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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.

Tom Homan Reveals the Slow Motion Insurrection Happening in America's Cities Right Now

Categories: Interviews
July 16, 2025

Tom Homan joins Charlie Kirk to expose the coordinated attacks on ICE agents across sanctuary cities and the shocking discovery of child labor at illegal marijuana operations in California. Homan discusses the border reaching its most secure state in American history, with crossings down 99% and gotaways dropping from 1,800 per day under Biden to just 11. He announces plans to triple down on sanctuary cities like Chicago, Portland, and Los Angeles, confirming President Trump's directive: zero tolerance for those who attack ICE agents, no amnesty for illegal aliens, and a goal of 100,000 detention beds with 10,000 new ICE agents, the largest expansion in agency history.

The California Raid That Exposed Child Trafficking

Tom Homan opens with a stark warning about what he calls a "slow motion insurrection" happening in American cities. The former acting ICE director, now back in his role under the Trump administration, describes a recent operation in California that uncovered disturbing truths about illegal marijuana farms and child exploitation.

"We're serving criminal search warrants," Homan explains. "It wasn't your normal immigration raid. We're serving criminal warrants as part of a criminal investigation into illegal weed farms, child trafficking, and labor violations. We were there enforcing the laws of this country and the protesters showed up in force assaulting officers."

The operation discovered unaccompanied alien children as young as 12 years old working at the facility. These were children who crossed the border under the Biden administration and were subsequently lost in the system. During the raid, an individual discharged a weapon at ICE officers, an incident now under FBI investigation.

"The media calls this a farm," Charlie Kirk interjects. "These are illegal 12-year-olds producing marijuana illegally. Investigations are continuing into whether these children were even being paid or if they were working off smuggling fees."

The Philosophy Behind Mass Migration

Homan addresses a fundamental principle that drives illegal immigration: "No one hires an illegal alien out of the goodness of their heart. They hire them to work them harder, pay them less, and undercut their competition who has U.S. citizen employees and drive labor rates down."

He shares a personal story about needing roof repairs years ago. A father-son roofing team told him they had lost their successful business with over 20 American employees because they couldn't compete with companies using illegal labor at $7 per hour versus the $20 per hour they paid citizens. The family business was reduced to doing small repair jobs.

Charlie Kirk shares his own recent experience at a local Catholic church where a marble installation project stalled when the original contractor's entire workforce self-deported. Within 48 hours, the contractor found American workers who performed better work for only $2-3 more per hour, finishing the project on schedule.

"Black America has been treated terribly by the Democrat Party," Kirk adds. "You want to know who's been treated the worst by mass migration? Black America. How many black Americans who used to do a lot of these jobs happily—carpentry, woodworking—and all of a sudden you bring in a steady flow of illegal labor."

Homan confirms this observation with another example: "When I was ICE director a few years back, we did a worksite enforcement operation on a plant in Chicago that made sausage. We arrested a lot of illegal aliens there. Within two weeks they were back open, replaced by black labor. Gave them our jobs."

The Border: From Crisis to Most Secure in History

The transformation at the southern border represents one of the most dramatic policy reversals in recent memory. Homan provides specific numbers that illustrate the magnitude of change.

"Under the Biden administration, they averaged 1,800 gotaways every day," Homan states. "Known gotaways because we have video, drones, traffic sensors. 1,800 a day on average. You know how many there were yesterday? Eleven. Eleven is too many. We'll close that down. But we went from 1,800 to 11."

The numbers for apprehensions are equally striking. Yesterday, there were only 99 crossings along the entire 2,000-mile border. More importantly: "How many got released? Zero. How many got released last month? Zero. How many the month before that? Zero. We ended catch and release."

The effects extend beyond immigration statistics. "Fentanyl seizures have dropped in half. Sex trafficking of women and children are decimated. The number of Americans dying from fentanyl has dropped significantly. Sex trafficking is decreased to a level we've never seen before. President Trump, by having a secure border, saves lives every day."

The Two Million Gotaways: A National Security Nightmare

Homan identifies what he considers the greatest security threat facing America: the gotaways from the Biden years.

"Over 400 people on the terrorist watch list were arrested coming across the southern border under Joe Biden. Under Trump 45? Fourteen. Compared to 400. But what scares me most is the two million plus gotaways. Why did two million people pay more to get away?"

