man. I'm excited. hit the like button on your way in. Um, the first thing I want to say uh as as everyone gets in here is that we have covered many different angles on this channel. um from everybody's odd behavior, you know, you know, up to the tweets that Charlie Kirk was putting out, you know, prior to everything that happened and uh you know, the interviews that he he he was given um down to the Megan Kelly interview. We've covered a lot of things, but something that a lot of you all have been asking me um particularly over the past week to talk about have been the audits. Many of you have been saying, DD, talk about the audits. Have you heard about the audits? And to be honest with you, I have not heard about the audits very much. I've seen a couple of tweets here and there. And then earlier today, I saw an interview or yesterday. Yesterday I saw an interview um on this channel called this YouTube channel called Redacted. Pretty huge channel, almost three million subscribers. Um pretty big reach. And they interviewed um this investigative journalist and they had a very interesting conversation about TPUSA funding, which Candace Owens has talked about this before. TPUSA funding and um the the the money was looking funny and Charlie Kirk was asking questions. All right. And Candace hasn't talked a whole lot about it. I think she may have just spoken about it maybe one or two episodes. But anyways, I reached out to the investigative journalist and he responded and he was open to coming on to the show. And so I will be just having it won't even be an interview. Instead, we'll just be having a conversation and just picking his brain about what he thinks about uh what he can tell us about what he knows. Um because again, this is not something that I'm fully versed on. But before we do that, I want to read something to you all. And I want you all to keep in mind that everything you're about to hear me read is from the Republicans, not the Democrats. This is from the Republicans, right? coming out of the state of Florida. Turning Point USA has a chapter in Florida. And I believe that Florida is the state where Ben Shapiro uh is located. I believe that's a state that Ben Shapiro lives in. But I want to show you all something that one of the I believe chapter members tweeted today about something that I would call a pretty big deal. Um, this person here says, "Our Turning Point chapter decided to ban students from their chat due to their support for Tucker Carlson, who literally spoke at a Turning Point event just weeks ago. They cited quote unquote hate speech as the reason, a nonsensical leftist term used to stifle free debate. My university scored poorly on free speech. I thought it was leftwing students and faculty that shut down debate, but it looks like elements of the right are equally responsible for campus censorship, which we've already known that they've been doing this for um a few months now. Hopefully, pressure from the wider community can help the Turning Point University of Florida chapter executive board write their wrongs. Now, I want to read uh this here that they're talking about just so you all can understand uh what's taking place. So, this here says um our group and this is a screenshot from a um their group me. So, the Turning Point USA chapter located at the UN University of Florida. This is what the message said says. Our group is committed to fostering a welcoming and respectful environment for all students regardless of political affiliation. As a nonpartisan organization, we promote open dialogue and civic engagement grounded in mutual respect and shared democratic values. While we encourage diverse viewpoints and constructive debate, we will not tolerate hate speech, harassment, or rhetoric that promotes xenophobia, misogyny, racism, anti-semitism, or any ideology rooted in discrimination or violence. Such behavior directly contradicts our mission and the values we uphold. In light of recent concerns and communications from university administration regarding individuals affiliated with the far-right extremist movements and their threats towards members of the University of Florida community. We are taking proactive measures to ensure the safety and integrity of our space. Any individual found engaging in or endorsing this type of rhetoric will be removed from the group me. As Charlie demonstrated through his actions and words, including his clear rejection of figures such as Nick Fuentes during his campus tour, there is no place for hatred or intolerance in civic discourse. And this is probably my favorite part. Let me remove this banner. Our group will continue to be a space for informed, respectful, and inclusive discussion that reflects those same principles. I found this to be especially interesting because I not too often on the right do you hear them use terms like inclusive, but they used it today. Now, the last thing I'm going to read to you all before I bring our guest on is a tweet from Charlie Kirk himself that directly contradicts what these people just said. Charlie Kirk himself says, "Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and all of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free. So, you got to ask yourself, who are these people that are behind these new revelations and ideas that's coming out of Turning Point USA? And with that, I'll bring on our guest, Mr. Brian. Is it Ference or Ference? >> Uh, Ference, you got it right the first time. >> Brian Ference, thank you so much for coming on, man. We really appreciate it. >> Thank you, DD. I appreciate it. Uh, great to be on your show. And I did want to comment actually on that University of Florida tweet because I saw that and I was commenting on that. Um, and there's a there's a couple things to that really. First of all, that that TPUSA chapter in University of Florida, they should be ashamed of themselves. As you just showed, uh, you know, Charlie Kirk absolutely does not support censorship. He doesn't support sus, uh, suppression of free speech, particularly against Republicans. These are these are Republicans that they're kicking out of their group, right? So, um there's actually a comment there's another Republican group there um I guess one that that supports free speech >> and uh they it's UFCR and they put out a statement that they are welcoming to all students. Uh they're home to free speech at University of Florida. Uh they have a general body meeting tomorrow, November 5th. Uh they say it's strange. This is censorship. How can TPUSA UF uh how how are they willing to debate and have dialogue with leftists that that disagree with them but close the door on conservatives who they disagree with? Disgraceful. this I I don't want to digress too much because depending on how this conversation goes, we we we could really go off into a lot of rabbit holes here because there's so much that's happening since the Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes interview that is absolutely shameful. I was just watching a Ben Shapiro clip of this guy just absolutely I believe the name of his video on YouTube is um Tucker Carlson is bad for America or ruining America. He's against America or something. and he he goes on this rant about how Tucker Carlson is anti-American for all these silly reasons, but maybe we'll get into that a little bit later. Brian, if you don't mind, um, just introduce yourself, let my audience know who you are, um, sort of what you specialize in, and then we'll get into the Charlie Kirk story. >> Sure. Sure. Uh, so again, thanks for having me on your show, DD. Uh, my name is Brian Ference. Uh primarily I'm an investigative journalist in Arizona. Uh I've sort of been covering uh Turning Point, Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action, uh Scott Pressler, Early Vote Early Early Vote Action, uh all those groups uh pretty exclusively for a while kind of because they they kind of got their start. I mean, so Turning Point is based in Arizona first of all. They they were founded in Chicago, they moved to Arizona. Tyler Ber, who's the CEO of Turning Point Action, convinced Charlie Kirk to move it. Um, so you know, I was just introduced to like Tyler Ber very early on. >> Oh, you've met him? