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Erika Frantzve on Why Pastors Must Stop Compromising Truth to Fill Church Pews
Erika Frantzve, former Miss Arizona, entrepreneur, and host of the Midweek Rise Up podcast, shares her unconventional journey from Catholic upbringing to fierce defender of biblical truth. Raised by an entrepreneur mother who taught her that everything belongs to God, Erika competed in pageants not for glamour but for platform, pursued degrees in political science and legal studies to understand policy and defend rights, and now calls out churches and pastors who compromise the Gospel to attract seekers rather than feed their sheep. She discusses the dangerous trend of political correctness infiltrating pulpits, the difference between primary and functional calling, and why she refuses any opportunity where she cannot bring Jesus into the boardroom. Erika's boldness, intelligence, and refusal to compromise make her a compelling voice for Christians navigating cultural pressure.
From Catholic Roots to Uncompromising Faith
Erika Frantzve grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona, raised by a Catholic entrepreneur mother who instilled in her the foundational principle that money is not ours—it belongs to God. From a young age, Erika watched her mother write tithing checks every Sunday, despite working endless hours building her company. Her mother told her plainly: "Erika, it's not our money. It's not ours. God has blessed us and He's blessed us to be a blessing to other people, and I'm a steward of this." That lesson became a core conviction that shaped Erika's entire life, even when she later lived in Manhattan and managed her own finances.
Though raised in the Catholic tradition—attending mass every Sunday, going through sacraments, wearing her saints—Erika always felt something was missing. She loved the reverence and structure of the Catholic Church, but she questioned why she had to go through saints and Mother Mary to reach Jesus. Why confess sins to a priest instead of going straight to the Lord? This internal tension followed her through Catholic high school and a Jesuit university, but prayer remained central to her life regardless of denominational labels.
Everyday Heroes Like You: A Ministry Born from Compassion
Erika's passion for giving back began early. Since she and her mother had no extended family in Arizona, they spent holidays serving in soup kitchens rather than gathering around a family table. Her mother, a solution-oriented entrepreneur, taught Erika to bring solutions to problems, not just complaints. When Erika expressed a desire to make a difference in high school, her mother challenged her: "Show me your business plan."
That challenge birthed Everyday Heroes Like You in 2006, a nonprofit designed to connect transparent, boots-on-the-ground organizations with donors who wanted to make a real impact. Erika was frustrated by classmates at Notre Dame Prep who would forge community service hours required for graduation rather than actually serve. When she asked why, they said they wanted to help but didn't know how. Everyday Heroes became the bridge.
The organization supports various causes, including an orphanage in Romania with 92 children, where the Marine Corps helps deliver Christmas gifts. Erika has never written herself a paycheck from the organization—100% of proceeds go directly to the cause. She prefers requesting specific items rather than cash donations, believing it creates more meaningful connections when donors purchase actual supplies knowing exactly where they're going.
Miss Arizona: A Platform, Not a Crown
Pageantry was never Erika's plan. She was a gym rat, a tomboy who wanted to play professional basketball. When she received a nomination to compete for Miss Arizona USA, she was skeptical. But after reviewing what the title could offer, she realized it could be a branding opportunity—a platform to serve communities and organizations making a difference, especially during Arizona's 100th year celebration.
For Erika, the pageant world was not about narcissism or photo shoots. It was about stewardship. Yet the stigma of being a pageant girl has often worked against her. She doesn't even include it on her resume because people assume she's not intelligent, serious, or capable. Being blonde and from Scottsdale only compounds the stereotype.
More significantly, being a Christian in the pageant world tested her convictions. During her reign, culturally sensitive topics like gay marriage began dominating public discourse. Pageant coaches advised contestants to remain diplomatic, use phrases like "in my opinion," and avoid offending anyone. Erika refused to play that game. She recognized that compromising truth for a plastic crown would set a pattern of compromise she couldn't live with. If she was willing to lie to win, what else would she compromise?
She now tells pageant contestants who reach out privately—mortified about being asked questions on BLM, sex trafficking, or social issues—that they must decide: Are you willing to compromise the truth just to possibly win? If you win on a lie, you'll have to maintain that lie in every future interview. Consistency and authenticity matter more than crowns.
Education as a Tool for Truth
Erika attended Regis University in Denver on a basketball scholarship but quickly became frustrated. Her business professors had never owned their own companies and couldn't answer her questions—she was frequently kicked out of class for challenging them. Her economics professor particularly angered her because his explanations made no sense.
When she shared her frustration with her mother, the response was direct: "Do you want to make a difference? Then you need to understand policy." That conversation redirected Erika's academic path. She transferred to Arizona State University and pursued a double major in political science and international relations, graduating magna cum laude.
Erika realized that citizens are not taught in high school about their rights, their voice, or the importance of their vote. We become sheep listening to CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC without understanding the foundational principles of freedom. Her blood boiled in political science classes more than business classes, and she absorbed information not just to pass tests but to teach others what they were missing—connecting policy to history, rights, and even Scripture.
