Heat. Heat. N. [Music] [Music] [Music] Happy Friday everybody. Happy Friday. You know the routine. Hit the like button on your way in if you don't mind. Hit the like button on your way in. I'm really excited about this, man. I'm I'm really excited about today. I'm going to be interviewing someone today. I've never spoken to this individual um in person on um on camera before. This will be our first time interacting. We've only spoken uh through the DMs before. So, this is going to be very exciting. We mostly align. So, we're going to pick this person's brain a little bit and then later in the interview, um we're going to talk a little bit about Candace and uh Charlie Kirk and speak a little bit about um our opinions around everything that happened and the way Candace Owens has been uh approaching this situation and it's going to be respectful and it's going to be exciting, you know, and I'm not seeing him on camera at the very moment. Um, so I'mma wait for him to join and then I'll add him to the screen and we can go ahead and get this interview started. Hit the like button on your way in if you don't mind. Everybody, hit the like button on your way in. There he is. Here I'm go ahead and add him to the screen. Mr. I I want to make sure that I get this right. Is it Pastor John Aman Chuku? >> Yes, sir. It's Aman Chuku. So, just feel free uh DD man to call me John. >> John. >> All right. You can you can call me John, brother. It's a wonderful uh thing that we're on today for the first time. Um I count it an honor. >> Yeah. Likewise, brother. Absolutely. Um I appreciate you telling me that, but just out of respect, I'm going to put the pastor labor on it. Um, you are a pastor, not just because you call yourself a pastor, but you unapologetically speak the word of God in a time when we're told to be inclusive and to be um, you know, soft and to ignore many scriptures in in the Bible and and you you've chosen not to do that. And so for that, I really appreciate it. U, Pastor John, what we're going to do today, we're going to talk a little bit like what I was telling you through uh, Twitter or X. We're going to talk a little bit about um your story, where you're from, um obviously the way in which you came to many of our attention, uh your video that went viral, how we got to how you got what led up to that point. Um I have those I have two of those video clips queued up so we can play those whenever we get to that part of the conversation. And then we're going to have a conversation about uh the the the the unfortunate situation that happened with Charlie Kurt, but also uh Candace Owens, which I think will probably be the first and only time in this interview as far as the topics that we'll cover uh where I think we're going to find some disagreement. And again, it'll be respectful for sure. Uh, but many people who typically fall on the other side of this conversation from um from where I do tend to not want to come on camera and have a conversation with me about it. And that's very interesting to me. And and you you you've never struck me as that type. We we had spoken months ago about trying to get onto camera to do an interview together. And it took me a long time to respond. Things has happened. I've I've since I mean I I don't think you knew it at the time, but I've since gained almost 100,000 subscribers since that point, which is absolutely insane. Um, so I I think this is just divine timing. Uh, and once again, thank you so much for being on. Sounds good. I look forward to the conversation. And the reality is, hey man, if we agree with 90% of things, that's a that's a wonderful number, right? I'll take that every day of the week. Um, I do not expect perfect agreement with anyone. Uh, I've been married now for 17 years going on 18 years. >> Congratulations. >> Okay. And so I I know a thing or two about making sure that you're one flesh, but also acknowledging that you won't always have perfect agreement, but so as long as there's respect and reverence, man, let's have at it. >> Amen. All right, so let's go ahead and jump right into this. Um, my name is Demetrius Jordan. You can just call me Dee. you are officially on Diddy Got a podcast. Um, everyone in the comment section or at least the ones that are subscribed to this channel know to keep everything respectful. Um, hit the like button on your way in as a reminder. Um, Pastor John, if you don't mind, uh, just give us a little bit of an introduction of where you're from. I know is is your name the origin of your name African. And if so, just tell the origin of of your name, your family, where you're from, where you grew up. >> Yes, it's Nigeria and my father's from uh, Nigeria. Nigeria. He came to the US in the 70s. Uh, my last name means I know God. Um, he met my mother in Elizabeth City, North Carolina um back in back in the day. And um I'm the the fourth um child that my mother um brought into this world. And so um yeah, my my father came to the US in the 70s. Um Aman Chuku um is from the Ebo vernacular. Um, I tell you also, I have three children. I'm married. Uh, I've been married now for 17 years. Um, I've been in ministry since I was in college. Um, I gave my life to Christ at the age of 19 while playing football. And, um, I've been serving the Lord now. I'm 41, so over 20 plus years. and um just honored to serve God and to be in the kingdom for such a time as this. >> Absolutely. Now, were you born here in the States? You yourself? >> Yes, I was born in the US. >> Because your dad came here in the 70s and he was here when he Okay. Absolutely. Where are you originally from? And I'm only asking this specific question because in one of the videos I hear you mention um this area. Were you born in Baltimore? >> No, I was born um in North Carolina in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Okay. >> But I went to a schoolboard meeting in Baltimore where they called a citywide emergency on me when I showed up with uh it was myself and my security team and uh cameraman. Um they called a citywide emergency on me because I came to speak at their schoolboard meeting. Although anyone um and everyone was allowed to speak, but when I showed up because I have gained a national reputation for speaking out at schoolboard meetings, they were afraid. And you know, Baltimore is very corrupt. And so they find found a way to silence me and to keep me from speaking. So they called a citywide emergency on a on a black Christian conservative pastor. So >> So hold up. So the the the Baltimore clip which on YouTube alone Turning Point USA which we'll get to Turning Point USA shared the clip but that clip went I mean mega viral. I mean it has has 50 the video the clip I saw alone has 50 million views. You're saying prior to that clip you had already been showing up to school boards prior to that and had been making noise and a reputation for this. >> Correct. I I've traveled now to 22 states. What was the first state you went to outside of your own? Um, and what what what caused you to to to start traveling stateto state um to to speak at these school boards? >> Well, the first school board meeting that I spoke at was in Chadam, North Carolina, which is about 45 minutes from where I live in North Carolina. And then the the first one out of state was in Virginia in the Lowden County area. Um, and so I've now traveled to 22 states speaking up at schoolboard meetings. Um, I've been handcuffed. I've been kicked out of seven schoolboard meetings, oftentimes surrounded by six or seven different cops. I've been threatened by law enforcement. Um, I've been heckled down, had people make caricatures of me. I've dealt with all of the, let's say, the the racist that you see on the left, and I've dealt with some racists on the right. as well. I've dealt with um I've dealt with lying li liberals and ratchet rhinos. I like to to call it that. Um and so I I've I I've seen it all. And that's why um the work that I do on YouTube is an extension of my national campaign. I have a serious ministry. I put my life on the line every time I go out to these schoolboard meetings in the same manner