WNBA, Caitlyn Clark, and the Complex Race Debate in Women’s Sports

[00:00] We're going to dive right into it. Uh,

[00:02] apparently I'm starting a race war in

[00:04] the WNB. You've done it again. You've

[00:05] done it again, Charlie. I have a

[00:07] tendency to start race wars. What am I?

[00:08] There was this placid world where there

[00:10] is the Women's National Basketball

[00:12] Association. Of course, a bunch of women

[00:14] always get along. Yeah, women are known

[00:16] for getting along. They live in harmony

[00:18] with one another. They definitely never

[00:20] have beefs or arguments or disputes or

[00:22] rivalries. Only Charlie Kirk would

[00:24] start. Only you could do it. WNBA was

[00:26] great. I'm sure all 10 people at their

[00:29] games were having a blast. Uh and then

[00:33] this uh this news story happened. Well,

[00:35] it's been happening for a while, but uh

[00:38] we we can start showing up. You you

[00:40] reacted to this hard fowl. No, it was a

[00:43] a lot of them. For the record, okay,

[00:45] there there's a lot of things. I'm going

[00:46] to send the one. And by the way, this

[00:48] just for the record, my latest tweet is

[00:49] one of my favorite tweets cuz I didn't

[00:50] run it by any of you guys. It was just

[00:52] called the scroll and and let it fly.

[00:54] And then Andrew learns about it once

[00:56] it's up. But yes, keep going. Yes. All

[00:57] right. So, I think this is you've had a

[01:00] couple. So, the first one we have uh

[01:02] let's do uh is this loaded yet? 398.

[01:12] [Applause]

[01:16] So, that was called as a as a violent

[01:18] atrocity on the court. That was Caitlin

[01:20] Cart dribbling and she sort of rushed

[01:22] her fingertips barely. I don't think she

[01:24] touched it. We you know I think we might

[01:27] need we might need a federal

[01:28] investigation to I think we need a hate

[01:30] crime investigation whether she touched

[01:31] her. Exactly. And so and then by I meant

[01:34] the hand just to be clear. I don't think

[01:35] she even touched her. I mean it's

[01:37] terrible. Mhm. And then on the flip side

[01:40] though we also have uh she is getting uh

[01:42] fouled very aggressively and so you are

[01:45] also Yeah. Just brutalized on the court.

[01:48] So, we have, you know, fowls get called

[01:51] one way, but uh not the other way, and

[01:55] it's all getting quite dramatic. And

[01:57] turns out really everything was fine

[01:59] until you stuck your nose into it,

[02:00] Charlie. So, what's the headline we have

[02:03] right now? Let me search Charlie Kirk

[02:05] WNBA. As I search every day, but I try

[02:08] to check. It's It's in the chat, Blake.

[02:12] Yeah. Let's see. Charlie Kirk turns

[02:14] Caitlyn Clark and WNBA referee

[02:17] controversy

[02:18] into race debate. Race war. Race war.

[02:24] This So, I'm the I'm the one who found

[02:26] this this article and showed the show. I

[02:29] I found this personally remarkable

[02:32] because the whole Caitlyn Clark thing

[02:34] has been nothing but a racial discussion

[02:37] since she got into the even when she was

[02:39] in in uh college basketball. It was

[02:41] like, well, of course it has to be a

[02:42] white woman that makes college

[02:44] basketball, women's basketball popular.

[02:46] The entire saga has been about racial

[02:49] dynamics. And then somehow some jerk out

[02:53] there, some ignoramus says it's Charlie

[02:55] Kirk that turned it into a race debate.

