Economic Realities vs. Statistics: Kirk’s Heated Campus Exchange

[00:00] you want one okay we we'll we'll throw

[00:02] some more uh disagreements are welcome

[00:04] if not we'll keep it up uh just please

[00:06] tilt the mic up because you're you're

[00:07] taller than our usual

[00:08] question so what I want to know of

[00:11] course so Trump when he was in office

[00:15] had at a certain point he had control of

[00:17] both the Senate and the house and yet

[00:19] there are many many issues that are

[00:21] still going on well so you you bring up

[00:23] a pretty good point and then a not good

[00:25] point so let me give you the the pretty

[00:27] good point you're right Trump should

[00:28] have done more with a unified house in

[00:30] the Senate so Donald Trump did actually

[00:32] fix the border and he did it without the

[00:34] US Senate or house he did it through

[00:35] executive orders and through executive

[00:37] Direction the Border When Donald Trump

[00:39] was president had the lowest ever

[00:41] recorded border crossings into our

[00:43] country on the southern border under Joe

[00:45] Biden and K Harris it's the highest ever

[00:47] right and so so why did he veto the

[00:49] Border bill then okay well first of all

[00:52] in sorry in he used his political power

[00:55] to fair enough the be how much do you

[00:57] know about the Border bill so the Border

[00:59] bill was endorsed by the border patrol

[01:01] agents right first of all that's not

[01:02] correct that is correct no they they

[01:04] they came out and they said they they

[01:05] totally denounced it not Harris they

[01:07] didn't endorse Harris they endorsed the

[01:09] bill no you can look at Brandon jud's

[01:11] statement he said that's one of the

[01:12] greatest misinformation lies but let's

[01:14] talk about what actually it is that bill

[01:16] pull it up yeah type in Brandon Jud

[01:18] border Bill actually I'm going to type

[01:19] in the border patrol endorsement of the

[01:21] bill well no Brandon Jud is the one you

[01:23] should look at okay so anyway what what

[01:26] some union says or doesn't say is

[01:27] besides the point so but let me ask you

[01:30] this for for getting the border patrols

[01:32] endorsement or not mass amnesty was in

[01:35] the bill it would have given amnesty to

[01:37] 10 Patrol Union back Senate immigration

[01:40] Bill despite House GOP yes what is what

[01:42] did Brandon judge say about that so the

[01:44] national border patrol Council right but

[01:47] that's not the boorder of Patrol Union

[01:48] those are two different things right

[01:50] they still have their endorsement and

[01:51] again you can't say they're commas hold

[01:54] on a second they again they retracted it

[01:56] soon after just to be clear though it

[01:58] would have given amnesty the 10 million

[02:00] people in this country do you think

[02:01] that's a good idea potentially if

[02:02] they're working in this

[02:05] country are you you would give amnesty

[02:09] the majority the majority of illegal

[02:11] immigration 75% of illegal immigration

[02:14] is overstaying visas these are 10

[02:16] million people that came we're not even

[02:17] talking about the overstate Visas we're

[02:19] talking about people that came across

[02:20] the border 10 million of them

[02:23] Uninvited what would you do with them

[02:25] give them jobs if there's room for them

[02:27] to work oh this is a super important

[02:30] moral distinction though and that's fine

[02:32] we have Clarity not agreement you think

[02:34] the people in this audience should have

[02:35] to compete against Foreigners for jobs I

[02:37] think that you have a moral obligation

[02:39] to your own citizens to give them jobs

[02:41] before the

[02:42] people so you say not okay we don't have

[02:45] to worry that you're making a d dilemma

[02:47] that doesn't exist there are more jobs

[02:49] right now in this nation than there was

[02:51] under Trump hold on a

[02:53] second first of all not well-paying jobs

[02:56] and they're they're not keeping up with

[02:58] why do you think that wages aren't

[02:59] keeping up with with inflation weight

[03:01] aren keep up with inflation because

[03:02] people in this audience have to compete

[03:04] against people that have come across the

[03:06] border but let's just talk about the

[03:07] morals of it just the moral the moral so

[03:10] you would give amnesty for people that

