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Tracing Charlie Kirk's Public Evolution on Israel
Zeb Boykin opens his analysis by highlighting Charlie Kirk's November 2023 statement about Jewish donors and their role in funding what Kirk described as "radical opener neoliberal quasi Marxist policies." Kirk stated that "Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism" for cultural institutions and nonprofits, calling it "a beast created by secular Jews" that is now "coming for Jews." Boykin positions this as Kirk's first major public statement on the topic, potentially triggered by Elon Musk's tweet saying "You told the actual truth" in response to claims about Jewish communities pushing anti-white sentiment.
Kirk acknowledged in the November 2023 clip that while he doesn't like generalizations, "it is true the Anti-Defamation League was part and parcel with Black Lives Matter" and "some of the largest financeers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans." He pointed to Jewish donors withdrawing support from colleges as evidence of this pattern. Boykin calls this Kirk's "opening noticing" moment.
October 7th and Questions About Israeli Intelligence
Nearly a year later, on October 12, 2024, Kirk appeared on PBD's podcast discussing the October 7th attacks. Having visited Israel multiple times, Kirk expressed deep skepticism about the official narrative. "The whole country is a fortress," Kirk said. "You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15." He questioned how the attacks could have proceeded for six hours without IDF response, asking directly: "Was there a standdown order?"
Kirk noted that Israel had been on the brink of civil war over Netanyahu's judicial reforms in the months before October 7th, with hundreds of thousands protesting in the streets. After the attacks, "Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead." While stating he wasn't willing to say Netanyahu knew about the attacks in advance, Kirk said "some questions need to be asked" and called the six-hour response time unbelievable for a country the size of New Jersey.
He offered alternative explanations, including the possibility that Netanyahu was "double crossed by bad agents" or that there were "traders in his government." Kirk shared that senior IDF contacts told him, "Charlie, I can't say too much, but let's just say the same problem you have with the left in America we have here in Israel." He concluded by stating that Netanyahu and the Israeli hard-right government now had "a mandate" to "ethnically cleanse Gaza," removing 2.5 million people.
TPUSA Focus Group Reveals Generational Skepticism
On July 25th, TPUSA released a focus group video featuring college chapter leaders. When asked for word association with "Israel," responses included "aid," "tax dollars," "liability," "Mossad," "complex," and "controversial." One participant explained that "aid" came to mind first because "we're sending a lot of money over there, not really getting a huge return on investment."
When Kirk asked if they were upset about the nearly $4 billion sent annually to Israel, one ethnically Jewish participant who had converted to Catholicism said he could "think of multiple things that we could have spent at home" and that the $319 billion sent since 1948 (adjusted for inflation) "could have been well spent in supporting an economy that would support our generation being able to afford homes rather than military strikes for Israel."
The same participant expressed concerns about AIPAC, rejecting the notion that criticizing AIPAC constitutes anti-Semitism. Kirk summarized their position as AIPAC representing "a kind of cutting in line of prioritization away from the American people."
Confrontation With Megyn Kelly Over Treatment by Pro-Israel Advocates
On August 6th, Kirk appeared on Megyn Kelly's show and delivered an emotional account of how he was being treated by pro-Israel advocates despite his strong support for Israel. "I have text messages, Megyn, calling me an anti-semite," Kirk said. "I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it."
Kirk described trying to understand the hostility charitably: "What would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online? How would I behave?" He suggested pro-Israel advocates were in "a hyper paranoid state because they're at war."
However, Kirk pushed back strongly against what he saw as unfair treatment. "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly are pushing people like you and me away," he told Kelly. He noted the absurdity of having "less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do." Kirk emphasized that he and Kelly are "Americans first. Period. End of story."
He warned that the aggressive response to any deviation from total support was counterproductive: "Personality types like you, myself, and Tucker, the more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question... you're going to weaken and just basically deflate two of your strongest advocates."
Harrison Smith's Ominous Prediction
The day after Kirk's appearance with Kelly, Harrison Smith of Infowars posted a video analyzing the interview. Smith observed "a permanent condition of fear" among figures like Kirk, describing them as "walking through a minefield" because "they're so scared of saying the wrong thing." Smith said they "know the truth and they just won't say the truth."
On August 13th, Smith posted a tweet claiming he had been told by someone close to Kirk that "Charlie Kirk says he's afraid to go against Israel cuz he thinks they might kill him." Smith later made a video explaining the tweet, stating he couldn't reveal his source but confirming the conversation took place around the time of the Megyn Kelly interview. Smith noted his initial reaction: "At the time I was thinking, you know, Charlie Kirk seems scared he's going to lose his sponsors, lose donors, something like that. I wasn't even thinking about losing his life."
Final Appearance With Ben Shapiro
On September 9th, the day before his alleged death, Kirk hosted Ben Shapiro on his show. Kirk pressed Shapiro on Israel's actions in Gaza, noting: "We've pushed back against the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border. Maybe we should also ask a question: Is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel?"
Kirk asked Shapiro directly how to respond to "claims of ethnic cleansing" against Israel, noting that "some people in the Israeli government are saying" various things about Gaza's future. Boykin points out Shapiro's facial expressions throughout the conversation as notable.
