Candace Owens Exposes Erika Kirk's Lies and Jeremy Boreing's Epic Failures at DailyWire+ and Turning Point USA

All right, you guys. Welcome back to season 9, episode two of Everybody Grieavves Differently. I'm your host. That's what we're told, at least. You know, in retrospect, we should have probably saw that for what it was. Recognize that expression for what it was. Another well financed PR campaign against people for asking meaningful questions, shaming people. Now, you might be surprised then to learn who actually uttered that expression first over at Turning Point USA before Charlie's memorial in a corporatewide phone call which took place or Zoom call rather just 5 and a half days after Charlie's assassination. And speaking of different ways to grieve, the now former CEO of Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, is back trying to make a comeback to proclaim his name in the press after he ran the company into the ground with his petty grievances and personal passion projects. And like everyone in the mainstream media, he appears to be auditioning for a role at Apac in the very tried andrue manner of publicly attacking Tucker Carlson and yours truly, correlating us to Antifa thugs. and also this show to pornography. Anyway, welcome back to Candace. [music] All right, you guys. First and foremost, a major correction from yesterday. Thank you to people in Iowa for messaging me. We made a mistake and showed you a picture of a man that is actually not named Bob Flood at all. His name was actually Bob Fergus Ferguson. He's from Iowa. He has nothing to do with the story. It was genuinely a full-blown mistake. I've actually reached out to him, and I just deeply apologize. We wiped it from uh the episode, but many of you saw it before we actually did. So, I just wanted to clarify that that picture that we showed yesterday of Bob Flood from Chicago was not Bob Flood from Chicago. It was a man named Bob Ferguson from Iowa who literally had nothing to do with anything. So, my apologies to Bob Ferguson. Hopefully, uh we will get in touch. I'm kind of using some back channels to make that happen. Anyway, back to today. They say hindsight is 2020, right? That's the expression. Hindsight is 2020. And damn if we are not realizing that right now. I can say with full confidence after combining what we have learned throughout this investigation to be a fact. And after now speaking with employees who were let go in this recent string of aggressive firings, employees that did nothing or were told weren't told that they did anything. They certainly were not the people that were leaking to me. that I do believe firmly from the beginning that Erica was intimately involved in the PR messaging and the PR campaign at different times against me, sometimes against the entire world, but against me in particular. Just to recap why this is now suddenly important, no one's picking on her. Uh we have confirmed for a fact that she lied. She liked my face actually regarding the Superman neck. She blamed that on Andrew Kovette. said that he went rogue, that Dr. Lee Troder also went rogue, violated HIPPA, that they hopped on the phone and did this uh without her consent or knowledge. Then on top of that, Andrew then sends out a tweet, I'm I told you, confirmed she doctor did not violate HIPPA. It was actually a three-way call. And the statement pertaining to Superman neck came from her. Andrew Kovette in that regard was doing Erica's bidding. He was taking a figurative bullet for her. She did not misspeak there. There's no way to look around it. She lied. She lied right to my face when she said that. She knew uh that HIPPA, he didn't violate HIPPA. She lied to a doctor, a surgeon, and she knew that she was on that call. So, let's just say that clearly. We've also now confirmed that she was at the Hampton's retreat, the now infamous Hampton's retreat. He she was present when BB Netanyahu called. And that bothers me because I was out here catching a lot of heat for telling the truth. Now, we have two different versions of that story. Andrew Kulvette said that BB offered to fund Turning Point to the next level. I have since confirmed what Andrew Kovette said with two people that are not related to Andrew Kovet at all. Erica, despite being at that dinner and confirming that she was there, does not remember that part. She says that there was not an offer that was made and that BB was calling about the letter that Charlie wrote him back in May. Andrew uh confirmed to me that Charlie described that summit as like an intervention was being staged over Israel. So I find that to be interesting. again with everything that we now know. My assumption was she didn't weigh in weighed into things, didn't weigh into the water and didn't say anything about the debate that was happening because she was so overwhelmed and kind of catching her breath as a new CEO and chairman. I think now I have a different perspective on that. I'm not sure why she did not come out and say if she was capable of doing calls and sitting down and doing meetings come out and say like yes, this this Hampton summit did