[02:57] So I it's truly remarkable feat of

[03:00] journalism. I just want to repeat what I

[03:02] also tweeted today. Everyone knows

[03:03] what's happening here. They are jealous

[03:05] because she is the best white player and

[03:08] one of the best players in the WNBA and

[03:10] the WNBA is overwhelmingly black women

[03:13] and they are targeting her because of

[03:14] this. And on top of that, what they're

[03:16] really mad about is that she's the first

[03:19] WNBA player in probably about 20 years

[03:22] who's been like a decently popular

[03:24] national. Sird was one, right? Um who

[03:27] was the other one? The one who the one

[03:29] who was she was a big name. Uh, and like

[03:31] it's so dumb, frankly, that it became

[03:33] such a racial thing because the one I

[03:34] was thinking of was Lisa Leslie. Lisa

[03:36] Leslie when we were growing up, she was

[03:38] a decently famous person. She got ads on

[03:39] TV. Um, Caitlyn Clark's a whole

[03:42] different level. And of course, one of

[03:43] the things about it is like Lisa Leslie

[03:44] was a perfectly wholesome uh woman. Uh,

[03:46] she True story. She took a long time to

[03:49] get married because she had a handful of

[03:51] rules. It was, you know, she wanted him

[03:53] to be uh she wanted to marry another

[03:56] black guy. She wanted him to be a

[03:58] Christian. And this was the big one. She

[04:00] wanted him to be taller than her. At

[04:02] least Alie was 67. So her her her kids

[04:05] are going to be very tall probably. I I

[04:08] haven't followed up on that, but yeah.

[04:10] And so this all happened and but then

[04:12] they got they legit got mad that this

[04:15] girl was popular. She was a big deal

[04:17] when she was playing um was it Iowa? I

[04:19] don't watch women's basketball. She she

[04:20] was you mean Caitlyn Clark played for

[04:22] Iowa. Yeah. And so she was getting all

[04:23] the attention. They were selling out

[04:25] games. It takes a lot. Takes a lot to

[04:28] sell out a women's basketball game.

[04:30] Yeah. It's about at the level of like JV

[04:33] high school basketball. Well, that's

[04:34] what they're really upset about is that

[04:37] Caitlyn Clark is popular. They're

[04:39] they're po They're upset that they think

[04:41] they've been carrying this league for so

[04:43] many years, which by the way has never

[04:46] been profitable. It's never been a

[04:47] rating success. None of those things

[04:49] have ever been true. But then Caitlyn

[04:51] Clark comes around and people are

[04:52] talking about the WNBA. So all the black

[04:54] ladies are met. So this was the

[04:55] statement she gave. So remember you

[04:57] started this war, but this is the

[04:59] statement she gave in December in

[05:01] December 2024. They named her uh athlete

[05:04] of the year at Time magazine. And so she

[05:06] said in her interview, she had to issue

[05:08] this statement. I don't have video of

[05:09] it. So I don't know if there was like a

[05:11] gun pointed at her head or if they were

[05:12] like holding her family hostage, but she

[05:14] said, "I want to say I've earned

[05:16] everything, but as a white person, there

[05:18] is privilege. A lot of the people who

[05:20] have made this league what it is are

[05:22] black women." And you can't see this,

[05:24] but in the article, they're lowercasing

[05:26] white, but capitalizing black in case

[05:28] you weren't sure, you know, who's who's

[05:29] good and who's bad here. Uh, the more we

[05:31] appreciate, highlight, and talk about

[05:33] that, the better. Brands and companies

[05:36] need to continue investing in those

[05:38] players who have made this league

[05:40] extraordinary. Elevating black women is

[05:43] a beautiful thing. Yeah. Who wrote that

[05:46] for you, first of all? It's like a

[05:47] hostage situation, though. Yeah. like we

[05:49] have to check like okay what were her

[05:51] eyes blinking in a certain way like

[05:53] please please don't hurt me please don't

[05:55] follow me any harder on the court and I

[05:57] I think that that statement was such an

[05:59] opportunity I mean you play stupid games

[06:01] you win stupid prizes right we've all

[06:03] learned this years ago that if you have

[06:05] nothing to hide and you have nothing to

[06:07] feel guilty of don't fake apologize you

[06:10] don't win anything right it's the people

[06:12] that hate you already are not going to

[06:14] come around and say oh look they

[06:15] apologized they put out this statement

[06:17] and then the people that had some

[06:19] respect because you actually stood up

[06:21] and meant something. Well, now you've

[06:23] kind of minimized it, right? It's like

[06:25] some of these comedians, you know, like

[06:26] Bill Burr has kind of gone in the

[06:28] complete opposite direction. But when

[06:30] she put out that statement, I mean, I

[06:31] had so much hope for Caitlyn being this

[06:33] person that was she had to be political.

[06:35] She didn't have to be right-wing, but

[06:36] don't capitulate to their talking points

[06:39] and then everybody's mad at you. It's a

[06:41] lose-lose. I mean, and I just have to

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[08:04] Yeah, women's basketball is we should

[08:07] guys, you got to pull one of those those

[08:09] montages of just like bad WNBA

[08:12] plays. I mean, it's real bad. I mean,

[08:15] and to Charlie's point, it it really

[08:18] does look like you're watching like JV

[08:19] basketball. Now, no offense, there's

[08:21] some really good basketball players that

[08:23] are women, Caitlyn Clark being one of

[08:24] them, but there are good sports that

[08:27] women play that are actually watchable.