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I met him. I met him several times in person. I'm an elected state committeeman also in Arizona. And so he was running, you know, one of the state meetings uh in the past. He was a he was the chairman in 2015 of the Maricopa County Republican Committee. I was a board member, you know, after his time. It was more like around, you know, I think it was 2022, something like that. I was a board member in the Maricopa County Republican, uh, committee. So, um, we moved in very similar circles. I have a lot of the inside knowledge of Arizona and politics and kind of what's going on. Um, I write, uh, I have a site which is brianference.com and then, uh, that's my ex handle, uh, at Brian Ference One is where you can follow me on X. Um, I I did want to mention one thing. Um, I hopefully that was an okay introduction. I wanted to mention one thing. So, um, when Turning Point USA, like their their chapter, right? So, this is like at a college campus. When they're kicking people out of the chat and suppressing free speech, that is not a oneoff. Okay? There's a uh legislative district 15 in Arizona, which is a precinct committeemen. So, these are adult Republicans in the GOP party. Um I have screenshots and contact with one of them. Um basically the same thing. They're controlled by Turning Point either employees or employees wife or you know special interests and they literally kicked out adult Republicans from their chat group also because they didn't like some of the criticism about Turning Point and Jake Hoffman specifically. So LD15 Jake Hoffman is a consultant the ad consultant. He's been kind of Tyler Boyer's partner in crime for the last 10 years since they met in Maricopa. And he he lives in Mesa, Arizona. And um you know, he's he's a senator in Arizona. And a lot of people say he controls legislative district 15, but what's his connection to Turning Point? They pay his companies. He has many companies. They pay him like $4 million a year from Turning Point to Jake Hoffman's companies. So he's basically like an employee, you know? who's like the consultant. He runs all their ads, social media, all this stuff. Um, so his wife is the first vice chair of legislative district 15. So she's a board member and this is the board that just like the college uh college group, they they they don't like anyone questioning them. They censor free speech. They kick you out of their chat groups. And they also canled five of their district meetings in like the last six months because they don't like they don't like people meeting and questioning them and you know the grassroots. >> So this was well before the Charlie Kirk Utah incident. You're saying this was happening prior to that. >> Yeah. So >> of speech and and cancelling people and >> Right. Yeah. One of one of the reasons that they gave for cancelling one of their meetings was because of the Charlie Kirk assassination, which again shows how aligned, you know, Jake Hoffman and legislative district 15 is that that they would we're going to cancel a legislative district meeting because of this. Um they also canled one of the meetings because they wanted everyone to go to a fundraiser that Turning Point and Jake Hoffman is endorsing a candidate. So they want them to go to that fundraising. Uh but the PCs, the precinct committeemen there in LD15, they're starting to question it and complain like why are we canceling all these meetings? We feel like we don't have a voice. We're being silenced. We're being censored. So I'm just pointing out the parallels between this TPUSA controlled adult legislative district and this TPUSA controlled uh you know college college uh group this chapter. >> Okay. So the the I I I think you sort of got already got into the maybe the answer to the question, the original question I was going to ask you is similar to what you were asked on Redacted, which is when was the first time you smelled a rat? But the but instead what I'm going to ask you instead, which may be the same same question, but but you're free to answer it as you please. Brian, for you being stationed in Arizona, being an investigative journalist specifically, um um you know, looking at Turning Point well before this point for you when everything first happened on October 10th or September 10th, what was the first thing for you where you said, "Okay, something's off here. Something is not as we were told." >> Okay, so that's a good question. So September 10th, um I was on X and I saw because of some of the people that I follow, which are, you know, there's a lot of Turning Point people. Um I saw almost the live video when Charlie Kirk was assassinated and you know, just terrible tragedy, terrible video. Um and the first thing I wanted to do is like I could I couldn't believe it. I said I, you know, it's very graphic, but I need to repost this. People need to see exactly what happened. Um, and I, many people were doing that. And then what I saw was there was this uh movement through X, which you'll see like trends and stuff coming through. And um, there was some turning point aligned people and they had there's some other align alignments that they had and they wanted to take down all those videos of of Charlie. Now, I mean, it's it's horrific and it's violent, but people needed to see that. Um, and so for me, there was this immediate censorship of like, oh, people can't see this video. We need to take this down. Um, and there was multiple videos from multiple angles. And then I saw the very next thing I saw, uh, there was they were interviewing someone that I think it was the same guy that did the live stream. He was interviewing a student that witnessed the assassination live. And you saw a Turning Point USA employee. It's funny because he It's not funny. >> He He He actually isn't an employee. He was He was a volunteer. >> You're right. You're right. He was He was He was I thought at first that it was Andrew Kovic because they looked kind of similar. Yep. >> Um but anyways, he was wearing a hat and um he just basically came up and assaulted the student. Um so so you're right that he's not an employee. I think when they looked into him later, uh he he's a volunteer. uh he's volunteered with them several times. So, you know, when when I I don't know, does he get any compensation? Does he get uh you know, social media uh followers as a result? Is he part of their influencer program, which is also, you know, volunteer, but there's financial benefits to it. So, I don't know. But, um it it was it was very strange. I was like, okay, why why are we censoring this video? Why are we censoring witnesses from talking? Uh, and then and then all these I mean you I'm sure you covered it on your show. I've seen some of it, but uh there's just all this crazy stuff that happened. Candace Owens has covered it extensively. Just these strange behaviors. I mean, you got Mikey McCoy the second Charlie Kirk is is shot. He's on the phone walking away, you know, uh just strolling off. And then you see like the ca the cameraman who I've talked about before. Um, you know, he he books it, runs, uh, gets to that vantage point like behind a bridge on a, you know, on rocks and stuff and he starts shooting a selfie video and he's showing Charlie Kirk being, you know, uh, rushed into into an SUV and then he pronounced, "Oh, he's dead. Charlie Kirk's dead." The first person to say Charlie Kirk's dead. And that video didn't come out until much later. I'm just saying there was other inconsistencies, other videos. Um, and then I saw this wave of um, propaganda coming through that, you know, um, Charlie Kirk's he he's survived. He's in the hospital. He's doing well. You know, he's going to make it all this stuff. And I was like, how do they know that? How do they know that that he's recovering? How do they know? >> Who are they getting this information from? >> Yeah. I mean, could he could be okay, maybe he'll live, but he might be paralyzed. Like, I don't know. And it was just strange this wave of propaganda from