Speculation on Kirk's Death and Legacy
Boykin concludes by questioning whether Kirk's evolving positions crossed a line that led to his alleged assassination on September 10th. He notes that Kirk was at "the very very top of his game" with "enormous influence," with some predicting he could have been vice president or eventually president. Michael Knowles allegedly stated the morning after Kirk's death that "he would definitely have been president and everybody knows that."
Boykin suggests Kirk "was coming on to our side eventually" and "maybe there was a line there that he couldn't step on and he might have actually accidentally touched it." He questions who will fill Kirk's shoes in terms of influence, mentioning his producer and controversially suggesting Nick Fuentes as possibilities. The video ends with clips of others discussing Kirk's potential presidential run in 2028 alongside JD Vance.
Video Transcript
[00:00] They go, "Okay, what would it be like if
[00:01] all of a sudden I'm starting to see a
[00:03] pattern of behavior similar to what my
[00:05] grandparents saw in 1930s Germany
[00:07] online? How would I behave?" And Jewish
[00:10] donors, they have a lot of explaining to
[00:12] do, a lot of decoupling to do because
[00:15] Jewish donors have been the number one
[00:18] funding mechanism of radical opener
[00:20] neoliberal quasi Marxist policies,
[00:24] cultural institutions, and nonprofits.
[00:27] This is a beast created by secular Jews.
[00:31] And now it's coming for Jews. And
[00:33] they're like, "What on earth happened?"
[00:35] And it's not just the colleges. It's the
[00:37] nonprofits. It's the movies. It's
[00:39] Hollywood. It's all of it. It's like
[00:41] time for you guys to wake up and say no
[00:43] more. Draw a line in the sand. I don't
[00:44] care if you hate me. I'm Z Boyin, host
[00:46] of Outside the Overton. And I have a
[00:48] video I put together really, I guess,
[00:50] really quick, but uh it's a string of
[00:52] Charlie Kirk and his
[00:55] transition into noticing, if you will.
[00:56] So, what we're going to look at today is
[00:59] uh some clips from November of 2023,
[01:02] October of 24, and then this last uh
[01:05] couple months from mid July up until the
[01:09] date of his death, which would be
[01:11] September 10th, uh which would be
[01:13] yesterday. If I get anything out of this
[01:15] video, please leave me a like and
[01:16] subscribe. So, before we dive into the
[01:18] videos, I want to cover what he posted
[01:20] last on Twitter. The last post that he
[01:22] ever posted on Twitter uh other than
[01:24] replies was to politicize the killing of
[01:27] Na Zerutska. And so I believe that
[01:32] Charlie would call for the
[01:33] politicization of his death also. And so
[01:36] that's what we're doing here. We're
[01:37] going to look at where Charlie Kirk came
[01:39] from um from about two years ago and his
[01:42] transition into noticing if you will. Is
[01:45] this what got him killed? I don't know.
[01:47] We'll take a look. Elon Musk tweeting
[01:48] out, "You told the actual truth." To a
[01:51] specific tweet that Charlie then covers
[01:52] on his show in November 15th of 2023.
[01:58] This was um not quite 2 years ago.
[02:02] Elon is saying is the actual truth. So,
[02:03] let's go through this again. It's it's
[02:06] double negatives and misuse of the word
[02:08] disinterested. It's a strange tweet that
[02:11] Elon pinpointed on here, but the first
[02:13] part is absolutely true.
[02:16] Let's go to this. Jewish communities
[02:18] have been pushing the exact kind of
[02:21] hatred against whites that they claim to
[02:23] want people to stop using against them.
[02:25] Now, I don't like generalizations. Not
[02:27] every Jewish person believes that. But
[02:30] it is true the Anti-Defamation League
[02:32] was part and parcel with Black Lives
[02:34] Matter. It is true that some of the
[02:37] largest financeers of left-wing
[02:39] anti-white causes have been
[02:43] Jewish Americans. They went all in on
[02:45] woke. And it wasn't just ADL. It was
[02:47] some of the top Jewish organizations in
[02:49] the country that have done that. In
[02:51] fact, we have seen this with the recent
[02:53] retreat of Jewish donations that are no
[02:56] longer um going to be administered to
[02:59] colleges, right? Mark Rowan, Leon
[03:00] Copperman. Can we get that full list?
[03:02] It's very powerful. The part of the So,
[03:04] that's totally true. And by the way,
[03:05] Tucker Carlson reinforces this. So, I'm
[03:07] going to kind of
[03:08] >> So, as you can tell, it's probably his
[03:10] opening noticing, if you will. we'll
[03:13] call it the opening noticing back in
[03:15] November of 2023. He had must have come
[03:18] along some way without actually putting
[03:20] it on air. I couldn't find anything
[03:21] prior to this. So there you have it.
[03:24] November 15th of 23. Um maybe it starts
[03:28] maybe maybe Elon started uh Charlie's
[03:30] noticing. I don't know. But what we do
[03:32] see is almost a year later in October of
[03:36] 12, October 12th of 2024, he went on
[03:41] PBD's podcast and they were talking
[03:43] about October 7th. Let's take a look at
[03:45] that.
