All right, let's go ahead and bring our guest on. Welcome, John. Did you want to introduce yourself? >> I'm uh John Bray, John Aaron Braille, next >> and John has been very in-depth covering the microphone theory and he has a lot of data to back it up. He has some visuals and he's also it's basically been his day one theory. Um, did you want to tell us kind of like how you got into like what what made you kind of go this route? Not not super in detail, but just kind of like a high level. >> Um, well, immediately I saw the video and I thought it was AI cuz it just looks so strange to me. And then um my my background is in body armor. I developed the um refurbishing program for the army for their IOTVs, OTVs. So I saw how his shirt deformed and I was certain that he had body armor on. But, you know, within the end of the day, it was pretty obvious they didn't. So, I started to basically run analysis on it, and that led me to the microphone. Um, the only other thing that could really convince me is is that he was shot in the chest. That's that's the from from the physical, you know, evidence and the the energetic kind of uh dispersion. That's the only thing that could make any sense to me. What about some people talking about Iran coming in and hitting his necklace and bouncing up? >> I just find that really unlikely. It's just the the other um objects that are involved in the movement, it just doesn't they don't the the energy doesn't align to that sort of scenario. The whole reason I started to do the whole vector map uh pixel flow was to try to pinpoint where the bullet may have hit him in his bulletproof vest. in the middle of kind of creating the code to run that um it became obvious that he didn't have a vest on the pictures with you know you could see his nipples and then it was just you know the back line of where he's hunched over in his seat there's there's no way even a executive vest could be concealed to that point. So then that left me just to run the um the code as I had it and I immediately noticed that there was kind of a epicenter in the center upper sternum of his shirt. Um, and that led me to kind of start to question the the three main kind of energetic centers of the event, which is the shirt that pulled up to his face, basically almost to his cheek, the uh magnetic clasp that moved across his neck, and what I first thought was a uh lanyard wire to like an earpiece flying over his head. >> But it wasn't even a day into the event that someone pointed out that he didn't have an earpiece on. that became pretty obvious. >> And then a better quality video became available and it was pretty obvious that it was his necklace that flew up and over his head and it wasn't, you know, a wire. So then I was left with three different things that kind I had to figure out to explain how they were they were obviously tied together cuz they moved they started movement at the same time and they kind of moved in in kind of opposite directions of each other. the shirt, you know, pulling up on his face and the magnetic clasp kind of moved opposite of each other at first and then the magnetic clasp flows back across his chest as this as a shirt relaxes. Um, and then the the necklace was what really what puzz puzzled me the most because it's the most energetic object of the event. It moved the quickest. It had the most amount of energy kind of displaced in it and it was enough energy to actually break the necklace. So then I refined the code to really hone in on those those details. And um my first runs the red dots are m mapping the epicenter frame to frame. So every frame there's pixel movement. And wherever there was the most pixel movement in the frame it it maps it with a red dot. When there's a lot of movement going on it can it just it can be random. But when you have a lot of quick movement it's pretty accurate especially when you have multiple angles. So between the two front angles that we had, um, I was able to basically pinpoint the epicenters around his sternum. And then I noticed that the magnetic clasp kind of followed that. So that led me to kind of um, investigate what the magnetic clasp was all about. And then I found the model of the microphone and then the pictures of them kind of mounting it on it. So then I started studying in the past how did he wear the microphone and um when he first got the mic he wore it on the outside of his shirt and then it slowly kind of evolved and then they put it underneath his shirt and that day it's it's kind of like mounted in a pecular way that it's it's almost like standing on its side where the mag it's it's kind of bulges his shirt out. It looks kind of uncomfortable. And it's at a 45 degree angle. And I kept getting maps, peak maps right below that, like kind of 45 degrees, like a a trajectory that matches what you would expect if the bottom of that microphone kind of blew out. So then I found a video of someone actually disassembling the mic and then I saw where the battery was and the battery was right in that area. So that led me to start investigate like what could this battery been modified somehow. And then it was even of a year ago before that event that the uh Grim Pager or Grim Beeper attacks, the the MSAD pager attacks happened. And I I studied those and I realized that, you know, those pagers were in circulation for over a decade before they were detonated. And the batteries went through airport scanners. They were completely functional that whole time. >> That's completely functional. >> Yeah. That that really opened my mind to the fact that Charlie's microphone was the older model. He had those microphones for quite a