[08:29] Tennis, volleyball. Blake maybe

[08:32] disagrees with me about the J based on

[08:34] the look. There's there's a few that are

[08:36] actually watchable. I I I'll stand by

[08:38] that. Gymnastics is pretty good.

[08:40] Gymnastics I I I think that highlevel

[08:45] Olympic gold medal match women's

[08:47] volleyball, not not beach volleyball,

[08:50] actual like volleyball is very good to

[08:52] watch. That that that is very intense,

[08:54] very high stakes, balls moving super

[08:56] fast. Like that is very athletic. That's

[08:59] actually I think and I I actually think

[09:01] it's more watchable than the men's

[09:02] volleyball because the men's volleyball

[09:04] they are so athletic. The ball it's like

[09:06] whoever gets the ball has like very high

[09:09] probability just to spike it because

[09:10] they're so athletic where women's

[09:13] volleyball has be like insane injuries

[09:14] now. No, that's right. Don't you agree,

[09:16] Andrew? Like the men's volleyball has no

[09:17] volley. It's just Yeah, it's it's it's

[09:19] they're almost too likely to just kind

[09:22] of side out instantly and then Yeah. and

[09:24] and and whoever's got control of the of

[09:26] the ball. I actually really agree with

[09:27] that. And it's a little bit more

[09:29] competitive with women's volleyball.

[09:30] Yes. But by the way, the I remember when

[09:33] the US women's national team was winning

[09:35] World Cups, right? I mean, uh that was

[09:38] that was really fun as a nation. We were

[09:40] really into that, right? Before before

[09:42] all the politicization of it. That's

[09:44] true. I remember I I just I I Women's

[09:47] soccer is fine. I mean, it's not my

[09:48] favorite to watch. women's tennis, but

[09:50] there's something about women's

[09:51] basketball where it's such an aesthetic

[09:54] drop off. I don't mean aesthetic in a

[09:55] bad way, but it's such a visual drop off

[09:58] from the pace and the passing and the

[10:00] shooting and the skill of men's

[10:02] basketball. It's like your brain can't

[10:05] process it, you know? It's so different.

[10:07] You're like, "Okay, this is sophomore

[10:08] boys basketball." And basically, why why

[10:11] do you guys like I actually enjoy w

[10:14] college women's basketball like so much

[10:17] more than I do pro. I'm I'm still not

[10:19] saying I prefer women's basketball over

[10:21] men's, but like what do you think the

[10:23] drop off is once I mean do you guys

[10:25] disagree with that? Like do you you know

[10:27] can you watch the final four on the

[10:29] women's side? Like I look at that as a

[10:30] completely different ball game than the

[10:32] prof I mean look at these montages. Like

[10:35] I watch these for fun. They are so

[10:37] horrific. I don't know how anybody could

[10:38] pay money to be at these games. Well,

[10:40] people tend to not pay money to be at

[10:42] those games which is why it's been kind

[10:44] of a failure of a league. And Kaitlin

[10:46] Clark's the best thing they have going

[10:48] for it. I I don't know what it is about

[10:50] basketball. She makes shots that men

[10:52] couldn't make. But but also guys

[10:54] remember, sorry, you could keep going,

[10:55] Andrew, and I have a point. Well, I just

[10:56] don't I don't know what it is

[10:58] specifically about the sport of

[10:59] basketball that tends to make the female

[11:01] form look uncomfortable. Now I candidly,

[11:05] you watch you watch Caitlyn Clark and

[11:07] she looks kind of like a dude on the

[11:09] basketball. I mean, look at that. That

[11:10] that that right there, that's legit. But

[11:12] she does. But like there there's

[11:15] something specific about that. I I

[11:17] actually really enjoy uh female uh

[11:19] college uh softball. I had some friends

[11:22] that got me into it. More watchable than

[11:24] I thought when I was working out. No.

[11:26] And they do these cheers and I think

[11:27] you're right. I actually think I mean

[11:29] softball is not I wouldn't go out of my

[11:31] way to watch it, but you know I'm going

[11:33] to get in some trouble with our audience

[11:35] potentially on this, but uh female UFC

[11:37] fights I know that's like complicated.