that Charlie Kirk put his life on the line as he went to college campuses and to universities and to high school campuses oftentimes knowing that in some junctures he was outmanned and outnumbered and didn't have enough security staff and things of that nature but because of the press and his spirit to get the message of truth out he still would go into um arenas and so I do the same thing. It's a serious ministry. Um yes, I have a YouTube platform. Um you can find me on on my platform at john almanuku. The handle is revu truth. But this is a extension the youtubing that I do is an extension of the ministry that God has given me. And prior to going to schoolboard meetings, man, I was at a I was at an an abortion clinic every Saturday trying to fight and save babies, right? And we and our through our local church, Upper Room Church for God in Christ, we've been able to to save nearly 3,000 babies over the past um I think about 15 years. And so serious ministry is what we do. We do more than just talk on camera and have conversations and interviews and debates. We go out into the hedges and highways and compel men and women to serve the Lord Jesus Christ and to support women who were uh caught in the ditch wondering whether or not they should keep their baby or abort their baby or whether it's going to a schoolboard meeting and trying to turn the hearts in the minds of schoolboard leaders to do what's right for children. What got me involved in this is a um person who was working for Moms for Liberty reached out to me and said, "Hey, um we have a situation going on in Chattam County where they're talking about racial consciousness at that time." And then there was a um young girl that was being demonized for her Christian faith. Her teacher told her that believing in Jesus was tantamount to believing in a brick wall. And when I heard that after serving as a youth pastor for over 10 plus years, I knew that I had to go and speak up on her behalf. That was the first time I had ever spoken at a schoolboard meeting. Didn't know what to expect. But I went to the schoolboard meeting and addressed the issue at hand and several other issues. And that message went viral. I wasn't looking for a viral moment. I wasn't looking for another speaking engagement or anything like that. I'm just a warrior. I'm a fighter. I don't mind going to the battlefield apart from uh the camera. And and so um I did that and the Lord honored my faithfulness and that opportunity of me being willing to be sent to the battlefield blew up and went viral and landed me on some of the largest platforms in this country and and now I'm on DD's Got a Podcast. I mean, check it out, y'all. A and so um it it it was all God's will and all God's plan. The Lord is looking for people, men and women of all ethnicities, who are willing to stand for him and to stand for truth. And I'm called for such a time as this. Um at our church, we believe in being a causedriven church. Uh we do more than just go to church on Sunday or Thursday night for Bible study. We believe that we should engage in the marketplace. We believe that we should have a biblical worldview which is something that is foreign for most people today. >> Oftent times people have a a general working knowledge of scripture but they don't know how to apply that to their daily life. Because if I have a biblical worldview i.e. If I see the world through the lenses of the scripture, that should impact what I do, it should impact uh my decisions and my choices, my ideologies. It also should impact how I vote, you know, because we don't want to we don't want to pray one way and then vote another. I'm with you on everything you said. I think that the voting part can get tricky sometimes. I do think that it should reflect generally speaking. Um but but I'll digress if we get into that. Well, we will get into that a little bit later. Um that is a blessing. Everything you just said is a blessing. Um especially the fact that you all saved um about 3,000 babies. >> That is incredible. Um God is working. God is at work. God is alive. Um, and if you don't mind, because I'm I'm not just going to assume everyone has seen the clip. I want to play the two clips that I have in Q of you at these board meetings and showing just how powerful of a moment this was. One of these I mean both of these clips of you speaking to the board themselves, but one of them is you being um addressing the police officers. And I thought it was interesting how you point out um that you you were more received at school districts um with either white principles or um um yeah. So so I'm going to play the clips here so everyone can see them to provide some context and then we'll go from there. All right. Navarro suck any good lately? What's wrong Navarro? I think you like a big in your mouth. Haha. Page 23. >> The other boy. Page 23. >> Here it is. What's the educational benefit of talking about the What's the educational benefit of talking about that? Is that going to help someone on the SAT score? >> He'll be kind. Get a shot at that. >> She can care less. That's a sign. She needs to put down her sign every second. >> You're putting me out >> for what? >> For asking you to abi to abide by the rules. >> A board member held up a sign, but the audience couldn't hold up signs. This is tyranny and we're dealing with a corrupt government system. [Applause] >> Wow. And I'm going to play the second clip here. This is this is a this is the liberal shake and bake. This is how they move their agenda forward. You all have a city-wide emergency, right? The the citywide emergency is me. Someone comes to town with a with a different differing viewpoint and you all come up with a makeshift plan to shut him down so he can't speak. I go to white school boards and the white people who know that I'm coming, they let me speak. But the black people in my own in my own community that look like me. Y'all have a black governor, a black mayor, black officers, and the guy who has a differing viewpoint can't speak in your schoolboard meeting. You are defrauding me >> of my freedom of speech. This is the issue with why we have failing schools in Baltimore. Because no one wants to change. Let's protect the CEO of Baltimore public schools who makes $479,000 a year. The kids can't read, but she makes half a million a year. This is not right. >> And it's so interesting. One of the most powerful quotes that I had heard um a while ago was that we have um they always talk about diversity, inclusivity, but when it comes to diversity of thought, then they'll shut you down. and Christians are at the very top of that list. Um, Pastor John, do you mind providing us some context? Uh, especially to that first clip. I found it extremely ironic and hypocritical that the lady on the board says that that's inappropriate for you to read out loud yet that's literally the language in the book itself that is on display and has, you know, children have access to. Do you providing some context for us? >> Yeah. So, the first clip took place in Las Vegas, Nevada. Um, that's where that took place. Um I I went to Sin City. Like I said, we we do serious ministry. We go to some of the darkest places in the country. >> Uh to to fight against these issues. Um on that in addition on that day, law enforcement was sent to arrest me. I have a I have a images that pe people sent me of the cops coming and initially they were hiding but then they came through the side door pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe peeping in when I started to speak at the school at the um um at the lectern on that day I read from a book entitled flamer the author is Mike Curado the book is pornographic it's content that children should not read it's made available for kids ages 13 and up leading a national campaign trying to expose this because I strongly believe that we have to use more inflammatory rhetoric rhetoric when it comes to expressing how insidious this is. It's not simply indoctrination or grooming. It's mental rape. That's what we're contending with. And I call it that because it assaults the