Her international relations focus came from recognizing that we live in a global economy. Whether through supply chains, business, or social media, everyone is connected internationally. Even posting a business photo online connects you to someone in Japan who might like it—you're involved in a global society whether you realize it or not.
Erika also pursued a Juris Master degree in American legal studies from Liberty University—not to become an attorney, but to understand contract law and defend legal terms. She was tired of seeing friends and family charged exorbitant fees just for legal consultations on simple questions. Now she can review contracts for family and friends, understanding exactly what they're signing.
Primary Calling vs. Functional Calling
Erika makes a crucial distinction that many Christians miss: the difference between primary and functional calling. Your primary calling is to God first and foremost—to spread the Good News, live for Christ, be involved in the church, and authentically reflect Him in your life. Your functional calling is your response to that primary calling—how you implement and incorporate God into your work, your passions, your daily life.
These are not separate categories. Erika is adamant: if she can't bring Jesus into the boardroom, into her modeling contracts, into her TV work, she wants nothing to do with it. She tells friends and family struggling with their calling to first ensure their hearts are in the right place serving the Lord, then understand their why and recognize they are gifted with purpose.
Here's the key insight Erika shares: you carry a different portion of Christ that someone else might not see if it wasn't through you. If we don't all come together as the body of Christ, if you don't bring your portion to the table, someone might miss out on seeing Jesus in full because you're not living unashamedly and fully for Him.
Frustration with the Compromising Church
Erika doesn't mince words: she is "unbelievably frustrated" with the church and "let down" by pastors. She sees shepherds who should be leading their sheep instead catering to seekers, compromising biblical truth to increase attendance and tithing.
She asks the hard question: How can pastors stand for victims of sex trafficking and voiceless people, then simultaneously march in the streets supporting organizations that want to legalize sex work, break down the nuclear family, and oppose everything the church stands for? Where is the line in the sand? What are pastors truly fighting for?
If pastors use cultural moments as opportunities to gain followers and fill pews, it will backfire. God sees what they're doing to His children. Erika hears parishioners at churches saying they wish they could speak truth to family and friends without being screamed at, but their own pastors won't model that boldness.
She also points out the hypocrisy of tolerance: if you're on the left with a strong opinion and someone on the right asks a simple question, you can't go off on them and still claim to be tolerant. True tolerance is proven by how you treat those who disagree with you.
Erika fell in love with non-denominational Christianity because of the bold preaching of the Gospel and the focus on the Holy Spirit. She asks: Where is that now? We need pastors to say, "No, we are not compromising on this." Instead, she hears pastors saying it's okay to just livestream church, that the body doesn't need to physically gather, that you can worship in your pajamas drinking coffee. That is not the power of the body of Christ. The church must stand firm and come together.
She praises the California Christians who brought church to the beach, to Home Depot, to Walmart when buildings were closed. That's the creativity and refusal to compromise that's needed. The devil is conniving and manipulative, so we must be creative, stand firm, and not compromise our faith and values just to avoid insulting someone.
Encouragement for Pastors Who Stand Firm
Despite her frustration, Erika expresses deep gratitude for pastors like Craig Rodgers who stand firm regardless of the cost. She tells Pastor Craig that God sees his heart and what he's doing, and although it might not seem to be producing much fruit now, it absolutely will in time. There are many pastors proud and grateful for his voice in the fight, and they need to come together to defend the Gospel.
Erika believes that as churches fully reopen, people will start hearing things from pulpits they didn't originally agree with, and the veil will be lifted. People will leave compromising churches and find churches that preach straight Scripture. She sees Pastor Craig's church as one strong church standing alone—and sometimes God just needs one, not four.
She reminds pastors of Jesus' words: "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, like they did the false prophets." If everyone loves you, something is wrong. Jesus was perfect and spoke truth in love, yet people hated Him so much they killed Him. Pastors must be willing to endure the same.
Tithing: Not Ours, But God's
Throughout her story, Erika returns to the lesson her mother taught her: money is not ours. Tithing literally means ten percent, and it's not a burden—it's a recognition that everything belongs to God. Erika has seen God's hand of blessing in her life every time she tithes, just as her mother did.
We are stewards, not owners. God blesses us to be a blessing to others, and when we honor Him with our finances, He multiplies the impact beyond what we could achieve on our own.
Bringing Jesus Everywhere
Erika's life is a testament to refusing compartmentalization. She doesn't have a "spiritual life" separate from her "work life" or "public life." Jesus goes with her into every contract negotiation, every modeling shoot, every business meeting, every podcast episode. If He's not welcome, neither is she.
This is the standard she calls every Christian to: live unashamedly for Christ in every arena. Don't hide your faith to avoid offense or gain opportunity. Stand firm, speak truth in love, and trust that God will open the doors He wants opened and close the ones He doesn't.
The culture is not our standard—Scripture is. We are called to be salt and light, to change the culture, not be changed by it. And that starts with each of us bringing our unique portion of Christ to the table, refusing to compromise, and trusting God with the results.