while and he's traveled all over for. So, there was ample opportunity for someone to get a hold of it. And you can see how quickly you can get the battery out of it. You don't need to solder anything. You can just pop it out and basically replace it with a loaded battery. and the user would would never know. You could go on using it. It would have approximately 75% of the the charge capacity and you it would take someone that would used it all the way to empty all the time to even notice that it changed. So that made it plausible. And then I started to study the injuries from the pager attacks which they were the pagers themselves were were alkaline batteries. They were round like double A style batteries, so they left like black residue, but they didn't leave any burns and they didn't really like char the victims and it was pretty directional. The uh >> Wait, so so you're saying the the ones in Lebanon did not leave charring. >> Yeah, they what they left was the alkaline battery char was like the insides of the alkaline battery, like a black residue from the alkaline battery. the walkietalkies that followed the day after, they had lithium batteries and they didn't leave any charring or any residue. They were pretty much clean. >> Um, so that's where I was like, well, that's that's bizarre cuz immediately, you know, like everyone else, you think explosion, you think it's going to be like a a lot of radial damage. There'll be charring and residue left. So, that opened up to the possibility that it could be a completely clean burn. Um, but then I was kind of perplexed like why would why would someone go through the effort of this and not have a means to cover it up, right? If if they killed Charlie with a a loaded microphone bomb, everyone would know who it is. So, that kind of opened up the idea that they would need a psy. And then the rifle kind of made sense to me, like the whole the weirdness and stranges about it. But I put my mind in kind of the conspirators, right? If I wanted to pull this sort of event out, I would want the wound and the event to look like a rifle shot. And in my mind, immediately what I thought was it looked like a chess shot. So then I was like, what if this was designed to be to mimic a chess shot of a 36 30 off six? So, let's talk about that really quick because a lot of people are going to say like, "What what's your official explanation as to why the official narrative wouldn't work?" >> Well, it's because it's the order of events. So, you you when you watch the events unfold in in slow motion, frame by frame, the necklace, the microphone movement, and the shirt all precede the appearance of the neck wound. And with a high velocity impact the neck, the zone two of the neck particular, you would have instantaneous effects, right? You would have automized blood. You would have cavitation. There's no way that you would have it's at point43 seconds delay from when the shirt first moves to when you see the neck wound even appear. And it's almost a whole second before blood appears out of the neck wound. >> Yeah, that's the strangest part to me is that delay. So then I studied uh you know the forensics of high velocity impacts and there's there's so much you know um case studies on it and and examples of people being shot in the neck in the exact same area and nothing about it made sense. There's there's no high velocity blood, no blood automization. Um, and then the strangeness of the leaked autopsy reports like them trying to say that the C1 was hit when you know the trajectory was almost impossible for that to happen and then like it traveled down to the C6 and that I just couldn't understand why they would go through efforts to try to explain that. But when I got to kind of the the aftermath, right? So once I thought I had a solid grasp on what caused the shirt to move, what caused the necklace to move, what caused his body to react in the way it did, the way his his hands grasped together, his his elbows lift up and his arms come in and particularly his legs. If you look at his legs, his knees immediately come together and he lifts himself out of the chair. And so that that's that's indicating that he had midbrain and brain stem damage. And then that made perfect sense to me. That's why they had to lean on the C1 damage because that's the only way that you could have that sort of physical reaction from uh a ballistic impact. Uh outside of a headsh shot, it would have to be at the very base of the of the spine for a bullet to cause a physical reaction like that. So, you know, it made me think that possibly the the narrative was being crafted kind of on the fly. And so then I started questioning that the neck wound, like the the bleeding of the neck wound, the delayed bleeding of it, and the shape of it. And particularly the trajectory of the magnetic clasp, which basically tells you the trajectory of the whole microphone, right? they were connected together and how it they lined up perfectly with where the wound appeared and then the wound had this strange, you know, rectangular appearance and the delayed bleeding. And if you look very closely frame by frame, you can actually see the def deformation of the of the flesh. It it it matches the trajectory of the um the microphone, the direction it was traveling. So, >> so a quick question that people are going to have is are you saying that the microphone itself exploded or are you saying that something exploded out of the microphone towards his neck? >> I I believe that the microphone was designed to replicate a 30 off [ __ ] a 30 off six impact to the chest and there was unforeseen shrapnel that came off of the