[03:46] >> And if we go dark, I'll put all those
[03:48] things out there.
[03:49] >> Yeah.
[03:49] >> How did How did these guys not know this
[03:51] was taking place?
[03:52] >> So, I've been to Israel many times. The
[03:54] whole country is a fortress. When I
[03:55] first heard this story, I still have the
[03:57] same gut instinct that I did initially.
[04:00] I find this very hard to believe. I've
[04:03] been to that Gaza border. You You cannot
[04:05] go 10 feet without running into a
[04:07] 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an
[04:09] automatic machine gun that is an IDF
[04:11] soldier, right? The whole country is
[04:13] surveiled. And so, so let me let me just
[04:16] kind of go through this. We don't talk
[04:17] about Israeli politics very often, and
[04:19] most Americans don't know this. The last
[04:20] nine months, Israel was on the brink of
[04:22] civil war. It's not an exaggeration.
[04:24] this judicial stuff. They were there
[04:26] were hundreds of thousands of Israelis
[04:27] taking to the streets because BB
[04:29] Netanyahu is basically redefining the
[04:31] Israeli constitution. That's not an
[04:33] exaggeration, right? He said the
[04:34] judicial branch has too much power.
[04:36] There were protests planned this week
[04:39] against Netanyahu where they anticipated
[04:41] tens of thousands of people to take to
[04:42] the streets. That's all gone. Patrick,
[04:45] Netanyahu now has an emergency
[04:47] government and a mandate to lead. I'm
[04:49] not I'm not willing to say to go so far
[04:52] that saying that Netanyahu knew or there
[04:53] was intelligence here. But I think some
[04:55] questions need to be asked. Was there a
[04:57] standown order?
[04:59] Was there a standown order?
[05:02] 6 hours. I don't believe it. Israel's
[05:04] the side of New Jersey. When I took a
[05:07] helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the
[05:10] Gaza border, it's 45 minutes.
[05:12] >> Wow.
[05:12] >> 6 hours. They're live streaming the
[05:14] killing of Jews. Was Did somebody in the
[05:17] government say stand down? That is a
[05:19] legitimate non-conspiracy
[05:21] question. The whole country is the IDF.
[05:25] >> The whole country is.
[05:26] >> Yeah.
[05:26] >> And you're trying to tell me that
[05:27] they're going to concerts and kabutzes
[05:30] and schools and by reports six hours.
[05:33] Let's say it's three hours.
[05:36] >> That's suspect.
[05:38] >> Go ahead, Rob.
[05:39] >> It's also not like a rightwing uh
[05:42] reporting. This is from the New York
[05:43] Times. The long wait for help as
[05:45] massacre unfolds in Israel. I can't
[05:48] think of a more liberal news outlet than
[05:49] the New York Times.
[05:50] >> And and by the way, I I'm actually very
[05:52] pro-Israel. So, let me be very I mean,
[05:54] so I'm not exactly
[05:55] >> I think we all are.
[05:55] >> No, no. I just want to make sure my
[05:57] position is clear here. But I would So,
[06:00] Patrick, there are other explanations.
[06:02] It's possible that the Netanyahu
[06:05] government was double crossed by bad
[06:06] agents. Okay, that's dark, but it's not
[06:09] as dark as what we're talking about.
[06:11] Okay. Another aspect is that Netanyahu
[06:13] might have traders in his government,
[06:15] like legitimate traders that have
[06:17] infiltrated. I was texting with some
[06:19] senior people in the IDF and they said,
[06:21] "Charlie, I can't say too much, but
[06:22] let's just say the same problem you have
[06:24] with the left in America we have here in
[06:25] Israel." So, just something to think
[06:26] about. Just something to think about,
[06:28] right? is that maybe there are some
[06:30] people within those intel agencies that
[06:33] aren't as sympathetic. Or maybe Patrick,
[06:35] maybe they might have gotten a tip. They
[06:38] might have gotten whisperers, but no one
[06:40] thought it would be 1,200 Jews dead.
[06:41] That's a potential, right? Because here
[06:45] here's the here's the essence of it. The
[06:47] essence is this. This is the closest
[06:49] thing to the Holocaust any of us have
[06:51] lived through. But the fact is now BB
[06:53] and the Israeli hard-right government
[06:56] has a mandate
[06:58] I got to be careful the way I say this
[07:00] to they're going to try to ethnically
[07:02] cleanse Gaza.
[07:03] >> Y
[07:03] >> I mean that that's and I'm don't use
[07:05] that term lightly. Okay. They're talking
[07:08] about basically removing 2.5 million
[07:11] people from there. Okay.
[07:12] >> And honestly they have a mandate to go
[07:15] seek justice and revenge. They do. There
[07:18] is they this idea that they need to have
[07:20] a truce or a peace treaty that's morally
[07:22] crap after you see women and children be
[07:25] burned alive and dragged to the streets.
[07:27] But there are some serious questions
[07:28] here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my
[07:31] pattern recognition
[07:33] over the last 5 years has become pretty
[07:35] sharp. COVID, Maui fires, you know,
[07:39] Epstein, when I see a story and it
[07:42] doesn't click,
[07:45] we're our guts are usually right.