the usual suspect accounts. Uh and it was all wrong. It was all a lie. I I don't know why they were they were spreading that. And then President Trump then eventually, you know, announced that Charter Kirk did die. Uh but there was just so much confusion and back and forth. And then we saw from Andrew Kovit who, you know, leapt into the the forefront as the official spokesperson. you know, he said, uh, the doctor informed me that it was a miracle and, uh, you know, Charlie Kirk had man of steel bones. You know, the bullet hit and his bones were so dense and they were man of steel bones. So, I was just like, this is propaganda. Like, what is going on here? Um, and and if you if you had followed uh Turning Point for a long time and some of their accounts and speakers, they always ran propaganda like that. Um, so I I just saw it immediately. I was like, this is their usual pattern. They're just making up. Uh, you know, they have to walk it back right away. Um, and >> wait, hold on. Hold on. Let me pause you real fast to say when you say they're making it up at the time, cuz I know we're in the moment. At the time, not where you are now. At the time when you're thinking to yourself, they're making stuff up from your investigative journalist mindset. Are you thinking they're making it up and Charlie Kirk is okay and they're going to come back and walk it back and say that he's alive, or are they up to something else? Well, and I mean, at the time I was uh you know, it was terrible and I was praying that he was going to survive. I was praying for his family. Um I mean it was a terrible thing. So I I just knew this like back and forth of, you know, oh, he's alive. They they had no idea what the status was. They're they're literally just kind of it's just clickbait really. They're just trolling for, you know, get lots of likes, get lots of impressions. Um, and and it's kind of a pattern with some of those accounts, but I I just was seeing all this back and forth and there was so much uh I remember telling someone in one of the groups that I was in is like, you know, I'm I'm praying for Charlie Kirk. I, you know, I hope he survives. I'm praying for his family. And uh they were just like so angry at me. They're like, "Brian, you've been, you know, criticizing them. You know, we don't want your prayers." Is what they said. We don't want your prayers. I was like, "All right, well, let's let's try to separate like politics and like, you know, actuality thinking and then like here's someone that's been, you know, assassinated." Uh, and I mean, of course, you know, it's hor horrific and we're praying for him. And I really I, you know, you talked about at the moment. It was hard to know at the moment, but as things started to come out and I'd been watching, you know, what Charlie Kirk had been saying the weeks before, he was questioning like the source of the funding. He was questioning uh, you know, his donors. he was questioning like why why are certain things not allowed to talk about? Um and you know I really think that Charlie Kirk especially in the end you know having been critical of of Charlie Kirk and more so his organization in the end he truly was doing the right thing. he was um understanding more about his organization and the corruption there and he was trying to, you know, do the the godly and rightly thing and expose the truth. And I really think that's why evil decided, well, we've got to end Charlie Kirk right now. we have to kill him because he was he was making this transition of just further truth and like further righteousness and you know casting off these shackles of maybe you know in bad influences that had had been influencing him and his organization. >> So let's talk about those um this this alleged corruption or maybe some of it not so alleged. Um again this is something I haven't spoken about very much at all. um if you don't mind just sharing a little bit about maybe what people or a lot of people may not know about Turning Point USA behind the scenes um behind the curtain as far as allegations um people who have been I I believe they've spent some jail time for certain things maybe things Charlie Kirk knew about didn't know so much about um just share with us a a little bit about that. >> Sure. Um let me bring up kind of to start with that um this central figure of Tyler Ber. So, um, Tyler Ber, uh, he he was he's born in Arizona. He's like a third generation Arizonan. He was the 2015, uh, Maricopa County, uh, Republican Committee, uh, chairman. And I actually, there's, let's see, I've got a couple quotes I want to read real quick. I should have sent this to you before, but I I I think I can pull it up real quick. So, when he was the chairman of the Maricopa County Republican Committee, um there was uh a vote of no confidence that was brought forward in his leadership. And uh let me see if I can find that real quick because I want to I want to read basically what they're saying because because it kind of sets it up. Uh let's see. I think I think I have it in my bookmarks. Let's see. I can do no confidence. Sorry for the live uh the live search. Okay, I got it. I found it. So, not not too bad. found pretty quick. All right. So, this is in 2015, the Maricopa County, Arizona Republican Committee, which is the GOP organization. Ber was the chairman. So, this is a direct these are some direct quotes. So, it said um there was a vote of no confidence that alleged these are allegations. uh MCRC funds are not a personal account to be used without discretion or discipline and that Boyer quote displayed ongoing unethical financial behavior, violating the bylaws with a mis misuse of funds through repeated use of the MCRC debit card without receipts and abused MCRC funds and violated federal election law, exhibiting blatant dishonest honesty in both internal and external communications as to amounts of f funds in the budget and demonstrated chronic duplicity and deceptiveness in word and deed. Okay, so the reason this is important is this is calling out he was a Turning Point USA employee at this time. So he he he already had a conflict of interest. He was the chairman of the Maropa County Republican Committee and he was an employee of Turning Point USA. So, he's being accused um and there's the witnesses that I spoke to later said basically of embezzlement. It's basically an accusation of embezzlement >> of embezzlement. Um embezzling funds into Turning Point USA or the other way. >> They didn't uh so it wouldn't be from Turning Point USA. It would be from the Maricopa GOP party. That's the accusation. Um, and we don't it doesn't go into de he doesn't go into specifics about like did he use it for his personal or was he using it to kind of advance like his career in turning point USA which is maybe possible. >> Um, but basically they were claiming that he inflated fundraising was misusing funds. The word embezzlement was put out by the the witness that I talked to. Um, and then the again the reason this is important is because this is setting up this like pattern of behavior and this like corruption that follows this guy. So Tyler Boyer, he was one of the earliest employees of Turning Point. Um, and then he's he's he's kind of woven throughout the entire history of Turning Point USA. So, um, TurningPoint USA was moved from Chicago to Arizona, um, because Tyler Ber allegedly convinced Charlie Kirk to do that. >> Um, he, uh, Tyler Boyer has a lot of close political ties here in Arizona, uh, including in Mesa. Um, and then he is currently the CEO. There's there's a 501c3 which is a nonprofit uh Turningpoint USA but then they have a political arm which is a 501c4 >> Tyler Ber is the CEO now of Turning Point Action which is the 501c4 political arm. This is the one that says oh we got a ballot chase you know we're going out and we're um you know targeting low propensity voters and we're door knocking and we're registering voters. That's what that function does. Um, but if you look at their their funding history, the 501c3 was frequently making large donations to the 501c4 wi-i >> which is illegal, right? >> That's against it's not illegal, but