microphone. The ca either the battery or the magnetic clasp that struck his neck that they didn't prepare for. And so when the very obvious neck wound became kind of the center point of the event, they had to shift the narrative from a chest shot to a a single neck shot. And they had to explain the physical reactions that we we all saw by, you know, the the C1 impact and the, you know, the vertebrae damage when when in reality, I believe he probably had chest damage, too. And if you remember, there was leaks from the hospital that described massive chest damage. They said his chest was caved in. And even some of the first reports of uh the autopsy, which I have been they've been um the New York Time mentioned uh chest, but then it was redacted and it was changed later and you can't find any mention of that again. But the the whole even the first uh witness that I saw from the crowd said that he was shot in the chest and blood came out from underneath his shirt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, it it's I feel like that there was a scramble to cover up any chest wound because they only had a single rifle shot and you can't have two different wounds with a single rifle shot. And I think that explains the strangeness at the hospital with the physic physicians and the uh surgeon not being able to go back in and then um you know autopsies ordered overnight and then flying him out and then the uh security footage from the hospital getting confiscated. It all just seemed kind of out of the ordinary and unnecessary unless you had something to hide like a very obvious chest wound. Right. >> So So just real quick, sorry to cut you off there. Um, some people are saying that he sounds nervous. Yeah, this is not what he does. He does not do podcasts. He does not do interviews regularly. So, we're going to be giving him some grace because he is not doing this on a regular basis. So >> and I would say that for anyone to hop on a live stream and completely you know flush out their entire very complicated theory um you know amongst all these people online is is a nerve-wracking thing. So I John I think you're knocking it out of the park. You're doing a great job. >> All right. So now some people are asking to have you explain this. So um and and actually you said that you either wrote software or you use software for this. So who um I guess do you want to walk people like through the software piece of it like how you came up with this kind of grid that shows where the the pressure and the power and energy was? >> Yeah. So I took the MT Labs the MIT labs optical flow software and I modified it to specifically look for epicenters frameto frame. So, what it's doing is looking frame to frame to video and looking on how the pixels move. Because his shirt has those freedom texts across it and u you know his shirt's white and then we have the black magnetic clasp on the shirt. It gives us a lot of vectors to to track. So, basically the software is looking at every frame and it's mapping the movement in between those frames and then it's putting a red circle on the epicenter of those movements. And you can see the the the color mapping is is showing you where the areas of the highest movement. So it kind of shows you the previous frame where the movement moved from the previous frame to the next frame >> like an onion skin. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Okay. So like in this one is the red circle where the focus is or is that just >> the red circle is where the the peak movement happened from the previous frame to that frame. And you can see moving across >> and you see the heat frame from where the text was. It's showing you the text was in the previous frame. It was there and then you can see where the text on his shirt is now where where the um the shirt pulls up across his face. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, quick question on this. So, this is a separate theory that I'll probably ask you about, but the electrocution theory, he was saying that, you know, he was trying to explain like the burn under his like chest nipple area, but in your stuff you're showing here, it's not that low. Correct. It's higher up on his chest. >> Yeah. And and the other angle maps it slightly different. Um you know, because the pixels are going to be different from different angles. Um but they're both in that general area. >> Okay. So they're both kind of by the F of freedom. >> Yeah, exactly. The shape charge theory basically is that it's not like a general basic explosive. It's not a radial force. It has a um a small charge and a cone and it basically directs a a high energy jet out of the cone. So, it's made to penetrate armor, but you can use it on soft targets, too. And it allows you to create a wound that's very similar to a a rifle uh wound where it leaves a deep wound channel and it'll it'll even leave car copper fragmentation into the wound. So what we're seeing the shirt moving is the overpressurization. So the pressure that didn't penetrate the flesh basically is escaping through the shirt and that's what causes the shirt to balloon up and move so much that the shirt that pulls up across his face on the opposite side of the microphone is actually from his necklace. The pendant on his necklace, the cross pendant is pushed down and then it can't go down anymore. So then it follows the kind of the path of the necklace and raises up across and that's what lifts his shirt up across his face. >> Okay. So you're saying the downward pressure of the explosion puts pressure down on the pendant that stretches the necklace that force builds up and then it pops back