[11:40] Dude, those women are amazing. Like some

[11:42] of those fights are incredible. Uh

[11:44] whether or not you want your daughter to

[11:45] be doing that, that's a whole other

[11:46] topic. But just pure entertainment

[11:48] value, those fights are incredible. This

[11:50] is like nothing about For whatever

[11:52] reason though, basketball is just not

[11:55] the female domain in my opinion. Well,

[11:57] remember also the women's basketball

[11:59] uses a smaller basketball than men. I

[12:01] mean there it's it's literally a

[12:02] different sport. I mean where the the

[12:05] ball is 28 and a half inches where the

[12:07] men's ball is much bigger than that. And

[12:09] I was trying to think of other sports

[12:10] that I w I wouldn't I don't watch any of

[12:13] them, but that are more watchable than

[12:15] female basketball. No, I don't watch I

[12:18] don't watch golf. I can't watch you

[12:19] bring back. Did you know there used to

[12:21] be like an alternative basketball for

[12:23] women? Wasn't it like six on six? Six on

[12:25] six. And it was very strange. Like you

[12:28] had three forwards and three defenders

[12:31] and only like the forward people could

[12:33] shoot and then there was all this

[12:36] bizarre stuff. I think I think you like

[12:38] couldn't dribble as much. Something like

[12:40] that. It was all We have to talk about

[12:43] how can we change the game to make it

[12:45] entertaining. Tells you how not

[12:46] entertaining it is. I guess gymnastics.

[12:49] I'd actually prefer watching women

[12:50] gymnastics than men's gymnastics. Really

[12:52] though, like men's gymnastics is really

[12:54] impressive. I have to think about that.

[12:56] No, I think you're probably Well, it's

[12:58] pretty watchable. People love watching

[13:00] it for the Olympics. I would say it's

[13:01] pretty watchable though. I'd say women's

[13:03] basketball gymnastics is pretty. It

[13:05] rates on the Olympics. it rates during

[13:06] the Olympics. And I'll also say that uh

[13:08] women's track and field is watchable.

[13:10] Yep, I agree. Women's figure skating.

[13:12] Yeah, for sure. I actually think it's

[13:14] more watchable than men's figure

[13:16] skating. It's just way too um there's

[13:19] something about tight tight pants. I'm

[13:21] going to say men's figure skating is

[13:23] very San Francisco, I suppose. So, it's

[13:26] I mean, it's usually pairs, isn't it?

[13:27] That's it's culturally very

[13:31] culturally. It's a cultural issue. Let's

[13:33] just say it's not not

[13:35] exactly, you know what I mean? Um, oh, I

[13:39] guess that also women's swimming. I

[13:40] mean, it that's fine to watch. Like Katy

[13:42] Leiddki was fun to watch during the

[13:44] Olympics. It's just fun to watch your

[13:45] your country win in the Olympics, but

[13:47] like if you're you wouldn't sit down and

[13:49] watch like on a Saturday, but I tried to

[13:51] watch the women's like gold medal match

[13:53] in basketball, which I think we won. I

[13:55] It was like, wow, that was hard to

[13:56] watch. Like, woof. It's just I'm

[13:58] surprised you spent time doing that,

[14:00] Charlie. Well, I like the Olympics. I

[14:01] love it. I I watched it for about 45

[14:03] seconds and then I went and did

[14:04] something more. He was he was prepping

[14:06] to get this race war started doing his

[14:07] research. Apparently it's all my fault.

[14:09] So let So So Blake, what would you say

[14:11] to someone that says cuz I got some mean

[14:13] tweets from people. Oh yeah, I really

[14:15] care. It's not It's not racial against

[14:17] Caitlyn Clark. Come on. There's other

[14:19] white women in the NBA or WNBA. I mean,

[14:22] all I would say is I don't think I don't

[14:25] think we were the first ones to start

[14:27] like using the W word or the or the B

[14:29] word in relation to this. Like there

[14:32] really is a thing where you started

[14:34] getting these articles like while she

[14:35] was still in in college about people

[14:38] just bothered that she was getting too

[14:40] much attention or that it was like they

[14:43] would use the language like colonialism.

