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Myth: America Is a Democracy
Charlie Kirk begins by clarifying that the United States is not a democracy but a constitutional republic. He explains that democracy implies centralization of power and majority rule, which can threaten individual rights.
“A democracy inherently means the centralization of power. A constitutional republic respects the decentralization of powers.”
He references the Federalist Papers, noting that the Electoral College was designed as a safeguard against the tyranny of the majority or “mob rule.”
The Electoral College and Vote Weight Disparities
The conversation acknowledges that votes in smaller states like Wyoming carry more weight than those in populous states like California. Kirk argues this is intentional to ensure less populated states have a voice.
“People in Wyoming should have a voice versus only densely populated areas telling me what my voice should be.”
States’ Freedom to Allocate Electors
Kirk explains that each state has the constitutional freedom to decide how to allocate its electors, including the option to base them on the national popular vote.
“Every state can do it differently… Maine and Nebraska allocate electors by congressional district.”
He expresses opposition to states awarding electors based on the national popular vote, emphasizing the importance of states’ rights.
The Electoral College as a Protector of States’ Rights
The Electoral College requires presidential candidates to campaign across diverse regions rather than focusing solely on populous urban centers.
“To be president, you have to have a message that resonates from Miami, Florida to Milwaukee, Wisconsin to New Hampshire.”
Kirk warns that a direct popular vote would lead to hyperfocus on media markets like New York and Los Angeles, increasing polarization.
Historical Context and Political Accountability
Before the direct election of senators, senators were accountable to state legislatures, which were more directly accountable to the people. The shift to direct elections has eroded states’ rights and centralized power.
Current Political Challenges to the Electoral College
Kirk notes that some Democrats seek to abolish the Electoral College, a move he warns could marginalize less populous “flyover” states.
He mentions state-level efforts, such as in Connecticut and Washington, to allocate electors based on the national popular vote, which he opposes.
Video Transcript
[00:00] myth number one we are not a democracy a
[00:02] democracy inherently means the
[00:04] centralization of power a constitutional
[00:08] republic respects the decentralization
[00:10] of powers the founding fathers wrote In
[00:11] The Federalist Papers that the Electoral
[00:13] College will be the greatest hedge
[00:15] against the tyranny of the
[00:18] mob so um this question is uh I've
[00:22] actually sent a letter to Ben Shapiro to
[00:25] Mark Dice this is kind of an open
[00:27] question I'm always in conflict in
[00:29] dealing with
[00:30] the Electoral College sure and based
[00:33] upon you know if you look at the num for
[00:35] me I'm kind of like okay I do the
[00:36] numbers they say let's say I'm in New
[00:38] York or I'm in California my vote is
[00:42] only worth SE um 7 if I go to Wyoming my
[00:46] vote is worth 1.4 in comparison someone
[00:50] who's residing in California to someone
[00:52] who's in Wyoming there is quite a
[00:54] difference but at the same time I think
[00:57] people in Wyoming should have a voice
[01:00] versus only the as not just being some
[01:04] mass or you know densely populated areas
[01:07] telling me what my voice should be if I
[01:11] started to really thinking about okay if
[01:12] the Electoral College is good then why
[01:15] don't we apply the Electoral College
[01:18] within States like for example yeah know
[01:21] it's like for I kind of like said if we
[01:23] look at so for example the state of
[01:24] Washington so right so every state has
[01:27] the freedom to choose to appropriate
[01:29] their electors however they see fit
[01:31] right so that's a misunderstood notion
[01:33] about the Electoral College so if the
[01:35] state of Washington actually wants to
[01:37] put their electors based on the popular
[01:39] vote they have that freedom and so
[01:41] that's a way to reverse engineer the
[01:43] Electoral College I wouldn't support
[01:44] that let me tell you why I support the
[01:46] Electoral College first and foremost
[01:49] myth number one we are not a
[01:56] democracy nor should we nor should we be
[01:59] so I'm here to be educated no no I know
[02:01] I'm not I'm not trying to I'm just
[02:03] walking you through so explain that last
[02:05] statement because I'm I want to
[02:06] understand that totally that's okay so
[02:08] we are a constitutional republic with a
[02:12] Democrat mechanism to put people in
[02:14] power now what's the difference a true
[02:17] pure democracy as Bernie Sanders would
[02:19] want it and he has argued for it using
[02:21] him as an example 51% of the population
[02:25] can vote your rights away so 51% of the
[02:29] population leave something all of a
[02:31] sudden your second amendment rights
[02:32] could disappear in the current system
[02:35] that's not the way it works in order to
[02:37] get rid of something that is enumerated
[02:38] as a right you have to go through the
[02:40] you have to go through three- fifths of
[02:41] the states you have to go through a huge
[02:43] amount of mechanisms it's not a direct
[02:45] democracy secondly a democracy lends
[02:47] itself to mob
[02:49] Rule and so a country that is a direct
[02:53] democracy that is completely is purely
[02:56] populist and purely on what a vast
[02:58] majority of people want lends itself to
[03:01] who can promise the most amount of free
[03:03] stuff to the population the founding
[03:05] fathers talked about this in the
[03:06] Federalist Papers they said we never
[03:08] want to create a country where it's
[03:10] going to be a race of who can dist