up and that's why you see it kind of goes vertically like straight up in the air. >> Yeah. If you can actually see one frame where the cross is peeking out next to his face, but it gets caught and the necklace breaks. So then the necklace slides out of the cross pendant and the cross pendant falls back down and that's why his shirt falls back down so quickly and then immediately after that you'll see the appearance of the wound on his neck. >> Okay. So for this >> you see that part the the magnetic clasp goes on the back side. So that that part that we're seeing right now that he has a suction cup is against Charlie's chest and that's the battery is against his chest also. So the if the shape charge was put anywhere, it's going to be put in that gold battery right there. >> No, I think with the previous pager attacks and the cell phones, they just replaced a portion of the battery. Correct. >> Right. They basically took uh 20% of the cell and replaced it with the explosive. >> Okay. >> And I believe that's what they they probably did with with this. Um they just replaced it with a smaller cell battery. Um a shorter a slightly shorter battery. And then they put the shape charge in the end of the space that was left over. >> And that would make it so it would still function. He could still live stream and everything with it, but obviously the battery wouldn't last as long. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Now, someone is asking you to explain how the pendant broke one more time just so they can understand it. >> Basically, the pendant the the necklace was was moved by the force of the the explosion and then it crossed the path of the shape charge. So when that the pendant was pushed down and it and it it met the end of the slack of the necklace and then it's like a pendulum. It swung up and started to come out of the shirt and that pulled the necklace across and it ended up crossing that peak that we see in the middle of his chest and that's what snapped the necklace and then the momentum of the necklace forced it over his head. So that's why when we see the necklace fly up and over his head, it's broken. is a single single strand 26 inches of necklace instead of being you know a loop connected >> and we don't know at this point what the coroners report said. I've seen some people asking about that and I've I've tried to kind of interject a little bit too. I mean that's part of the problem you guys is that we don't know exactly, you know, what the coroner had to say, what the autopsy said, what the doctors, you know, officially said. I mean, we're we're going off of third, fourth, fifth party information. >> And if you're also taking into consideration things like now Candace is saying that, you know, uh, Kovit never said what he said or that what he said was made up and that the surgeon never said that. >> We're kind of getting to the point where can we believe anything that's been told so far? Anything. >> So, like the fact that he had broken vertebrae, you know, and like is that true? We don't even know if like because if you're people are trying to make these other narratives fit that now like we was electrocuted how do you account for the vertebrae do we even know the vertebrae are broken >> and so why why the speculation because I think uh inquiring minds want to know and there are a lot of us who just cannot stand to sit around and wait for you know a year plus and it's just it just doesn't feel right that's at least I'll speak for myself in saying that I can't just sit around and twiddle my thumbs and weight. I've got to keep digging. >> So, the next thing, the next movement, I guess. So, say it explodes, it sends that the magnet in the in the mic start to go to the direction of the, you know, I guess the shape charge would knock it that way. >> Um, so a shape charge has to have a standoff. It you can't that it has to create a jet before it can penetrate. It's not penetrating with brute force. It's it's actually, you know, creating a high-speed jet that's basically turning anything it contacts into liquid. Um, so it needs a 2cm standoff. So they they would have to design uh a primer charge that kind of um forces the um microphone away from his flesh before the the shape charge goes off. And if you look at the particularly um Cubs video, the highest resolution video that's kind of to Charlie's right or left hand side, um you'll you can see that the microphone lifts up and kind of almost touches his face before it starts to make the trajectory across his body. And it's it's it's my belief that that's the the primer charge creating the standoff space. And that primer charge is what causes the necklace to move. And then once the um the primary charge, the shape charge goes off, it actually snaps the necklace. And that's when you see it break loose and fly over his head. And that's when the trajectory of the microphones change from just kind of lifting up to his face to going across his body. Um and at that same time, we have the shirt coming down. So while we have the microphone going the m the magnet clasp and the microphone going across his chest, we have the shirt falling down and then they kind of like at certain point cross each other and you kind of lose sight of the magnetic clasp and then that's when the wound of his neck appears. So if you look at it frame to frame, there's no single frame where you can see both at the same time. You see the you see the magnetic clasp and then you don't see it and then you see a wound on his neck. >> I'm not 100% certain that it is the magnetic clasp. It could be the magnetic clasp or the battery. They're very similar shape as you saw in the video before. They're both rectangular. But I am sure the trajectory of the microphone and the trajectory matches perfectly with the appearance of the wound and the microphone kind of snaps back. Um, and you can just see kind of a bulge where it is, but you don't necessarily ever see the full m magnetic clasp again. So, it it's it's the timing and the trajectory is what led me to believe that it was a blunt rectangular object from the microphone that causes the neck wound combined with actual um physical, you know, traits of the wound itself. You know, it it's not a high velocity wound. That was a medium velocity wound. And you know that because of the delayed bleeding and then also the the deformation of the skin. It was just the skin was flexed outwards. