Mark Levin, Katie Pavlich, and Candace Owens Expose Liberal Indoctrination on College Campuses

[00:00] hello America I'm Marc Levin this is

[00:01] life Liberty and Levin we have two great

[00:03] guests Katie Pavlich how are you nice to

[00:06] see you

[00:06] I think Anna's Owens how are you very

[00:08] good to see you too the great young

[00:12] smart intellectual conservatives who I

[00:15] wanted to have on the program now Katie

[00:18] Pavlich in 2010 you earned your Bachelor

[00:21] of Arts degree in broadcast journalism

[00:23] from the University of Arizona after

[00:26] completing your degree in 2010 you moved

[00:28] to Washington DC you became news editor

[00:31] for townhall.com contributing editor

[00:33] townhall magazine Fox News Channel

[00:36] contributor now an alternate co-host for

[00:38] the five and your ubiquitous as are you

[00:41] Candice Candice you you're known for

[00:46] your commentary you you are the director

[00:50] of urban engagement at the conservatory

[00:53] advocacy group training Point USA you

[00:56] were pursuing an undergraduate degree in

[00:58] journalism at the University of Rhode

[00:59] Island you left school you said that's

[01:00] enough you launched social autopsy calm

[01:06] in 2016 a website where you were

[01:09] exposing bullies and so forth now this

[01:12] is very interesting to me you really

[01:14] come from different backgrounds you're

[01:16] both conservatives is that correct

[01:18] correct and you came at it from a

[01:20] completely different direction this is

[01:22] something I think about all the time how

[01:23] to appeal to people how do we reach out

[01:25] to people people from different

[01:27] communities people from different

[01:28] backgrounds because I personally think

[01:30] the conservatism is the glue that holds

[01:33] society together why are you a

[01:36] conservative well as Margaret Thatcher

[01:38] used to say the facts of life are

[01:40] conservative and I think that's really

[01:42] just part of who I am I grew up in a

[01:44] conservative household my parents were

[01:45] small business owners so it really just

[01:47] was kind of part of who we were we never

[01:50] sat us down and said you know this is

[01:52] the left believes it's what the right

[01:53] believes for publicans Democrats it was

[01:55] just more of a conversation piece and I

[01:57] wrote a letter to Bill Clinton when I

[01:58] was six years old about taxes and how it

[02:01] was unfair that he was taking our money

[02:02] we didn't get to spend his money and he

[02:04] wrote me back with you know a generic

[02:06] argument about paying fair shares and

[02:08] all that kind of thing so that's when it

[02:10] really started but you know I'm a

[02:12] Dauterive American

[02:13] my grandpa fought in World War two of

[02:15] lots of family members who were in the

[02:17] military and it really just was part of

[02:19] growing up for me I didn't realize until

[02:21] high school that be man wearing a cowboy

[02:25] hat on the poster in our garage was

[02:27] actually Ronald Reagan so my parents

[02:30] just it was how we were you know I grew

[02:32] up on five acres of land in Flagstaff

[02:34] Arizona and we really just lived a

[02:36] conservative lifestyle personal

[02:37] responsibility you know being

[02:39] self-sufficient you know being

[02:41] responsible for our own actions or our

[02:42] own future and pursuits so that's why I

[02:45] am a conservative it really just is part

[02:46] of who I am Candice you didn't grow up

[02:49] that way I did not become a fairly

[02:51] recent conservative how did you reach

[02:54] that point well I like to say now that

[02:56] the reason I'm conservative is because I

[02:58] used to be a liberal and and I learned a

[03:01] lot obviously growing up in a black

[03:04] household there's a lot of emphasis

[03:05] placed on black people today being

[03:08] liberals being Democrats it's pretty

[03:10] much programmed into us via the public

[03:12] school system that that is the only

[03:14] option for us because Republicans of

[03:17] course are racist and they want to harm

[03:19] the black community and I had a

[03:21] different experience in life realizing

[03:23] that everything my life seemed to be

[03:25] going wrong I was blaming the world for

[03:28] everything that was going wrong there

[03:30] was no personal responsibility because a

[03:32] lot of these liberal movements you're

[03:34] essentially taught that there's always

[03:35] someone else that you can blame and

[03:37] you're pointing the finger and everybody

[03:38] else you're not looking internally to

