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Investigating the Security Breakdown
Questions continue to emerge about how a security incident occurred at Charlie Kirk's event at Utah Valley University. The university's president announced increased security measures, but UVU has remained relatively silent about the specific details of the security plan that was in place prior to the event. An investigation has revealed perspectives from two men with inside knowledge about the gaps they observed in the security setup.
Ryan Deere, an attendee at the event, expressed his concerns about the lack of visible security measures. "I thought there would be a security checkpoint, maybe a bag check," Deere said. He also wondered in the moment whether anyone was monitoring the rooftops, stating, "I didn't see anybody."
Minimal Security Presence for Large Crowd
UVU confirmed that the event was staffed with only six university police officers, plus two additional officers in plain clothes, for a crowd of 3,000 attendees. A university spokesperson stated that Kirk's team selected the outdoor central location and claimed they "verified our security posture for the buildings, making sure people aren't on the roofs."
Comparison to University of Wyoming Event
Josh Holland, chief of police at the University of Wyoming, provided insight into how his institution handled a Charlie Kirk event in April. The Wyoming event, held indoors, had stricter requirements for attendees. "No bags, no weapons, no signs, anything like that," Holland explained. Despite having a smaller crowd of 1,800 people, the University of Wyoming staffed the event with 15 officers, including both campus police and officers from a local partner agency.
"I have the advantage of having 2020 hindsight," Holland noted, highlighting the benefit of learning from past security incidents.
Former Security Director Weighs In
Greg Schaefer, the former Turning Point security director, pointed to critical lessons that should have informed the security planning at UVU. He referenced the Las Vegas massacre in 2017 as a pivotal moment for the private security industry. "That changed the paradigm for private security. You got to think about snipers. Okay, that was 2017. Then you have 2024 and you have two attacks on President Trump. Both snipers," Schaefer explained.
Schaefer observed that while guards were positioned close to Kirk at UVU to prevent a close-range attack, the overall security presence was insufficient. "Period," he emphasized, adding that more officers were needed along with dedicated surveillance of nearby rooftops.
Shifting Security Priorities
"That's always been the main threat is somebody getting in the inner circle and attacking Charlie. Okay, you're not necessarily thinking about those long distance shots," Schaefer said, explaining how security priorities have had to evolve in light of recent events.
Lack of Multi-Agency Coordination
In Wyoming, campus police coordinated with other local agencies to increase manpower for Kirk's event. Investigators asked whether similar coordination occurred at UVU. The Utah County Sheriff's Office confirmed they were not involved until after the shooting occurred. UVU police have not responded to inquiries about their coordination efforts.
Record requests have been filed for detailed information about UVU's security plan for the event.
Video Transcript
[00:00] There's still those questions as to how
[00:02] something like this happened in the
[00:03] first place. Our team of investigators
[00:05] has been looking into security. Daniela
[00:07] Rivera joins us now with what she's
[00:09] found out. Daniela. That's right,
[00:11] Debbie. The president of UVU said this
[00:14] week they're increasing security, but
[00:16] the university has been somewhat tight
[00:18] lipped about details of the security
[00:20] plan prior to the event. We spoke with
[00:22] two men with inside perspective about
[00:25] gaps they saw in the setup. I thought
[00:28] there would be a security checkpoint,
[00:29] maybe a bag check.
[00:31] Ryan Deere is among those still
[00:33] questioning the security plan for
[00:35] Charlie Kirk's event. He says he
[00:36] wondered in the moment if anyone was
[00:38] guarding the rooftops.
[00:40] I I didn't see anybody.
[00:41] UVU confirmed the event was staffed with
[00:43] six university police officers plus two
[00:46] more in plain clothes for a crowd of
[00:48] 3,000. A spokesperson said Kirk's team
[00:51] chose the outdoor central location. We
[00:53] verified our security posture for the
[00:56] buildings, making sure people aren't on
[00:57] the roofs.
[00:58] Josh Holland is a chief of police at the
[01:00] University of Wyoming where Kirk spoke
[01:02] at an indoor event in April. He said
[01:04] there were more requirements there for
[01:06] attendees.
[01:07] No bags, no weapons, no signs, anything
[01:09] like that.
[01:10] He says they staffed the event with 15
[01:12] officers, some campus police, and some
[01:14] from a local partner agency for a crowd
[01:16] of 1,800.
[01:17] I have the um the advantage of having
[01:20] 2020 hindsight. Greg Schaefer is the
[01:22] former Turning Point security director.
[01:24] He says the Vegas massacre in 2017 was a
[01:27] learning moment for those in his field.
[01:29] That changed the paradigm for private
[01:32] security. You got to think about
[01:33] snipers. Okay, that was 2017. Then you
[01:36] have 2024 and you have two attacks on
[01:39] President Trump. Both snipers.
[01:41] He says guards were positioned close to
[01:43] Kirk at UVU to avoid a closeup attack,
[01:46] but more officers were needed. Period.
[01:48] and eyes on nearby rooftops.
[01:51] That's always been the main threat is
[01:52] somebody getting in the inner circle and
[01:54] attacking Charlie. Okay, you're not
[01:56] necessarily thinking about those long
[01:58] distance shots.
[02:02] In Wyoming, campus police coordinated
[02:04] with other local agencies for more
[02:06] manpower. We've asked whether that
[02:08] happened here. The Utah County Sheriff's
[02:10] Office told us they were not involved
[02:12] until the shooting occurred or police
[02:14] have not gotten back to us yet. We've
[02:16] also filed record requests for details
[02:18] about UVU's security plan. Debbie
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