[07:48] And so as we look at that, it it might
[07:51] be the case that October 7th itself is
[07:54] what kind of started Charlie Kirk to
[07:56] question what was going on. And so maybe
[07:59] it was October 7th of 2023, right? We
[08:01] can push that november 15th number date.
[08:04] Boom. Here's here's your dates if you
[08:06] need them. Your November 15th date.
[08:08] Maybe maybe it was October 7th that
[08:09] started this thing off.
[08:12] Maybe so.
[08:14] But anyway, we're going to keep moving
[08:15] on. This is Megan Kelly. We're going to
[08:18] going to move forward another year. That
[08:19] was uh PBD on in 2024. We're going to
[08:21] move forward almost quite another year.
[08:23] This would be a couple months ago back
[08:24] in July of 11th. This is Megan Kelly at
[08:27] a TPUSA event. Really fast. We're going
[08:29] to take a look at this and then it
[08:31] starts to get juicy.
[08:32] >> I think the DOJ should immediately move
[08:34] to unseal all the Epstein documents in
[08:36] the Southern District of New York.
[08:37] >> Yeah.
[08:38] >> Everything. Everything except child
[08:40] sexual
[08:40] >> ass. I think every file should be
[08:42] released to the public the same way as
[08:43] the JFK files. Let the American people
[08:45] decide. put them out out there because
[08:46] if there's nothing in there then we can
[08:48] see there's no
[08:49] >> So there we have Megan Kelly at TPUSA
[08:50] event trying to I don't know
[08:54] move the needle if you will but there
[08:55] you go. But the next thing up is TPUSA's
[08:58] focus group video that Charlie put out
[09:00] exactly two weeks later which will be
[09:02] July 25th. They've obviously filmed it
[09:04] prior to that. But what this focus group
[09:06] is it might be this this might be a
[09:08] little bit of a longer video but I
[09:09] promise you it's worth it. is that this
[09:12] shows the mindset of his leaders in the
[09:16] chapters of the TPUSA
[09:19] across uh college campuses. And so I'm
[09:22] going to clip this up. I don't know if
[09:23] they're copyright or not, but we're
[09:25] going to take a look at this and and get
[09:26] into the mind of the TPUSA chapters,
[09:29] chapter heads, and see see where they're
[09:30] at. And uh I just want you to notice
[09:32] also the producer for Charlie Kirk uh
[09:35] right beside him. Uh, kind of off the
[09:37] cuff here, I don't know if um the
[09:39] producer is going to try and fill
[09:41] Charlie Kurt's shoes much like um the
[09:44] comment section with Brett Cooper and uh
[09:46] Reagan over at the Daily Wire. I don't
[09:47] know. Uh kind of just off the head right
[09:50] there. We'll see.
[09:51] >> See, we're going to play a word
[09:52] association test. What's the first word
[09:54] that comes to mind when you hear Israel?
[09:55] >> Judaism.
[09:56] >> Aid. Aid.
[09:56] >> Netanyahu.
[09:57] >> Tax dollars.
[09:58] >> Liability.
[09:59] >> Sacred.
[09:59] >> Tax dollars.
[10:00] >> Conflict.
[10:01] >> Complex. Controversial.
[10:02] >> Scary.
[10:03] >> Strategic.
[10:04] >> Msad. So MSAD of all the different
[10:07] things that would come to mind, why does
[10:09] their intelligence service come to mind?
[10:11] >> So to say MSAD first, that would
[10:14] basically imply your first impression is
[10:16] one of doubt. Is that fair to say?
[10:18] >> Yes.
[10:18] >> Okay. Who used the word aid?
[10:20] >> You did. Why did that come to mind
[10:22] first?
[10:23] >> It's very similar to our support for
[10:26] Ukraine. We're sending a lot of money
[10:28] over there. Um not really getting uh in
[10:31] my opinion a huge return on investment.
[10:33] And so that's like the first thing that
[10:35] comes to mind. Uh because when people
[10:37] talk about their distrust or disup
[10:39] support for Israel, that's the first
[10:40] thing that usually comes up is all the
[10:42] money that we're sending them.
[10:43] >> I talk about return on investment. I
[10:45] think that's an interesting way to frame
[10:47] it. Um the supporters of Israel will say
[10:50] they're doing a lot of America's dirty
[10:52] work from intelligence gathering. When
[10:54] you think about Israel's history in the
[10:55] region and even with Hamas or Iran,
[10:59] these nations have sworn to destroy and
[11:02] annihilate the nation of Israel, right?
[11:04] Um, at what point does it become, given
[11:08] the context, at what point are you going
[11:10] to be okay or would you never be okay
[11:11] with uh the US defending Israel's right
[11:14] to exist and, you know, essentially
[11:16] saving the country? So when you guys
[11:18] find out, and I don't know if you're
[11:19] aware of this, but when you find out
[11:20] that we're basically every year we send
[11:22] about almost $4 billion to Israel, does
[11:25] that make you upset or do you understand
[11:27] it given that they're under sort of
[11:29] crisis ongoing?