happen. Yes, BBB did call and try to work through with Andrew why they have different memories of whether or not he called to fund things to the next level. We have also confirmed that Erica and Andrew were working together on that Fort Wuka PR response. We was craziest tax I've ever endured. Uh Alex Jones [laughter] quite entertainingly is coming for me my whole life everything. But that PR response uh was confirmed that she was a part of that through this obscure YouTuber Paramount Tactical rather than going directly to me after we sat down. That to me seems like a pretty uh strong violation of a well-meaning conversation that I had with her for 4 hours. And I should also mention that that was the same you YouTuber despite, you know, also going into Mitch's entire past, Mitch Know's past. But after calling for a ceasefire and saying, "Let us sit down and talk," they welcomed Paramount Tactical onto Charlie Kirk's podcast show while I was in this hotel room to debunk me. I had no idea it was happening. And then that's I think was the beginning of when it clicked to me seeing that him being caught live, Andrew Kobat live messaging something from Erica after she told me that they were disappointed in Andrew, that he wasn't going to be involved in PR anymore. That's when I realized that I was being lied to, that she was making moves behind the scenes. And the answer that we will likely never get to add one more point here is whether Andrew was lying uh or Erica was confused. And I would like to say that I don't believe Andrew was lying. I believe Andrew was telling me the truth when he said that when he stepped off of the plane in Probo on September 10th, he basically collapsed into Erica's arms crying on the tarmac because he had all this pent up emotion, had this big plane. Everyone was messaging him about Charlie asking for his status. He didn't know what was going on. And the impression that I got was that Andrew was on that plane alone. But then we were later told that Andrew was accompanied by his wife. But Erica, during our face-toface meeting, had no recollection of his wife stepping off of the plane. When I asked, I said, "Was he with his wife?" She was unable to answer that question as to whether or not Andrew flew in with his wife to Provo. How is that possible? Is Andrew lying about that? Or is is Erica misremembering? What we know thereafter is that when they arrived at the hospital after waiting for an hour, if Andrew was to believed, then she waited for an hour on the tarmac for Andrew's flight to land. They arrived at the hospital and went in through separate entrances. Uh, Andrew went through the front main entrance, a main entrance where there were other TPUSA staff there, people that were there on that day, and Erica went in through a back or side entrance. These are the facts, okay? If they disturb you, then you should know that you are not alone. The world obviously melted down yesterday when we played the corporatewide call hosted by Erica to Turning Point employees following the memorial event. The overwhelming consensus, the human response to that is that you feel disturbed when you listen to it, spiritually disturbed by the emotion of it, the happiness. Uh, speaking about merchandise being sold, hats being sold. Again, this is not a sales call. This is the entire team on the phone. This new corporatewide call that I'm going to share with you today took place even earlier so that you can go back into your time machines. It took place just 5 and a half days after Charlie was pronounced dead. 5 and a half days later. The date is September 16th. This is when Turning Point USA employees are told that Erica is going to be replacing Charlie as the CEO and chairman. The public is going to be informed a day later on September 17th in a public letter signed off by uh Doug Degrroot is on the board. And I should be clear that when Doug Degrroot going backward and looking at the announcement, he makes it very biblical, very biblical, which is a common theme here. Everything is is it's about this is what God has ordained. Here is the letter. Just going to read the top here. It reads in Ecclesiastes, King Solomon wrote that mankind is to be tested by God. Today we are facing such a test. Yet, we also know that God has prepared us with everything that we need to overcome this ordeal. It was the honor of our lives to serve as board members of Charlie's side. Charlie prepared all of us for a moment like this one. He worked tirelessly to ensure Turning Point USA was built to survive even the greatest tests. And now, it is our great pride to announce Erica Kirk as the new CEO and chair of the board for Turning Point USA. Okay? So, I want you to remember that. It's it like going I don't even remember that letter at all. So, that's why I'm showing it to you. It's King Solomon and it's, you know, this is what God wants. Okay. Now, this decision, like I said, published on the 17th, was actually voted upon earlier. I know because Andrew Kovette told me before the public knew that the board had selected Erica with within about 72 hours of Charlie's death. I was crying on the