[14:45] They were like, "How this like white

[14:46] person is colonizing our league like

[14:49] like they have ownership of this sport

[14:53] and like that is where so much of this

[14:56] came from now." And and then like other

[14:59] elements were like they were mad. Oh,

[15:01] they're promoting Caitlyn Clark cuz she

[15:03] like is like more cleancut. Like she's

[15:07] has a boyfriend so she's not a lesbian

[15:09] like a lot of the players in the WNBA

[15:11] are. Um I think she's Catholic or or

[15:13] like public like she has a good image

[15:15] basically. It's like okay yeah you'll

[15:19] leagues do better when they have people

[15:21] who have like positive like images that

[15:23] are like families like it make your

[15:25] daughter like Caitlyn Clark. Do you know

[15:27] 26% of the WNBA is openly lesbian? That

[15:30] is a very high rate. That is that cannot

[15:33] be true. What percent? 26%. That means

[15:37] it's probably closer to like 35 or 40%

[15:39] in real life. Now, and here here's the

[15:42] other one. According to

[15:43] innerbasket.com, they say it's between

[15:45] 30 to 58%.

[15:49] See, that's like a very wide range. It's

[15:52] because they're approximate. Yeah. I

[15:54] don't think they send out surveys. Well,

[15:56] why not? We should collect more data on

[15:58] that. We should just be like, oh, you

[15:59] got to every every time every if you

[16:01] enter the WNBA, you have to answer a

[16:03] million questions. Remember when Britney

[16:04] Grryer, who got released from prison

[16:06] thanks to Trump, uh appeared to call uh

[16:10] well, was it Biden or Trump? Yeah, it

[16:12] was Biden. We traded some international

[16:14] terrorist for for her. Yeah. Um she

[16:17] called Caitlyn Clark a effing white

[16:20] girl.

[16:21] She called trash and effing white girl.

[16:23] Yeah. If someone said effing black girl

[16:25] about a player in the WNBA, we would

[16:27] have Minneapolis burn. Yeah. Like

[16:29] Minneapolis would burn. It would be the

[16:31] number one news story. that person would

[16:33] be deleted off the face of the planet

[16:35] and there would be a federal hate crime

[16:36] investigation quite possibly. Yeah.

[16:39] Especially under Biden. Like we we and

[16:40] we'd get one of those like civil rights

[16:42] cases where they would like go into the

[16:44] entire WNBA and find how there was like

[16:47] systemic discrimination that led to this

[16:49] outcome which is actually circling back

[16:51] around. That's how that sixon six

[16:52] basketball went away. It it didn't go

[16:55] away because people like organically

[16:57] didn't like it. It went away because

[16:59] activists were mad and they got, I'm not

[17:02] making this up, the Office of Civil

[17:03] Rights at either the DOJ or the

[17:06] Department of Education to say it was a

[17:08] violation of Title N to have girls play

[17:11] this sport because they were less likely

[17:14] to get a scholarship for basketball at

[17:17] the college level. Unbelievable. So,

[17:19] like they've been, if it helps, they've

[17:21] been inventing extremely deranged and

[17:24] insane civil rights justifications for

[17:26] everything they want to do for half a

[17:28] century. Well, Blake, I have a question

[17:29] for you. Why is it why is the WNBA still

[17:32] afloat? Like, who's covering the losses?

[17:35] I think I think I think they're a

[17:36] subsidiary of the NBA. Like, there's a

[17:38] direct relationship between the two. Let

[17:40] me check on this. There there was this

[17:42] great article written in 2018 uh by an

[17:45] activist th Bishop and he got just

[17:47] destroyed for it. It was like why WNBA

[17:50] players are overpaid, right? And this is

[17:52] 18, right? Like this is you know before

[17:54] like we got our country back. I mean

[17:55] that was you know we had Trump in the

[17:57] White House but like the woke was really

[17:59] coming on and uh it's just funny because

[18:01] yeah he details listen the NBA is just

[18:04] paying these people right if you look at

[18:06] the revenue that comes in. It's not just

[18:07] that they take a loss. It's that the NBA

[18:10] just doesn't want to deal with the push

[18:11] back from the activists and so they just

[18:13] float the bill for this. I mean, there's

[18:15] a reason they never take the the camera

[18:17] angle and take it to the crowd. I mean,

[18:20] look at the angles on those games. They

[18:22] are it's like Congress, right? They keep

[18:24] the angle so you can't see you're in an

[18:26] empty room. But the the NBA is paying

[18:28] for all of this. So the W because

[18:31] according to um this the the the revenue

[18:35] for the WNBA was $200 million in 2023.

[18:41] It's now 710 million and it will break a

[18:45] billion this year because of Caitlyn

[18:46] Clark. She has contributed to a 48%

[18:49] increase in attendance and

[18:51] record-breaking TV ratings. You know how

[18:52] people say that like they don't

[18:54] recognize the country they live in due

[18:56] to like social changes or immigration or

[18:58] whatever. That's how I feel when I hear

[19:00] a story like could you imagine sitting

[19:02] at home and voluntarily watching the

[19:04] WNBA? You know, there's a question I

[19:06] like to ask which is and not having a

[19:07] relative. I I like to ask people this.