[11:31] >> I would say upset. And u the amount over
[11:33] since 1948, it amounts to 319 billion
[11:36] adjusted to um inflation. And I'd say
[11:39] that I can think of multiple things that
[11:41] we could have spent at home that would
[11:42] have been a better allocation of our
[11:44] taxpayer dollars. And I feel like this
[11:46] money could have been well spent in
[11:47] supporting an economy that would support
[11:49] our generation being able to afford
[11:51] homes rather than military strikes for
[11:53] Israel.
[11:53] >> What?
[11:54] >> Converting Catholic from Judais.
[11:55] >> This is my next from Judaism.
[11:57] >> Yes.
[11:57] >> Oh wow. So So you're Jew you're
[11:59] ethnically Jewish.
[12:00] >> Ethnically Jewish. Yes.
[12:01] >> And you have concerns about Apac.
[12:03] >> Yes, I do.
[12:04] >> I'm told that by some people
[12:06] >> that if I criticize Apac I'm
[12:08] anti-Semitic.
[12:08] >> I think it's ridiculous. Yeah. I I feel
[12:10] like it's great to have a concern for
[12:12] your country. Do you think that the that
[12:16] Apac represents
[12:18] again I'm not saying I believe this but
[12:20] I think this is what you're saying that
[12:21] it represents a kind of cutting in line
[12:24] of prioritization away from the American
[12:27] people.
[12:28] >> Would you guys say that's a fair
[12:29] summary?
[12:30] >> Meaning that like okay we vote we're
[12:32] citizens but a separate group gets
[12:34] higher priority
[12:36] >> because of focus group. And then so
[12:39] August 6 we're starting to get a little
[12:41] bit closer. August 6, you have Charlie
[12:43] Kirk on the Megan Kelly show and they go
[12:46] they they go at it pretty hard. I cut as
[12:49] much as I could with it with maintaining
[12:51] uh continuity, but uh just take a look
[12:54] at this. It it it escalates extremely
[12:57] quickly. This is again October 6th. I
[13:00] think I have a bulletproof resume
[13:02] showing my defense of Israel both on
[13:05] campus, on social media to to great, you
[13:08] know, let's just say mockery and scorn
[13:11] at times where I because I believe it,
[13:13] right? I I believe in the scriptural
[13:16] land rights given to Israel. I believe
[13:18] in fulfillment of prophecy. And again,
[13:22] I'm not a theologian, but I'm a
[13:23] Christian. My life was changed in
[13:25] Israel. The spiritual energy is so
[13:27] amazing there. I I want them to win.
[13:30] I've said that repeatedly.
[13:32] >> And however, Megan, you're hitting on
[13:34] something very potent and important.
[13:36] Now, let me first say I don't want to
[13:37] judge an entire group because there's
[13:39] been many people in the PI Isisrael
[13:40] world that have been very sweet, very
[13:42] kind, very nuanced, very Charlie, you
[13:45] know, you're with us. You don't have to
[13:46] agree all the time. However, and I and I
[13:49] will say this, the behavior by a lot,
[13:52] both privately and publicly are pushing
[13:55] people like you and me away. Not like
[13:57] we're going to be pro- Hamas. Not like
[13:59] we're gonna But we're like, honestly,
[14:01] the way you are treating me is so
[14:03] repulsive. I have text messages, Megan,
[14:06] calling me an anti-semite. I am learning
[14:08] biblical Hebrew and writing a book on
[14:10] the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat,
[14:13] literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit
[14:15] Israel and fight for it. And there's
[14:17] another article out in the Times of
[14:18] Israel today. I could read it on air. I
[14:20] was just reading before I got on.
[14:21] Charlie, what are you doing? Like, why
[14:23] are you what am I doing? I'm sorry. Like
[14:26] let's just take a step back here. Like
[14:28] I'm an American citizen. Yes, I want
[14:32] Israel to win. Yes, I'm a Christian. But
[14:35] like the some of the me and you saw
[14:38] you've seen how I've been treated,
[14:38] Megan, by some, not all, by some.
[14:40] >> No, it's very
[14:41] >> I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But
[14:44] my moral character is now being put into
[14:46] question, Megan. Not my decisions, not
[14:49] like, hey, are you doing this? Is it
[14:51] smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad
[14:54] person if I do this.
[14:56] >> And it's I I could go I mean I you saw
[14:58] it, Megan. It was trending on Twitter,
[15:00] thousands of tweets and text messages.
[15:02] And if I were to be charitable and
[15:04] generous, I will say the people that are
[15:06] attacking me are in a hyper paranoid
[15:08] state because they're at war and war
[15:11] tends to make things black and white and
[15:14] you're a hammer looking for a nail. So
[15:16] I'm trying to be charitable, Megan.
[15:18] Literally, I'm trying to cut as much
[15:19] slack as I can. Right. Big. Okay. What
[15:21] would it be like if all of a sudden I'm
[15:23] starting to see a pattern of behavior
[15:25] similar to what my grandparents saw in
[15:27] 1930s Germany online? How would I
[15:29] behave? So that's like my charitable
[15:31] kind of over compensation spirit. At the
[15:35] same time, I'm like, but you're it's
[15:37] it's not defensible to be dumb.