it's against the IRS tax laws. So, in order to be a taxexempt 501c3, you have to state what your mission is, and you cannot endorse a candidate. you cannot uh spend a lot of time uh like a a proportionate amount of time or money on you know certain initiatives or political initiatives or political groups and here they're they're sending this is like millions of dollars that they're donating directly from their 501c3 to their 501c4 of which Tyler Boyer at the time he was the chief operating officer and Charlie Kirk was the CEO but now Tyler Ber's the CEO the CEO um and then Tyler Ber also they created another company called Superfeed Technologies Incorporated. And Superfeed Technologies Incorporated is like an app company. Uh, and they they make the Turning Point app. They make a bunch of apps. They make Scott Presler's Early Vote Action app. Um, there was another interview I did where I talked about, you know, all the different apps that they make. So, Tyler Boyer's the CEO of that company. This is a for-profit like separate entity uh that >> Isn't that a conflict of interest, though? If if they're creating apps for politicians, h how is that not >> Well, let's think about it for a second. Why would they want to do that? Why why would you do that? What is your business model? Are you selling data? Are you selling access to politicians to run fundraising campaigns? Are you selling that geo fencing data? Uh, which Andrew Kova admitted at Charlie at Charlie Kirk's uh Charlie Kirk's memorial service in Arizona. You know, our partners, he he said geoargeted, but it's basically the same thing. Our our partners told us through geoargeting that we had 277,000 people here at this event. Well, who who are your partners? Is it Super Feed Technologies? And did they buy as a private company? can do, you know, all that geoloccation data, your app usage, all that stuff. Because then if you buy all that, you can create a profile about people that enter certain physical areas and also where they go outside of that, who they associate with, all that information. Um, so I'm just kind of laying out Tyler Boyer's heavily involved in, you know, Super Feet Technologies, Turning Point Action, you know, he he he was heavily involved in TurningPoint USA. Um, if you look at their filings, Turning Point, uh, Faith, and they've got a bunch of shell companies. They've got like 20 or 30, you know, nonprofits, 51c3, C4 packs in every state, international companies, um, all over the place. And there's been allegations that what they're doing is kind of what uh this this may be dating myself, but Enron was a company that had they they had a bunch of shell companies and then they would hide their their losses in the shell companies and then you know there's a huge stock market crash um because they basically were exposed um basically you know financial corruption and hiding money and moving around and all that stuff. Um so there have been allegations that in a way Turning Point USA is doing similar things. They're violating the IRS rules. They're they have all these shell companies. They're moving funds around. Some of those funds, there's financial records in Wisconsin where $120,000 or more was used as direct donations to the political parties there, the state and the county political parties because they were running at Turning Point USA off an employee or ally. And then they took over those boards because they actually have a pro a program uh called the Mount Vernon program which is is again on the uh Turning Point USA site. And it says they want to take over the GOP. They want to take over precincts. They want take over state committeemen, take over state chairmanships so that they basically are in control of the GOP. And that appears to be what they're doing with some of these alleged bribes. Uh, and so, so now we're really getting into this this web of companies and financial interaction. Um, and so maybe this is a good point. Do you want to show that memo that Charlie Kirk sent on the 10th? Yes. Or sorry, the second. So this is on September 2nd. This is eight days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. and what what he's saying in this internal memo uh which I think Candace Owens originally released this through her contacts but this has been verified right um Andrew Kovit said uh yes this is real because Candace got it from me basically an admission that he sent it to her this is real um and what it does is it talks out it calls out appointing a new chief operating officer Justin Strife and this says in quotes to engage in an organizational wide Doge effort, becoming more efficient, becoming more cost-effective, uh, unifying companywide metrics and goals, and reshaping the culture. Um, so this is something that, you know, Charlie, this is basically his last wishes, his last direction as CEO. Uh, he's making a he's making an appointment and he's saying this is what needs to be done. This is an audit, a financial audit because uh according to many insiders and even Candace Owens and other people inside of Turning Point USA, they said Charlie had questions about where the funds were going, where the funds were coming from. Um some people said, "Was there any embezzlement happening?" Uh and then if you want to show maybe those those other screenshots from Tyler Boyer now, >> the the tweets. >> Yeah, the tweets from Tyler Boyer. So, um, a lot of people started asking questions about this and, uh, this person, uh, Thinker on November 4th, so this is just yesterday, said, uh, shut up and do the audit. And what does Tyler do, Tyler Boyer do? He he always responds this way, by the way. He always gaslights people. Um, and by gaslighting, I mean that he uh he he doesn't answer the question. He kind of invalidates the question. He says, "Oh, that's a stupid question. You're an idiot for asking that." Blah, blah, blah. Um, so, so they they're asking about the audit. So, he says, "We audit every year before the end of summer. Please consider listening to real sources for info." So, he he's he's saying that like, "Where have you got that information from? It's not a real source." Well, guess what? That real source is Charlie Kirk's internal memo that Charlie Kirk wrote. So, that's a real source. I don't know what you're talking about there, Tyler Boyer. But, um, also this we audit every year before the end of summer. That's not what this is. This is a Doge style audit. So Doge just came about uh you know very recently like less than a year. So how can you do a Doge style audit every year if it just came into existence? You can't. Uh and he's talking about a culture change uh unifying companywide metrics and goals. That's none of that. What what Tyler Boyer's talking about is, you know, allegedly uh they have a a company who's an accounting firm who is who is an ally. It's like a friends of their, you know, company and former employees. Um and they do a friendly kind of audit like, oh yeah, everything's good. Nothing to see here. No, no, this is like a serious audit. Doge brought in internal external third-party experts. So that's what Charlie Kirk's talking about. He wants to see a real third-party audit. So, it's it's just very strange. And if you want to go to the next one, I think he talks about Okay, so um this Grow Up America, and this was back on October 7th. So, Charlie Kirks, sorry, I'm sorry, Tyler Boyer has been kind of downplaying this audit for a while, for like a month basically. Grow up America says, "Why was Charlie uh about about to audit the finances and will it still be audited? Were you on were you the one in charge of making the turning point app? Do you know it's tracked the data of all the users and the terms of service gives them you the right to sell said user data to anyone you so choose. So that that that perfectly ties in what we were talking about before. So Tyler Ber again says we audit our finances every year. They were audited at the end of the fiscal year in July. Then he then he admits yes I created the app. It's interesting. He says, "I created." He says, "I created the app and donated all of the time, energy, wireframes freely to help