[19:10] Would you rather find a $2 bill on the

[19:15] sidewalk or have your local WNBA team

[19:19] win a title? I don't know. I don't know.

[19:21] My local WNBA team. That is the correct

[19:23] answer is I don't know if I sound has a

[19:25] WNBA team.

[19:27] Does I don't even Wait, hold on. Let me

[19:29] see. What is Phoenix WNBA team? Probably

[19:34] some weird name like the Cactus or

[19:36] something or the sky. The Mercury.

[19:39] Phoenix Mercury. Okay. Uh they're off to

[19:42] Can you say it? Mercury. Yeah, Mercury.

[19:45] There you go. Uh they're off to a 4 in

[19:48] one record. Oo. despite the absence of

[19:50] key player Kalia Copper. Is that true?

[19:53] Or could that be like a hallucination by

[19:55] an AI? It could be. I don't know. You

[19:59] know what I think? This is a case of

[20:00] they you have a small pond, right? And

[20:03] all these big time stars before Caitlin

[20:05] gets there, they want a big pond, right?

[20:08] They want this huge. She brings them the

[20:10] big pond. They're still the small fish.

[20:12] I mean, it's just a total, you know,

[20:14] backlash to that. So, what do you do?

[20:16] You foul her hard. Did you know that?

[20:18] You call her white trash. There's only

[20:20] 13 teams. That That bothers me because

[20:22] it's ir it's like not even I kind of

[20:24] love how feminine they've chose these

[20:26] names. They're like not that you know

[20:28] how the men it's like the Golden State

[20:30] Warriors or the Timberwolves. Let's

[20:32] listen to some of these. The Atlanta

[20:34] Dream, the Chicago Sky, the Connecticut

[20:39] Sun. You ready for an intense one? The

[20:41] Indiana Fever.

[20:44] New York Liberty. The Washington

[20:48] Mystics. Here we go. The Dallas Wings,

[20:52] the Las Vegas Aces, the Los Angeles

[20:56] Sparks.

[20:58] Blake, I will give you $100 if you get

[21:00] the name the Minnesota WNBA team. You

[21:04] know what's going to be really terrible?

[21:06] I do know the Minnesota W. What is it?

[21:08] Minnesota Links. Sorry, I'll give you

[21:10] $100. Why? I did this to humiliate you.

[21:13] Because I dare you notice. Cuz being a

[21:16] dork, I would read the newspaper every

[21:18] day growing up and I would check like

[21:20] they had like this detailed sports thing

[21:23] and I knew I would I would look at what

[21:25] the freaking You should have said. See,

[21:27] you want money more than you want your

[21:30] This is shameful. I have Seattle Storm.

[21:33] That's a pretty good one. Yes. But just

[21:34] for the record, Blake could have

[21:36] pretended like he didn't know, but he

[21:37] wanted that $100. I did. And then the

[21:40] Seattle Storm and then the Golden State

[21:42] Valkyries. You see, if you'd asked me

[21:44] that one, I wouldn't have known. I asked

[21:46] you is a pretty good like women's sports

[21:49] team. It's like it is a women thing.

[21:51] That is cool. But Atlanta Dream. Atlanta

[21:54] Dream. That Philadelphia is not on the

[21:56] list. I don't know the answer. You tell

[21:58] me they're not listed. Is it Soul? Is it

[21:59] Is it Soul? That That sounds They don't

[22:02] have one. They don't have one. Okay. No.

[22:04] Lucky you. But, uh, my the Connecticut

[22:07] Sun, the Connecticut Sun, like the least

[22:11] sunny place, as opposed to the Phoenix

[22:12] Suns, which is plural and therefore the

[22:14] sun. They're just like one thing.