soul. It stains the brain. And it robs children of their innocence. You know, I'm a father of three children. My oldest is 16, my youngest is eight. I had two boys and a girl. I I could only imagine what would happen and what I would do if I went to a school system and that book was made available for my child or a trans person had access to a classroom and could read that in in in in the me in the in the spirit of drag queen story time. I could only imagine how I would respond. I would probably turn green. And that's hard for me to do as black as I am. You know, I I I when I see these things take place nationally, Dee, first and foremost, after traveling to 22 states, there are three takeaways that I have. Three takeaways that I have. Number one, uh, perverts are perverting the hearts and the minds of our children. >> If you think it's necessary to put pornography in in front of a child, you are perverted. Full stop. I don't care who you are. I don't care what political party you represent. I've contended with people on the left and the right who disagreed with my style, who disagreed with what I'm doing. I don't care. This is not a elephant or donkey movement. This is a kingdom movement. I want to point people towards our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That means that I'm going to have to mix it up with Democrats and Republicans. So be it. All right. The second thing is um parents are unaware. You know, if you send your child off to Babylon, don't be surprised if they come back as Babylonians. If if if you send your child off to these cor corrupt school systems that hate the God of the Bible, don't be surprised when they come back questioning their Christian faith. You know, Proverbs 22:6 says, "Train up a child in the way that he should go, and when he's old, he will not depart." But parents have the responsibility of setting their child off on the right path and catechizing them. I can't teach John Patrick and John Jr. and Pamelan my children about the God of the Bible. Teach them um about the Old Testament, the New Testament to fall in love with Jesus. But then I send them to a secular system that's anti-God that in the 1960s, 1962 to be exact, removed school sponsored prayer from the school system then and has sought to remove the Ten Commandments and you can't you can't teachers can't even lead a prayer at school and things of that nature. I'm sending my child off to a demonic and damned school system. And so parents have to get involved and engaged on what's really going on. And number three, pastors have failed to do their job. >> Much of what we see taking place today in society can be laid at the feet of shepherds and the Christian church. If more men would speak up about boys going into girls locker rooms and bo boys competing in female sports. I mean, what's up with the dads? You look at the situation that took place with with Riley Gaines, >> right? I couldn't sit in the bleacher and watch my daughter Pamelan have to compete against the man in a swimming um match. Now, there's a running joke that black people can't swim. I It's partly true. Okay, I I I'm not the best swimmer myself, but if I saw a so-called Leah Thomas getting the swimming pool with a bulge beneath his his navl, I'm getting in that swimming pool, too. And he's going to know that not only was there one man in the swimming pool, there was two. But we have fathers who go to these sporting matches, they sit >> and they say nothing. >> And they say nothing. They sit in the bleachers. They eat their popcorn. Um, they eat their Twizzlers. They eat their Mike and I. They eat their Reese's Pieces and all that stuff. And they drink it down with the Diet Coke. And they witness and watch their children be defraed. I lay that at the feet of masculinity in our country. Men have failed to do their job. But also pastors, you know, 36% of senior pastors have a biblical worldview. 13% of teaching pastors have a biblical worldview. And only 12% of youth pastors have a biblical worldview. What does this mean? We have men teaching from this book right here that don't believe this book in totality. And so they're trying to get people to heaven to a location where they disagree with the first part of the trinity. Trinity and the second part of the trinity, the father and the son. They disagree with God, but they want to make Christians out of people. And so it's imperative that our biblical worldview shines through. I'm doing what I'm doing because I recognize that the days are drawing near. >> The Lord is soon to return. Now, I don't know. No man knows the day nor the hour that the Lord shall return. I believe it's sooner than soon, and it's quicker than quick. All right? I know that I need to be ready and I I don't want him to return and to find me idle, >> empty, doing nothing, focusing on merchandising and growing my name and building my platform and doing what's best for my interest. No, I I want to be found contending for the faith. M >> you know I I have battle scars from fighting for the Lord. I know what it's like to be targeted. I know what it's like to have people try to sabotage your work. I know what it's like to have people who booked you and we're going to pay you large sums of money to speak, but they see you make stands on social media andor at schoolboard meetings and they say, "Hey, we we you know, he's a little bit too edgy for me. He's a little bit too rough. you know, I I I can't associate with him. So be it. Let let your money perish with you, man. Let me say this to you, DD. Where I live, what I have access to to drive, where we eat, where we vacation, all of that stuff was copathetic and and of the same standard before I did one video. >> Yep. >> Yep. on this platform, you know, and so man, the in the kingdom in the kingdom serving the Lord might make you go viral, make your name known, and then at sometimes serving the Lord may put you in a position where people treat you like you have the bubanic plague, and they don't want to associate with you. I know something about that. >> Amen. I um um do you know who uh Bishop Patrick Wooden is? >> I know him better than what you think. >> Okay. So, I I I we uh went live a few days ago and I did a breakdown on Snoop Dogg and how Snoop Dogg came out with the Love is Love record and and I did a breakdown. I I don't know what you know about my channel, Pastor John, but I do a lot of breakdowns on a lot of musicians and celebrities and world leaders, and I I uh introduce them to people for who they really are. Um um they're they're they're um coming to fame, if you will. And Snoop Dogg has been telling us for pretty much the the the entirety of his career, right, >> who he is, what he represents, what he believes in, what he doesn't um believe in. And we've seen the clip of Snoop Dog >> telling or sharing the story about his nephew or his grandson. >> Yes. >> Saying, "Papa Snoop, >> uh, a woman can't have a baby with another woman." >> And he seemed to be in line with it. He was like, "I'm just here to watch the the movie. Be quiet." >> That's right. That's right. >> But here we are. Someone changes tune. Bishop Wooden did a u in one of his sermons. I mean, it was just so beautiful. uh at one part of his sermon, uh Pastor John, he says, "There used to be a time where I can get in church, I will get up here and I'll speak to the congregation and I say nothing but the truth, so help me God." >> Right? >> And the men in this church full of testosterone will say, "That's right. You better say that, pastor." But now, when I get up here and I say nothing but the truth, so help me God, the men are quiet. >> What happened to the men in the church? Why? Why are they not speaking up? You know, when you when you attend these these um sporting events and you're watching these biological males compete against biological females in the name of quote unquote inclusi inclusivity and di de di >> why don't you say something? There's a polite way to say um truth is truth and even if you say that you don't believe in God, it's consistent with biology. >> Correct? >> Now all of a sudden you you