[03:12] are and newcomers that just come in and

[03:15] cut I want to talk about the Practical

[03:17] here char No the Border Bill gave them

[03:20] amnesty it is practical that's why Trump

[03:22] T is if they can help our nation then we

[03:24] should let them just let me ask you a a

[03:26] moral question cuz we can go back and

[03:27] forth do you think it should be a

[03:29] Charlie I'm not here to talk your talk

[03:31] I'm here to talk the Practical which is

[03:33] and they can work no we're not talking

[03:35] about moral here talking all the only

[03:38] discussion is the moral do you think it

[03:40] should be illegal to come into the

[03:41] country that's not what you led with

[03:43] with the moral that's not what I led

[03:44] with we're not moving this conversation

[03:46] we're going back the Border Bill

[03:48] actually no I'm not strong Manning it

[03:49] the Border Bill said it I said strong

[03:50] man not strong man I I got it the Border

[03:53] Bill did what for an amnesty it would

[03:56] have given amnesty to 10 million illegal

[03:57] aliens yes okay again we're that's so

[04:02] you asked you said why did Trump torpedo

[04:04] it cuz Trump cares about Americans more

[04:06] than foreigners that's why why the GOP

[04:08] endorse it the GOP the GOP did not Endor

[04:12] Bill hold on a second Senator Langford

[04:14] who is a traitor to this country

[04:16] endorsed it yeah multiple GOP Senators

[04:20] okay if you're trying to convince me

[04:21] that a bunch of rhinos yeah got behind a

[04:23] bunch of a border Bill we're going to

[04:25] talk past each other read the bill I do

[04:28] not think DC or Wasington DC should pass

[04:30] a bill that says if you come into a

[04:32] country you're given amnesty and you

[04:35] disagree I don't by the way if they're

[04:37] if they're doing jobs more the reason to

[04:39] kick them out because those should be

[04:40] jobs given to Americans but the job

[04:41] market is higher now than it has ever

[04:43] been the stock market is higher now than

[04:45] it has ever been let's let's hold on do

[04:47] you guys think the economy is better or

[04:49] worse not you are living on a cloud man

[04:53] listen to the people of this country

[04:55] they can't afford things the job market

[04:57] is awful the economy is terrible stop

[04:59] reading the New York times and start

[05:00] talking to American

[05:02] voters yeah and you understand how

[05:05] insane you sound the economy is better

[05:07] people are telling you they can't afford

[05:09] stuff yeah inflation is high now because

[05:11] Trump spent more than any president on

[05:13] the debt in fouryear Period oh so wait

[05:17] it's Trump's fault that inflation is

[05:19] high four years

[05:21] later as you would come to realize that

[05:23] hope in your role that economies are

[05:25] reactionary forces it takes time for

[05:27] things to be implemented got it so

[05:28] nothing is by fault everything is

[05:30] Trump's fault we'll see Biden's impact

[05:32] largely in the next four or so three or

[05:35] four years it it this is it really is

[05:37] remarkable the power of propaganda is

[05:40] fine I just do you think that kamla

[05:42] Harris and Biden are

[05:44] successful it depends on what

[05:47] metric but economy wise no I actually do

[05:50] agree they are a huge success in

[05:51] destroying the country I totally agree

[05:53] if you look at a Comm this right some of

[05:56] the some of the Nations actually many of

[05:58] the Nations leading economists have

[06:00] endorsed kamla Harris for presidency

[06:02] because they say that Trump will ruin

[06:04] the economy then why didn't he ruin it

[06:06] the first time he did Trump ruined the

[06:09] economy again it's reactionary forces

[06:12] what Trump did is he handled so let me

[06:15] just ask one final thing what is kamla

[06:18] Harris's greatest accomplishment KLA

[06:20] Harris's greatest accomplishment I think

[06:22] it depends on who you ask but I would

[06:24] say yeah I would say it was cutting

[06:26] child poverty in half she she did that

[06:30] her the Biden Administration her and

[06:32] Biden did that yes and that was uh how

[06:35] did she do that so the child tax credit

[06:38] basically uh from Co Oh you mean the one

[06:41] from the Trump tax cut it's not from the

[06:42] Trump tax cut yeah it is actually no

[06:45] yeah it's actually from the tax cut from

[06:48] December of 2017 the one that KLA Harris

