JFK All Over Again? Roger Stone Explains Charlie Kirk’s Assassination | Redacted News

[00:00] Well, it seems we're getting more

[00:01] questions than answers into the

[00:03] assassination of Charlie Kirk. The FBI

[00:05] wants us to believe their official

[00:06] narrative. Tyler Robinson was the

[00:08] shooter. He's not cooperating with

[00:10] police. And within that short timeline,

[00:12] they managed to lock up the case.

[00:14] Nothing to see here. He's a lone gunman.

[00:15] He fired a 306 round into Charlie Kirk.

[00:18] Where's the exit wound? Why was Charlie

[00:21] Kirk receiving death threats? We now

[00:22] learn just a few days before he was

[00:25] assassinated. His right-hand man, Frank,

[00:27] who was there in the car holding his

[00:29] body as he passed away, admitted that

[00:32] Charlie was receiving death threats in

[00:34] the days ahead of time, and he told him

[00:36] to increase his security detail. We're

[00:38] also learning some interesting

[00:39] information about that security detail,

[00:41] the Schaefer Group. We wanted to bring

[00:43] in Roger Stone. He's a best-selling

[00:45] author of The Man Who Killed Kennedy,

[00:47] the case against LBJ. Roger knows all

[00:50] about how people can conspire to kill a

[00:54] man. And this is really an interesting

[00:56] template into looking at Charlie Kirk's

[00:59] life. Roger has a lot of questions over

[01:01] the past few days after the passing of

[01:03] Charlie Kirk. Roger, good to have you

[01:04] back on the show. Great to be with you.

[01:07] You know, having written this book on

[01:08] the Kennedy assassination. I've also

[01:11] just finished a book uh on the attempted

[01:14] assassination of President Ronald

[01:16] Reagan. It'll be out before the end of

[01:18] the year, I think by Christmas. uh

[01:21] having studied very closely the

[01:24] assassinations of Senator Robert Kennedy

[01:26] and Dr. King. Uh there's just a lot of

[01:28] recurring patterns here. Uh obviously in

[01:32] the case of Kennedy, the lack of an exit

[01:35] wound has confounded historians uh and

[01:38] JFK researchers for decades. It's not

[01:41] possible for Siran Syrian to have shot

[01:44] Senator Robert Kennedy. He was always in

[01:46] front of Kennedy. But the autopsy by

[01:49] Thomas Naguchi, one of the most

[01:50] respected pathologists, then the LA

[01:53] medical examiner, said that RFK was shot

[01:56] at pointblank range from behind in the

[01:59] lower left skull. That would be with the

[02:01] barrel right up against his skin. Uh,

[02:03] and in the case of Ronald Reagan, John

[02:05] Hinckley Jr. is always in front of

[02:07] Reagan, crouching, meaning bullets came

[02:10] from the front and an upward trajectory.

[02:12] yet, as I will prove in medical records.

[02:15] Reagan was hit from above and behind.

[02:18] Uh, and so it is with Charlie Kirk. I've

[02:21] tried to focus on this this as a

[02:24] two-part question. What happened? And

[02:27] then to try to determine who was behind

[02:29] it. As you point out, the FBI has

[02:32] wrapped this up very quickly. They told

[02:34] us in seven days Jay Ghoover told us

[02:37] that Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone nut uh a

[02:40] communist, that was his motive, killed

[02:43] JFK. Virtually no one believes that

[02:45] today. Once again, the FBI tells us a

[02:48] lone killer, a radicalized leftist

[02:52] shooting from the top of the building.