He explains the economics: "You pay the cartel one amount of money to just get to the border, turn yourself into the green uniform, get a free airline ticket to the city of your choice, get a free hotel room, three meals a day, and work authorization. So why did two million people pay more not to get that free giveaway program? Because they didn't want to be arrested. They didn't want to be fingerprinted. They didn't want to be vetted. That scares the hell out of me. Who were they? Why did they pay more to get away?"

The vetting problem extends to those who were processed. "Secretary Mayorkas will stand on stage and say, 'Oh, they're properly vetted. They're all properly vetted.' That's a bunch of garbage. We don't have access to most countries' criminal data. Do you really think the Chinese and the Russians and people from Syria, do you really think those governments are sharing any data with us, especially national security data? These people weren't properly vetted and that's why we're working so hard to find them because they do pose the biggest national security vulnerability I've seen in my lifetime."

Targeting Sanctuary Cities

Rather than avoiding confrontation with hostile jurisdictions, Homan announces a strategy of direct engagement with sanctuary cities.

"The mayor of Chicago said I wasn't welcome in Chicago. Guess where I was the next day? Chicago. And I'm going to Portland," Homan declares. "President Trump said it the other day: sanctuary cities, we're going to prioritize sanctuary cities. We're going to send massive amounts of aid to sanctuary cities because we know we have a problem. We know they're releasing public safety threats back into the community every day."

The strategy is simple: "We don't have that problem in Florida. Every sheriff from Florida is working with us thanks to the great Governor DeSantis. So we'll take resources from Florida, we'll throw them in New York, we'll throw them in LA, we'll throw them in Portland, we'll throw them in Chicago, we'll throw them in Seattle. Every sanctuary city that wants to double down on ICE, we're going to triple down. We're going to flood the zone in the neighborhoods, flood the zone at worksites. We're going to win this war."

The Big Beautiful Bill: Resources for Enforcement

The recently passed legislation provides ICE with unprecedented resources. Homan outlines what the funding enables:

  • Completion of the border wall, including technology that the Biden administration stopped installing—creating a "smart wall" that allows agents to communicate in dead zones and detect when someone approaches, climbs, or digs under the wall
  • 10,000 new ICE agents—"the biggest plus-up in ICE we've seen in the history of the agency"
  • Expansion from 50,000 detention beds to 100,000 beds
  • Additional transportation contracts
  • More contractors to handle administrative work, freeing agents with badges and guns for street operations
  • Enhanced technology at ports of entry to facilitate legal trade while maximizing contraband detection

"Right now we got 5,000 deportation officers and over 20 million illegal aliens in this country," Homan notes. "This is a huge plus-up. More boots on the ground."

The goal is ambitious. While the media focuses on a target of 3,000 deportations per day, Homan puts that number in perspective: "3,000 a day is nothing. If you do the math, we would have to arrest 7,000 a day for the rest of the administration just to remove those that Biden released into the country. You're not talking about the 15 million plus already here. So 3,000 a day is a drop in the bucket. With the big beautiful bill now passed, just watch and see what happens."

Self-Deportation and Consequences

Studies show a multiplier effect for enforcement actions. "For every one person that we deport, there could be upwards of 10 people that self-deport," Kirk explains.

Homan confirms: "Studies have been done showing over close to 1 million have already left the country on their own or through the app. I think a big part of that is what we're doing right now. We got over a thousand arrest teams on the streets of this nation arresting illegal aliens every day. Of course, prioritizing the public safety threats and national security threats first. But they see now you can wait and let us find you and deport you, or you can leave on your own, get your affairs in order, and make yourself available for other opportunities in the future if they come up."

The principle is straightforward: "Consequences matter. Bad behavior doesn't change unless there's consequences, and we're showing consequences."

Employer Accountability Coming

For decades, worksite enforcement has been minimal. That's changing.

"Just a couple weeks ago, I gave a direction to ICE that I want to see many, many, many more criminal prosecutions at worksites," Homan announces. "Employers, people that know they are processing fraudulent social security numbers—we're going to prosecute not only the employer, but if you use a false social security card, a false green card, you're going to get prosecuted too. Zero tolerance."