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a cavitation from a a high energy impact. And then the bleeding was was so strange and delayed. And we can't show it here, but I actually have code that has mapped the fluid dynamics of the blood. And I've been able to actually track the rectangular object falling out of his neck from two different angles. So, not only not only do we have the trajectory matching >> the the portion where the wound appears, but I also have a rectangular object, flat black object falling out of the wound from two different angles. Also, either the magnetic clasp or the battery. It was something dense and rectangular. >> Okay. So, you don't think it was like shrapnel from the mic exploding? >> That's what I mean. It's it's shrapnel from it. But the the shrapnel was was the dense object being the magnetic clasp or the the um the battery itself. >> Unintentional. >> A lot of people are asking like how can the how can the mic and the and the mic magnet go towards like anywhere? Shouldn't it just explode away from the body? >> It's it's because it's a shaped charge. Imagine it's it's like a jet. So it's not a explosive where it's a radial explosive where it's just it's exploding in all directions. This is an explosion that has a directed path >> and the only the only expansion comes out of that directed path the cone. So it's it's like >> you know like a um a rocket engine >> when you uh when you launch a rocket engine it just doesn't explode everywhere. It sends a direct a directed path in one direction and that causes a trajectory and it follows that trajectory quickly. >> So that would mean in this case equal and opposite reaction that would mean that the shape charge would have had to have been pointed down and away from him. Correct. To push everything up towards him, >> right? And and so the variable comes in is the primer charge where they have to create the standoff space. So, combined with the odd angle that the microphone was kind of mounted on him, it wasn't mounted it flat against his body. It was kind of like stood on its side. And then the standoff charge, which is my belief that they anticipated the mic to be flat on his body. And the standoff charge was made to to raise the microphone directly away from his body before the primary shape charge went off. But because the microphone was kind of mounted on its side, when the standoff charge went off, it lifted it up. So then it changed the trajectory. When the shape charge went off, it basically created like a rocket engine that caused it to travel across his chest instead of it directing the charge directly into his chest. And a shape charge is 90% efficient, more than 90% efficient of directing the energy to one direction. So the whole equal and opposite, it doesn't really apply because we're sending less than a gram of metal cone in a high-speed jet into the flesh. So it's not like a bullet or a traditional ballistic where, you know, you're sending a heavy object in the opposite direction. >> How would this microphone explode with enough force to kill someone? So do you think that this has enough charge to cause all the reaction that we saw in that small of a package? >> It's because it's concentrating. It's like a water jet where you're basically taking all that energy and that and that charge and you're and you're directing it to a very small stream. And because it it it's you're creating a acceleration because you're forcing this expansive force down a very small cone um it it breaches Mach 7. So anything it contacts it basically turns it to liquid. And so it's deep penetrating. It's why they use it for, you know, to defeat tank armor and things like that. But with soft tissue, it's even more devastating because there's not as much resistance. So, it would create a deep channel just like a 30 off six impact, but it would do it with a minimum amount of charge, less than 2 g. >> So, this is one of the pages from Lebanon. >> Yeah. And >> that in particular is the um the walkie-talkie >> walkie-talkie. Okay. >> So now I'm just bringing this up because with the Candace Owens kind of dropped that bomb in one of her videos saying that there's a little specks the little black specks on the floor inside of her car. Have you seen that yet? >> Yeah. So, the car that Charlie was in, and they're saying that that might be from, you know, people are implying that might be from the explosion like pieces of the pager or of in this case of the audio um that exploded and these little tiny pieces they're seeing in the car were from that. What do you think about that? >> I believe I'm actually the one that centered the message about that. Um the um the type of plastic that you see in the floorboard too are would match the plastic you could expect from from that device. So you have flat black plastic and then you have glossy plastic. The