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The Assassination of Charlie Kirk: What Happened at Utah Valley University on September 10th, 2025
Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA and prominent conservative activist, was fatally shot while taking questions at his American Comeback Tour event at Utah Valley University. The shooting occurred in front of his wife and two young children, ages one and three. Despite being rushed to a nearby SUV, Kirk succumbed to his injuries from what appears to have been a rifle shot to the neck. The shooter remains at large, and several individuals were briefly detained and released. Kirk's influence extended far beyond political circles, he was known for his measured, dialogue-focused approach to political discourse, regularly engaging in campus debates and challenging conversations across ideological lines.
The Reach and Influence of Charlie Kirk
Charlie Kirk was a titan of conservative activism in the United States. He had such a large reach that his influence extended well beyond the hyper-online political circles. He appealed to normal people having real debates about transgenderism and other issues of the day. His reach was much further than people realized.
He was a regular figure of attention from the left, and the attacks against him were often horrible. Yet anyone who watched Charlie Kirk's debates or commentaries knew he wasn't a raging firebrand. He was measured, reasonable, and genuinely tried to have conversations. That's precisely why some found him so challenging—he didn't give opponents the opportunity to simply shout retorts or slurs. He was so reasonable that it exposed when others were incapable of articulating their worldview.
Charlie Kirk was a complete gentleman in these exchanges. One of the most disturbing aspects of this tragedy is that he was the dialogue guy. His entire approach was being a debate advocate—being there for the democratic process, engaging in public discourse in the marketplace of ideas so people could talk out their differences and maybe find common ground. That was his entire point.
The Events of September 10th at Utah Valley University
The shooting occurred at Utah Valley University during Kirk's American Comeback Tour. The event had only just begun when tragedy struck. Shortly after the start, Kirk was taking questions from people lined up at a microphone—a fairly standard format that he regularly used. Whoever wanted to come up and ask him a question or challenge him could do so, and then they would have a back and forth discussion over it. It was the classic Charlie Kirk format.
A single shot rang out. Based on the range and the nature of the injury, it appears to have been a rifle shot. The bullet appears to have struck Kirk from the right side, bouncing off his upper chest before hitting him in the neck. Some believe Kirk was wearing rifle armor—hexagonal ceramic plates able to deflect rifle bullets—which may explain why the bullet appeared to deflect off his chest before striking his neck.
The injury was catastrophic. The amount of blood, the nature of the wound, and the immediate loss of blood pressure meant that even if paramedics had been standing one foot away, survival would have been nearly impossible. The only small mercy is that Kirk would have lost consciousness either immediately or almost immediately.
Charlie Kirk's Family Witnessed the Attack
Charlie Kirk was 31 years old. He had two young children, ages one and three, and a wife. His young children were there at the event when he was murdered in cold blood in broad daylight. The hope is that they were not old enough to retain a lasting memory of witnessing their father's death, though his wife will carry this trauma forever.
Kirk was rushed to a waiting SUV, but it was in vain. There was no ambulance on site at the time of the shooting, which raised questions about security protocols for public figures, though it's unclear whether an ambulance would normally be present at such events.
Confusion Over Suspects and Arrests
In the immediate aftermath, several individuals were detained. One older man in his 70s, of Jewish background and a registered Democrat, was arrested briefly but later released. He had been arrested for obstructing justice. His behavior was very strange—he was shouting and appeared to be causing some sort of distraction. He reportedly had what appeared to be a gun, but it turned out to be a pellet gun.
There were reports that a 25-year-old was also arrested but was subsequently ruled out. Kash Patel at one point indicated they had apprehended the person responsible, but it later transpired that the individuals detained were not the shooter.
The profile of the detained individual raised questions. Political assassins are rarely older individuals—they're nearly always extremely young, in their 20s or even younger. That said, there are exceptions. The Steve Scalise shooting at the baseball game was carried out by a 66-year-old man. The radicalized individual consuming mainstream media and acting on that radicalization is not unprecedented.
Evidence Pointing to the Actual Shooter
Footage emerged showing what appears to be a person on a rooftop, with additional footage showing someone running away from that location shortly after the shooting. While unconfirmed, this is heavily speculated to be the actual shooter.
The shot itself was estimated at about 200 yards—not meters, but yards, which is approximately 600 feet. In the context of shooting ranges, this would be considered mid-range. It's not an extremely long shot—world record shots exceed four miles, and very good amateur shooters can hit targets at a mile with certain calibers. However, the shot was elevated, which significantly complicates the difficulty.