He recounts the failure of the 1986 amnesty: "I was a special agent at the time. I conducted criminal investigations. I can tell you over 85% of those applications were fraudulent. People just went to a farmer, gave him a hundred bucks, he gave you a letter saying, 'Yeah, he worked for me for 90 days from this day to that day.' There were no checks and balances on that. It was just ripe for fraud. That was a failure of the 1986 amnesty, and it will happen again."

The Asylum Scam

Homan dismantles the narrative around asylum seekers with hard data.

"They keep calling these people asylum seekers. They have a right to claim asylum. They got a right to see a judge. Well, here's the facts based on immigration court data of the last decade: nine out of 10 people who claim asylum at the border end up with an order of removal. They're asylum cheaters because they're not escaping fear and persecution from their home government because of race, religion, political affiliation, or membership in a specific social group. They're coming here for a better life. And I get that, but it's not asylum."

The system is easily gamed: "In the first interview on the border, the threshold's so low. The cartels teach you a couple key phrases. Okay, you pass the first interview, you come in. But when you get to immigration court, the threshold of proof is much, much higher."

The solution: "Easy fix—make the first interview threshold equal to the judicial threshold. Then look out."

The backlog harms legitimate refugees: "While they're cheating the system and backing the system up by five, seven, nine years, there are actually thousands of people in this world that really do need our protection from their countries and they're sitting in the back seat."

No Amnesty, Period

Both Homan and Kirk emphasize there will be no amnesty under this administration.

"I know the president made some comments about farmers. I know Department of Labor, DHS, and the Department of Agriculture are all getting together talking about possible options, but there will be no amnesty. It can't happen. When you reward illegal behavior, it is not going to stop. We're a nation of laws. We need to finally say enough, we're done," Homan states.

"I talked to the president and he said there will be no amnesty. He said the same thing to me on a phone call a couple days ago. No amnesty, period. And he's been clear on that."

Kirk warns about the practical impossibility of any time-based amnesty: "Let's say somebody says, 'Well, if you've been here for 15 years, you can stay and you get legal residency.' Do we have any record of when any illegal has come across the border?"

"No," Homan confirms.

"So therefore, if you say if you've been here for 15 years you can stay, wouldn't every illegal just say the magic words, hocus pocus, I've been here for 15 years? And even if you could prove otherwise in court, that happened in 1986."

Beyond the fraud issue, Kirk identifies a procedural problem: "What it would do is suspend all deportations in real time because all they'd have to do is say the magic words and you'd have to adjudicate it and it would backlog the courts and you wouldn't be able to have hands on any illegal alien."

Family Separation and Birthright Citizenship

Homan addresses the accusation that ICE is separating families.

"The media says we're deporting U.S. citizens. We're not deporting U.S. citizens. I said this from day one: if you're in the country illegally and you choose to have a child, that's on you. And when you get an order of deportation, it's parenting 101. Either you take the child with you or leave them with a relative, the other spouse. Having a U.S. citizen child in this country doesn't make you immune from our laws because if that's the message we send to the whole world, you're never going to fix this problem."

Kirk asks: "Can you do a mass deportation without separating families?"

"We deport them together," Homan responds.

Kirk advocates for ending birthright citizenship, though he's pessimistic about Supreme Court action: "We need to get rid of birthright citizenship. It's awful. I'm not optimistic the Supreme Court's probably going to wuss out on that, but I hope we get a victory there."

The Doxing Crisis and Agent Safety

One of the most dangerous developments is the systematic doxing of ICE agents and their families.

"The doxing is at a level we've never seen before," Homan explains. "They're not just doxing the agents, they're doxing their wives and their kids through social media. So they're wearing a mask to protect themselves. And I support it 100%."

The double standard is glaring: "It's okay for BLM to wear masks. It's okay for the rioters to wear masks on college campuses that want to attack Jewish students. It's okay for criminals to wear masks. But the reason ICE is wearing masks is because of the doxing."

Legislative efforts to unmask ICE agents face resistance: "These legislators say, 'Well, we want to unmask ICE.' But the criminal protesters that turn criminal and violent and attack ICE agents, they haven't said a word about their masks. I support ICE wearing a mask. And I don't care what the legislation says. They're never going to pass it because we control both houses and we're going to continue doing what we're doing to keep the agents safe."