don't believe in biology anymore. Why is this considered bigotry? Why is this considered hateful? I don't hate anyone. What I'm saying is this is wrong. And it seemed as if this was wrong up until I'm trying to remember, Pastor John, and maybe you can help me. I graduated high school in 2012, which I'm almost willing to bet is a little bit later than you you did. And when I graduated from high school in 2012, I don't recall I'm from Arkansas, born and raised. I don't recall this being as as big of a thing nationally. It wasn't until I moved away for college and it was sometime during college, maybe 2014, 2015, something changed. Matt Walsh's documentary comes out, What is a woman? Why would you have to title an entire documentary, What is a woman? And the fact that you can have endless amounts of content for, you know, an hour or two of asking random strangers who don't know one another a simple question. Professors, professors that are gender, gender studies professors, and they all struggle with the question of what is a woman? Pastor John, how did we get here in the last 10, 15 years? Well, I I I'll I'll say this, you know, um John tells us that men love darkness because their deeds were evil, >> right? And then when you go to second Timothy chapter 3 verse verse one, it says this, "Know also that in the last days perilous times shall come, dangerous times." All right? We we we see that all around us. For men shall be lovers of their own selves. self-love, narcissism, egotistical, maniacs, only focus on what's best for them and what they want. Paul also talks about people who would serve the God of their belly. That is the God of their appetites. That's the God of their lust. What and what they desire, what they want, what you long for, right? That will become a god. It will become a god. In addition, he Paul says, "For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous." You want what everybody else has, willing to do anything to get it. boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, >> and unholy. There, there it is right there. Here's another one. Without natural affection. There's something wrong with you when you with a man and you can get an erection >> as a man. as a man there's some there's there there is there is something wrong with wrong with you that's a unnatural affection something wrong with you when you're a woman and your juices get to flowing looking at a woman something's wrong with you that's what it means by without natural affection something's wrong with you when you're 50 years of age but you can get turned on by a 12-y old M without natural affection. Something's wrong with you when you can put uh porn books on a bookshelf for children. Go ahead, P. Pastor John. Some people would argue that those things are not in the same category. I would like for you to explain for those out there who would like to argue a 50-year-old being attracted to a 12-year-old is not in the same category as a man being attracted to a man. >> Is it natural affection? Let's start here. When you when you get to Genesis chapter 1, all right, when you when you get to Genesis chapter 1, let's >> uh for those people who may argue that Genesis chapter 1 verse 26, and God said, "Let us make man in our own image, >> after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." So God created man in his own image and the image of God created he him. Watch this. Male and female created he them. There's no they them. >> Say no no no they them. No Z. No Z them. No none of that. >> None of that. >> Male and female. One two. >> One two. And this. >> And there's an order. >> That's right. But hear me. This is not the gospel nor the doctrine of John Amanukqua. >> This is the word of God. >> And for people who disagree with what I'm saying, they're not disagreeing with me. They're disagreeing with God. And Paul tells us that people who disagree with God in Romans chapter one, they are haters of God. They're not hating on me. When people say negative things about me because of my biblical stance, they're not angry with me. >> They're angry with the scriptures. with the scriptures with the holy one. Um it says male and female created he them. Then watch this verse 28. Here it goes. And God blessed them. That's a sermon in and of itself. He blessed the male and the female construct. He didn't he he he didn't bless what um Dwayne Wade is allowing his son to do. A tragedy. A tragedy. >> God doesn't bless that. He God doesn't bless what Magic Johnson allows his son to do and says nothing about it. You know that because there's one thing at a certain point, you can't make your child be straight. That's true. But I'm not going to condone it. I'm not going to sit there and take pictures together and be happy as he's dressed up like a woman. I'm going to tell, let me tell you something. We're going to take this family picture and you're going to take all that makeup off. You're going to take that dress off. You going to take that fishnet stocking off? You going to take them high heels off and we're going to take a family picture. Well, daddy ain't going to do it. Well, you ain't getting in this picture and you're not bringing your lover to my house for for for Thanksgiving or andor for Christmas because you know the standards of my home. Now, some people might say, "Well, that's harsh. That's brash." No, that's love. You have the right to make your own choices at a certain point, but choices lead to consequences. And you have to be accountable for your choices and your in your consequences. It says, "And God blessed them, the male and the female, and God said unto them, be fruitful >> and multiply >> and multiply and replenish." Fruitful, multiply, and replenish. You take 10 men and you put them in a room together. They they can do it all night long, but by the time it's over, you're going to be let left left with nothing but a hot, funky, smelly mess. That's what you know. >> Still 10 men. >> 10 men. >> Still 10 men. >> Still 10 men. >> No other humans created >> that. Nothing but seed released. Take 10 women, put them in the same room. Heck, put them in the put them in the Ritz Carlton, >> you know, put put them in an executive suite. Let them have a good time, right? Enjoy yourself. At the end of the day, it's nothing but a whole bunch of eggs. But it's not until you submit to the creator >> and you do it God's way. the male and female construct that God has blessed that you can be fruitful, that you can multiply, and that you can replenish the earth. Um, that's what I would tell people who believe that and who who who say that. I I I would tell them that. And then I would also take them over to Romans chapter 1 where uh Paul tells us in verse 26, "For this cause God gave them up into vow affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. They went against nature." Notice it. Notice it again. I showed you in um second Timothy chapter 3 uh where where Paul talks about uh unnatural affections. And now you see here he's talking about um against nature. And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another. Men with men. There it is. Cuz some people say, "Well, hey man, it's we see it in the Old Testament in Leviticus." But where is it at in the New Testament? I'm telling you right now where it's at. Okay. Ro Romans chapter 1, start at verse 26, go down to 27. It says men with men working that which is unseemly, working that which is unimaginable, which is inappropriate, which is astonishing to Almighty God. And receiving in themselves that recompense of their error, which was meek, they destroyed their bodies. They became messed up. They were not only destroyed physically, but they were destroyed spiritually. They messed themselves up. And and and they used to talk about this more, but um the medical field did, but they don't talk about it anymore because, you know, people are soft. Let me just say that say it that way. Homo homosexual sex takes nearly 20 years to 25 years off of a man's lifespan. What homosexual sex it damages the body. It makes makes the individuals more prone and susceptible for STDs