phone with him, already concerned by the obvious attempt from people who hated Charlie previously, now committing themselves publicly to taking over his legacy, filling in his boots, picking up his bloody mic. And Andrew reassured me that the decision had already been made and that it was Erica that was going to take over. And in my agreed state, I said, "Okay, great. Amazing. Thank God. I'm so happy to hear that. So, I'm so happy that none of these people who literally hated him are are going to try to sit in his chair. Now, in hindsight, practically speaking, this means that within a space of about 72 hours, someone approached Erica and thought that the right thing to ask or say was, "Hey, know you're going through a lot right now, but is it okay if we put your name up for the position of CEO, and can we put that to a board vote today? Are you willing and able to take over as the chairman and the CEO um in Charliestead?" to which Erica had to have replied yes. She had to give her consent for that to go up for a board vote. Okay, that's just a fact that had to take place. How it happened, exactly when it was said, somebody felt that was appropriate to say that. Now, my first 72 hours was a little bit different. On my end, when Mitchell, my my PR agent, sent me a very kind message about the infinite press requests that we had been receiving, people seeking a statement for me regarding how I felt about Charlie's public assassination. I wanted to physically assault him. He did nothing wrong. He actually did his job with the utmost professionalism and care. And still, I kind of wanted to kick Mitchell. I'm sorry, Mitchell. That's how I felt at that time because everything just felt so intrusive. Like to even think about the world going on felt wrong. I didn't think anything of her appointment at that time or beyond it other than what I stated publicly, which was that Turning Point USA should have waited and instead appointed an interim CEO to allow Erica the time that she needed to grief rather than her having to deal with everyone questioning her moves as a CEO. But I also contended with myself. I will say I also thought well maybe they rushed the decision because it was symbolic and they felt it was necessary that it was sort of honorific meaning she wasn't really going to do anything at that time but they wanted to announce that this is the direction that it's going which would be fair like just wanting the the announcement to mean something and on her end I thought maybe Erica said yes because she wanted to hold on to some sense of continuity like this is still going to go on. We're going to get everything going. And that still could be true by the way. that could have been what drove her decision. But of course, looking in retrospect, it is stunning to me that Erica chose not to bring a single member of her actual family with her to Utah. Something that I just sort of missed at the time, just turning point family. Think about that. Charlie Kirk's mother, father, sister, they all raced to Utah to be with him at the hospital, which is to be expected. But Erica, no one in her immediate family joined her in her darkest hour. Not her mom. Okay, we were told that she was sick. Dad also lives in Scottsdale. Sister, yes, she does have one. Cousins, uh, friends from high school. After all, she grew up in Arizona, right? That's that's where she went to school. That's where she went to high school. Instead, she was joined by Stacy Sheridan, who was playing the part of her mother, staying Stacy, who is the head of fundraising for Turning Point USA. Don't forget, it was Stacy Sheridan who concerns herself with Turning Point raising money, who filmed Charlie in the casket. It is Stacy Sheridan, traveled with Erica. She's the one who was holding Erica uh um hand holding her hand as Charlie's casket was coming off of Air Force 2. That was Eric. That was Stacy Sheridan standing next to her recording. Not her mother, not her dad, not Erica's sister. Uh you just would think that's somebody that you would call somebody close to you that is does not exist any corporate structure to be by your side. That is my now totally rational perspective looking backward. But it was Stacy Sheridan who I have told her since day one. I personally warned Charlie about her. I that is my personal opinion that there is no rung into hell that Stacy Sheridan will not descend upon for a dollar. It's my my experience with her. But this person was somehow crucial crucial uh to coming and being beside beside Erica at all moments, car rides, everything. If you go back and look, it is Stacy. You would think Stacy Sheridan was Erica's mother. And you can even check out this clip um which is them her in a car. Stacy just everywhere on the phone. Stacy is there capturing every moment. Me I I needed my sister to fly in to be by my side. husband, my cousin, Erica needed the head of gifts and donations. I I don't I find that to be very strange and I've checked with people at the hospital. No, no family was there. Now, let's get back to September 16th, though, cuz I like to focus on that date because with Stacy in