the movement. We don't track anyone outside of chasing votes." So, so he says, "We don't track anyone outside of chasing votes." So, they do track people. They do. If they're chasing votes, then they're tracking him. That's what he says. Um, and we don't sell data to anyone. Okay. He says he says we don't sell data to anyone. I don't know if that's true because he's you saw in the in the vote of no confidence that he was called as being duplicitous and untruthful in all communications. So I don't know you can believe what he's saying but let's just say you can for a second. We don't sell data to anyone. We don't sell data to anyone. We he was saying I. Now he's saying we. So maybe someone is selling the data but it's not I or we. I mean you just have to look at what he's saying a little bit. Um, and they have third parties. It says they have thirdparty data sharing agreements. So, they could just share that data to a third party and then that third party could sell it. That's not I or we. I'm just saying you should look at what Tyler is saying. And then he says there's no scheming. No scheming. Nonprofits have a 990 where everything is outfront. Okay, that's not true because they hide their donor list. Turning Point USA absolutely hides their list of donors. They do not release the names. It's private. So everything's not out front. So that's a lie. Um, no one owns anything and our salaries are transparent. If you'd like a quick course on nonprofits, here's a good start. So then he starts to gaslight him. He's like, "Oh, you're stupid for asking this question. You don't know anything about nonprofits." Uh, I mean, nonprofits are so corrupt. If you look at like uh one of the things the Doge audits did, they looked at uh US aid funds USAD and all those all that money went into nonprofits, non-government organizations who brought in all these illegals into our country from other countries, nonprofits, NOS's. So to say I don't know, it's just ridiculous. Um it's just ridiculous some of this. Oh yeah, and here's another one. Um Mon'nique says October 6 was the day before Um, let's see. I'll skip the the Let's see. You did accuse Candace of lying about Charlie wanting a new Doge uh department because he was not comfortable with where the money was coming from or going, which was actually true. And Tyler Boyer again, he's going to be gaslighting. He says, "I think I have a little better insight on the topic." It's like, you you know, you you're an idiot. I I know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, it's not true. There's absolutely zero evidence to suggest financial impropriety. Zero evidence to suggest financial propriety as was accused. Again, an annual audit exists. That's what no one's talking about your regular annual audit that you have your inside employees, you know, friends accounting company do. Uh, and that our fiscal year ends. Becoming creative to find ways to make things more efficient during fall is what we've always done every year. I have known Charlie. Uh, and then he and then he starts the gaslight. This is a horribly bad take. And the gross suggestion that his murder is somehow related to a false claim of financial problems is sick and twisted. So, how dare you even ask that question is what he's saying. >> Mine is absolutely blown. and and Tala Boyer is one of those names unless you're following Turning Point USA closely or maybe you're you're located in Arizona. It's just not a name you you were I don't think most people were familiar with prior to everything happening. As a matter of fact, I don't believe a lot of these people were um Rob McCoy, Mikey McCoy, a lot of people just didn't know about it. Um, when I when I see him responding to people on Twitter, it the first thing that comes to mind for me is I'm I'm wondering and I'm curious how they're like because they're very selective on what they choose to respond to and what they choose not to respond to. So, for example, Andrew Kovit, I'm pretty sure he's seeing all of the questions that people have about so many different things about Turning Point USA and the odd behavior coming from them, but he chooses to retweet these teachers who who are wearing these t-shirts um that apparently they they wore a year before um that had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. And I wish I had the image here to show people. And it turns out that he was actually wrong about this >> and he would later come out and apologize. I could send you that image I've got real quick. Do you want me to put it in uh >> Twitter? Sean, >> what's that? >> Twitter. You can share it on Twitter. >> Okay. All right. Let me do that. Yeah, I've got the image. But um a note about that is um Kovette, he deleted that tweet. He's deleted it. And the reason that he deleted it is because he got a community note on that tweet saying that this was this was basically false. Um, you know, Kovette posted that. Uh, the the costume had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination. Just you you can just look at it and know it absolutely didn't. It existed before uh it was on Amazon. It just looks totally different. Um, and the teachers they I just sent you that uh a tweet that has the image with their faces blocked out. Um, but it had uh you know these teachers basically they they they apologized. is the school apologist said, you know, we're sorry. We won't wear their shirts again. They didn't have anything to do with Charlie Kirk, but you know, we're sorry about this. But they they said teachers are being doxed. I saw many posts. They posted their phone numbers, their addresses, their emails, their names, and the teachers were being threatened. So, so Kovet and Turning Point, they posted this total lie. uh it made it all the way around the internet and these teachers were being doxed and uh threatened and and again Jake Hoffman Jake Hoffman tweeted that also. Uh and then he had to walk it back. He and Kovette walked it back and they said, "Oh, you know, I guess it wasn't what we thought it was, but it's still bad. These teachers should still be fired." So even though it was a lie, they admitted it. And now Kov has since deleted that tweet because he got community noted. Um they're still harassing these teachers. the teachers should sue them in Turning Point for like $50 million. I mean, it's >> Yeah, because he he goes he he he he goes um well, it turns out that apparently they wore this a year before. Um but I I still don't understand the outfit because it's so gruesome. I never understood that. And even and and furthermore, um what did he say? He said, "Considering the fact that everyone knows what happened to Charlie, I don't know why you would even think to do this because people could take the wrong idea from this." Like who are you to tell them what they should and should not wear that they've worn before? It's just interesting to me that they're what he's choosing to respond to. Like so for example, I saw um yesterday officer Tatum um shows up onto the uh he he show he shows up to the to to the Charlie he makes an appearance on the Charlie Kirk show and there the name of the video is essentially them debunking uh conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk and essentially the conspiracy theor or what they're calling conspiracy theories is simply asking logical questions, sensible questions. Things do not make sense. People want answers. Including donors want answers. And and and you know, Officer Tatum shows up to add to Andrew Kovit and the rest of the team's gaslighting of the public in a way in in a collective way to say, um, the questions that you all have make absolutely no sense. The FBI story makes absolute sense, but but they're ignoring things like a 306 supposedly uh Charlie Kirk's neck. Stop that. It just makes no sense. >> Yeah, I agree. And and I posted a video done by another user. I can't remember his name right now, but he had done like an extensive uh 306 recreation video. >> Okay. Well, let's talk about this real quick. So, so this guy Ryan Shed, he's claiming that not only did the school have to hire additional security because people like