[15:40] >> Well, you and I believe that we're
[15:41] Americans and Americans first. Period.
[15:44] End of story. We are citizens of this
[15:45] nation. Okay? That's right.
[15:47] >> And Israel,
[15:49] >> we have funded, we have supported, and
[15:51] they're up against a sea of Islamic
[15:54] totalitarianism, and we should be
[15:56] cheering for them, right? Because
[15:57] they're up against barbarians and and
[16:00] monsters, and we want them to win.
[16:02] However, here is Megan Kelly and Charlie
[16:05] Kirk combined
[16:06] >> probably 30 million social media
[16:08] followers, like pretty, right? And you
[16:10] and I have been holding this down, and
[16:12] you you probably get the negative, oh,
[16:14] you're just shilling for Israel,
[16:15] whatever. I'm like, okay, I'm going to
[16:16] do what's right regardless of the
[16:17] feedback, right?
[16:18] >> But then all of a sudden, like I host a
[16:22] person that I de I moderate the debate
[16:25] of, mind you, right? And I give equal
[16:28] time to Josh Hammer. Equal time to a
[16:32] pro-Israel advocate, and my moral
[16:34] character is being put into question.
[16:36] And so I I just I think it's a hyper
[16:39] paranoid like we're just going to try to
[16:42] we're gonna just stamp out everything
[16:44] type type of practice. But it goes to
[16:48] the point where if for example if I I
[16:51] have less ability sometimes online to
[16:54] criticize the Israeli government about
[16:56] backlash than actual Israelis do.
[16:59] >> And that's really really weird, isn't
[17:02] it, Megan? That's not right. the the
[17:04] thing that I don't think I think is
[17:06] being lost is like on some part of the
[17:09] population you can scold them into
[17:11] silence right but
[17:14] >> if I have any deviation of a purity test
[17:18] any deviation whatsoever such as hosting
[17:20] a focus group right Megan
[17:23] >> with a bunch of our students that went
[17:24] viral having Dave Smith or Tucker at my
[17:27] event
[17:28] >> it is all of a sudden oh Charlie is a uh
[17:31] he's he's no longer with us and all I
[17:33] said, "Wait a second. What do you mean?
[17:34] What does with us mean exactly?" Right?
[17:37] >> I'm an American. Okay. Like I I I
[17:40] represent this country and I I don't
[17:43] even understand that paradigm. But
[17:44] Megan, I think you would agree with
[17:45] this. I want to make sure we fast like
[17:48] really zero in on this personality types
[17:51] like you, myself, and Tucker. The more
[17:54] that you guys privately, and publicly
[17:57] call our character into question, which
[18:00] is not isolated, right, Megan? It would
[18:02] be one thing if it was one text or two
[18:04] text. It is dozens of texts.
[18:07] >> Yes.
[18:07] >> Then we start to say, "Hold the boat
[18:10] here." And and to be fair, some of my
[18:12] really good Jewish friends are like,
[18:13] "That's not all of us. It's all But
[18:15] these are leaders, too, though, right?
[18:16] These are these are stakeholders, right?
[18:19] And so, look, I I'm I'm afraid because
[18:22] again, I want civilization to win. I
[18:24] want the West to win. I don't want the
[18:26] Islamopfascist barbarians to storm the
[18:29] gates of Jerusalem. I want the holy
[18:31] sites protected. I believe in the holy
[18:33] land. I love that Jesus walked on water
[18:36] there and rose from the dead and
[18:38] preached in the uh the mount of
[18:39] biatitudes. Like I I feel the connection
[18:42] to Israel and I but at the same time
[18:45] simultaneously
[18:47] when the hostile reaction is that now
[18:50] Megan and Charlie are enemies,
[18:53] >> right? Boy, I'll tell you like you're
[18:55] you're you're you're you're going to
[18:57] you're not going to I won't say lose,
[18:58] but you will weaken and just basically
[19:01] deflate two of your strongest advocates
[19:04] if that
[19:04] >> the very next day, August 7th, Harrison
[19:08] Smith puts out a video, a video about
[19:11] uh about the the Kirk showing and on
[19:15] Megan Kelly show. Wow. Uh the very next
[19:17] day, Harrison Smith puts out a video
[19:19] about the Kirk showing on Megan Kelly
[19:23] show. And if you can go ahead check out
[19:25] Harrison Smith, he's over at Inforward.
[19:26] Find him on Twitter, whatever. Uh he was
[19:28] ahead of this thing, extremely ahead of
[19:30] this thing, which we're going to get
[19:31] into in a second. Um as we go through
[19:34] this video and another one,
[19:35] >> and you'll see this as we go through
[19:37] some of these videos,
[19:40] there's this
[19:43] like permanent
[19:44] condition of fear. There is a
[19:49] there's a a you know an underlying sense
[19:55] especially amongst like the Charlie
[19:56] Kirks
[19:58] of the sector
[20:00] I guess walking on eggshells would be a
[20:02] way of putting it but more like walking
[20:04] through a minefield
[20:07] that they're so scared of saying the
[20:09] wrong thing. They're so scared
[20:13] of stepping on a landmine, of expressing
[20:16] something in in not quite the correct
[20:18] way and having their lives destroyed for
[20:20] it.