in particular HIV AIDS. You look you look at the crisis in uh Atlanta. Mhm. Be careful when you go. If you're straight, you are a commodity. You know, it's uh Atlanta is almost like um Sodom and Gomorrah in reverse. And Sodom, the men were chasing after the men, >> right? They say it's the black version of uh San Francisco. That's what I was told. >> In in indeed it is, you know, but yeah, it it damages the soul. It damages the the human lifespan. And it removes nearly 20 to 25 years off a person's life lifespan that that that lifestyle. And let me let me let me let me let let me wrap this up. And verse 28 says, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind." >> That's that's what we're dealing with in our culture. A reprobate mind is a worthless mind. It's a useless mind. It's a mind that's so corrupt it can serve no purpose. It a reprobate mind is even worse than a double mind. You know J James talks about a double-minded man. He says that the the double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. But the double-minded man at least at some point he has it right. You know, a broken clock is right nearly twice a day, they say, right? But sometimes a double-minded man will get it right, but he just vacasillates. But the reprobate mind is it is a mind that has been essentially seared with a hot iron. You ever ironed your pants before and maybe you were ironing some black pants and you left the iron down for too long and it seared the pants and it put a glaze on it? Yep. And I got in trouble for it. >> You you don't waste your parents' money, right? >> Yep. >> But you you can no longer wear the pants. It's no good. It's you it's useless. >> Or if you wear it, people can see that it's damaged. When you see the man walking around with doing all of this and talking with the lisp and all this stuff, we can see that they're damaged. They're damaged. They've been they have a reprobate mind. a mind a mind that has been seared the conscience seared with a hot iron. We we can see that they're messed up. But I do want to add to this as well that many of these people who end up in that way often times taken advantage of at a young age. Some of these people some of these people who end up in that lifestyle they didn't want that lifestyle. >> Yep. some some predator, which is why I lead my national campaign because uh that P word, I don't want to mess you up on YouTube by saying it too much. You know what I mean? But that P O R N word, corn. Yeah, corn. That that right there makes a child desensitized to things. So they're susceptible for pray to be prayed upon. And that's what many of these people who end up in that lifestyle, that's the case. Many of them did didn't want it. But some uncle, some auntie, some mother, some father, some sister, some brother, some gym teacher messed them up. And Pastor John, I'm not and and just so people are clear, we're not picking on people who are homosexual as to say that homosexual homosexuality is the only sin in the Bible. I am a sinner. I said I said all of the time I sin today every day I strive to be more like Jesus Christ. However, I do want to note something else that I've noticed and I I love your thoughts on before we move to the next topic about the black community. >> Right. >> I've noticed that there has been a slight increase and you tell me if you see it the same way or not >> in the conservative movement of open homosexual conservative influencers. What are your thoughts about that? >> I'm against it. I feel the same way that I feel when it's on the left. >> I'm against it. I've preached about it. I preached against it uh about three years ago while I was at a Turning Point USA event. I said, I got a message for all of y'all log cabin Republicans. That's what I said. I have a message for y'all log cabin Republicans. It's either get saved or God is going to set the log cabin on fire. That's what I said. Did you get permission from Charlie Kirk or any of his members before you said this or did you just say this freely on your own? >> Let me say this and and I don't mince words when I say this either. Charlie Kirk has never told me at any point what I could and what I could not say. M >> matter of fact, I do recall me reaching out to him and his staff and his team uh suggesting that he should say certain things a certain way when I disagree with something that he said, but he never ever contacted me and told me what I could not say. Now, I did it when I disagreed with something that he said. I did it the proper way, you know, but never. I said it and after I said it, they kept bringing me back. They kept platforming me. They kept supporting my ministry and my work. Yes, I said it because it's right. It was It was right before I had one follower on Instagram. >> It was right before I said it because it's in the word. Of course, I said it. And if they want to tell me that I can't speak like that, I got to go. I have to go. >> It's the truth or it's nothing. >> Yeah. And that's why I support Turning Point USA. Is it a perfect organization? No. No organization is. But I'm a part of um Turning Point USA. I've worked in every um sector of Turning Point USA for the past three and a half years. primarily I'm on the education side and the TPUSA faith side and no one has ever come to me and said, "Hey, Pastor John, you should tone it down. You shouldn't say that. You shouldn't let the pendulum swing at both uh angles. I I I I call out the insidious behavior on the left when I see it. I called out when the Epstein fouls were botched. >> I haven't seen that video, but we're going to talk about it." >> Yeah, it it was it was botched. It's it's it's it's it's it's a mess. Trump got that wrong. I don't mind I don't mind saying that. I I I I am I am balanced. I don't mind saying it. I don't mind stating it. It's true. Epstein fouls botched. I don't mind calling it out. >> But but and this is and and we're we're we're inching our way towards where we're going to find a little bit of disagreement in love. But, Pastor John, um, let me ask you because based on what I've seen from you, um, I'm I'm very happy to hear you say that. However, um I've gotten the impression, and you have the opportunity in the platform here to correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I've got the impression from you and a few other people on the right or more conservative leaning that you either um and before I make this statement, let me just say I I guest appeared on a podcast um about four or five months ago called Popping Politics. extremely lovely ladies, black conservative women. They had me on the show and it was primarily centered around the Epste files conversation and um because I was a bit disappointed because they they they kind of like danced around the topic and I wanted consistency. It's easy for us that are are conservatives or more conservativeleaning um to call out the the the white blue-haired liberals um because that's easy. But then when you have people who identify as Republican or conservative and or andor because that it's not always one and the same and or followers of Jesus. Um you get a little tricky when it comes to Trump. I have not seen the same amount of passion when it comes to criticizing Trump and it come because the Epstein files, here's my thing. It's not just uh I forget the word that you just used, but it's not just a blooper. It's not just a mess up. We're talking about children. We've spoken about this and and you and I agree that they're probably you and I probably can agree that they're the most vulnerable part of our society. >> Yes, I agree. >> And they should be the most protected. Botched. Thank you. Botched is is the word that you use. And respectfully, Pastor John, I'm going to disagree. I think there's a much worse word to use. My vocabulary may not be that extensive, but whatever it is, I think it applies there. And I think the bigger question isn't to question if Donald Trump botched it or if something else happened. Pastor John, I believe the bigger question is why did he botch it? >> Yeah. I I I think here's the thing. When we go