The threats are serious and widespread: "I got more death threats than anybody. I had a thousand protesters show up at my house. And I'll say it again: you want some, come get some."

But his concern focuses on his team: "The men and women of ICE, they are American heroes. And I want everyone to remember this: every member of ICE, every deportation officer, they're mothers and fathers too. They have kids. They don't hang their heart on a hook when they come to work. They're enforcing the laws that Congress enacted and that they appropriated with funding to do, and they're executing orders by a federal judge to deport somebody. They're not making this up. If you don't like what ICE does, then change the law. Until then, we're going to enforce the law without apology."

Zero Tolerance for Attacks

During the interview, Homan receives direct guidance from President Trump on handling protesters.

"Last night I was watching Laura Ingraham and she's talking about the rock throwing. While I'm watching, I get a call from President Trump on Air Force One and he says, 'Enough. Zero tolerance. They throw a rock, you get out and you arrest them, you put them in jail.' That starts now. So all those haters, all they want to keep throwing rocks, you got something coming. You throw a rock, you're going to jail. That's all there is to it. Zero tolerance."

Hotels leaking ICE agent locations face consequences: "DHS is working very closely with Department of Justice on the doxers, on the people who are leaking our operations, where they're at, because it's only a matter of time before ICE agents are ambushed. So we're taking it very seriously. Again, zero tolerance. I talked to President Trump last night. He called me on Air Force One and wanted to know how this is going. So we're putting all efforts into this. So for these punks that want to show up and tell where we're at and they want to show up to protest, you got something coming."

Portland: A Test Case

Portland represents one of the most challenging environments for ICE operations.

"Portland's been a problem with ICE for several years," Homan acknowledges. "The building's been attacked numerous times, been damaged, hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage. The non-law enforcement personnel are at severe risk of personal injury and death threats. And that concerns me. ICE agents, deportation officers, they have a Kevlar vest and a gun. I don't want to see them in danger either. But for the non-law enforcement personnel that pray to come to work and the Portland PD doesn't help—it's a sanctuary city—I'm going out there to show the men and women of ICE that I got their six."

The policy is clear: "We're not running away from Portland. The stuff that's happening in Portland right now is going to stop. We got zero tolerance. You want to come to an ICE facility and throw a rock, you're going to jail. You want to threaten an ICE agent, you're going to jail. It ends."

Cartel Designation and Military Action

President Trump's designation of cartels as criminal organizations opens new enforcement possibilities.

"There's two divisions of ICE: Enforcement and Removal Operations, and Homeland Security Investigations. Homeland Security Investigations is working with the Department of Justice. President Trump committed to designating the cartels as criminal organizations. He did that and I think it was a great move. You're going to see the whole might of the United States government taking action on the cartels. Some of the preparatory work's already been done. President Trump will wipe the cartels off the face of the earth."

The economic pressure is already working: "With the border at the most secure it's ever been, illegal immigration is down 96%, which means 96% less people are coming, which means the border patrol is 100% vigilant on the border. They're losing billions of dollars in alien smuggling, billions of dollars in sex trafficking, billions of dollars moving dope across that border. They're already hurting, but we're going to finish the job."

The Most Important Mission

Charlie Kirk frames the deportation effort in historical terms.

"What Tom is embarking upon is, in my opinion, the most challenging and ambitious public policy project in modern American history. It pales in comparison to the Hoover Dam and it's almost up there with the moon project—to remove 20 to 25 million people that were let in by a previous administration as alien invaders. That is so difficult and it's going to come with ups and downs and lies from the media. But at the end of that, just think about it: a country that all of you guys actually remember. And that's why there's no negotiation, no wavering, no amnesty, no exceptions. None."

Homan's personal commitment is unwavering: "I take a lot of hate. I take hit pieces on me every day and I love them because I get tired and when I read a hit piece, it throws gas in my fire. So I don't give a damn what people think about me. We're going to do this job. We're not leaving. We're going to keep doing this job. We're going nowhere. We're going to finish the job we started and we're going to finish it till the last day of this administration. And hopefully the next Republican president, we'll have eight more years of doing it. We're going to clean the nation up."

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