Elevated shots require calculating bullet drop and working out angles. To achieve a direct hit with one shot suggests the shooter was not an amateur, though not necessarily a military-grade professional sniper. Anyone from a reasonably skilled amateur to a professional could potentially make that shot. What stands out more than the shot itself is the apparent coolheaded execution and smooth getaway.
Suspicious Behavior Caught on Camera
One piece of footage shows a man at the event who, while everyone else was ducking for cover, turned around toward the roof and appeared to be cheering. He was looking directly along the path the bullet traveled, toward the roof where the shot originated. Unlike everyone else making themselves small and low to avoid additional shots, this individual showed no concern about more rounds being fired. This person needs to be questioned, as his behavior suggests possible foreknowledge or involvement.
The Shooter Remains at Large
As of the afternoon of September 11th, 2025, the shooter remains at large. This is both incredible and deeply worrying. While there are amateur shooters capable of making difficult shots, the smooth getaway is what truly stands out as unusual. The coming hours and days will reveal whether the shooter is apprehended, though some speculate he may have already fled the country.
For Charlie Kirk's family and for the principles of open dialogue and democratic discourse that he championed, it is already too late. The marketplace of ideas lost one of its most committed advocates, murdered for the simple act of engaging in conversation.
Video Transcript
Now, I think probably worth giving a bit
of preamble here. Um, Charlie Kirk was a
titan of conservative activism in the
United States. Uh, he had such a large
reach in fact that when I went to bed
last night, my wife was like, "Did you
hear about Charlie Kirk?" And I was
like, "How do you know who Charlie Kirk
is?" I used to watch his debates all the
time. I had no idea that my wife was a
Charlie Ko fan because she just never
brought it up. And this is the sort of
thing I'm talking about. It's like he
had a a reach that was much further than
people realize because he appealed to
the actual normal debates normal people
were really having in the real world
about transgenderism about whatever
whatever issue of the day was. And so
the kind of hyper online political types
that you know the sort of environment we
operate in uh he reached well beyond
this and had a enormous influence on
political uh commentary and politics
generally uh conservative politics
generally especially but also on
left-wing politics actually. Um he was a
regular figure of hate for uh the left
and honestly I really would feel bad for
the way that they would frankly go at
him. It was horrible. It was absolutely
horrible. Especially as if you've ever
watched any of Charlie Kirk's debates or
any of his commentaries. Uh he isn't a
he wasn't sorry I have to say a raging
fire brand.
>> I think that's why they hated him. It's
it's it's easier to deal with somebody
who's coming at you strong because they
can just brush it off and they can just
they can shout their retorts and they
can shout their slurs. Charlie didn't
give them the opportunity to do that. He
was so reasonable and so measured and he
genuinely tried to have conversations
and it and it simply exposed the fact
that these people are incapable of
articulating their worldview.
>> He was a he was a complete gentleman
about these things. One of the most
disturbing aspects of this is that he
was the dialogue guy.
>> Yes.
>> The entiret stick was being a debate
bro. All right. I'm here for the
democratic process to engage in the
public discourse in the marketplace of
ideas so we can talk out our differences
and maybe find common ground. That was
his entire point.
>> What it says is of course we don't want
dialogue. We're not interested in
dialogue.
>> Well, I think um we'll come back to that
in a bit. Um because I think what might
be worth doing is um just saying you
know Dan and myself are both fathers. Um
Charlie was 31 years old. He had two
young children and a wife. So um just
it could be any of us
>> and and his young children were there
>> and his young children were there which
is just awful. Um but anyway let's let's
begin by going through the actual
details of what happened um as much as
we know them.
>> All right. Yeah. So, uh, the whole
podcast today is going to be about about
Charlie. Yes. Um, different different
aspects of what happened and and his
life and everything. Uh, so to begin
with, just the events of yesterday.
Um, so, uh, here's an image of him not
long before throwing out MAGA hats. Um,
and it was in it was in Utah, Utah
Valley University. Um, it was called the
American Comeback Tour. So we obviously
had a number of you would I can only
assume we had a number of events lined
up and um and yeah so as I understand
shortly after it began shortly after
very shortly after it began I believe uh
sort of a single shot rang out
>> um
>> so Charlie was taking questions from
people lined up to a microphone right it
was a fairly standard format that he
does
>> uh you know whoever wants to come up and
ask him a question and challenge him
challenges him and then he answers the
question and then they have a back and
forth over it.
>> Classic Charlie Kirk format.
>> Nothing.