into these situations like this that we're addressing now on why it was botched, I don't know all of the details. And so we're getting ready to move into the realm of speculation, right? And I don't have a problem speculating. I don't have a problem using my spidey senses, right? Or >> or or the Holy Spirit or discernment or, you know, to figure out what happened? Do do I do I do I think that he's intentionally trying to mess over children or protect some type of pervert or anything of that nature. He hasn't given me a reason to think so. All right. How However, could that be possible? Could it be in the realm of possibility? It's it's it's plausible, but I haven't seen concrete evidence to make me lean in that direction. However, >> well, just curious, what concrete evidence, hypothetically speaking, could you have seen or could see that would then suggest or lead you to believe that that could be a possibility? Just curious >> that he was caught with a child >> that that so therefore he doesn't want to expose it because it's something that he's done before himself. You know what I mean? And so it it would take some something like that. Now, Pam Bondi made statements as it relates to the fouls and she said she had it on her desk and everything was there, all that stuff like that. >> I And keep in mind that was within what less than two months of them being in office. >> Okay. Um, do I think at that point she had actually read everything that's in the files? Here we go with the speculation. I personally don't. Do Do I Do I think that she found out that she was in too deep and had a bigger job than she could have ever imagined? Yes, I do. Do I think that there were things that could have potentially been redacted from the files from prior administrations? That's in the realm of possibility, but that's speculation as well. I don't know. That's my best answer. I I I I don't know. But what I can say is we were told that they have the information. They're going to release it and we haven't seen it yet. I want to see the information. It needs to be released. It needs to be exposed. I want to protect children. I've led a national campaign in 22 states fighting for children. >> And I'm not going to just stop with that. And so when it comes to this, even though it's on the right, yeah, release the files and let's make it plain. Let's make it clear. >> All right, Pastor John. Um, you're you're accustomed to this. We just watched a video of you addressing people and and I've said multiple times and I think just from the nature of our conversation, you know, everything that we're saying and we're about to say is in love. I have nothing but respect for you. Um but I'm I'm not going to mince my words uh when I say that I believe that you are giving them an immense amount of um benefit of the doubt that I don't think you afford to the left. And I don't and I think respectfully, pastor, and I really do mean respectfully. I don't believe that you're being consistent. I think it's a little bit hypocritical because now now I understand and this is definitely something that I wanted to to to um get your explanation or clarification on. Often you you've said in your videos because I I watch quite a bit of your videos >> and you you've said in this interview absolutely I I watch your content often Instagram and um Twitter and and YouTube. You you often say, "Well, we're getting into speculation. We're getting what is it? You're a pastor. There's a thing called discernment." >> Sure. >> The Most High does not tell us to shy away from our discernment. Now, yes, I understand that you should not say things as a matter of fact that you don't know to be a matter of fact. >> Correct. >> But in my opinion, and you're the pastor here, so you tell me if this is not consistent with um the Bible, Pastor John. But if you have reason to believe that something is off, and we'll get into this later when we talk about Candace and Charlie Kurt. But if you have reason to believe that something is off with these Epstein files and why Trump is not doing it, and there are many supporting factors that lead you to believe something, there's nothing wrong with saying this is an absolute travesty. Not botched. That's the nice way to put it. We're talking about children. That should be at the very top of the pro at the list. I'm not saying you know uh trying to prevent war um world wars from happening and and people of you know being able to uh afford houses. I'm not saying that there are not other important things in this country but we have to be consistent if we're talking about children. The the the fact of the matter is Pam Bundy I don't care that she she's on the right. She said that she had these fouls and she was going to release them. She didn't. Why is everybody giving more more um smoke, if you will, for Pam Bundy when the when the left is in in in um has the House and the Senate and when they're in office, we give all the the credit to the president. Now, all of a sudden, we're focusing on Pam Bundy. Yeah, Pam Bundy said it and she deserves criticism for that. Personally, Pastor John, I don't care for Pam Bundy. Um but I think Donald Trump as well. Donald Trump if if p if if if if if President Biden had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein even remotely the way that Trump did many people not saying you would have leaned into a lot of the speculation as to why Trump hasn't released these files or why President Biden um would not have released these files but when it comes to Trump it seems that let's just give them the benefit of the doubt no this is extremely important they've alleged that politicians, celebrities have have taken advantage and and for those of you who don't know that's watching right now, Jeffrey Epstein, many of his victims are alive and they've been giving interviews. I've spoken to a couple of one of them a couple of times. I'm still trying to get her on, but she's given an interview with the um the transgender conservative um um I can't think of her name in this very moment, but they've given interviews and they've said yes, they have not said out of their own mouth that Trump was guilty of X, Y, and Z. So, that's not even what I'm alleging here, but they've said that they saw Trump in many different rooms. I'm just saying, why aren't we consistent that we have the same amount of passion when it come to Trump? Who who who said that they saw them in different saw Trump in different rooms? >> Um um um >> who who who said that? Because hey man, if you can figure out >> rooms. I want to I want to clear it up, Pastor J. And I appreciate you holding me accountable. When I say rooms, she did not say in rooms where children was being violated. But at a time when she was being violated in that same time period that she was with Jeffrey Epstein, um, she saw Trump. And there's also another woman, and I can send the video to you. I reacted to it on my channel. There's another woman who said that she used to date >> Jeffrey Epste when she was really young. Trump knew about it. Not only did Trump knew know about it, but Trump and Jeffrey Epste spoke about it. And while she never said, and this is in defense of Trump, she never said that Trump physically, well, >> she never said that he penetrated her, but she did say that Trump groped her in front of Epstein. This is public information and and I'll definitely send it to you. I reacted to it. >> Who Who said this? >> Let me >> Yeah. And so that's the thing. I don't have a pro. Like I said, if I'm going to speak to something, DD >> Yes, sir. I'm going to address it head on where I have factual evidence and information. Yes, I spend a lot of my time calling out the left because they are the ones that are putting drag queens in our schools. >> That's not being done by the right. That's being done by the left. They are the ones that I fight with the most to protect drag queens in schools, to protect these bathroom laws where girls can get turned out, perverted, and potentially penetrated as has taken place in Louding County where I went to for my second school board stop