earshot, Erica is going to address the company for the first time. That's not a small task, by the way. Okay, she is, as you will see, at the office. She doesn't have full hair and makeup on, which of course I think I welcome that as a good thing. Uh I don't expect her to be at the office, but I'm happy that she's not in full hair and makeup because this is 5 and 1/2 days after her husband was pronounced dead. This is before he we've had his funeral, anything. And I'm gonna let you decide. And I'm going to tell you that the employees that chose to record this and the employees that are still there and upset with the manner in which people were fired are saying that they feel like they were it was like a cult. Like they knew something was off. They felt like they were being manipulated. uh that they were only given Erica as this symbol of you guys need to work harder, right? Uh as though Charlie's wife was being used to convince employees that it is now a mandate handed to them by God to work harder, to sacrifice themselves, to work longer days because this this is their new family. Like this this word I've always been struck by this describing the employees like a family to drive them to work like horses only to then fire them after a quarter billion is raised is wild. Okay, like I said, at least she is not dressed in hair and makeup. She is the office. I would say the bad news is that once again Erica is going to stop herself from using the word happy uh in the context of Charlie and how he must be feeling in h in heaven. I'm going to let this play out for 5 minutes straight and there is no context needed other than this is 5 and a half days after her husband was publicly assassinated. And yes, in the background that is Terrell Farnsworth, the guy who took down the cameras, but we're going to see we are going to see some grief. So, I'm going to allow you guys to watch this for 5 minutes. >> Had private conversations with him. I want you all to hold on to those and I want you all to remember those so deeply. I want you to journal about them. I want you to be able to tell your kids about them. Um, I want you to put those in your heart as why you're why you're still here with with the Turning Point USA family because that's what we want. And like I said to our small group after whatever day that was that I did the thing on TV, my days are so long Friday. Um, I told the team, I said, "Turning Point USA will continue like my husband always wanted and it'll be bigger than ever, and we're going to honor him by doing that. We're going to stay humble. Um, we're going to work hard because that's what he would want. And, uh, we're going to just make it grow and we're going to keep our eyes fixed on heaven." And you know, like even Stacy said, he's going to he's going to find ways to speak to us and he's going to speak to you in different ways. Every person's going to be different, but you'll get little moments where you're like, "Okay, Charlie, I see you." It might be here on campus. Uh it might be in quiet moments of the night, but he's here and he's more alive than ever, and he is um he's going to guide us. Um and we just have to remain humble. But again, what I told the team was, I will fight like hell to make sure that all of you have a job here. I don't want anyone to think the job's in jeopardy because your family. If you want to, if you choose to leave, that's different. I never will, and I promise you, I will make sure that I never allow a point to where you have to leave because we cannot financially afford you. Um and that is um that is a progress. I want our family to stay together um the best it can. Obviously circumstances you know things there's unforeseen things that might pop up here and there that we can't spare a sea in the future but for right now the way things are I would like to remain because they are status quo and I think that's the best thing to do u and everything else we can worry about later. But I just want to let you know that you guys are all very loved. I'm very proud of you and Charlie would be um I mean I think Charlie's just I'm trying not to say that he would be he's obviously celebrating in heaven uh amongst many things but he's so proud of all of you and he's so proud of all of you for keeping this mission alive and he knows that you can do it. That's why you're hired. And he knows that you will be able to carry the torch. And he knows that you're going to do a great job and you're going to be able to even though days are going to be tough. Honestly, the nights are the hardest. Mornings are pretty raw, too. But once you're But just what I've noticed these past several days is if I didn't have the feeling of turning point USA's family with me, all of you, I would be a disaster. I mean, I was in fetal position 247. But the fact that we have a continued mission to look forward to and we have our family, it's everything. And some of you, this is your chosen family. And um just rely lean on each other. That's huge. Leaning on each other is huge because all of you were together prior to this and we'll be together after this. And it's and we