>> Uh, one thing to say, we're not going to
show any of the clips. There's one long
range, low resolution clip and one
terribly distressing uh close-up clip,
and we're not going to show either of
those. Um, but they're all over the
internet. If
>> just a warning to people, if if you're
thinking of looking it up and and
person, my view is that I wanted to see
it because I wanted to face it. I want
to I want to see evil for what it is,
but it is horrific. So if you if you
haven't seen it, um just take a measure
of whether you really want to or not.
>> Yeah, I mean we are going to talk we're
not going to show it, but we are going
to talk about it um a bit anyway. Um I
would just say um that I act personally
I actively try and avoid anything like
that. But I did seek this one out and
watch it just because I know we've got
to talk about it and it's sort of it's
actually important. It's not just a
random murder.
>> Yeah. Um, so but it is terri terrible,
terribly graphic. Uh, really really just
distressing. Horrible, horrible. Um,
so okay. Um,
yeah, a single shot rang out and, um,
seems like it was must have been a
rifle,
right? If it was if it was over any sort
of range, it would have had to have been
a long
>> Yeah.
>> Um people people running away and um I
mean at first uh when it first happened,
well, I'll talk about my experience. I
was recording with Nate from the little
channel I've got with him in the state
of politics yesterday evening. I came in
about 8:00 to record with him and I
hadn't seen it. I hadn't been on Twitter
for a few hours. He just said Charlie
shot Charlie Kirk has been shot. And it
was the first I'd heard of it. We and we
no one knew if he was had survived or
not.
>> Um and there was the the grainy long
range clip where you could see he'd been
hit, but beyond that you just didn't
know. Um and so we did a a recording and
um in that we're still saying we hope
he's all right and stuff. But it it
emerged. People were saying he's been
taken to hospital, there's lots of
blood, but he's been taken to hospital
and he's stable. That was the news for a
while.
>> Yeah. I I was following it adamantly on
my phone obviously because uh someone me
I can't remember who it was messaged me
with a Charlie codes mechan I was like
what and this was almost immediately
after the news had broken so I was
looking and couldn't really see anything
and then I started seeing it popping up
and so for about an hour I guess I can't
remember how long it was now I was just
glued to my phone just refreshing hoping
because and they were like oh people
immediately like look at that wound
which you could see very quite clearly
in the in the videos he's he's not going
to make it. But then you had reports
that uh from people who were with him in
the hospital saying no, he's he's in
critical condition, but he's
>> would have been a miracle if he had
survived that.
>> And then yeah, it was uh Tim that I saw
that uh tweeted he's gone and I was
like, "Okay, well, the worst has
happened then, hasn't it?"
>> Well, I saw the the Trump tweet or maybe
it was a truth social saying confirming
that he's gone. Um
so yeah um to talk about the actual
thing um just because this segment is
supposed to be about just the facts. Um
to begin with it looks like on the
closer footage looks like it's just shot
in the left hand side of the neck but on
closer slow-mo
it does look like it's actually shot
from the right hand side and it bounces
off his upper chest and then clips him
in the neck or hits him in the neck. So,
I was speaking to Tim P about this and
he believes that Charlie was wearing
something that they call rifle armor,
which is hexagonal uh ceramic plates uh
that are able to deflect rifle bullets.
Rifle bullets being powerful and um not
usually the sort of thing that a Kevlar
vest or whatever could stop. And that's
why it appears to sort of deflect off
his chest and then into his neck. Mhm.
>> Um
>> but I mean when I when I saw it, it's so
distressing, but when I saw it, I'm no
doctor,
>> but immediately that's I see that's an
unservivable
thing. Uh the amount of blood, that
injury, uh just the sheer loss of blood,
the loss of blood pressure, you get no
oxygen to the brain.
If there were paramedics one foot away
from him, I don't think he would have
survived that. Terrible, terrible.
>> I don't think I don't think you could
have survived that if if you got shot in
the operating room, right? Yeah. Well,
yeah.
You can't replace like that artery or
the jugular or whatever. So terrible.
The only small tiny tiny mercy is that
it would have been quick. I imagine he
would have lost consciousness either
immediately or almost immediately.
>> Um
>> yeah.
>> So I mean it's not much of a saving
grace, but there is there is that at the
least um at the very least. Although
what it must have been like for his um
young family and children sat there
watching it
>> to be murdered in cold blood in broad
daylight in front of your wife and
children.
>> Yeah.
>> Just absolutely despicable.
>> One one and three I think they are.
>> We were saying just before I I hope they
don't remember it obviously. I hope
they're not old enough to hold a memory
of it. Um absolutely.