Video Transcript
[Music] [Applause] [Applause] so [Applause] welcome to calvary conversations my name is mariah and i'm here with pastor craig roders our very special guest grew up in scottsdale arizona she is an entrepreneur in 2006 everyday heroes like you was incorporated in 2012 she was crowned miss arizona and competed in the miss usa pageant she is the most passionate about her global ministry work in sustainable clothing line proclaim streetwear she is the host of the midweek rise up podcast philanthropist doctorate student agency represented model host and fellow at the fall kirk center she is currently pursuing a doctorate of education and christian leadership at liberty university her love and joy for god and others is inspiring and it's my honor and privilege to welcome the one and only erica franzvay so we would like to hear for our listeners who don't know a little bit about your upbringing okay great so i was born in ohio keep this really short born in ohio raised in scottsdale arizona um but upbringing especially with regards to faith was raised catholic i came from my mom was catholic everyone was catholic um and i just it was it was interesting growing up um my mom really pushed the importance of prayer i always had like my own little small little bible but um i don't know for all the catholics that are out there no offense but like you usually don't you usually have the priest read the bible for you and then it's not so you have a bible but i never really dug into it and opened it and really got into scripture when i was little but it was always in church with my mom um it was her raising me so as we were out here moved out here when i was five then my dad followed but we would always go to church together and i remember seeing because she was an entrepreneur and i remember seeing her work endless hours with her company and on sunday we would be sitting in the pew i never went to the kids portion of church i was always with her and the adult portion and i remember every time when the tithing tithing portion of the church came up and she would always write a check and i was like five or six and i would ask like mom nope like that's a lot and she's like honey and she would always put it in and i just kept watching her and every sunday and she would one day she just told me she was like erica it's not our money it's not ours like god has blessed us and he's blessed us to be a blessing other people and i'm a steward of this and she was like this it all comes back and and i that is something that i think god knew i needed to hear at a very young age because it stuck with me even when i was living in manhattan and understanding that this money is not mine and everything that comes through my bank account is for the lord and tithing is one of the most i tell you what tithing is a very interesting thing because when you do tithe you see the lord's hand and blessing in your life anyways just growing up i never understood why as a catholic like i had to go through all these different saints and mother mary in order to get to jesus um and there is there are some things within the catholic church that i loved i love the reverency of the church i love the um the structure of it i love that no matter where you go in the world no matter what catholic church you go to it's the same same type of program if you will of when you say these prayers when you stand up when you sit down when you pray and but ultimately it was one of those things where i knew that um it just i had my prayer life i had but there was something more and there it was the relationship with christ that i that i eventually obviously came to realize is what i really needed i was baptized i went through all the i went through you know the sacraments of of all of that sacraments of reconciliation all that i just never understood like why can't i go directly to jesus why do i have to you know tell my priest my sins instead of just saying it straight to straight to our lord so it was it was kind of that tug and pull growing up but again i still wore my saints i went to a catholic high school i went to a jesuit university for a few years so but growing up prayer was always the central part um regardless of faith regardless well you know what i mean when i say favor regardless of the label of whether you're a catholic or christian so you went every week i mean that's pretty amazing because i was a catholic but we were more creasters and when things you know christmas easter we did it we did it when things were bad but we didn't go every week so you're a really good catholic i mean i was a catholic where we just did it we just checked in twice a year and when things got bad like here we are and no it was it was one of those things that was very important to my mom and i think especially too since it was just her and i she really wanted to drive home the importance of how like church is a center part of your life um and and so i think another thing too and looking back on it the importance of the sabbath i think is something that's really overlooked these days and and to her that was something that was just you know we're going to church period like no if fans are amen so you get that back yeah because we know the last days hebrews 10 25 says there's gonna be forsaking and fellowshipping with other believers especially as the day the lord you know draws near and we need to really make sure that we really keep that especially with covid all this stuff some people are afraid you can watch online but we really need that body of christ hold us accountable to be like you said activated so we get spurred on to love and good deeds to really go out and not just stay hiding away in our homes you know right yeah right no for sure for sure so yeah it was it was uh she's always been um yeah god just knew i needed a mother like her and so you got your entrepreneur spirit and all that from your mom and so when did you start everyday heroes like you and can you share a little bit about everyday heroes like you i started that when i was in high school um again my mom we didn't have any family out here it's just her and i so she always we would either go servant soup kitchens or during the holiday season because we didn't have our other family members out here so um for me it was always the importance of giving back and so when i was in high school it was on my heart to do something i had no idea what but then i just grown growing up so my mom brings solutions to the table uh for problems and so i went to her and i said i want to make a difference and she said show me your business plan so we went from there i was able to um formulate the fact that i wanted to keep it ambiguous enough where i was able to connect donors to organizations and non-profits that were transparent that were boots on the ground that were making a difference that were transparent with their funds that weren't having the breakdown of 80 percent going to admin costs and 20 percent go into the cause or the cure uh so for me it was always about the authentic entrepreneur and philanthropist who is making a difference and teaming up with them and really being able to put them on a platform and expose them um to other people and be like look what these people are doing and this