[02:54] But between the dissembling of his

[02:56] rifle, the changing of his clothes,

[02:59] there's a lot of questions there. And

[03:01] then I've really tried to consult with

[03:03] both doctors who are experts on bullet

[03:06] wounds uh as well as sportsmen and

[03:09] marksmen uh and virtually all of them

[03:12] question the lack of an exit wound very

[03:16] much like in the JFK situation would be

[03:19] very rare uh given the facts that we've

[03:23] been presented. So uh you know now you

[03:25] got all kinds of other theories. You've

[03:27] heard the theory that the driver of

[03:29] Kennedy's limousine turned around and

[03:31] shot him with a daringer. That's not

[03:34] true. Uh but you'll certainly find it

[03:36] all over the internet. Uh now you're you

[03:39] hear of trap doors and the possibility

[03:42] that he had an exploding microphone. I

[03:44] haven't even had time to look at those

[03:46] theories, but at this point I think

[03:48] everything should be considered and the

[03:50] people deserve the truth.

[03:53] We learned we learned over the past 24

[03:55] hours that Charlie Kirk said that the

[03:57] Israelis provide the best security and

[04:01] there's a apparently you know a deleted

[04:02] portion of his interview with Bill Maher

[04:05] that has surfaced from April where we

[04:07] learned that Charlie's security on the

[04:09] day of his assassination was an Israeli

[04:11] owned or a Zionistowned Schaffefer

[04:13] security group um who apparently ended

[04:16] their contract with T turning points USA

[04:19] back in 2022 but suddenly showed up for

[04:22] this event. I haven't been able to

[04:24] verify this yet. Have you heard any news

[04:26] about his security detail? And would you

[04:27] be looking at them in any way? I mean,

[04:29] we've heard from Frank, you know, his

[04:30] right-hand man, that these guys were

[04:31] incredible. They grabbed him, threw him

[04:33] right in the truck. They threw him right

[04:34] in the SUV. They were incredible on that

[04:36] day.

[04:38] >> Well, obvious questions. First of all,

[04:40] why was there no effort to to seal off

[04:43] the crime scene? You see people grabbing

[04:46] hats. You see the entire crime scene

[04:49] being contaminated. No security

[04:51] professional would have allowed that.

[04:53] Why the rush to rem remove the camera

[04:55] behind him? Why did it have to be done

[04:57] virtually immediately after he was

[05:00] slain? I find both those things again

[05:03] extraordinarily

[05:04] uh suspicious given this vaunted

[05:07] reputation of his security team. Uh, and

[05:11] then all of the watching, look at the

[05:14] those uh those messages on Discord that

[05:17] are allegedly between Tyler Robinson uh

[05:21] and his transgendered boyfriend,

[05:24] girlfriend, whatever. Um, they sure read

[05:26] like they were AI generated to me.

[05:29] They're a little too pat a little too

[05:31] perfect. They certainly don't reflect

[05:34] somebody who's in a hurry by any means.

[05:36] Perfect grammar, perfect punctuation.

[05:38] Little strange. So again, I'm wondering

[05:42] whether, as in the Kennedy situation,

[05:44] we're being handed this package with a

[05:46] nice wrapped up bow, uh, radicalized

[05:49] leftist acting alone from the top of the

[05:52] building, leaves a rifle where it can

[05:54] obviously be found, somehow assemble,

[05:57] disassembles it, reassembles it. Very

[06:00] strange. Very, very strange.

[06:02] Yesterday on the show, my uh my lovely

[06:05] wife and co-host uh broke down and kind

[06:07] of went through uh the timeline, which

[06:10] that has been one of the most troubling

[06:11] pieces of this, Roger, which is this

[06:13] weird, you know, it happens on

[06:15] Wednesday, September 10th at 12:30,

[06:17] 12:23.

[06:19] 33 hours later, um the alleged shooter

[06:22] turns himself in. Hours later, the

[06:25] roommate is picked up. And then Friday,

[06:27] right at 8 am, the governor of Utah

[06:30] comes right out at 8 am. So that 8 hour

[06:33] timeline after the roommate is picked up

[06:35] at 11:30 p.m. to the 8:00 a.m. the next

[06:38] morning, suddenly the Utah governor is

[06:40] out there at the podium saying, "We got

[06:41] him. We're all good. The roommate was

[06:43] released. Nothing to see here. We got

[06:45] our man and we're done." The timeline

[06:47] that it really makes zero sense to us

[06:50] here at Redacted. What do you make of

[06:52] the the hours that had passed and the

[06:54] quick the the the

[06:56] quickness? I mean, you're you're still

[06:58] investigating the Kennedy assassination

[06:59] from all of these decades later, but

[07:01] they're done in 8 hours after they get

[07:03] his roommate. We're done. We're good.