glossy plastic is the actual face of the case which the battery is right behind that O there. So that immediate charge would basically shatter that into you know a million little pieces like glass and then the primary charge would would further break the inner core of the um of the device which you showed earlier when the battery was kind of popped out of the device. It's all flat black on the inside of it. And the how thin that plastic is, when it would break, it would just shatter into small little pieces like that from the the the high-pressure wave of the um the explosive. Like I said, it's a Mach 7, you know, jet that's going to be coming out of that device. It's just going to completely wreck anything. And it's not a hot explosion. It can reach, you know, 500 degrees, but it does so in such a quick time that it doesn't really get time to transfer away. That's why it doesn't like burn things or leave burns on even on the victim. It would leave a wound that looked a lot like a rifle impact. >> So, it's a quick release of energy, not a hot explosion. >> Yeah, that the the quickness of it is the the real key factor. It's a it's a extremely quick burning and clean burning explosive. And that kind of explains the high energy that we see, how fast it dissipates, you know, from the shirt. It causes a huge reaction, but then it goes away really fast. >> And just real quick, just to get this out of the way, do you think that there's any chance Charlie's still alive? >> Uh, if he's still alive, he's the greatest actor that's ever lived. I mean, he he nailed the physical reaction of a mid midbrain and brain stem damage. And the way he hit the ground, you know, I have videos of him hitting the ground slow motion. It was just it was devastating. I mean, his head bounced off the ground. He was absolutely limp. >> I'm a firm I'm a firm belie that he was he was his heart was almost stopped before he hit the ground. >> Well, and I know that Charles Mcccleintoch says he has an image where his neck is destroyed um based on the way his head's hanging. So that I mean I I know a lot of people want hope that he's still alive, but I'm not sure if anyone can guarantee that. People asking, could the necklace have had something in it like PET and or something in the necklace itself? >> Yeah, I've actually thought about that. The cross, the pendant itself possibly having, but um the um seeing it peek out of the shirt still kind of intact made me kind of leave that. And then it needs an energetic means to, you know, it would be it'll be a lot more difficult to place an explosive independent of a cross and have a means to to trigger it than it would be in the in the microphone. The microphone is just the most convenient thing to target with explosives cuz you have you have a all the electronics, you have the battery, you know it's going to be on his chest, literally against his chest. It's just it's just really really convenient. and and he doesn't have it most of the time. If his cross he's wearing, you know, all the time, it would just be a lot more difficult to get access to the cross to plant that explosive in it. >> Now, this is a very common one. People are asking, "Well, if an explosion went off under a shirt, how come it didn't tear or mark his shirt? Why is there no explosion marks? Why is there no tears that are obvious? If there was enough force to kill him, then why wouldn't it have left some kind of marking or tearing?" >> And that's a very uh, you know, valid question. And it's it it comes down to the the use of the shape charge. Um they're made to be very efficient in directing that energy in one direction. So it's like having like I said before a rocket engine where you have a lot of propellant, you have a lot of energy, but there's only one path for it to escape. And that path is through a very directed metal cone. And as that explosion expands, it's slowly releasing out of that metal clone and creating a really high-speed jet that penetrates into the flesh. So it's it's not like a a ballistic, you know, launch of a bullet where you have, you know, the the force of the bullet, you know, causing an equal and opposite force or like a traditional explosion where you have a radial force expanding everywhere. It's a very controlled explosion. >> All right. Now, let me ask you this. because of the the new images that are coming out supposedly and Baron saying that he saw a burn under his nipple on the right side kind of down by his rib. Could that be explained from the jet from the shape charge burning that just that area as it was being going off? I would say it's probably more from the the um the primer charge where they they had to have a primary uh um kind of like a priming explosive to create the space they needed between the device and his flesh for the shape charge to do its work. The shape charge is just going to leave a very you know small round very clean hole. Um and um you know like the Israeli attacks of the with the with the the msad attacks with the pager they were designed to send shrapnel to their face with someone holding the device in their hands. So you it's not a direct analog even though they used the same type of explosive hidden in a battery. It wasn't they weren't designed to explode right on the person's body or like a shaped charge which would be a few centimeters away from the body. They were designed for someone to push a button looking at the pager and send shrapnel at their face basically. So, um that's why we see the differences of, you know, from a traditional explosive. It's not something that that uh we're accustomed to seeing. You can look at examples of, you