is how you can be involved because i found it so interesting in high school that uh at the i went to notre dame prep and we had to have a certain amount of community service hours in order to graduate and i a lot of my friends would just find a way to get those written off or you know they would forge them or which was mortifying looking back on it because it's like why would you want to compromise the opportunity to be a steward in your community because you just don't have time because it's just not convenient and that is heartbreaking and so i remember asking one of my friends i was like why why why would you choose to do that and i remember them saying well i want to make a difference i just don't know how and so for me that's was kind of the spurring moment of like okay well this is how there's 15 organizations that would love to have your help that would love to have you volunteer or love to have you be a part of whatever program they have going on so it was just that was kind of a birthing moment of that but from there we've i've we've expanded i helped support an orphanage in romania we have 92 little ones over there um the marine corps is over there that helps support bringing our christmas gifts to the little ones so cute uh but it's it's again it's been something that um i've never ever have written myself a paycheck from the organization that's not been my mission 100 of the proceeds that go through the organization go directly to where they're supposed to go um and i found more often than not it's easier and cleaner to request items and gifts of of like actual things and needs like if this if the kids in romania say i need a sweatshirt or we need school supplies i found that that is more um more how do i sit not um it's just more meaningful because someone's like instead of just writing a check everyone's actually taking the time to go out and purchase something knowing that it will go to the other person that we said was going to so it's just really big on transparency we've been been around for a while but um just is definitely something that was on my heart since i was little that's awesome hey can i ask you questions how'd you how did your mom choose phoenix so she chose to move to phoenix from ohio because there was more of a um an opportunity for a female business owner out here especially from the standpoint of she was getting involved with the government so homeland security and department of defense and so she had other business partners that were out here that were already in that industry even one that was a mentor of hers so it was it was really convenient to be able to come all together in one place to really have that but my father ended up moving out here as well because my grandparents had a home out in sun city and so um it took a little bit to get everyone out here it took several years but by that time everyone was out here so we had a little bit more family than just us so you went to notre dame prep and which is funny because i actually remember playing against them well it'll probably be different but i play basketball in high school and i remember they were so good and amazing it was always also the like seton catholic and all the like catholic schools were just like something about it just amazing i don't know what it was what was in the water but holy water right no no kidding i mean our team was horrible so maybe we were the outlier maybe we weren't getting right holy water we were just getting regular water um but uh no we i've notre dame was great we would high school what's up christian academy here in tucson okay remember i think we there was a ton of tucson classes yeah it was at a tucson classic at our place you guys might have played each other we probably played each other you guys have to play again see we'll see tucson against phoenix right right exactly but i was a point guard so i'm not a point guard no but so then you ended up playing basketball in college ncaa so you're pretty good at sports and athletics so you have that drive and that aggression probably so then you was it after that that's when you started pageants or when did that come about right so so the pageant world to me is something that it was an interesting season of life it was nothing that i was ever groomed for it was nothing that was ever on my radar um i i just yeah i wanted to play professional tomboy that was my thing ever since i was live like that was my i wanted to play and that's um that was all i wanted to do i was a gym rat for like a better term and um i remember getting something in the mail when i had come home from school one summer and it was like hey you should compete at miss arizona usa someone nominated you and i was like i don't know who would nominate me for that but okay so i shared it with my mom and i and we i was reviewing all the different things that you have to go through and i thought to myself if i were to ever win this um my the most important thing out of it would be to be able to make a difference with the title i don't care about the photo shoots i just want to be able to overbook myself being able to get involved with the local communities with the local organizations that are actually making a difference so the pageant world for me was something that was not a form of narcissism it was more along the terms of being a steward for my state especially as it hit our 100th year celebration and so i looked at it a little bit differently and i looked at it more as a branding opportunity rather than just being a typical pageant girl i don't even put it on my resume to be honest with you it was it's been it's something that actually plays against you when you're going in for a job role or when you're interviewing with someone because that stigma of a pageant girl is the complete opposite of who i am um so i didn't need to battle with that and the fact that i'm blonde and the fact that you know i've scottsdale all these things i'm just like forget it so so would you say the stigma they tend to think you're not intelligent because you're in a pat i mean what's the statement just that you're blonde you're not you they don't take you seriously like stuck up or yeah yeah not taking you seriously narcissism um just like what i don't i don't know just um just [Applause] because you are gorgeous for those who are just listening gorgeous on the outside so obviously it makes sense why you won miss arizona but also you are by far the smartest person like i know you are so wise and the kindest person so the only thing i know from pageants is miss congeniality and you also seem pretty tough too so that's how i'd picture you because like with your gun right [Music] i wish i could wear my sneakers the whole time i tell you what for a whole year you have to be dressed to the tens basically and right after my title was up i was in my sneakers and i have i very rarely wear heels if it just is not is not me but um the pageant you know some people say would you do it again um i i would uh though it's interesting though being a christian in the pageant world um because it's not it's not a normal thing from the standpoint of it really makes you really makes you stand up for the truth and it really tests your morals and your values because when you're on stage being