[07:04] Nothing to see here. Roger.

[07:06] >> Yeah. No, it is interesting. Uh almost

[07:08] immediately after JFK was killed, uh

[07:12] Lyndon Johnson is now president. It's

[07:14] before and he's been sworn in, but he

[07:16] never needed to be sworn in. That was a

[07:18] that was just to twist the knife in

[07:20] Bobby Kennedy because he automatically

[07:22] became president upon John F. Kennedy

[07:24] being declared dead. So that whole scene

[07:27] that staged in Air Force One was

[07:29] completely unnecessary. Or it was to

[07:32] pass the impromater of power to LBJ and

[07:35] put Jacqueline Kennedy's stamp on it by

[07:38] making her stand there. She's heavily

[07:40] sedated still splattered with her

[07:42] husband's blood. But in the immediate

[07:45] aftermath of Kennedy being killed at

[07:47] Parkland Hospital, uh the new president

[07:50] is in the elevator with Malcolm Kilduff,

[07:53] who's a spokesman for the president, the

[07:55] deputy press secretary. And Kildoff says

[07:57] to Johnson, "Who would do such a

[07:59] horrible thing, Mr. President? Who would

[08:01] kill our president?" And Johnson says,

[08:04] "It was a it was a Russian, son." He

[08:08] says, "A Russian." What kind of Russian?

[08:10] A Russian communist son. Now, this is

[08:13] before the FBI has announced uh that Lee

[08:17] Harvey Oswalt has been apprehended. So,

[08:20] I think I've seen this movie before.

[08:24] Right. We're getting this information.

[08:25] What we we were also getting news

[08:27] reports before um before we had official

[08:30] confirmation from overseas. We've seen

[08:33] this before. We saw this in the case of

[08:35] I think of the Kennedy assassination.

[08:37] We've seen this in in other cases as

[08:39] well on 911. um reports pouring in from

[08:43] overseas before the United States even

[08:45] had a chance to respond. Um I guess one

[08:49] of the other big pieces of this I want

[08:51] to kind of circle back on this exit

[08:52] wound piece. You know, so many online

[08:55] sort of keyboard cowboys are trying to,

[08:58] you know, point out that he was shot

[09:00] from the side, that this exit, what you

[09:02] see in his neck, of course, is the exit

[09:04] wound. Um that he was shot in the chest.

[09:06] It traveled up, hit his spinal column,

[09:08] and exited through his neck. That's

[09:10] piece of, you know, fragment from the

[09:12] exit wound. Your focus has been on this

[09:15] exit wound question. So, what do you

[09:17] make of the videotapes of him being shot

[09:19] and speaking to the different experts

[09:21] that you've been speaking to?

[09:23] >> Uh, they all point out that in their

[09:25] belief there should have been a more

[09:26] prominent exit room and some blood

[09:28] splatter from that exit wound. Virtually

[09:31] every doctor I've talked to who

[09:33] specializes uh in gun wounds and

[09:36] gunshots have said the same thing. Now,

[09:39] some have argued that the ammunition,

[09:41] the round may have not been what we

[09:43] think it is, but almost all of them have

[09:46] said we need not just an autopsy, but we

[09:48] need a what they call a CT, a a

[09:52] comtology study that basically does a

[09:55] computer image of the body from every

[09:57] angle. And that that would be

[09:59] extraordinarily telling. Now, they're

[10:01] rarely done on people who have actually

[10:04] been killed. They're usually done on

[10:06] people who are still alive and still

[10:08] that they're trying to save. But in this

[10:10] case, every doctor I've talked to

[10:12] thought that that would be necessary to

[10:15] try to determine the actual cause of

[10:17] death. Uh and that the the whether he

[10:20] was killed by a bullet and whether that

[10:22] bullet had a specific upward or downward

[10:26] trajectory.