[20:23] And that is a that's a deliberately
[20:26] fostered condition.
[20:28] That's because they've been threatened
[20:30] or because the threat is implicit.
[20:34] that there is no
[20:37] let the punishment fit the crime when it
[20:39] comes to certain topics.
[20:42] If you step on the landmine, you die,
[20:45] right? So that's how they act and they
[20:46] act like
[20:48] they're really
[20:51] carefully stepping around a a bunch of
[20:54] bombs and it's just sad and pathetic
[20:58] because they know the truth and they
[21:00] just won't say the truth.
[21:04] And what we're seeing is people
[21:05] struggling to
[21:09] struggling to deal with this because um
[21:11] I see how I try to explain this. You've
[21:14] got all you've got the outrage about
[21:17] Israel is so overwhelming now
[21:21] that
[21:22] people recognize we cannot sustain our
[21:27] reputation. We can't continue to, you
[21:31] know, act as an authority if we continue
[21:36] to be sickopantically pro- Israel. So,
[21:38] we we have to change because the
[21:42] arguments that we used to make aren't
[21:43] working anymore. The names we used to
[21:45] call people aren't working anymore. So,
[21:47] we got to we got to start talking bad
[21:50] about Israel just to just to maintain
[21:52] our legitimacy on the right. That's the
[21:55] way that the wind is blowing.
[21:58] Thanks folks like yours truly and and
[22:00] others who have been outspoken about
[22:02] this and upfront about this for a very
[22:03] long time.
[22:06] At the same time, the structure still
[22:09] exists
[22:11] of the landmine field.
[22:14] They're still operating in a system that
[22:17] will destroy you
[22:20] for becoming a threat to Israel. So, how
[22:22] do they manage this? How do they walk
[22:24] this tightroppe?
[22:27] So, we get then we get into August 13th,
[22:29] which would be uh another video that
[22:31] Harrison put out or sorry, a tweet that
[22:33] Harrison put out that he then followed
[22:34] up with a video after the killing. I'm
[22:36] going to play the video from that of him
[22:39] explaining the tweet with the tweet on
[22:41] screen. Go check that out. This is only
[22:42] one week after his initial video. He put
[22:45] this tweet out. I wanted to make a video
[22:48] at least to talk a little bit about uh
[22:50] my tweet that's gone completely viral
[22:52] from last month. Uh, it's now the number
[22:54] one tweet on anything uh Benjamin
[22:56] Netanyahu is posting. So, thanks guys.
[22:59] Really glad I'm on I'm on his radar now.
[23:02] That's cool. Um,
[23:04] but it's true. I mean, it's I don't
[23:06] really have too much to add to it,
[23:07] honestly. I'm not going to say who it
[23:09] was that told me because they've asked
[23:10] me not to kind of for obvious reasons.
[23:12] So, if they want to go public, uh,
[23:14] they're more than welcome to.
[23:16] I don't have much to add to it other
[23:19] than basically like a month ago I
[23:21] watched a interview with Megan Kelly and
[23:23] Charlie Kirk and I thought they looked
[23:24] scared and I commented on that made a
[23:26] video out of it and then like a day or
[23:30] so later I was uh talking to this person
[23:33] and the way I remember the conversation
[23:35] going was that we were just talking
[23:36] about sort of Israel and Zionism and
[23:38] Zionist influencers and Charlie Kirk
[23:41] came up and I remember the other person
[23:43] saying to me, "Well, you know, Charlie
[23:45] Kirk Kirk says he's afraid to go against
[23:48] Israel cuz he thinks they might kill
[23:49] him. And I said, "Uh, that's crazy." Cuz
[23:52] I just made that video about how Charlie
[23:55] Kirk seems scared. That's that's crazy
[23:57] that you're saying that right now.
[23:58] That's the way I conversation I remember
[24:01] it going. It may have been the other way
[24:02] around. I may have said they look scared
[24:03] and they said, "Well, you know, he says
[24:07] he thinks, you know, Israel will kill
[24:09] him for going against him."
[24:11] Uh, but then we, you know, we talked
[24:13] about other stuff. You know, we we we
[24:14] moved on. I don't I don't really have uh
[24:17] any more information other than that. Uh
[24:19] you know, at the time I was thinking,
[24:21] you know, Charlie Kirk seems scared he's
[24:22] going to lose his sponsors, lose, you
[24:24] know, donors, something like that. I
[24:25] wasn't even thinking about losing his
[24:27] life. So that was my reaction. I was
[24:29] like, whoa. You know, I just I just made
[24:31] a video saying that, but I wasn't even
[24:33] thinking he was scared of dying. I
[24:35] thought he was scared of uh you know,
[24:37] losing support, losing his position.
[24:40] So that's I I really don't I really
[24:43] don't have anything else to I wish I
[24:45] did.
[24:45] >> So then we come back August 21st,
[24:48] Charlie Kirk is in North Myrtle Beach.
[24:50] We go to the Charlie Kirk event. I ask
[24:53] him a question. I ask him what is an
[24:54] American. Josh is there with me also. So
[24:57] I mean just within the last month we had
[25:01] seen and talked to Charlie Kirk, which
[25:03] is I don't know. It seems seems odd. I
[25:06] guess is is I mean it's kind of sad to
[25:10] think about but here we are.