interviewed or when you're and just in life in general it puts into perspective when someone asks you a question point blank do you believe in xyz and if you compromise the truth just to be able to get that job interview or just to be able to be on stage and get get a plastic crown on your head then what else are you willing to compromise for and so for me it was something that um you know really challenged and put into perspective what are your beliefs what do you stand for and what will you not believe about the question i don't know if you can answer this i'm gonna put down the beauty but did they did you did they put a pressure on you to kind of answer politically correct or did you just kind of know that i mean you know i'm sure i'm sure you know you said being a christian you know and speaking the truth and love you can be shredded but did you did they ever tell you that or did anyone say if you want to win you got to kind of have a generic you know you know hey world peace whatever yeah world peace and you know whatever if you're in the transition you know all love is love whatever you know but that did you did you just kind of feel that or did someone say that or did you just i mean i mean did you ever struggle with that in pageants no it's a great question that's a great question and i did struggle with it i absolutely did um i remember it was right when all of it's interesting it was right when all of the cultural i don't even know how the the cultural sensitive topics that we face today that are total trigger topics whether that's gay marriage whether that's um you know all the things on social media um it it kind of all started right then and there so a lot of the pageant coaches if you will or the the directors would they it kind of came out of left field where we were all kind of just well where do you where do you stand on this um i remember a lot of pageant coaches saying uh remain diplomatic remain uh if you do answer make sure you answer with in my opinion or i believe x y z buff and so you don't quote unquote insult someone so it was very uh pc it was very um like this is my opinion i'm not trying to oppose it on you like trying to play it out of i'm just trying to be neutral um now is the complete opposite i know a lot of pageant girls who've actually reached out to me privately who are conservative that are absolutely mortified of the questions that they're going to get on stage dealing with blm dealing with uh um sex trafficking dealing with everything that's going on crazy in the world right now and they're they're mortified because and i just tell them i say are you willing to compromise the truth just so that you could possibly win and while you win you you want on a lie because when you are asked those questions again in future interviews are you going to go back on what you said so it's just there has to be a consistency and there has to be an authenticity with with within that world um but yeah pageants they they really they're interesting i really really like what you said they're erica because it's like you know even in pastorate people say well i gotta say the things to get the voice then i'll tell the truth nope what you've strived to gain right pastor chuck smith who started calvary's howard chapel said would you strive to gain you strive to maintain so if you compromise the front end you're probably going to compromise on the back end right unless you unless you really get saved or something but it's like you so people think oh the end justifies the means no jesus said if you deny me four men i do not refer my father in heaven and we should just fear one person and that's god and trust him to protect us and give us the platform he wants you know as long as we're speaking the truth in love we've got to say hey it's i always say when people say about homosexuality they get mad at me they say your fight is not with me it's with god it's his word it's it's not me saying it it's me quoting it and i believe it but it's god saying it so you're really you're fights with god it's not with conservativism or christianity it's with i mean what christianity but it's it's with jesus it's with god does god have a right to tell me how i should live and then even matthew 10 33 says if you deny me before men i will deny you before my father in heaven like that's pretty intense and so i think that we don't realize that our job i forgot it was one man of god he said our job is to offend people like and yet that's shocking i wouldn't even but we just heard in the last podcast but the crazy thing about that is it's true jesus if you read the new testament he offended he was not pc he was jc jesus correct that's what we always like to say we want to be jc we want to not be afraid of offending people we want to tell them like luke 14 to count the costs that there's going to be persecution there's going to be trials we're not going to try to tell them it's going to be all cupcakes and roses it's not and so that's what i just am inspired by you because i see that in you i see that passion and that fire and we'll get into more of that later with your podcast and everything but the next thing i wanted to um ask you about is your degrees so you graduated magna laude with a double major in political science and international relations at the arizona state university in phoenix and then you attended so you're proving them you're not just good looking you are smart you are wise go girl go girl and then you graduate liberty university with a master's degree in american legal studies which is very awesome and amazing so you can represent like some special person in your life exactly i know right and so can you tell us about how you chose those degrees and the difference between your primary calling which you talk about in your podcast and then your functional calling what how do you how would you tell someone trying to figure that out for sure so i'll answer the question first about school um i growing up with a family of entrepreneurs especially my parents that was my textbook and when i first started going to regis university in denver on my basketball scholarship i recognized that the teachers that were teaching me about business had never ever in their own life of their own company and so i would get kicked out of class multiple times asking questions that they could not answer but the class that i was always kicked out of was uh economics because that was my first taste in the political science uh category if you will for class and the things that he was saying did not make any sense and so i remember going home before i transferred to asu and i remember telling my mom all about my classes and she looked at me and she was like do you want to make a difference and i said well of course i do and she was like then you need to understand policy excuse me she said you need to understand policy and it didn't hit me until i actually started taking more political science elective courses to understand that there are so many things that we as citizens do not understand or are not taught in in high school that really highlight the importance of our rights and highlight the importance of our voice and highlight the importance of our vote that when we just become kind of these sheep that are