[03:40] fix things and you'll you'll find that

[03:41] things will continue to go wrong so

[03:44] during the 2016 election cycle I was

[03:46] watching our wonderful president take a

[03:50] run for the White House and the

[03:52] conversation was very strange the

[03:54] rhetoric that the media was using was

[03:56] extremely aggressive they were trying to

[03:58] convince me that he was a racist that he

[04:00] was a sexist that he was a misogynist at

[04:02] one point that he was incestuous

[04:05] right with they started that horrible

[04:07] story about Ivanka Trump and at one

[04:09] point that he was a rapist and I said

[04:11] this is very strange I grew up in a

[04:13] household listening to hip-hop music

[04:15] Trump was glorified and a lot of those

[04:17] music and a lot of those songs and all

[04:20] of a sudden they wanted me to believe

[04:21] that he was a racist so I had to ask

[04:23] myself in that moment is it plausible

[04:25] that racism is

[04:27] being used as a theme to turn black

[04:29] people into single issue voters and the

[04:31] answer to that question is of course yes

[04:33] what is conservatism mean to you

[04:35] conservatism to me is you know limited

[04:38] government liberty and sticking to the

[04:40] Constitution and realizing that

[04:41] government is not the solution to almost

[04:43] anything that your community your family

[04:46] is a solution to everything you know

[04:48] going back to the beginning of the

[04:49] country we've rejected this communal way

[04:51] style of living going back to the

[04:53] pilgrims coming here I mean but being

[04:55] conservative is really just about you

[04:57] know making your own decisions deciding

[04:59] on your own future and being responsible

[05:01] when you fail learning from those

[05:02] failures and be able to move on and be

[05:04] successful in your own right not having

[05:06] to depend on other people to make your

[05:08] success for you obviously you go through

[05:10] life and you have you know partnerships

[05:12] and bosses who promote you and give you

[05:14] opportunity but it's really up to you to

[05:17] take those opportunities and pursue them

[05:19] in a way that makes you successful and

[05:20] what is conservatism mean to you well if

[05:23] you look at the the inverse I think

[05:25] liberalism to me means bondage and

[05:27] conservatism means freedom the freedom

[05:30] to choose the freedom to have

[05:32] responsibilities to go after things in

[05:34] life it's the founding principles of

[05:36] this country that any person had come to

[05:38] this country with the clothes the

[05:40] clothing on their back and make

[05:41] something of themselves

[05:43] I learned conservatism through my

[05:45] grandfather I didn't know that that was

[05:47] the name I didn't know these were

[05:48] conservative principles starting his

[05:50] life on a sharecropping farm working

[05:52] tremendously hard five years old picking

[05:55] cotton and laying tobacco out to dry on

[05:58] a farm and and today he now owns that

[06:00] farm that was the American dream and we

[06:03] lost that we gave that up as government

[06:05] got bigger and the individual got

[06:06] smaller and this is all quite important

[06:09] from a philosophical perspective you

[06:11] just related it to your to your own

[06:13] family it's conservatism about

[06:17] individualism absolutely his

[06:19] conservatism about a circle of Liberty

[06:22] that surrounds each individual that

[06:25] government must never penetrate is this

[06:29] an appealing idea among young people

[06:31] today and college campuses today I mean

[06:34] when I was a young guy a little while

[06:36] ago and I would go college campuses I

[06:39] have to say I was fighting I was

[06:40] the minority all the time because the

[06:42] the professor's weren't any different

[06:44] they were collectivist they were tenured

[06:45] some of them were Marxist and it all

[06:47] sounds so cool and we had to fight this

[06:49] and I thought the people who fought it

[06:52] with me we're actually the smarter ones

[06:55] is that what's going on today or is it

[06:57] worse in our colleges today well I know

[06:59] that parents get really nervous about

[07:01] sending their kids to college because

[07:03] they're concerned about the

[07:04] indoctrination but for me going to a

[07:06] liberal university and having that

[07:08] combative role with professors both in

[07:10] political science department and the

[07:12] journalism department really solidified

[07:14] my principles as a conservative and why