[25:14] We roll into September 9th which would
[25:17] be the day before the assassination
[25:21] which was on September 10th. The day
[25:22] before the assassination
[25:25] um of September 9th you have Ben Shapiro
[25:28] on the Charlie Kirk show and this is
[25:31] what they discussed. I would just like
[25:34] to note, take a look at Ben Shapiro's
[25:37] face
[25:38] throughout this conversation.
[25:40] >> The claims of ethnic cleansing. Charlie,
[25:43] we've pushed back against the media on
[25:45] COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the
[25:49] border, on it's like maybe we should
[25:51] also ask a question. Is the media
[25:53] totally presenting the truth when it
[25:54] comes to Israel? just a question, you
[25:56] know, that maybe we shouldn't believe
[25:57] everything the media says because I know
[25:59] I've been conditioned to ask a lot more
[26:02] critical questions over the last couple
[26:03] of years. So, Ben, some people would
[26:05] accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically
[26:08] cleanse. Some people in the Israeli
[26:10] government are saying, again, it's all
[26:11] over the place, right? You have opinions
[26:12] all over.
[26:14] In your opinion, what would a good
[26:16] outcome 5 years from now be? And how
[26:19] does one respond to the claims of ethnic
[26:21] cleansing? Charlie, we've pushed back.
[26:24] So we worked our way up from 20 23 24 on
[26:28] through 25 in the last few months. I
[26:30] think it paints a pretty telling story.
[26:32] I'm not saying that MSAD did it.
[26:36] But what I am saying is that they have a
[26:38] motive to right. Charlie Kirk is at the
[26:40] very very top of his game right now. He
[26:42] he has enormous influence. Um and and
[26:46] which kind of begs the question, what
[26:48] was in the future for Charlie Kirk? I
[26:50] mean, uh, you have people predicting
[26:52] that he would be VP prior to his
[26:54] killing. You have, um, Michael Nolles
[26:56] coming out this morning and saying that
[26:58] he would definitely have been president
[26:59] and everybody knows that. I I'm not
[27:01] going to debate those those points. He
[27:02] he most likely could have um given our
[27:06] disagreements, which it appears that he
[27:09] was coming on to our side eventually. Um
[27:11] and and maybe there was a line there
[27:13] that he couldn't step that he couldn't
[27:16] step on and he might have actually
[27:18] accidentally touched it. Uh that's what
[27:20] it appears to me. So the question is who
[27:22] fills his shoes? I kind of alluded to
[27:24] maybe the producer earlier in the show
[27:26] earlier in the video, but I don't know
[27:29] in his in his show side. I the question
[27:31] is who fills his shoes with respect to
[27:33] influence moving forward. I I know some
[27:35] names have been tossed out there. some
[27:37] of them that most people that follow
[27:39] Charlie Kirk might not like, which would
[27:40] be uh Nick Fuentes. I don't know. We'll
[27:42] see. We'll see what happens. But here's
[27:44] a couple of videos to uh finish this
[27:47] thing out. Definitely worth a watch.
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[28:12] >> Charlie Kirk would have been president.
[28:14] His friends knew it, his admirers knew
[28:16] it, and his enemies knew it.
[28:18] >> The consequence of this. So you have a
[28:19] generation that is renting a lot more
[28:20] than it's owning. So when you do not own
[28:22] something, why would you defend it? So,
[28:24] and so you find then political rad
[28:26] radicalizations start to seep in because
[28:28] an entire generation is getting
[28:30] routinely cynical year-over-year as
[28:32] their net worth either stays at zero or
[28:34] goes into negative. Now, my question for
[28:36] every Republican senator and congressman
[28:38] watching this, if you do not know these
[28:39] four letters, then you are not doing
[28:41] your job. BNPL.
[28:43] Okay, real quick. Uh, Charlie Kirk, old
[28:48] Chuck Durk here, was born in October
[28:53] of 1993.
[28:55] So, he's 31 right now. He's almost 32.
[28:58] He'll be turning 32 this fall.
[29:02] I did the math.
[29:05] He turned 35
[29:08] 24 days before the 2028 presidential
[29:11] election.
[29:13] And I'm calling it now.
[29:17] Charlie Kirk for vice president. Kirk
[29:20] Vance.
[29:22] Vance Kirk.
[29:24] We need to get working on these slogans.
[29:26] We need to will this into reality. If
[29:29] you guys aren't buying it yet, just wait
[29:31] till we get through the rest of this
[29:32] interview.
[29:35] Vance Kirk would be a powerful powerful
[29:40] administration, especially with another
[29:41] three and a half years worth of cooking.
[29:47] Charlie Kirk gets it.
[29:50] He absolutely gets it. You're going to
[29:52] see it throughout the rest of this. And
[29:55] with his history as a as a fundraiser,
[29:57] as a networker, with his deep
[29:59] understanding of how the system works,
[30:01] how how much he's tapped into the
[30:03] people, you get two powerful young white
[30:07] men on the ticket.
[30:13] Vance Durk 2028.
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