[10:28] >> What about the medical examiner's

[10:29] report, Roger? Where are we at with

[10:31] that? And

[10:33] you know, we saw in the case of Matthew

[10:36] Krooks after Butler, Pennsylvania, his

[10:38] body was cremated almost, you know,

[10:40] pretty pretty quickly. His apartment was

[10:42] wiped clean. Do you think we're in the

[10:44] same mode of a cover up here or do you

[10:46] think we're actually going to see a

[10:47] medical examiner's report in full

[10:48] details and transparency?

[10:51] >> Well, I think this is the great beauty

[10:53] of the internet. I mean, they were able

[10:54] to keep a very focused and controlled

[10:56] narrative regarding John F. Kennedy's

[10:59] murder, for example. Uh, we still have

[11:01] so many unanswered questions about

[11:03] Butler, Pennsylvania. Yet, we've moved

[11:06] on in a certain sense. Very few people

[11:08] still asking those questions. I think

[11:11] this remains to be seen. The government

[11:12] has their narrative, but let's take an

[11:14] example. The Wall Street Journal

[11:16] breathlessly reported that one of the

[11:19] casing shells had some transgendered

[11:22] slogan or theme on it. Uh yet the the

[11:25] government's claim is that there was

[11:27] just one uh Antifa oriented etching on

[11:31] one of the of the shells. I don't know

[11:34] to this day which one of those is

[11:35] correct. I think the Wall Street Journal

[11:37] is wrong. But then that would determine

[11:40] or show that the narrative that they

[11:43] want us to choose uh is that

[11:45] transgendered activism, radicalism is

[11:49] responsible as the motive for the

[11:51] killing of Charlie Kirk.

[11:53] Do you think Tyler Robinson pulled the

[11:55] trigger? Do you think he's the one

[11:56] responsible solely?

[11:58] Uh

[11:59] >> I I don't. But that's just a personal

[12:01] opinion and it's a preliminary one.

[12:03] Again, I I don't Charlie Kirk was a very

[12:06] good friend of mine. Uh, I didn't know

[12:08] him until he reached out to me after 29

[12:11] heavily armed FBI agents stormed my home

[12:13] at 6:00 in the morning to arrest me for

[12:16] the non-existent crime of lying to

[12:18] Congress about Russian collusion that we

[12:21] now know never actually happened. How

[12:23] can you actually do that? Uh, and he

[12:25] befriended me, became both a public and

[12:26] a private advocate for clemency in my

[12:29] case, an advocate for my unconditional

[12:31] pardon. Uh, I love the man. Uh, I spoke

[12:34] at most of his large conferences. uh he

[12:37] was very very good to me. So this is you

[12:39] know I don't want to I don't want to

[12:41] dance on his grave. I'm not looking to

[12:44] you know to to push myself into the

[12:46] narrative but having written two books

[12:49] now on presidential assassinations uh

[12:51] and worked with Anna Pina Luna

[12:53] congresswoman from Florida who's doing

[12:55] an extraordinary job still trying to

[12:58] wrench information out of the out of the

[13:00] national security apparatus on the

[13:02] Kennedy assassination. She still doesn't

[13:04] have everything she's asked for,

[13:06] everything the president has ordered

[13:08] released. Uh it's it's a subject that I

[13:10] know quite a bit about and frankly I'm

[13:12] not going to stop my inquiries until

[13:15] I've sati satisfied myself that either

[13:17] the government's version of events is

[13:19] true or it isn't true.

[13:23] >> Well, I guess I'll let I'll leave you

[13:25] with this, Roger, which is a question I

[13:26] asked you many months ago when we had

[13:28] you on to talk about JFK specifically,

[13:30] but who do you think is responsible for

[13:31] the death of Charlie Kirk?