[03:11] redistribute the most amount of stuff
[03:13] back to the citizens the final thing and
[03:15] and this is so important a democracy
[03:18] inherently means the centralization of
[03:20] power a constitutional republic respects
[03:23] the decentralization of power so a great
[03:25] example is something that I think
[03:29] gravitated power away from the people is
[03:31] when we got when we instituted the
[03:33] direct election of senators so Senators
[03:36] used to be held accountable to the state
[03:38] legislator so these were not political
[03:41] positions believe it or not they were
[03:42] not people that were trying to make
[03:43] themselves into National political icons
[03:46] but they were held accountable to the
[03:47] state legislature which were very very
[03:48] held accountable to the people and they
[03:50] were recalled all the time they'd say
[03:52] this Senator is not representing our
[03:53] state's interests so now you see these
[03:56] senators and both parties by the way
[03:58] both parties do this from Marco Rubio to
[04:00] Elizabeth Warren that use their US
[04:02] senate seat to try to do National
[04:03] fundraising campaigns and try to turn
[04:05] themselves to National celebrities
[04:07] instead of being in what the founding
[04:09] fathers wanted to be which was an
[04:11] employee of the state government right
[04:13] so it had eroded State eroded State's
[04:15] rights Here's the final thing from a
[04:16] pragmatic standpoint the electoral
[04:19] college requires candidates to go to
[04:21] parts of the country that they otherwise
[04:23] would completely and totally ignore and
[04:26] so if you look at the math Hillary
[04:28] Clinton could have lost 65% of what we
[04:31] call Middle America and won 80% of Los
[04:35] Angeles and 80% of New York and she
[04:37] would have been president right and so
[04:40] what the electoral college requires is a
[04:42] unique complexion and a very diverse
[04:44] sample size of the American electorate
[04:47] so in order to be president you have to
[04:49] have a message that resonates from Miami
[04:51] Florida to Milwaukee Wisconsin to New
[04:54] Hampshire and so I if if if we had a
[04:58] direct democracy you would see a
[05:01] hyperfocus on the media markets of New
[05:04] York Boston
[05:07] Philadelphia
[05:09] Miami Los Angeles San Francisco Portland
[05:11] and Seattle which are would hyper
[05:14] polarize in a country that would further
[05:16] divide us and I would make I would
[05:17] compellingly make that argument but I
[05:19] think it's important that for the
[05:21] Electoral College standpoint it
[05:23] reinforces the idea of states rights
[05:26] that the state matters and it works both
[05:27] ways so the Democrats like to say this
[05:30] is something that only benefits
[05:31] Republicans it's not look at Rhode
[05:33] Island Rhode Island's a very small state
[05:36] and there's three electoral votes for
[05:37] Rhode Island you look at Vermont so
[05:39] there's states that are very small and
[05:41] very liberal that benefit from the
[05:42] Electoral College just as much as the
[05:44] existence of North Dakota South Dakota
[05:46] Wyoming or Montana and so there there I
[05:48] can go further and further into it but
[05:50] finally the founding fathers wrote In
[05:52] The Federalist Papers that the Electoral
[05:54] College will be the greatest hedge
[05:56] against the tyranny of the mob and that
[05:59] and that's and I encourage you to look
[06:01] at it so so to close on that close on to
[06:05] close on that very thoughtful question
[06:07] by the way so to close on that the many
[06:10] of the those and the Democrats who are
[06:12] running for positions this coming
[06:15] November have put on the ballot to do
[06:18] away of this old sty thing called The
[06:21] Electoral College and they feel it no
[06:23] longer represents them what you know and
[06:26] so I feel that that is a something to
[06:29] fear of especially those on the flyover
[06:32] states and I'm like going so I'm like
[06:34] looking how you know can could they do
[06:36] that could they actually say we're going
[06:38] to get rid of it it it's going to be
[06:39] nearly impossible the way that Democrats
[06:42] will diminish the power of the Electoral
[06:45] College is what I'm not sure if
[06:47] Washington has done this but I know
[06:49] Connecticut is entertaining it where
[06:51] Connecticut so yeah essentially they
[06:53] would say that Connecticut decides or
[06:55] Washington decides to appropriate their
[06:57] electors based on the winner the
[06:59] national popular
[07:02] vote okay so there we go you got that's
[07:05] thank you and so that's the way that if
[07:07] liberals want to use the electoral
[07:09] process they can use it through that
[07:10] state driven way I wouldn't vote for
[07:12] that if it was a ballot referendum but I
[07:14] also constitutionally there's nothing to
[07:16] prevent them from doing it but the
[07:17] interesting thing is every state can do
[07:19] it differently so Maine for example does
[07:21] it by congressional district so Trump
[07:23] won one electoral vote in the state of
[07:25] Maine cuz he won the central part of
[07:27] Maine which is very Union very
[07:28] industrialized Obama won one electoral
[07:30] votee in the state of Nebraska where
[07:32] Omaha is so Omaha and Maine are the only
[07:34] two states in the country that
[07:35] appropriate their electors based on
[07:37] Congressional District and this is kind
[07:39] of the re reinforce State's rights is
[07:41] that shouldn't each state be able to go
[07:42] to the people and say how do you want to
[07:44] be represented maybe you want to divide
[07:46] it up maybe you don't want to go all in
[07:47] or all for nothing and as soon as you go
[07:49] to this direct style democracy you can
[07:51] go through the arguments I made earlier
[07:52] so thank you so much I I appreciate it
[07:59] yes
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