threatened these teachers that um he's claiming up to eight of the teachers said they they can't deal with this, they're going to retire. So, you know, some of these teachers were were probably good people. Some of them might have been Republicans even. They had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk, but because of this, they were docks threatened. They're just like, "We're out. Like, we're going to retire. We can't deal with this." Um, so you know, raising taxpayer cost. Uh, now they got to go through the hiring process. Um, you know, the school's going to incur a lot of cost for that. Eight teachers. I mean, this is their math department, by the way. So, these are all the math teachers. So, now, do you have a math department? Can you teach math to the children anymore? Because all eight of the math teachers retired because of this. I mean, it's it's insane. >> That's that's crazy, man. That's that's absolute crazy. Um earlier you you were explaining sort of the the the first things that that that you noticed. I'm curious um spec I'm really curious because you're stationed in Arizonas and and you you have closer ties to Turning Point USA than most of us. I'm curious what your thoughts have been about Turning Point USA affiliates who, like I was just speaking about just moments ago, who just believe everything that's been given, like the the official narrative that's been given and and they're not questioning anything. >> Yeah, that's it. It's interesting because that's that's directly against um Charlie Kirk's, you know, last messages and his video. he was all about questioning things. Um, you know, open discourse. Um, so it's very bizarre to see, you know, the Turning Point USA employees and then their fans almost a cult-like following where they want to shut down any criticism whatsoever. If you have any criticism of Turning Point USA, we're going to gaslight you. We're going to shut you down. I mean, when when Charlie was out there in front of the students and they were asking him questions, uh, I mean, by and large, he answered their questions. I mean, he at least responded to what they were asking and addressed it. Um, but he didn't say like, "Ah, you're just idiot for asking that, you know, how dare you. Get out of here. I'm not even going to dignify that with a response." That wasn't Charlie Kirk. That's not the organization that he built. But that's what we're seeing. Um, and and you know what a lot of it is? It's it's this propaganda that's been pushed out through their network of influencers. Um, and it's basically this hope that Turning Point USA will save the day. They're our white knight. You know, they'll save the day. They'll go out there and ballot chase and they'll target low propensity. Just send them money and they'll take care of it. Well, guess what? That didn't work out so so well in in uh New Jersey in this governor's election. I mean, uh, I I did a couple posts. Turning Point was on the ground. They were all over New Jersey along with Scott Presser shooting videos, registering voters, ballot chasing. >> Are you talking about the Quuomo and uh the Mandi or whatever? >> Say that's that's New York. I'm talking about New Jersey. I think I sent you a graphic and it showed the result of that election. So, it has the candidates that ran there. >> The numbers. Are you talking about the Oh, this here. >> Yeah, that's one. Okay. So it was Jack uh Seedelli I guess is his name versus Mickey Cheryl was the Democrat. So there's all these posts and you know Jack Posabic is out there. I mean they were holding rallies. Scott Presler's there. There are rallies. There was one Scott Per like oh we're door knocking in the rain. Oh it's raining and you know he's in the garage and he's like a donor just contacted me and they're sponsoring 25 door knockers. You know send money. They're texting people for money. They were on the ground big time and it doesn't work. Their techniques don't work at all. It's it huge loss over 400,000 votes, you know, 13% margin of victory for the Democrats. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. And there's many other races where it didn't work. It didn't work in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where there was a historic loss. A Republican had held that seat for like a hundred years. You know, Scott Pruster was in there. Oh, yeah. We're gonna we're going to do this. we're going to and a historic loss for Republicans because what happened was they registered a bunch of low propensity uh Republican voters. Those are like uninformed Republican voters say, "Oh, we're going to register you." And they encourage mail in voting, early voting, mailin voting. But what did the data show? The data showed that a large portion of those Republican mail-in ballots, they were cast for the Democrat. The they went they voted for the Democrat or at least their ballots did. Um, so if if Presler hadn't been there in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and Turning Point action also registering those low propensity voters, they wouldn't have voted those votes wouldn't have gone to majority to the Democrat and the Republican would have won just like they did last hundred years in a row. Uh, it's it's just I mean it's just nonsense what what they claim works and what is actually true. And and people might say like why did that happen? like why would a Republican maybe they don't know what's going on but why would they vote for the Democrat? Um well that happened in the Federman race against Dr. Oz what they did what the Democrats did when you register someone to vote there's that's obtainable that list you okay here's everyone that's been registered you know in this county whatever in the last you know six months here they are what the Democrats did is they sent targeted mailers to those low propensity Republican voters saying Dr. Oz kills puppies. I'm not making it up. This is an actual flyer. That's what they said. Dr. Oz kills puppies. And so the Republicans, they were like, "Oh man, I I don't want to vote for the Democrat, but I don't like people that kill puppies. I'm going to vote for Federman." And they did. And he won. Um, you know, there probably was a lot of fraud there, too. But Turning Point USA doesn't like to talk about the fraud. La, you know, there's no fraud. There's no ballot drops. You know, there's no illegals voting. We don't want to talk about any of that. We just want to get out there and, you know, send us $10 million and we'll ballot chase and door knockock and register voters and we're going to save the day and don't question us and it definitely works. Except for it doesn't. You see it right here. Uh New Jersey governor's race just a crushing loss. Wisconsin they had losses in this in the yesterday uh presser in Pennsylvania. He was like, "Oh, vote no to retain these three, you know, judges or justices in Pennsylvania." And they they all won. They all they all won. Republicans lost that whole that whole effort. So I don't know what what Presser is doing. It's the it has the opposite re uh >> it's not working. >> It's not working. If if Presser and TPUSA are there, the Democrats win. Now, [laughter] is that because of the low propensity voters and then they get targeted and they vote for Democrats? Maybe. Is it because they're distracting everyone from like, hey, we need to stop mail-in ballot voting? We need to stop, you know, using the machines. We need to like audit some of these, look at the fraud. More likely, yes. Um, I don't know. But what's what's certain is they're getting very rich. They're raking in more money than ever. Uh, TPUSA and their various companies. They brought in well over hund00 million uh in in 2024. So I I I don't even know what kind of money they brought in now off I mean they they were begging for money. >> But that's most of that is donations if not all of it. Right. >> Well it's where's those donations come from because um a lot of it comes uh not directly from US aid but like one NGO away. So US A will will will put like 100 million or 100,000 to an NGO and then that NGO will turn around and donate directly to