listening to the cnns and the fox news and the msnbc [Laughter] no no you're fine it's true though because we just get so caught up in these media platforms but um long story short it was one of those things where i i could feel my blood boiling in all of my political science classes more than i did in my business classes and from that standpoint i knew that that's kind of where i needed to be because i could just feel myself absorbing the information to a point that was not of well i passed this test it was the absorption of information of i need to tell people what they are not understanding and show them through history and show them through our rights and through um even even correlating that to a scripture like how important it is to understand our freedoms and so for me um i really understood too the reason why i got the international relations uh double major is because we are not just within our own borders i mean we are dealing with a global economy whether you're a part of a supply chain whether you have your own company you are in some way involved with someone else in another country whether you know it or not even on social media you post a photo for your business there's someone in japan who probably likes your photo and you have that so automatically you're involved whether you know it or not in a global society so for me it was the really the importance of of understanding that and incorporating that into my into my world and lifestyle and i have to be honest with you when i first started um school and then even when i graduated and was even you know competing in the pageant there were some questions that came up about legalizing marijuana and all these things that i have changed tone on because i have seen again when it all first came to start we were all trying to figure out what the right in quotation marks the right you know response was to each thing and as you see how these laws that get passed play out in society it it puts in a perspective what you should and should not be voting on or what you should and should be standing for and something that i would have thought would have been good uh is used for bad or vice versa so it was interesting for me to have that perspective and background and understanding because a lot of things happen in the kingdom of dc and you have to understand that um whoever you vote for in your local primary and your local politics is just as important your school board members your mayors um and i think even with the the virus that's happened recently with with president trump giving the governors the power of deciding what they're going to do and how they're going to handle their state really puts into perspective who did you vote for and why did you vote for them because your company and your business might not be open because of the person you put into office so um it's it's just interesting to me that that that was kind of um that was kind of the forefront understanding um when i was first getting those degrees but when it comes to the juris master i didn't want to be an attorney i didn't want to be a lawyer but i wanted to still understand contract law and i wanted to be able to understand and defend specific legal terms and i was so tired of seeing my friends and family who had just a brief question of what what are my rights in this what are my rights in this contract and having a attorney say it's going to cost x y and z for you to even have a consult with us and it just made me sick to my stomach and i was like you know what it was only a few years of of learning and it was well worth it um but i i it's something that i i would not regret because now when i look at contracts whether that's family or friends i'm able to understand uh what exactly they're signing up for so i i really don't think that i really made a bad decision there because they all kind of go together but when it comes to your calling um and like and like i was talking about in one of my episodes there there is a difference between your primary and your functional calling and your primary calling is to god first and foremost your primary calling is to spread the good news and to live your life for christ and live your life out in the body of christ and be involved with the church and um authentically living in a way that reflects that and when it comes to your functional calling um that's your response to that calling to the primary calling and how are you going to implement and incorporate god into your work into your life into what you are quote-unquote passionate about because there's not one or the other and that's something that i've always been very adamant about is that if i can't bring jesus with me into the boardroom into my modeling um contracts into my tv stuff if i can't bring jesus with me in there i don't want anything to do with it and and so that's been something that you know i've i really try to tell my friends and family when they're asking what where do i go what is my calling what am i supposed to do and i always tell them you know first and foremost make sure that your heart is in the right place obviously you know serving the lord but when it comes to your functional calling um really understand your why and really understand that you are gifted with a purpose and a reason to be able to incorporate those gifts that are so needed because you have to understand too you carry with you a different um a different not not perspective or personality but a different portion of christ that someone else might not be able to see if it wasn't through you so if we don't all have all of us coming together as a body of christ and you don't bring your portion at the table someone might miss out on a piece of seeing jesus in full technicolor because you're not you know living unashamedly and you're not um you know living fully for christ so anyways long story short that's uh that's been something that's really been on my heart is to make sure that i i don't ever compromise and i don't know i tend to make long quest questions really complicated but anyway i want to ask you this so you you know what talk about being bold standing up for christ bringing christ over you i've heard charlie and i want to put this on you but i think you'll probably agree that the church has gotten very pc very apathetic i want to hear your your view since you're not a pastor right and you know and charlie's not pastor but you see churches right so what's your thing of like we're saying christians really need to bring christ to the table right and everything they do what why what's your kind of take on how has the church become because you know the cost of standing up for christ there's contracts you lose there's friends that say whoa you don't believe in gay marriage what's wrong with you you're you're bigot so how what what would you say to your perspective kind of not being in the clergy or you know a pastor's wife but you just you see a lot of church you travel a lot i'm sure so what how is the church become like the sleeping giant i always say this just so you kind of know where i'm going i'm answering my own question but i always say how that you know everyone else is coming out of the closet right no one's ashamed of being queer weird whatever but but we are getting pushed in