[22:16] They're the sun. Sun. Tonight, we're

[22:18] going to go watch the Sun play. How

[22:21] awful is that? That's like a thing they

[22:23] do now. Like in the NHL, the two new

[22:25] teams they've added, they added the

[22:28] Seattle Kraken, not Krakens, just

[22:30] Kraken. And then now Salt Lake got they

[22:32] actually got the Phoenix Coyotes team

[22:34] that they disbanded and they're just

[22:36] mammoth. They're the Utah Mammoth. So I

[22:39] maybe I'm wrong because I was a huge

[22:41] Blackhawks fan growing up. Has the NHL

[22:44] popularity gone down? I think it has. I

[22:46] mean I was really into the NHL because

[22:48] it was huge. I mean Blackhawks fever

[22:50] took over and we won three Stanley Cups

[22:52] and it was incredible. Um but I feel

[22:55] like the NHL has gone down too. It's

[22:57] it's actually done okay. What's happened

[22:59] is I remember growing up they were

[23:01] really bad in the Sunb Belt and now

[23:03] they've kind of gotten over that. So,

[23:05] for example, in Tampa, uh the Tampa Bay

[23:08] baseball team does pretty horribly in

[23:10] terms of attendance. The Tampa Bay Bucks

[23:13] are at the low end of uh like NFL team

[23:16] popularity, but the Tampa Bay Lightning,

[23:18] which is their NHL team, sells out their

[23:21] games, has won titles, they do pretty

[23:23] well. And that's kind of been who's

[23:24] dominating cuz the uh I think the

[23:29] Nashville team does well and uh I think

[23:31] there's also one in Miami. And like

[23:32] they've all and the Carolina one,

[23:34] they've all done really well. In fact,

[23:35] pretty much the only Sunb Belt hockey

[23:37] team that was a dumpster fire and nobody

[23:38] liked going to them

[23:40] was our team. Oh, really? Yep. They

[23:44] folded and they moved to Utah.

[23:46] Charlie, you're right, though. Uh,

[23:48] regular season games like viewership

[23:51] were about half a million in 2014 to

[23:54] 2015 and they they've dropped to 385,000

[23:58] uh between 2019 2020. This article is

[24:01] from 2023 and it's changes in media

[24:04] consumption, regionalization of NHL

[24:07] broadcast, low scoring, lack of star

[24:09] power, and they say co 19 impact. Let me

[24:12] let me let me tell you why it's also

[24:14] dropping. Uh I'm a season ticket holder

[24:16] for the Flyers and they're horrible. So,

[24:18] I don't usually admit that in public,

[24:20] but uh I've had them for three or four

[24:22] years and I actually just dropped them

[24:24] because after we won the election, uh

[24:26] hockey, which you know, if you look at

[24:28] the demographics, I mean, in most of the

[24:29] cities, the people that are coming, it's

[24:31] a pretty conservative crowd. I mean,

[24:33] some cities, it's just not going to be

[24:34] because of the cities, but like it's

[24:36] pretty red. And after we won the

[24:38] election, Gritty, our great mascot, uh

[24:41] goes on ice with a trans flag like

[24:45] during Pride Day. And it was just like

[24:47] so tonedeaf and I like flipped out on

[24:50] I'm like look I'm paying all this money.

[24:52] I had an activist with me who's

[24:53] obviously right-wing and we're sitting

[24:55] there like having to deal with this. I

[24:57] think they're like one of the last

[24:58] leagues. Oh, they're moving slowly some

[25:00] of them but like they just double down

[25:02] and don't understand their audience.