[07:17] I am the way I am and I had to I was

[07:20] challenged every day and had to defend

[07:21] myself and come up with another side of

[07:23] the argument that was valid and when it

[07:25] comes to other students you know I was

[07:27] always leading the charge to try and

[07:28] bring conservative speakers and fighting

[07:30] the administration because they were

[07:32] infringing on her free speech rights by

[07:33] charging us these ridiculous security

[07:35] fees and so I would say you know the

[07:39] campus environment maybe hasn't changed

[07:40] it is pretty bad i speak on college

[07:42] campuses a couple times a semester and

[07:44] there is no room for any kind of thought

[07:47] outside of the Marxism outside of the

[07:49] socialism but what I've learned is that

[07:51] the students may buy into that but when

[07:53] you actually ask them what socialism

[07:55] means they can't define it and when you

[07:57] start pointing things out like each and

[07:59] every one of you are wearing a different

[08:01] pair of shoes and each and every one of

[08:02] you have a different style backpack or a

[08:05] different style iPod or a different

[08:06] phone case and it seems really simple

[08:08] but the fact is that they are

[08:10] individuals on every single level of

[08:12] their life and socialism and communism

[08:14] and Marxism don't allow them to do that

[08:16] but you can never blame students

[08:18] especially for something they've never

[08:20] been told and so I feel like it's my

[08:22] obligation to go to these college

[08:24] campuses and just simply present the

[08:26] other side of an argument of an idea

[08:28] that they're not getting inside of their

[08:29] classrooms and oftentimes I always ask

[08:32] people who disagree with me to come I

[08:34] tell whatever group is hosting me to

[08:35] invite the College Democrats invite the

[08:37] college socialists invite people to come

[08:39] and listen bite your professors who have

[08:41] been saying these horrible things about

[08:43] my speech already even though they've

[08:44] never you know met me or know who I am

[08:47] or even know what I'm going to talk

[08:48] about and they may come in disagreeing

[08:50] with me and they may leave disagreeing

[08:52] with me but the rewarding thing is once

[08:54] come up to me afterwards and say look I

[08:56] walked in here disagreeing with you I

[08:57] still disagree with you but at least I

[08:59] know where you're coming from and even

[09:01] better is when they come and say I

[09:02] totally disagreed with you but now I

[09:04] agree with you and I'm gonna go and tell

[09:05] ten of my friends exactly what I learned

[09:07] here tonight you wear journalism major I

[09:11] was yes

[09:12] you took journalism courses that was

[09:14] your major correct was it hard left were

[09:18] the indoctrinating peoples that white

[09:19] journalists in this country are so I'm

[09:21] almost to a person there's a few

[09:23] exception

[09:24] speak sound make the same noises on TV

[09:27] and radio that's correct it definitely

[09:29] is indoctrination and I will say this

[09:31] it's much worse today than when I was in

[09:33] school and we're talking about just a

[09:34] difference of five years hmm what I have

[09:37] up have observed on college campuses

[09:39] this year and you're on college campuses

[09:41] okay yeah we do we do college campus

[09:43] tours it's terrifying

[09:44] it's actually terrifying there's this

[09:47] idea that it's virtuous you can't speak

[09:50] as a conservative on campus without

[09:52] being boycott without being protested

[09:55] without you know students lining up and

[09:56] playing music loudly so that they can

[09:58] drown out this town of your voices now

[10:00] we're not speaking about anything

[10:01] controversial at Turning Point USA we

[10:03] believe in free markets and capitalism

[10:04] the founding principles of this country

[10:06] and the students hates that and they

[10:09] don't hate that as Katie mentioned they

[10:10] don't hate that because they form these

[10:13] ideas they hate that because they have

[10:14] been indoctrinated to hate that so I say

[10:17] that college campuses are literal

[10:19] liberal indoctrination camps and that is

[10:22] why I understood especially in terms of

[10:24] me wanting to wake up black America

[10:26] which is my highest priority that that

[10:28] was an extremely important vertical to

[10:30] hit it is how I ended up as a liberal is

[10:33] how I ended up thinking that perhaps

[10:35] socialist principles could save the

[10:36] world the most important battle that we