everything and I told Justin I as it's going to be something where everything before September 10th any email you were working on any project you were working on is it's not that it's irrelevant now it's just things have changed obviously um and the mission has gotten deeper and the mission will grow deeper but like I just want all of you to know we will be wise stewards we will be um vigilant we will be humble Um, and I just want you to know that again, I'm with you. I'm here. I'm not going anywhere. Um, and we're going to make sure that we honor my husband so well that this whole world knows what his his vision was and will be. And it's just I feel so blessed and honored Blessed and honored. That is crazy work as adjectives. I I I I I don't know. That's That's crazy work. That is like I couldn't blessed and honored to be the CEO and to be telling you guys that you're a family. And I want you to see this because we've spoken about this the Mooney's cult and these people that are leaving are like it's it it was just like a cult. Like basically she's saying this she's calling you a family. She promises them. That's why it's important to you have to hold this to the fire. You're not the CEO. You promised these kids that if you they are going to work harder. You're in this family. Your jobs are safe. Actually, that's what makes her cry. Saying your jobs are, you know, that's that's when she breaks, right? When she says, I just it's so important for know your jobs are good. Like I feel I feel emotionally attached to you guys working for me. And then you attach that to what we showed you of a young woman who like I said on everything. Never. I never leaked. She never leaked anything. She never spoke to me. Nothing. Gets fired and for asking a simple question like literally why am I fired? We've been working like 25 hours. Just get out. Get out. Get out. There's there's security there. That's it. We're moving in a different direction. That is not okay. Okay. You're not allowed to say everybody grieavves differently. So I don't have to answer any questions about that. And guys, um we're going to bring in the beginning, too, because I want you to watch the beginning of this so you can see the full thing because we don't need to strip anything. Um because she starts by laughing, which I find to be interesting, but I do want to let you know that we are having some buffering issues. We still have major blackouts uh in Nashville. So, we're doing our best here. If you have some connectivity issues, just know that that's the reason why. Here is the beginning of that call. >> Yep. There you go. >> Oh, look at all the thumbs up. Look how cute that is. Sorry, this is a little bit more informal than probably Charlie would be reacting. How sweet. >> I didn't know they could do that. I hate Zoom. I never like Zoom. Sorry you guys. Um I just wanted to say first and foremost um my heart obviously is broken for you guys as much it is for our family. You guys lost not only a boss but someone that you looked up to, someone that you uh believed in his mission that you also um that you loved. um you loved listening to his show, you loved um hearing his wisdom on things. I'm sure some of you have also had very personal moments of where you sat down and um so that's the beginning just so you have that in its full context. Now, like I said, this is something it's definitely something. It feels to me a bit like the psychological phenomenon known as trauma bonding, right? They had just suffered a very real trauma. That's not a trauma that most people go through in their entire lives. Um, you're signed up for a company. Charlie Kirk is the leader of that company. You sign up majority of these people to work for this organization because they believe in Charlie Kirk. They believe in what he is doing on college campuses. And then you watch him get live assassinated. And now management is going to try to establish your loyalty using all sorts of tactics. But essentially what they're creating here is an emotional dependence. Right? We are a family. We have lived through this. This is a family, family, family family. And that very well may not have been Erica's intent. But hearing her sound like she's about to cry when she discusses specifically them keeping their jobs, not Charlie, but having Charlie having been assassinated in front of the world, but the prospect of their employment, we do not have to imagine uh if she meant that sincerely because she didn't. She did not mean that sincerely. after working them all like horses, wrapping them in this way, she's going to fire a boatload of them without cause or even conversation. That's actually traumatic. See it from the employees viewpoint. For those of you wondering, they just must feel like they just got punched in the face. You had to watch him die. Then you get brought in on this emotional, we're a family, we're a family. Never. I never would do this. And it's like, get out. Don't let the door hit you on the way back. Yeah, we raised a quarter billion. You're not even going to get a bonus. Now, we're going to keep letting this play out because you are