[06:50] is running against is the one that

[06:51] you're touting right now it's not the

[06:53] case at all you can lie but no I mean

[06:56] just I encourage everyone to look up the

[06:58] child tax credit right now on your

[06:59] phones yeah the child tax credit was

[07:01] part of the look on what Bill it was

[07:03] passed look what year it was passed it

[07:04] was during the yeah it was 2017

[07:06] literally Donald Trump expanded the

[07:08] child tax cut tax cut Credit in 2017

[07:11] final question do you think that kamla

[07:14] Harris would do a better job the next

[07:16] four years than Donald Trump if so why

[07:18] to make the case I'm curious okay so I

[07:20] would agree that Harris would do a much

[07:22] better job than Trump for a variety of

[07:24] reasons again uh if you look at our

[07:26] current track record we're coming out of

[07:28] the covid and the Trump policy we have

[07:30] the most amount of jobs we have the

[07:31] highest pay in stock market we have

[07:33] child poverty that's cut in half we have

[07:35] the most

[07:37] uh yes

[07:39] again uh the tax R so we have multiple

[07:42] reasons and then if you look at the case

[07:43] against Trump you'll see that multiple

[07:45] economists have said that Trump will

[07:47] ruin the economy right including Nobel

[07:50] Prize winners no it's just and this is

[07:53] so this is actually really instructive

[07:56] and thank you for embodying it so

[07:58] perfectly which is that like everyday

[08:02] people are no longer buying the rubbish

[08:04] that everything's fine everything's

[08:05] great young people can't afford homes

[08:08] right cuz if you here in Montana

[08:11] specifically no every state has seen

[08:13] housing prices go up and but not just

[08:16] that it's that energy prices are up it

[08:19] is harder than ever to be able to have a

[08:20] family we have a fertility crisis let's

[08:22] take Montana for example NorthWestern

[08:24] Energy Energy prices are going up under

[08:26] a republican Board of Commissioners

[08:28] despite having a budget Surplus this

[08:30] year of over2 billion I don't know about

[08:32] that I'm sure somebody else can comment

[08:33] on that but going back to the macro

[08:36] Trends across the country Donald Trump

[08:38] when he was president lower income

[08:40] earners saw their incomes go up the most

[08:42] young people were flourishing lowest

[08:44] ever black unemployment Hispanic

[08:45] unemployment Asian-American unemployment

[08:47] we saw an economic Renaissance in a

[08:49] miracle but here's the point here's

[08:51] actually the kicker here's how I know

[08:52] I'm right is that when American people

[08:54] are asked outside of the economists 70%

[08:57] of people think the Trump economy is

[08:59] better than actually what's happening

[09:00] now so you're living on an island if you

[09:02] look people look at real compar

[09:05] inflation I encourage every statistica

[09:08] great source real real real wage growth

[09:11] compared to inflation is higher under

[09:13] the Biden

[09:15] Administration are 70% of the people

[09:17] here or the country wrong when they say

[09:19] Trump was better at the economy again

[09:21] look it up I encourage

[09:25] everyone to inflation are these people

[09:27] wrong when they say that the economy was

[09:29] better under Trump Montana is

[09:31] specifically or Montana is distinct from

[09:34] the nation itself reasons yes it is we

[09:37] have the highest housing increases out

[09:39] of any compared to wage under

[09:43] gn4 so we compared to average wage

[09:46] growth and average wages it costs it

[09:49] takes more to buy a house here in

[09:51] Montana than anywhere else in the nation

[09:52] that includes California that includes

[09:56] uh no no it's fine thank you for coming

[09:58] up I appreciate it and it's just this is

[10:01] the Divide is that 70% of the country is

[10:04] saying I'm suffering and I'm struggling

[10:06] and so then you said look around us

[10:07] these are montans let's talk about

[10:08] Montana well hold on let me finish like

[10:11] they vehemently think you're totally on

[10:13] an island here and let me just say

[10:15] though that this is what's happening in

[10:16] the country 70% of the country is saying

[10:19] please help us we can't afford stuff and

[10:21] a small oligarchy is saying you're dumb

[10:23] listen to the Nobel Prize winner