[10:38] are facing in this country today and

[10:40] what conservatives did wrong was handing

[10:42] over the school systems of a left

[10:43] allowing them to take that over and it

[10:45] is the most important battle that we are

[10:46] fighting today and this is a great point

[10:49] I mean it essentially is a monopoly in

[10:51] ideological monopoly and yet this is

[10:54] where we're told academic freedom and

[10:56] free speech at least again when I was

[10:59] going to colleges even though I was in

[11:01] the minority for me from a philosophical

[11:03] perspective

[11:06] professors there's less and less that so

[11:08] we have this ideological monopoly that's

[11:11] called that on our college campuses even

[11:13] though there's thousands of them there's

[11:15] a few exceptions like Hillsdale College

[11:17] and gross eating a few others but

[11:18] they're the exceptions what do we do

[11:21] about it well I would say we need more

[11:24] conservative professors but that is not

[11:26] the easiest feat in the world so now I

[11:28] mean just went because the faculty it's

[11:31] incestuous the questions the Faculty's

[11:33] they pick from their own schools they

[11:35] pick people who are the thrill in

[11:36] ideology I mean I've been looking into

[11:38] this myself how do we break the back of

[11:41] this monopoly well I think that we have

[11:43] to first look at the fact that taxpayers

[11:45] are funding these government

[11:46] institutions so we call them public

[11:48] schools they're really government

[11:49] institutions especially when it comes to

[11:51] universities they're constantly going to

[11:53] their state legislatures and asking for

[11:55] more money for less productive work and

[11:58] less results the universities on the the

[12:00] public level the government level are

[12:02] not responsible for anything that they

[12:03] put out so they don't care if you go for

[12:06] four years five years six years as long

[12:07] as you're paying the money they don't

[12:09] care if you get a degree in sociology

[12:10] they actually probably prefer that but

[12:13] there's no results they're not trying to

[12:15] get people a job so how do we change

[12:17] that first you talk to your state

[12:19] legislatures about how the universities

[12:21] are taking all of your tax money and

[12:22] they're not actually producing any

[12:24] real-world was world results of students

[12:26] who can then go get real jobs instead of

[12:29] being a hundred thousand dollars in debt

[12:30] over a woman's state back to funding

[12:32] pull back some of the funding look at

[12:34] what you know what they're spending

[12:35] their money on when I was in college I

[12:36] would go on a radio show every single

[12:38] Thursday and expose what was happening

[12:40] inside the universities in Seidman

[12:43] classroom what my professors were saying

[12:45] inside the classroom what they were

[12:46] spending money on I remember they built

[12:48] a fake border wall across campus and

[12:50] they were preventing students from

[12:52] getting to class and those are the

[12:55] things that student fees are going

[12:56] towards that's what parents are paying

[12:58] for

[12:58] that's what taxpayers are footing the

[13:00] bill for and so exposing that from the

[13:02] inside out is important because alumni

[13:04] can look at it and say I'm no longer

[13:06] going to give my money to these

[13:07] universities I'm going to give them to

[13:09] conservative organizations instead that

[13:11] are actually making a difference on

[13:12] campus suing universities is key too

[13:15] because they think that they're not

[13:16] going to be held accountable by anybody

[13:18] but when they're infringing on the

[13:19] rights

[13:20] of students organizations like fire have

[13:22] sued on behalf of students ADF ADF has

[13:26] also sued to say look you think you can

[13:29] bully students out of their First

[13:30] Amendment rights by bringing

[13:31] conservative speakers here to simply

[13:33] offer a different point of view we're

[13:34] not going to put up with that anymore

[13:35] their constitutional rights apply on

[13:37] campus and off campus when we come back

[13:40] I want to know what you think - what we

[13:42] should do about this ideological

[13:44] monopoly on our college campuses I think

[13:46] these are great ideas great things that

[13:48] are going on but I think it is the the

[13:50] biggest problem we face when it comes to

[13:53] young people in this country don't

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