Um, and he was taken to uh he was rushed
to a a waiting SUV, but of course it was
in vain. We don't need to see it anyway.
>> No, there there was no ambulance there,
>> which is a strange thing, isn't it?
>> Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't necessarily
>> I mean, there wouldn't normally be,
would there?
>> I I'm not sure.
>> There's not an ambulance when you go and
speak at university or something, is
there? Like
>> I I'm not sure. I think that if there's
a sufficiently large gathering, I think
like protocols suggest there should be.
Maybe there will be going forward going
forward.
>> People like Charlie Kirk might want to
think about or having a persplex style.
>> Oh yeah. Like screen
>> like Trump was like the sixth
>> like like the president or the pope or
something.
>> Well, if if if we carry on doing the
dialogue thing. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Uh so to begin with it broke
immediately. I mean while I was still
recording with Nate it broke that that
this chap uh was the shooter or was
responsible. Um and it it subsequently
emerged that he's not
>> he's not so
>> he was arrested for a short period of
time.
>> Yeah.
>> And then then he was I I saw the uh the
I think it was the governor or was it
the chief of police who was saying that
he was he had been arrested but for
obstructing justice.
His behavior is very strange. It's
almost like he was causing some sort of
distraction or something. I mean he he
he was shouting you know he was shouting
shoot me. I mean, he was
>> Was he the guy shot and shoot me?
>> Yes, I think he had I think he had a gun
as well, but it turned out to just be a
pellet gun.
>> Yeah, I think that might have been the
next one. I'm not sure.
>> Um Okay. Cuz because someone else was
arrested and then released, right?
>> I I think that was him.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Um
>> uh you see a guy, one of the cops here
with holding a gun at one point, but
anyway, um
>> it's not a firearm.
>> We don't know much about this guy. We
know we know that he's an older man in
his 70s. He's of Jewish background. He's
a registered Democrat. But I mean, apart
from that,
>> so
>> yeah.
>> Um
question.
>> Was he involved in a conspiracy? I
meaning just more than one person. By
definition is a conspiracy. Who knows?
We don't know.
>> We don't know. It only happened
yesterday. Um but
yeah, so Cash Patel at one point said,
"We've got the person." But then it
later transpired that they had
>> So I I think he's referring to a
different guy that we don't have a photo
of.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. I there was a report that a
25-year-old was also arrested.
>> Subsequently being ruled out,
>> but he's been ruled out too. So
>> when I first saw the um the the the
older chap um my immediate reaction,
because we've done stuff about assassins
before and I've been interested in
political assassination throughout
history, my immediate reaction was
>> probably not. It's hardly ever an old
guy. That said, the second the second
Trump attempted shooter was an older
guy, wasn't it?
>> It's not unprecedented. Yeah, there have
been assassins in their 40s and 50s or
even 60s, but it's super rare. It's a
tiny minority of them.
>> Sorry. Sorry, carry on.
>> Yeah. Um, so it's not impossible, but
it's it's it's unlikely. Um,
okay. So, there's some uh uh some
evidence have emerged of people saying
that there's a guy on the on
>> just a quick thing there. Yeah, I I
thought I was right. The Steve Scaliz
shooting at the the mass shooting at the
baseball game was a 66-y old man,
>> right?
>> So, it does happen. The radicalized
boomer is a thing.
>> Yeah. No. And throughout history,
occasionally it'll be a middle-aged
person.
>> Actually, the guy the guy
>> nearly always someone extremely young in
their 20s or even younger sometimes of
assassins that are like
>> randomly insulted Rand Paul. He was an
older guy and and more than that, he was
actually his neighbor as well. He he but
he was just watching mainstream media
one day and
>> watching MSNBC looking right up.
>> Yeah. You think he'd already been
>> So this is footage of people claiming we
again we don't know.
>> Yeah.
>> Bit of speculation here that this person
on on the roof there was the shooter.
>> Assuming that isn't even a person on the
roof. It's hard to say what that is.
>> I think it is because
>> I'm sure it is. There's another footage
of him running away.
>> Yeah, I've got that. I've got I've got
that. Um in fact, it might be the next
thing. Yeah. So here's a clip. Um,
is it Oh, well, okay. Let's just watch
the clip. It will
>> see that. It's quite quick, but this
person running off there. Uh,
again, we don't know if that is the
shooter, but that's what's sort of being
heavily speculated at this point.
>> I mean, if I was a betting man, which I
am,
>> I would definitely put my money on that
being the shooter.