nationally. And so I speak emphatically and put my weight on things that are evidential. Okay? If you want to get into the realm of surmising, speculating, discerning, trying to figure it out that way, you can. I don't I don't have I don't have an issue with that. And I don't have a problem with questions. I have a problem with an individual saying, "Hey, let's we need to get out of the details." You know, in the words of Candace Owens, I had a pro have a problem when a person said, "Hey, I have a brain. I don't have I have a right to think. You know, let let me think." I don't have an issue with that. But I'm a preacher and so when I say something, people are going to expect that I'm using my integrity. Okay? And so I fight a great deal against the left because it was the left that, you know, through Barack Obama that decorated the White House in rainbow colors. >> Yep. >> It was Barack Obama who redefined the sanctity of marriage. >> Yep. That's true. And and I believe that was one of the reasons that that they put him in office to use him for that. >> I agree. I agree with that. It was Barack Obama who, you know, amended the Lynden B. Uh, Johnson Discrimination Act. You know, it it was Obama who did those things. And yes, I address that. Yes, I talk about it. But if I'm going to bring it up, I can go to Google and find it and send it to you and say it and bring it up and and show you why I'm fighting these issues. I told you in the beginning when I got started that I have dealt with some lying liberals and some ratchet rhinos. Datchet rhinos. That situation took place in Louisiana when three of their Republican schoolboard leaders came to me and said, "Hey, Pastor John, we would have much rather that you send us a email or phone call us. Call us." And we would have addressed these books. And man, I I let them have it because at the end of the day, they were not going to address the books because they want to sweep it under the rug to protect their position so that liberals will continue to vote for them. >> And so I went against them. Matter of fact, I brought up the Epstein thing before you went there on on in this conversation. And so people can call me a hypocrite. They can they can say that he only points out this and points out that. Man, that stuff is like water down a duck's back. I can I can care less. But if I speak to something I'm speaking to, if I'm going to put my full weight on it, I need to know what I'm talking about. And that is fair. That's balanced. President Trump and his administration, Pam Bondi, and and her ilk. She said that she had the foul on her desk. You and I'm I'm quoting what she said. >> Yep. She did. And then along the way, we don't know what happened, what took place. >> She has one boss. >> Why? Why? Yeah, of course she does. And and he failed. It's It's his administration. It's his administration. I don't have a problem saying that. It's no no issue at all. But what I do but what I do see from his administration is from day one he made it clear that Genesis 1:26 27-28 was upheld. And so I'm more inclined to say, "Hey man, I I respect that. I like that." You know, that tells me that at the end of the day, you want to do things God's way and you're doing something that flies in the polar opposite of what we just saw for the past eight years. Yes, I follow you. Let me instead of making a statement, I'll pose a question to you, Pastor John. >> Or could it be that both the left and the right, they both give us things that um one could consider scraps? I don't think that scraps in the sense of is not that important, but they give us something to be happy about >> that we have not been accustomed to the past four to eight years. So they give that back to us in the name of the right, but then they do other things that we don't agree with because they already did something else to make us happy. >> And what do you mean by the by by this by by the scraps? >> Um like so for the last number of years we've been fighting to get biological males out of women's b out of females bathrooms, out of their sports. Um these sort of things. We've been dealing with that for a number of years. And then, you know, the uh um the abortion thing like which by the way, Trump supports abortion up to a certain extent, which I'm sure you and I both disagree with, but uh it's it's better than what the left was doing. I'm with you on that. >> But Trump did put the right people on the Supreme Court that, you know, made it easy for us to strike down Ro. Wade. We can we can acknowledge that. >> That's fair. >> And that's okay. Okay. >> Yeah. I'm with you on that. And and to be clear here and and I tried to tell this to the ladies on popping politics, but they weren't having it. >> I am not anti-Trump, so to speak. If Trump does something that I agree with, I'm giving him I'm commending him for it. I'm celebrating him for it. Like day one, I think it's unprecedented for a president to sign all those um executive orders. And it was like a beautiful thing to watch that he got in there on day one and he just signing stuff away like, "Let's get men out of women's bathrooms and let's put that back where it was. let's take this down. And it was a beautiful thing to watch. It was like going back to what we were accustomed to. And many people just believe that the direction the country was headed, we weren't going to ever see this again. And Trump got in there and he >> reverted things back to where they were. I'm just of the mindset that sometimes the this government I'm entertaining the idea that it could be by design in the sense that they made things so badly bad that if they revert some things that we're focusing on at the forefront if they revert those things back to what we want then they can do other things that we disagree with. But they could always point to that and say look I can't be too bad because I did this. And a lot of people hang on to that because he did sign those executive orders. So I just don't want us to get caught in he did this so give him a pass for X Y and Z. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but I think some people a lot of people on the right have been engaging in that. >> Well, some some some might. I can only speak for for for myself. Uh >> fair enough. >> Um and that's that's what I do. Well, I do well speaking for John. >> Mhm. >> Now, there are people who may assess what I say and come to their conclusion and they they have they have a right to do so. But I I I do well speaking for myself. Matter of fact, speaking of issues that I speak up about that are not always popular on the right that um there are few that that do. So, I talked about the whole Young Republicans uh text thread. M >> I did not I did not plan to talk to you about that but I would love to talk to you about that. >> I talked about that at great length and I >> What are your thoughts? >> What do you mean what are my thoughts? For those of you who don't know, um, what Pastor John is referring to is there was in Politico, there was these text messages that were exposed from young Republicans that were supposedly using language joking supposedly joking about gas chambers and calling um, so-called black people um, watermelon people and things of that sort. And it was a huge deal. A lot of people on the right did not make a big deal out of it. Of course, people on the left made a big deal out of it. >> Right. >> Proceed. >> Yeah. And so I'm balanced. I looked at it and I said, "Now hold up. We're not going to sit here and witness these racist and anti- anti-semitic and uh vow comments and statements be mentioned in a text thread in a chat and then sweep it under the rug and say, "Well, no, it's just jokes. I don't joke about people in that regard, >> you know. Um I I don't think it's necessary for me to sit there in a text thread and call white people out of their name and call Jews out of their out of their name and do all of that stuff. I I have no need to do that. You know what I mean? I think it's a um it's a reflection of a person's heart, you know, and the Bible says that evil communication corrupts good