know, uh armor penetrating shaped charges and kind of see how cleanly they make the holes and how they don't they they don't have to put a backing on it. They just set it on the on the metal, right? And it it makes a big giant hole. And >> a lot of people don't realize too that it's used on a much larger scale. They use it in war. Yeah. >> I mean, they use shape charges to to blow through tanks and stuff like that. So, um the technology is just miniaturaturized for this use case. >> Yeah. And it's very quiet, too. It sounds like a firework. So, you know, that's that that's the other thing about the the rifle. It's like you wouldn't need a lot of sound to kind of muff it and make it where people wouldn't notice that there was a explosion, you know, right on his person. it if just you know any sort of distraction would make it easy for people to overlook it. >> So what are your thoughts on the sound itself? So a lot of audio engineers and um audio forensics people are saying that there was a crack thump that was consistent with a high power rifle and all those things. So what are your thoughts on that? >> I absolutely think that there was a 30 off6 shot that day. Uh that I think there was a supersonic crack. um you know uh all that definitely happened but I think it was more of a ruse to provide cover for the explosion and also to tie the the assassination to the pathy. The area that it happened in is so tricky cuz there's there's a corridor. There's concrete walls on both sides, like large flat concrete walls, and then we're dealing with uh audio from cell phones, which you know, it's they clip. There's a lot of there's a lot of challenges. And the biggest biggest thing I have a problem with is that the the rifle sound came through the PA system. If you look at the videos, all the videos that the cameras can see the PA speakers, the rifle sound is so much louder than the videos where the cameras aren't in direct sight of the speakers. >> Okay. Wait, say that again. >> The the rifle sound was played through the PA speakers. So the the speakers that were playing Charlie's voice and you know the the person that he was as taking questions from, the rifle sound was without a doubt played through those speakers. Now, whether that's Charlie's microphone picked it up or some other means, but you can't deny that the videos that are close to the speakers, the rifle sound is much louder than the the videos of the where the camera's not in direct sight of the speakers. >> Some people asking about what about obviously the electrocution theory and or a taser. Would that explain what you're seeing with the body reaction? >> Um, with one hand, but the the hand that's not holding like that picture I showed you where his his fingers are almost like crossed and you know his his knees coming together. Um, you if you've ever been electrocuted, it affects where the the electricity is flowing. So, his hand that's holding the microphone, which I'm I'm using the exact same mic that Charlie used that day, by the way, >> 58. >> Yes, sir. um it would definitely grasp he would grasp and hold that microphone from that electricity, but that current would be traveling through his arm through the chair down to the ground. And that's the other problem is that he's sitting on a chair that has a plastic seat and he's sitting on like a memory foam cushion and then he's on a platform that has a composite top and aluminum aluminum frame. So like the path of conductivity is not very good either. Um can it happen? Absolutely. I was shocked. You know, when I first heard it, I was very dismissive. But when I researched, people get shocked by these microphones all the time >> because there's a ground. There's three prongs. One prong is a grounding prong. And if you if it's hooked to a PA system that's not grounded properly, anything that's amplified on that PA system can send that voltage through you. And it it takes a lot less voltage to kill you than I ever imagined. So, it absolutely is possible. It absolutely could happen, but I don't think his physical reactions necessarily match that. And then there's two other too many other unexplained things like what caused the necklace to fly off his head, what caused the shirt to balloon around, what caused the neck wound, you know, it would it would be like a unnecessary addition to already complicated attempt, assassination attempt, you know, if it was done nefariously, you know, and then he's holding the microphone on and off. like what would trigger it all of a sudden to start electric electrocuting them? Usually there's something that causes it like someone hugs someone that's wet or they drop it in water or you know they pick it up for the first time. Like there has to be a variable that changes for it to all of a sudden start to electrocute you. >> I think some people are saying like nefarious reasons, right? Like someone flipped the switch that took away the ground, right? That's kind of what I think that theory is based on. >> Yeah. And I I think it's absolutely doable. It wouldn't take a lot, but it doesn't explain everything we saw. >> Yeah. Yeah, I agree. So, he's on some kind of either carpet or industrial rubber or like tough coat, and those are all designed designed to be nonconductive. >> Yeah. >> But in So, if you get a chance after this, go check out my video on electrocution, the one where it's the the blue thumbnail. But I I spent like 50 minutes talking about all the different ways he could have been electrocuted besides the microphone itself. >> But one thing that I want to point out, too, is you were talking about the way his, you know, both hands came up, but