[13:35] too early to for me to say. Uh it could

[13:37] very well be a radicalized leftist.

[13:39] That's possible. Maybe their maybe their

[13:41] theory is right. Look, I do have a very

[13:44] high regard for Cash Patel. I know him

[13:45] well. Uh and I think he's a person of

[13:48] integrity. Be very hard for me to figure

[13:50] out why he would say something that

[13:52] wasn't true. Uh at the same time,

[13:55] Charlie Kirk was uh was was becoming

[13:59] increasingly important on the

[14:01] international stage. Uh I know for a

[14:04] fact that things our mutual friend

[14:05] Tucker Carlson uh and others have said

[14:09] about the pressures on Charlie regarding

[14:12] Middle Eastern issues was very very

[14:14] true. Look, there was a lot of

[14:16] disagreement within our movement about

[14:18] what to do regarding the Iranians

[14:20] development of a nuclear weapons

[14:23] capability. Uh and I think the president

[14:26] in the end kind of took the middle

[14:28] course which was the right thing to do.

[14:30] surgical strike. Uh, no boots on the

[14:33] ground. No long-term commitment. Not a

[14:35] single American service person loses

[14:38] their life. I'm fairly convinced that we

[14:41] did do serious damage to their weapons

[14:44] development program. Think that turned

[14:46] out to be exactly the right decision.

[14:48] But you'll remember there was huge

[14:49] debate within our movement about whether

[14:52] the president should do this about or

[14:54] not. And whether Charlie Kirk got

[14:56] himself on the wrong side of people

[14:57] within that debate, I think that remains

[15:00] to be seen. There were some indications

[15:01] based on my own conversations with him

[15:03] that there were people who were

[15:05] supporters of his who were unhappy with

[15:07] his questioning of whether that was the

[15:10] right thing to do.

[15:12] >> And you know, I didn't know Charlie as

[15:13] well as you did. Um, but I do know that

[15:15] he did he wasn't the type of person

[15:17] given to hyperbole, you know, just to

[15:19] fluff himself up and make him seem he

[15:22] was telling people in private that there

[15:23] were death threats as he was telling

[15:25] Frank that there were significant death

[15:27] threats against his life. I hope that

[15:28] the FBI is forthcoming with that

[15:31] information. Who specifically was

[15:32] threatening his life? And were these

[15:34] just keyboard cowboys or were there was

[15:36] there a legitimate reason that he needed

[15:38] to beef up his security in the days

[15:40] before the assassination? So, I hope we

[15:42] get these answers. Um, Roger, any final

[15:45] thoughts?

[15:46] >> Yeah, this I guess this we need to know

[15:49] the full and complete truth. I'm still

[15:51] not satisfied with what we know about

[15:53] Butler. It's amazing to me that the

[15:55] trial of the man who tried to kill

[15:57] Donald Trump in the West Palm Beach uh

[16:00] golf course is going on, even as we

[16:02] speak, is getting virtually no media

[16:05] attention whatsoever. Virtually none.

[16:08] Most people don't even know what's

[16:09] happening. Uh, and there are even more

[16:11] questions about him and that incident

[16:13] than there are about Butler in many

[16:15] ways. So, uh, I think we need to

[16:17] continue to seek the truth. It's why

[16:19] programs like this are so vitally

[16:21] important. We're asking questions here.

[16:23] We're not making final assertions. We're

[16:25] asking important questions. But at the

[16:27] end of the day, we need those answers.

[16:30] >> Well, I encourage you all to read the

[16:32] book. It's a great book, The Man Who

[16:33] Killed Kennedy, The Case against LBJ.

[16:35] It's incredibly eye opening. It answers

[16:37] a lot of questions. Roger Stone, great

[16:39] to have you here on the show as always

[16:40] and I hope like you that we get these

[16:42] answers sooner rather than later. I hope

[16:44] we don't have to wait 75 years for them.

[16:46] Thanks, Roger.

[16:47] >> Thank you. Great to be with you.