the closet and i say you know we gotta come out of the clock you know we gotta go hey you know i'm i'm gonna speak the truth and love about jesus and i'm not ashamed and i thought because you know i always say tolerance means that i agree to disagree with you right because i wouldn't have to tolerate you if i agree with you so if i disagree with you i have to tolerate you and respect your right to be wrong or at least i think you're wrong but so what do you what say you on that about how what would you say to the church to the people that are like i can't speak about abortion i can't talk about gay marriage and what god's intend and what god intends marriage to be let's say you on that it's a great question i am so frustrated with the church unbelievably frustrated with the church i am let down yep pastors and and yeah pastors in the church but pastors more importantly because they are supposed to be are our shepherds in all of this and i forgive me if this is not politically correct or if i'm not saying the right thing but i just feel like a lot of the pastors are um trying to speak more to the seekers than they are their own sheep and it's very frustrating um to me because how can you as a pastor stand for the victims of sex trafficking stand for the the lost voices the people who don't do not have a voice how can you stand for all of that but then also simultaneously march in the streets and support an organization if you will for a lack of a better term putting that very loosely and lightly for an organization that absolutely is the opposite of that and and wants to legalize sex working and wants to break down the nuclear family and wants to break down uh things that our church firmly stands for and so for me it's it's just like what where is your line in the sand and what are you truly fighting for because if you're trying to use this as an opportunity to gain followers and to be able to have more people in your pews and to be able to have an increase in tithing it is going to have the opposite effect of that because in the long run jesus and and god sees everything and sees you sees really what you're doing to his his children and it's it's not it's just disheartening like it makes me speechless at times because i we go to some of these churches and you hear um you know some of the parishioners saying i wish that i could say this to my family or to my friends without getting screamed at and there's no tolerance when it comes to if you if you and i forg forgive me for saying this but if you're on the left and you have a very strong opinion and someone on the right even asks you a simple question and you go off punches like and you can't defend that it just goes to show who truly is tolerable and who you experience themselves the tolerant people right i mean they're they accept they accept everyone tolerance except christians and conservatives so you don't tolerate that yeah everyone but them right exactly no it's true but it's it's one of those things where i think even too coming from the catholic church into the christian church the reason why i even fell in love with the whole non-denominational side of being a follower and lover and for christ was i loved how boldly they preached the gospel and how and how on fire they were for christ and how the holy spirit was just so focused on and i'm just like where is that now like we need it more than ever we need our pastors to be like no this is we are not compromising on this and and it's so disheartening to see more and more like oh it's okay we'll just continue to live stream and then be like if we the church doesn't have to get together you know we can just be together online and and you can sit in your pajamas and drink your coffee and be able to enjoy worship time that way and it's just like no that's not that is not the power in the body of christ we all need to come together the church needs to stand firm and come together and i love that you know in california all those christians went to the beach you know what bring church yeah you're right church is not a building we're going to bring the body of the church to home depot and walmart and we are going to do our services there and it's just like it's one of those things where we have to the devil is so conniving and so sly and so manipulative and it's like we have to also be very creative stand very firm but also find ways that we are not compromising our faith and our values just so that we don't insult someone else um and and and call them out for what they are but it's disheartening and i just have to say thank you so much pastor craig and and to your family too for literally standing the line standing firm god sees that god sees your heart god sees what you're doing at the church and although right now it might not seem that it's producing much fruit it absolutely will in the time to come because there are so many pastors out there that are so proud and grateful to have your voice in this fight with them because we need to all come together as that specific group to empower and show you know this is this is what needs to be happened happening stand firm and we're all coming together to defend and defend the gospel so thank you for you even was you were able to even do a podcast on that stand and it was after i talked to you and then i showed my dad and he was so blessed because that encouraged him because you're saying it doesn't matter how big you are of a church because for us because my i've seen my dad not compromise when he could have he could have had elders and people pay for our building and do this but knowing that they were doing things that were not biblical and they didn't have any grounds to be an elder biblically and all these things and yet we see so many churches nowadays compromising like you said to get butts in the seat really what it is and with all the amenities and the lights and all these things but what i've seen in my dad and i'm very proud of him is that he just wants to stand for truth and no matter what the cost is what's going to happen whether or not we even struggle which we've never even had problem financially with that because we believe that god has always always provided for us and that's why we're so thankful and i love that you brought up tithing too because we always tell people it's not just for us it blesses you and you've seen that with your stuff with your mom it's like i love how this one community said tied literally means ten percent so when you can't give like a 2d you can't give a three 20. he was saying he's saying it's not even yours i love how you said it too it's not even yours and we want to talk about that okay i want to say one thing though yeah thank you so much that really encourages me because sometimes i do feel like because i i was i was a pastor you know back i came here in 86 in tucson i was at a church it was the biggest church in town and so i was supposed to take it over and so it's you know my peak has been like up and then you know but it's like because i've never seen the culture so crazy at least in tucson and yet i saw kind of the jesus movement of calvary the hippie movement i saw it i was saved out of that so i saw the radical someone i was a drug dealer one day next day i'm a radical follower of christ i