it was only in his left hand. And typically if you're electrocuted that hand would grip on the other one would still be free to move and he'd probably be trying to rip it out of his hand and stuff like that. The other thing is and this was pointed out by Elgeist but he had his hands down in his lap with both hands on it when it started. >> Right. >> So he would have probably stayed in that position and gotten shocked in both hands and been locked in that position. Right. >> Absolutely. The fact the fact that he let go with one hand and had it in his other hand and was moving and stuff freely kind of I don't I don't want to say it like completely debunks it, but it doesn't look good for that theory. >> Yeah, it doesn't look like electrocution to me. I would say that there's from analyzing all the videos, there's definitely been a few videos that I'm very suspect of. The metadata doesn't match. They're made like 10 12 days after the event and then they're just so highly compressed. Um, and it's so easy to to modify videos nowadays. Um, so you know what I look for is consistency between angles. I know the first few angles that came out, they came out so fast after event that there's very little time for anyone to fake them. And they all happen to be very consistent from frame to frame. You don't see anything unique frame to frame in those videos than you see in, you know, any of the other originals. So, whenever I see a video that has a even a unique frame, I'm always very suspect of it. >> Another thing, too, that Jason Goodman pointed out, um, I know people have a lot of different feelings about his theory and that kind of stuff, but one thing he was pointing out early on was, um, that there was like 15, I think it was, was it 15 or 10 frame per second videos that were released, >> which that is not normal frame rate for any device I've ever seen in my entire life. So, obviously, it's been manipulated in some kind of way. >> Yeah. And if you've ever done any work with like, you know, AI engine, like it wants to do less frames. It'll do whatever it can to cheat. It'll double frames. It'll do, you know, it's very lazy in its processing. Um, and to do 30 frames a second is a lot of work. So, if it can cheat a little bit and, you know, do 10 frames, then it will. The sound would be very quiet and very directed. So only the people that were really close to Charlie would even be able to really perceive it. It would be no louder than an MAD firecracker. And I think that's where the key of the rifle shot kind of comes into play too. Put in my mind as you know the wouldbe assassin planning this. The rifle shot not only provides a tie to the pathy so you can have your fall guy but it also provides perfect cover for the uh explosion. Can can you ask and sorry we're having to play the telephone game. Okay. But can you ask John if he's comfortable? At one point we had talked a little bit about the timing of the plant explosion that had happened in Tennessee. Um can you ask him if he's if he's comfortable talking about that or if he's thought any more about that? >> Okay. Hey, Kelly is asking about the plant explosion in Tennessee and if you're comfortable talking more about that or or not. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. Um, so this was just another one of those things that was just there's a certain amount of coincidences you can overlook, but when things start to get like highly weird, it it becomes hard to ignore it. So the AES plant in Tennessee, their defense contractor, they're they were actually contracted to make these microshaped charges. They process the same explosive that I proposed is in this device. They actually make the very device that I proposed assassinated Charlie. 30 days after the the uh you know the event at UVU, the manufacturing plant that makes those microshaped chargers explodes into a million pieces. >> Wait a second. So So say that again. a manufacturing plant that has a government contract to create these very devices that I that I'm theorized killed Charlie >> exploded 30 days after the UVU event. >> Almost like a cover up. >> Exactly. So, you know, um so I looked into the employees. I saw the victim list. 16 employees died that day. God bless them. Um but in the news report, it said the production manager was brand new to the job. So, it made me curious about what happened to the old production manager. When did he leave? And so, you know, I don't want to say the G do the guy or anything, but you know, he literally left days after the event at the UVU and he doesn't have a new job. I wasn't able to contact any numbers I could find. Like, it's very, very odd. Like, he just kind of disappeared off the face of the earth. So, it's like you start to get the the vibes that something wasn't, you know, quite right there. It's suspicious timing to say the least. >> Yeah. I mean, all of that combined, that's I mean, if that's a that's definitely a good lead to chase, but that that's way too coincidental. I think >> the Lebanon explosions were pagers that were made to detonate to people's faces. Um, I'm on 2% battery, so you're about to lose me. Uh, I appreciate the buff of you having me on. It's been great. >> Yeah. And just real quick on that note, um, if he's running out of time and and we're we're hitting two hours, too. Um, so I will, uh, with your battery dying. Do you have any final thoughts? >> Um, no. I think we've covered it well. The questions were were good. Um, you know, just if you have any other questions, feel free to ask me on X. I'm I'm very open to dialogue on there. So, >> all right. 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