[25:04] It's it's pretty bad. And it really just

[25:06] kind of goes to show how popular

[25:08] football is. I mean it just dwarfs these

[25:11] other sports. I mean it's it's not even

[25:13] close. M I mean I'm told the Thunder are

[25:17] in the NBA finals. Mhm. Isn't that like

[25:21] Russell Westbrook? Oh, he's g he's gone

[25:23] now. I think he's still in the league,

[25:24] but he's not with the Is Kevin Durant on

[25:26] the Thunder? No. No, you're way out of

[25:28] date, man. I think I don't even know

[25:30] where Durant is. Isn't he on the He's on

[25:31] the Suns, isn't he? I stopped watching

[25:34] 10 years ago. Yeah, that's what I was

[25:35] going to say, Charlie. You're about 10

[25:36] years out. Yeah. I I can't name a single

[25:40] NBA player on the Thunder. Yeah. Okay. I

[25:42] want to respond. Uh, so we we are so uh

[25:45] Patty Luke in our chat says, "Nothing

[25:47] like four men who don't play sports

[25:49] going after the WNBA. You guys have no

[25:51] business bashing these women who would

[25:53] clean your clocks if you had the For the

[25:56] record, let me just tell you, if I could

[25:58] get my back fixed, which I'm very

[25:59] hopeful I have a procedure, I could beat

[26:02] some WNBA players one-on-one. Not all. I

[26:05] could I I I could challenge the bottom

[26:08] 25% of WNBA players. the bottom 25%. If

[26:12] I could get my back fixed and I have

[26:14] three months of proper preparation, I

[26:16] could beat them one-on-one. You think

[26:18] I'm joking? I'm 6'5. I played I played

[26:22] competitive Midwest Aaou basketball. I I

[26:25] was really good at basketball, too, by

[26:26] the way. And like for the record, again,

[26:28] I'm taller than the bottom 25%. If if I

[26:31] have prop again, the problem is my back

[26:33] is a complete and you guys know, you

[26:35] could attest to me my back is a

[26:36] catastrophe. Now, what I would say, but

[26:37] CK, the internet used to think you were

[26:39] only 6'1. Glad we got that. We fixed

[26:41] that problem. Okay. Actually, you know

[26:43] what? Um, Daisy, if you go to my

[26:45] Instagram like seven or eight years ago,

[26:46] there's all these trick, you know, I

[26:47] used to do trick shots on Instagram.

[26:50] I've seen the real. Yeah, right. There

[26:52] was like a montage. Yeah. No, I not just

[26:54] the high school ones. I used to do uh I

[26:56] used to do like trick shots where I

[26:57] would just do halfcourt shots and make

[26:58] it on the first attempt. D you if you We

[27:00] should play some. Go ahead. Yeah. And by

[27:02] the way, just I'm not trying to like but

[27:04] but dear Patty, I mean, I was a first

[27:06] team all state football player. Boom.

[27:08] Oh, here we go. Yeah. Like I I don't go

[27:10] around saying that, but if she's I need

[27:12] Andrew Kovette. I need the highlight

[27:13] reel of Kovette. I actually I did have

[27:16] one, but like I'm you know it's I don't

[27:18] know what happened. Did you guys win

[27:20] state? Uh we runn her up in state. Why

[27:23] did you play college football? I

[27:26] actually went out for one day. Um it's

[27:29] complicated. I went out for one day

[27:30] though at UDub uh open field. And no,

[27:33] the coaches found out like I didn't

[27:35] actually think I was going to play and

[27:36] call. I had no desire but they found it

[27:38] on my sort of application or whatever

[27:39] and they invited me out for an open

[27:41] field day and it was like I was I forget

[27:44] the guy's name. It was Isaiah something

[27:45] or other. Anyways, he was like a

[27:47] five-star recruit. He's a wide out and

[27:49] like he happened to be out there one day

[27:51] and I got lined up up, you know, beside

[27:55] him and I was playing cornerback and the

[27:57] guy just flew by me by about, you know,

[27:58] 10 miles per hour faster than me and I

[28:00] was just like, "Yeah, it's not going to

[28:01] happen. What's what's the point? Like

[28:03] like what's the point? But yeah, until

[28:06] high school level she's striking out. I

[28:09] was a collegiate golfer. I never talk

[28:11] about that. Might might have been D2.

[28:13] Might have got a couple thousand bucks,

[28:14] but uh yeah, we're not talking to no

[28:16] athletes here. Yeah. And Blake can bench

[28:19] like 300 pounds. Patty, little known

[28:22] fact, Blake can actually bench with the

[28:25] best of them. It's true. Blake has You

[28:27] lasted longer than uh Shane Gillis. He

[28:29] lasted two hours on the Notre Dame

[28:31] football team or excuse me, was it West

[28:33] Point? He wanted to go to Notre Dame,

[28:35] but he lasted two hours on the football

[28:36] team and quit college.

[28:39] But yeah, anyway, even if we couldn't

[28:40] beat the WNBA players, it is noteworthy

[28:43] that we don't have the NBA subsidizing

[28:45] us for millions of dollars a year,

[28:47] correct? To go play basketball and we

[28:49] justify our own existence here. Yes. And

[28:51] yes, we are self- sustainable. And so I

[28:54] do think we should make this happen,

[28:56] though. We should We should probably

[28:57] We're going to get your back fixed. I

[28:58] got to get my back surgery done. We have

[28:59] to go find like I I need 3 months to

[29:02] prepare and then we find some like

[29:03] someone recently cut from a WNBA team

[29:06] maybe. Yes. And I will I will pay her a

[29:08] ton of money just to do it and we'll

[29:10] film it and we'll see if I win. So what

[29:12] what will we do if I lose? I don't want

[29:15] to I I don't want to say it's likely,

[29:17] but what if we lose bad?

[29:20] I I mean again who did uh I'm six foot

[29:23] five. I'm not gonna lose bad. Okay.