mean we need to see that again because this culture is so nuts but i really like the scriptures thinking when you're talking about not compromising for pastors the verse that really hits me a couple verses but one verse that hit me while you're talking is where jesus said woe to you when all men speak well of you like they did the false prophets so when everyone loves you you got to go hmm something's wrong because think about jesus who is perfect who who yes like mariah said did he offend yeah but it wasn't because he didn't speak the truth in love it wasn't because he was he lost it you know what i mean like charlie would joke i lost a little bit if i try not to you know but jesus never blew it and yet they hated him so much they killed him so i always go i'm still not that good because i've never made it people have threatened to kill me i've had threats but no one's killed me yet so i guess i'm still i'm not really i'm not doing it but anyway but yeah we got death threats but you know so but i mean it's just we need that wasn't one person said that the problem with our pastors today is their event jellyfish you know they don't have a spine you know they just kind of say yeah whatever it's like they're like clinton remember clinton would say okay i need to take a poll to see what i'm supposed to believe it's like we have a book that tells us exactly what to believe and we need to we need to change the culture now that the culture changes us we need to be salt and light to the culture amen that's very thanks for saying that it's so good to hear you saying that because sometimes i love these pockets because sometimes i feel all alone you know really because we are smaller i feel alone and i feel and i hear you know when i heard when i heard uh um uh charlie talking at jack kibb's church and we're saying oh record attendance record offering like well golly i guess that's not me but you know what i mean we have attendance we've kind of you know tenants people are starting to come back but it's just been hard and it seems like the majority of the churches in this area have really compromised like i said the don't ask don't tell we don't talk about that we don't i wouldn't call them i wouldn't call them prosperity doctor not joel osteen but they're kind of the let's just not talk about the tough issues let's not get charlie kirk because he's gonna be too divisive we can't do that it's just gonna you know i'm like well you know if you know anything about and i'm sure charlie knows this and you probably knows but it was the black road robe regiment it was the pastors who talked about rebelling against uh england it was the pastors that were preaching that's why you see patriots the pastor i mean i don't know if you know george millenberg he was in that he used to be right at the entrance of the capitol dome and and he was the pastor who preached you know jesus and then said you've got to stand up and he had his sword and to pull off his robe and had the whatever the blue uniform for the forget now the the rebels but you know not the rebels but those who fought and uh so we need to get that back we need pastors to fight who you know not be jerks of course not be contentious for conte just to be on cnn or just to be able to be a voice right right we need to just really say we're here to change the culture we're here to make sense you know and that's what we want to do is give an account for the hope within us we want to say hey there is a reasonable hope i mean you know it's i love what charlie said at jack church they can have they have the government they have everything they have all this but they don't have truth and we have to believe that jesus is not a truth he says i am the way the truth and the life and no one comes up we have to stand for that we have to know we have to lovingly but confidently say we're not debate we're not going to say ooh your truth is just as important you know it's equal to mine but we say okay hear your truth respect your opinion but here's what god says and anyway i'm preaching the choir sorry it's just good to hear someone say that i think that is not a pastor yeah i know and i think i'm actually in this in some weird way and and i i'm gonna try and explain this as i'm thinking of it is that i'm actually grateful that you guys are kind of on an island on your own because it shows how how truthful and and real and how straight to scripture and how straight to jesus you guys are because god knew that it's just he just needed one he just needed one church and that's you guys he didn't need four he needed just one strong church and i feel like people will start coming back leaving those other churches and coming to you guys because they're gonna realize very soon once churches and everything does you know fully open back up they're gonna start hearing some things in the pulpit that they did not originally agree with going into the whole lockdowns and shutdowns and i really think that that the veil is gonna be lifted and people are just gonna be like you know what this is this is i'm not going from here to here to here to here i'm going from here to here you know it's not like they're gonna confirm that what you're saying what's really neat we have it's kind of cool the good positive thing of coronavirus of especially all the shutdown is the liberal churches are really shut down they're not opening you know until maybe august august end of august we have those people coming to our church they go whoa this is he goes one guy goes we like this this is i mean it's intense i mean i preach for an hour which you know everyone's what's everyone's doing 20 minutes i got the i'm doing i say you get you get three sermons for the price of one and then we worship for a half hour so it's an hour and a half two hours service and people are like didn't you get the memo we went in and out in an hour and i'm like the puritans as you might know puritans used to preach for an hour to three hours and i'm going and they didn't have internet and tv all the liberal media if they needed an hour to three hours we probably could use at least an hour right to try to renew our minds and the washing of the word you know i said you know come on i mean i'm not going to give you a 20 minute my intro is 20 minutes i need you to prayers if you ever in tucson you have a church right you have rob what's his name mccoy i've met him before i don't know him but i met him at calvary's conference but do you have a church down here just know that you guys are always welcome to come in and pop in anytime you want thank you no we definitely we will absolutely take you up on that and and we're going to figure out a sunday that works so that we can be out there because i think it's really important that we all stand together and come together right now more than ever so for sure 100 thank you so much for joining our part one interview with erica franzway please make sure to like subscribe and share this video if you would like to listen to us wherever you get your podcast just type in calvary conversations also follow us on instagram by just typing in calvary conversations join us next week for our part two with erica franzway thanks so much and god bless you
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