TurningPoint USA. So I mean yeah. Okay, fine. Turning Point USA didn't directly get that >> $400,000. >> It's one It's one donation. It's one move away from coming directly from them. >> That's right. And then if you remember, there was a lot of discussion about Charlie. He was talking to, you know, Net and Yahoo and Israel and their government. There's all this discussion about donations and this and that, uh, Apac, different things. So I I think there's significant evidence and other insiders have said that in the past TPUSA was taking donations from foreign either foreign countries directly or foreign aligned interests and you you have to question that. That's why Charlie wanted the audit. He's like where's this money coming from? How's it being used? You know, are we actually there's been allegations from uh internal Turning Point employees and ex employees saying what they're telling donors is a lie. They're inflating their doornocking numbers. They're manipulating the data. Um there's people that said they knocked a hundred doors, but they sat in the office all day. Uh I mean there there's allegations that they're straight lying to donors. It's it's all a grift. It's all to bring in more money. And you can see the results. I mean in New Jersey, a terrible loss. I mean, they're not delivering results. They're not. They claim, oh, in 2024, you know, we delivered for Trump. No, you didn't. Trump won that. >> Trump and all his voters. People were sick of the economy, you know, the prices. They did, they needed to change. The Biden corruption was just too much. Turning Point USA didn't win that. Scott Presser didn't win that. No, it was Trump and, you know, everything that was promised in those campaigns and people were just sick of what was had been going on. So, they claimed victory for that. Oh, that was us. We won. But then every single time after that basically where Trump wasn't on the ballot, they've lost. There's there's a list of all these races. >> A long track record of losing. Yep. >> Um then they have winning which which probably leads into the fact that they probably play very minimum of a role in Donald Trump getting back into office. I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Devil's advocate here um advocate here and I'm going to say I find it very difficult to believe Brian that Charlie Kirk was 31 years old uh as of October 10th and I'm sorry September 10th and he was a brilliant person regard I I disagree with Charlie Kirk on multiple things. I agree with Charlie Kirk on multiple things. As I the more and more I listen to people, I find that that's most people's position when it comes to really all humans, but especially Charlie Kirk. >> I find it difficult to believe, however, that this man started this company, I believe in 2012 um with the he started with a 72 year old Bill Montgomery, >> which is very odd in itself. when this man heard Charlie Kirk speaking at a college and he convinced him not to go to college and to start Turnipoint USA in a garage somewhere. The story sounds great and within two years he was two or three years he was um on a campaign run with Donald Trump Jr. I've heard the story. I've covered the story. I find it difficult to believe that Charlie Kirk had no clue where some of his money were. Sure, you may not know where all of it is coming from, but I find it difficult to believe that Charlie Kirk didn't know where a great deal of it was coming from. >> Yeah, that's a good point. And there's other people that have brought that up as well. And and if you recall, you know, in the past, I've been critical of Charlie Kirk as well, so I'm I'm aware of that. Um there's been some theories about that. And what well definitely one of them is that you know towards the end of his life Charlie Kirk was really waking up and trying to do the right thing and that's why they had him that's why he was killed by evil. Um but uh you know aside from that there's people that have alleged that Charlie knew about Tyler Ber and he knew about some of that corruption and he he would have wanted to get rid of Tyler but for some reason he couldn't for some reason. So, >> like what does that mean? I'm I'm going to tell you what I think it means, Brian, and you let me know. You can agree, disagree, or no comment, whatever. I'm going to tell you what Demetrius is thinking, what DD is thinking. When I hear something like that, what I think, and this may be a um pretty far out there for you, I believe essentially this goes back to the idea that in my opinion, I'm not speaking for Brian, I'm speaking for Dee, that Charlie Kirk was a creation in the sense of Charlie Kirk was propped up to be able to push a narrative and he just so happened to be really good, very well spoken, very articulate, and became better and better over the years. and he was pushed and funded to travel the country to drill in these certain ide um logical um or these political ideologies, these religious ide um ideologies regardless if he believed them or not. He just so happened to believe them. My position is that I do believe that Charlie Kirk happened to believe these things, but I think his funders had an agenda. So when you have people around him like Josh Hammer and Josh Hammer is saying things like Charlie was coming to me for talking points. Bro, Charlie Kirk is a much better debater than you. Why was he coming to you for anything? Why are you here? Like where did you come from? >> Like where are these people coming from? Why is Charlie Kirk from my opinion and and I really started to believe this from the Dave Smith Josh Hammer debate where in my opinion Josh I mean I believe that Dave Smith wiped the floor with them. It wasn't even close. It was a dis a complete dismantling and I believe that Charlie Kirk hosted Dave Smith to do just that. I believe he was using other people to speak to what he had eventually come around to see. But what I'm eventually getting at here is that when I after I watched that debate, I said, "Why does Charlie Kirk have people like that around him?" What if Charlie Kirk had no no decision? He had no choice because those that he answered to placed these people, one may even use the word handlers, placed these people around Charlie Kirk and he had to and and this is just what came with who Charlie Kirk was. >> Yeah, that that's a that's a really great insight and I I think that a lot of people are asking that same question. Um, I mean it's tough it's tough to say because I asked this publicly uh to a couple people online. It's like if if if Kirk at least suspected or knew some things about Tyler Ber and he been with him so long he was the CEO of the company. He had to have known something. If he couldn't get rid rid of him, why was it? Did Tyler Ber have some leverage over Charlie Kirk? Was he somehow extorting Charlie Kirk or was he like an asset or a handler for Charlie Kirk? I mean, there's people that said basically Tyler Berer built a lot of the business. He uh in and Candace Owens has said this. He's brought in a lot of people into the company. >> Yeah. He brought in Kovette. He brought in that cameraman guy. Just like a ton of them. Um a lot of them are connected Tyler through the LDS church. Char Tyler Boyer is LDS Mormon. He did his mission in Russia. uh potentially Ukraine also, which is where the Super Feed app is allegedly developed is in Ukraine. Um maybe that's why the company was moved there because Tyler Boyer had a lot of influence in the LDS Mormon uh community right before Charlie Kirk was was assassinated. There is a clip of Charlie Kirk mentioning to the student because it's of course um you know a lot of the students that were there were were LDS or Mormon. He was mentioning how much of his staff is LDS and Mormon. Um, so it's it's kind of strange that that's one of the last things he said before he was assassinated. I've got a clip on that. Uh, I can send it to you. >> Yeah. You talking about at Utah because they were like a student walked up and said that he believes that Mormonism is is superior to other forms of Christian faith. One would argue that Mormonism isn't Christian, but um and and