behavior. >> And if you can comfortably call blacks monkeys, call them watermelon eaters, but then hang out and chill with blacks in your cool. Something wrong with you. Something's wrong with you. And so, yeah, we need to address the fact that, yeah, that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. We can do all of that stuff. We can we can talk about it, but then we can also address the fact that, hey, man, these young these young Republicans who said what they said in that chat, they need to be fired, removed, which the um the board of directors for the Young Republican Club did remove them swiftly. And then um I may not I'm probably not supposed to say this, but um I'll say as much as I can. I talked to some high up leadership within the Young Republicans Club and even they were upset with how some people on the right handle this situation because the text messages are far more egregious than they present. There's even conversations about that rword word, you know, r a p, you know, and and um defrauding donors, you know, which which which in many cases is is is a crime. And so I spoke about it. I talked about it. I made I made multiple posts about it. I'm not done with it. I'm I'm currently addressing a far-right guy who talks about Christian nationalism by the name of Joe Webbon. you know who who who who's a devil? Who's who's a devil? You know, and my message on racism is this DD and never forget it. That racism is not a skin tone or a color. It's sin. >> And and so >> racism is not synonymous with whiteness. It's not synonymous with blackness. It's synonymous with our fallen nature. I've met racist whites and I've met racist blacks. Okay. And I speak these things on platforms whether there's 10 people or 15,000 people. I address it. >> Somebody in the comment section has several people in the comment section has asked the question that I'm also wondering as well. Pastor John, do you mind defining what you mean when you say anti-semitic or anti-semitism? >> By definition, it's the hatred of the Jewish population. Now >> the definition has changed. >> But but but let you want me to you gonna you want me to answer the question? >> Okay, go ahead. >> You know what I mean? So you can't you can't ask me the question then speak for me too. I know you're excited because you we're getting to why you brought me on. You know, we we got the small talk out of the way and then we can get to this. >> Um >> but I didn't bring you on to discuss this this right here. >> Yeah. but or other other things pressing towards u my hypocrisy or or or Candace Owens. I mean, you know, >> I I brought you on for everything we've been talking brought me on, man. You know why? But it's it's it's cool with me because at the end of the day, I hope that I will win you over. I pray that that I can win some of your audience over for them to actually have an interaction with me and hear what I have to say versus trying to speculate what I mean when I say what I say. Now, do I think that we should be able to um question and critique the Israeli government, what they're doing with the war, things of that nature? the same stuff that Charlie Kirk did. Do I think that we should be allowed to do so? Of course. I mean, especially if we're going to send billions of dollars to Israel, of course, we should be able to put them under scrutiny. If I if I can critique Joe Biden, Trump, the Bushes, the Clintons, we should be able to critique BBNet. No, and what they're doing over there in in Israel. And so is that anti-Semitic to do so? I don't think that that is. Are there some Jews that are very sensitive that the moment you disagree with them, they scream anti-semitism? True. That is true. But do I now have an animist towards all Jews because of one Jew? Just like I don't have an ju just like I shouldn't have an animist towards all whites because of one white. I I don't I don't I personally don't. And so if you have your axe to grind with something that's happened that you see that a Jew did, address it, speak about it, talk about it. But yeah, everyone should be able to be critiqued. Yes, >> absolutely. I I am curious. Um I was I wasn't surprised, >> but I was I was still yet disgusted when I saw Matt Walsh, um Ben Shapiro, what's his name? U Matthew Nles and the other gentlemen um over at the Daily Wire, you may have seen the clip that that been circulating when they discussed the Young Republicans group chat. Have you seen this clip? Their discussion I I I vaguely remember. I think you do, but I think it they were all on together. Um >> and people were looking at um Matt Washer's response. >> Yeah. >> In comparison to to Ben's response and stuff like that. >> Yeah. I mean, and and like I like I said, if you if you listen to Matt Walsh talk about that, he he's really saying there's not much there and that he if he has a disagreement pretty much is going to address it privately, you know, and that that's really what I hear from Matt Walsh right now, which if you are employed at a certain place and you have a disagreement with someone, a prudent person, a wise person, the godly thing to do is to address that in the back office. Have your conversation. Have your blowout. Go toe to toe. Hey, if they push you, push them back. If they punch you, punch them back. Right? Address it behind closed doors. But when we come front face into the world, we have to we have a job to do. And if I'm working at a person's company, I'm going to respect them. Now, you can choose to go rogue. You can choose to go rogue, right? You can choose to. There have been many people who have done that in in different companies and they find themselves fired and you know I mean come on DD you you you're going to get fired. You you you are you know and um if that's your position if that's your posture that hey man then I'm not the type of person that knows how to learn when to hold them and when to fold them how to properly deal with crucial conversations and be sensible. If you don't know how to do that, you'll find yourself bouncing around to different organizations. You're on a carousel because you don't know how to employ temperance. >> Maybe you and I are I do agree with everything you just said. Um, but I I believe you and I are slightly talking about a different part or angle of the conversation. What I'm talking about specifically with Matt Walsh isn't his disagreement with Ben Shapiro and how he went about it. In fact, I would say Matt Walsh's body language I think said everything he was supposed to say, but I think everything he could have said he didn't say. Probably for the reasons that you stated. >> One could argue that's probably could lean towards the fact that it's probably not the place for you because I think I do believe that that topic is that serious. Um, but I'm talking about specifically Matt Walsh >> said that he didn't think that the text messages were that big of a deal. Um, he read the text messages. He deemed it to be something that they were joking about. I'm more so on your side, Pastor John, in the sense that even if you're joking, using language like they they were using, I think that speaks to the person's character. And I my biggest issue with with people conservatives similar to Matt Walsh is that they're not once again this word is going to come up often with me consistent because if it was because he said that the left released this to to distract us from other things that were taking place and what happened to Charlie Kirk that may be true >> but it still happened. It's not like they created it out of thin air. It still happened. So, I think you should address it accordingly or don't address it at all. If this was flipped and it was the left doing it, >> Matt Walsh would have been all over it like white on rice. >> Yes. >> Hypocrisy. Racism is racism, right? >> 100%. >> For sure. >> It it it is. And I'm probably more inclined to say that uh and believe that because, you know, I am a minority. M >> but but when your context is that you're the majority always, unless you have a true Christian heart, >> which some of these people don't. >>