>> Yeah. Um so again just to keep just to
the facts um
um it would have been a kind of a well
people discuss whether it's a long range
shot or not. They're saying it's about
200 yards not meters yards. Now if it's
a a rifle
>> about 600 ft
>> uh in that ballpark in that ballpark.
>> So I mean I would consider that a fairly
long range and I've been to shooting
ranges they're usually about 50 feet.
>> Okay. So when we talk about these sorts
of things, it's like talking about
tanks.
>> Everyone out there has got their own
opinion and and and things.
>> I would say I've been shooting ranges
where that would be considered
mid-range.
>> Uh well, I would say this 200 yards
isn't that far.
>> No.
>> So for example, just to put it into
perspective, like the sort of world
records level stuff is like
>> over four miles.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Like 7,700
>> yards. Yeah. Plus. Okay. But that's the
extreme.
>> You're not even expect
Yeah, that's like world record stuff.
Okay. But um a very very good shooter,
amateur shooter can hit something with
sort of 308 at like a mile. That's not
great. That's that's doable for a very
good amateur to hit something doing that
is very achievable.
>> So right, so 200 yards in the scheme.
It's not a close range. I'm not saying
that. But it's not that far.
>> That looks like more than 200 yards.
Well,
>> that's what that's what is all over
>> the thing at the moment is 200 y. Uh the
thing though I would say about it is
that if he if that if the shooter was on
the roof there, it is elevated.
>> Yeah.
>> And now that does make the shot a lot
more difficult cuz um Stephan Molyneu
saw I think he did. I saw someone
retweeting him and I couldn't find it so
maybe it wasn't. So apologies to Stephan
if I've got this wrong but he came out I
think and said that's a professional
shot. I would say not necessarily. It's
a difficult shot. It's not the easiest
of shots, but you don't have to be a
military grade sniper to make that shot
is what I'm I would say in the comments.
People may disagree with me on that.
>> I don't know what the difficulty factor
on elevated shots is up.
>> Well, cuz bullet drop.
>> Oh, yeah. I appreciate that. I just
>> You'd have to literally like cosign work
out the angles and stuff.
>> Um, so it's not it's not straightforward
if you're elevated either up or down.
>> Um, so whoever did it is obviously not
an amateur.
>> Yeah. To to get one shot direct hit. uh
which should have been through the chest
which obviously would have been fatal
immediately.
>> So and it's not it's not just the shot
as well. It's the um immediate
coolheaded get up and move.
>> Yeah.
>> That as well. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They're not panicking. They
they have a plan to get out
>> and and evidently um they did. Yes.
>> Um, so all I would say is that it could
be anyone from a reasonably good amateur
all the way up to who knows, you know, a
professional sniper, but doesn't
necessarily have to be some sort of
professional, but okay. So, there you
go. The other thing I I will draw some
attention to that's just fact um is is
this this clip that that gentleman
there.
>> See, I'm being sarcastic calling him a
gentleman. There are a lot of these.
>> Everyone else uh ducking down, but he's
turning around to that roof and uh not
just cheering obviously that's
despicable.
>> Yeah,
>> but like turn around to to the roof of
that like that that guy needs to be
questioned.
>> He he does seem to be signaling. I mean,
he's looking up
>> at the roof cuz that's where Charlie was
and it hit him on the right side. So,
he's looking directly along the path the
bullet has traveled. So,
>> and not scared about taking a round
himself clearly.
>> Yeah, exactly. I mean, like everyone
else is like, "Okay, there may be more
shots coming. Make myself as low and
small as possible."
>> This guy clearly not worried about more
shots coming. Why not?
>> He needs to be questioned.
>> Yeah,
>> absolutely.
Um so okay that that's most of the facts
other than to say
uh that at this moment of recording
about 20 past 1 Greenwich main time on
September the 11th 2025 the shooter is
at large
um which is I mean obviously incredible
and worrying. Yeah
>> that to me more than anything I mean
more than the shot because you know
there there are plenty of amateurs who
go to gun rangers who who get good at
shots and okay the elevation may have
been a factor in a complication of it.
>> Yeah. They can work that out via chat
GT.
>> But there there are plenty of good um
amateur shooters, but for me the thing
that stands out is the getaway.
>> Yeah,
>> very smooth.
>> Appears to be. I mean, we'll see in the
coming hours or days whether he is
apprehended.
>> Um we'll see. Obviously, we hope we hope
he is. But it's a bit late now, isn't
it?
>> Yeah. I mean, it's it's I think Charlie
and his family
>> assume that he's fled the country,
right?
>> So,
>> who knows? Who who knows? But okay,
>> those are the facts that we have at the
moment.