Charlie to my surprise because up until that point, I had never heard him speak on uh anything Mormonism. Um just myself personally. So his response actually shocked me when he was like um he has some, you know, ideological differences. Um but however, overall, he loves Mormons and he likes he wants them to have more kids or something to that effect. And I'm like, you're a follower of Christ saying that you okay, whatever. That was weird. But now hearing this from you, it makes more sense. >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's the same way when people talk about his connection to, you know, Netanyahu's uh government and country. Um I I mean, there's there's some clear conflicts there, but obviously there was some of the donor money. So, there's people that have alleged, okay, if the reason that Ber convinced Kirk to bring his company to Arizona was because he had some uh in the LDS church and the LDS church in Arizona is is heavily involved in politics. I mean, a lot of the the senators, a lot of the state representatives. Uh Andy Biggs, who's running for governor right now, is LDS. Um Warren Peterson who's currently the Senate uh president and is also running for the attorney general is is LDS. Um there's another uh what's his name? Mark Lamb is LDS. He's running. So um they're heavily heavily involved in politics. So and and I think it's important to call out the LDS church does not approve of Tyler Ber's actions. um you know, a lot of these allegations, um there's there's allegations and evidence that Tyler Boyer covered up sexual assault uh within uh Turning Point Action and there's a police report and everything that's all on my website. So, obviously the LDS church doesn't approve that. And I've had Mormon's LDS uh members speak to me and say, um, we don't agree with Tyler Boyer at all. Um he should be excommunicated. Uh they don't agree with it all. There's almost a falling out happening. So, I I would encourage the Arizona LEDs church to actually issue a statement uh condemning uh any of these allegations, particularly if proven true against Tyler Ber and some of his actions, particularly about cover up of sexual assault, which has been well documented um and and corroborated. So, I mean, it's just you you have to look at this thing. Nothing against the LDS church, but maybe that's why the company was brought here. It was built with that money. That's why Tyler Boyer had so much influence. Then they started pursuing other funding including from other countries. Uh and then that's why you know like to your point Charlie Kirk you know he had he had to say certain things to appease the donors whoever his mega donors were but then at the end he said you know okay that's enough of this you know we have enough other funding. We want to be truthful and do the right thing. I'm not going to be I mean he said it himself in these tweets. I'm not going to be bullied by these donors anymore. >> And it's I'm I'm I'm glad that you have common sense. And by common sense, I mean you're able to see something, you're able to read it, and you're able to remember that you saw it and that you you read it. Because when I look at people like Officer Tatum, Turnerpoint USA, they're pretending that they'll acknowledge, okay, the the the text message thread that Candace put out, sure, it's it's it's true because I sent it to someone in government and I guess it made it round back to Candace. But then after that, crickets, it's like, no, this was his position. That's kind of important because all of this stuff is happening around the same time including the fact that just a within I believe in July they were scheduled to go to um the the the Utah campus in September within a month that's unheard of and Candace has confirmed that multiple times that that's unprecedented. In fact, today she said normally the way it works is normally like six, seven months in advance so that they can prepare these things because Charlie did so much traveling. In this particular case, mid July, they scheduled for him to go to the Utah campus, which just so happened to be a week after the Dave Smith Josh Hammer debate. all of it was coming to a head and it's very obvious and at the very least you you should question this if you cared about Charlie but it seems that people aren't doing that. Yeah, that that's a good point. And when you mentioned about the travel, a lot of people haven't talked about this really, but um Charlie Kirk about two weeks before he was assassinated, he was in Japan and actually North Korea, like the communist one. >> He he took I saw some video that uh Mikey McCoy had filmed. Mikey McCoy was, you know, saying how how he got to go on this trip of a lifetime with Charlie Kirk to North Korea. They went to Japan and North Korea, not South Korea, which is like the, you know, the capitalist one, the communist one, North Korea. And, uh, I it was just strange. People were talking to it's, you know, that's a whirlwind trip and then to come back here to the campus, um, it was just a little bit odd, I guess. But, but what was really odd was what Mikey McCoy was saying, and Candace talked about it, too. She talked about, you know, as his produ as his um, you know, chief of staff, he had to he had to mic him up and he had to have a camera, >> right? Which is which has never been done before. It's extremely unusual. The fact that Mikey was recording Charlie and his wife walking with her kids and she's like, normally when you take these family trips, there's always one person that's left out because you have to be the one holding the camera. But in this particular case, for some reason, Mikey McCoy was the person to go and he had to, you know, talk about this all over the internet. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I don't know, it's just uh again some of those videos that I I think we were going to talk about that some of those videos that I posted before where they simulated a 306 uh uh rifle in the sim, you know, similar calib similar caliber similar rifle in multiple situations. So they they literally had like a pig carcass. They had like a gel infused skull with an artificial, you know, spinal cord, you know, from multiple angles. Um, they showed, you know, actual footage of a deer hunt that was shot with a 30 six. And I mean, the the exit wound and the impact is just it's just horrific. There's absolutely no way in my mind that Charlie Kirk was um killed with a 306 bullet. I mean, the video of the blood coming out of his neck, which I saw almost live, like firsthand, there's no way. I mean, his neck would have exploded uh from a 30 odd six. And this this these different theories of, you know, oh, the bullet, you know, it hit his spine and traveled down and it broke into fragments and all that stuff. I mean, it's all really really implausible, very unlikely. I I don't know why they picked the 30 six round. The FBI could have said, >> right, any other round that maybe made some more sense. I don't know. >> It's like it's almost like they did that on purpose. And see, but this is actually a great transition. Brian, I I want you in the audience to take a listen to something that Candace shared today on her show um right before this live started and I want you all to tell me um what you think about this. >> Couple of updates on the Charlie Kirk story and something that is really bothering me in the back of my mind. Actually, a lot of things are bothering me, but here are two more things that are bothering me. Charlie was never rendered any first aid immediately. I know the security team. I know that one of them is supposed to administer first aid immediately. We don't see that happening. I've seen everything from different angles when he's down on the ground. They don't put any gauze on him. They don't put their They don't even put a hand where the wound is to try to stop the bleeding. In fact, when they pick him up, he is flopping all the way to the car. his neck is not even being um held in a manner like they're trying to to to stop the wound from opening up. And something that really struck me as what is going on is the fact that he was n