going to hear her actually be the first person uh to say an expression that has been used a lot. She's going to remind people that everybody grieavves differently 5 and a half days after Charlie was announced dead at the hospital. Take a listen. >> And we will um do our best to continue to make Turning Point USA the Oh, he meant that he wanted it to be this massive thing. Yeah, it is. It is. And that's why we have to stay humble. But, um, you know, I just want you guys to stay in prayer. And if if you guys do need anything, please reach out to whoever you know to reach out to. Um, and pray with one another. Be there with one another. Be soft with one another. Everyone grieavves differently. So, if someone's acting weird, don't read into that. Uh, weddings and funerals bring out the weirdest side in people. Just anyone who's been married knows that. Um, so don't read into that. just love on each other and if there's anything or anyone who tries to divide your team or you or that's just the enemy and just rebuke it and know that there's a bigger mission at hand and um again you guys are all very loved and I feel very honored and um I'm grateful for all of you. So I just wanted to take some time to hop on and share with you my condolences. Um I wish I could help all of you but again the fact that um there's a lot of in the office on today fact that a lot of you guys are here in office that's what he would like the mission he doesn't want you to just be sitting on the couch alone in your room he wants you to obviously I mean we will all mourn but he would want you to build and so that's what we'll do we'll have a sword in one hand and we'll have a healing to build okay I love you all and deep breaths. Uh, I just want to share this with you all. I asked her when we were on the tour. I said, I don't know how to get through this. And she said, you know, when you're on an airplane, and some of you have kids will really relate to this. Others that don't, you've been on a plane with kids, so you can also relate to this. She said, "When you're on an airplane and you're 15 minutes before landing and the kids are going crazy and you have 15 minutes left on the plane and they're throwing their toys and they're screaming and you're thinking to yourself, am I going to make it through these next 15 minutes?" And then the plane lands and Ursa said, "You're going to make it through those next 15 minutes." And then there was 15 minutes. And so I just want to share that with you because it was a very private moment. Um, but it gave me it gave me some peace to know that we can just do this for 10 minutes at a time. So if that means at work when you're feeling a little bit, stop, take those 15 minutes and you'll be okay. We're all going to be okay. I love you guys. Um, have a great meeting. Is there anything else to say? It's good. You guys are loved. >> Love this little thing about Donald. [laughter] >> So sweet. God bless you all. >> Thank you guys. >> I mean, I don't really know what to say. I just I wanted to share that with you. I wanted to share that with you because I fully side with the employees um what they have lived through everything that's happened uh to have them admit that they work 20our days to see how they were manipulated into doing that and then having the carpet pulled under their feet and told goodbye and god forbid you want to speak out about what you've lived through then you're you're somehow like it's a cult that that's a cult to be clear that's just a cult. You're with us or you're against us. And these people were not against them. They were loyal employees. Okay, they were loyal employees and they said that they felt like they were being emotionally manipulated to think that they had to just work harder even beyond the 20our days they working during the weekday. They were then asked to come in on the weekend to pack t-shirts because it's what Charlie would want. And I kept picking up on that beyond these calls. I kept saying,"Wh does it feel like they're using the ghost of Charlie to sort of guilt people into doing things like this is what Charlie would want. He'd want your money. This is what Charlie would want. He would want your your kids' college fund. This is what Charlie would want. He wants grandma's will. This is what Charlie's uh dancing. He's dancing in heaven. He is I I'm not I don't want to say the word happy. Maybe he's not happy. He just got assassinated. Maybe he's not happy that he's never going to see his children again or put into bed, but he is dancing unhappily or something. What? What? Okay. Like I don't know what this is. I like I said fully side with the employees. I do believe with all of the new information that I am getting and it is a lot that she has been orchestrating this entire PR campaign from the back and pretending that Andrew Kovette was problematic. Maybe some credit to to Andrew Kovette for being enough of a gentleman to absorb all of that to allow people to think that it was just him acting rogue when it wasn't. It factually was not. We were lied to. Um I and I don't know what the purpose is of that lie. That's what troubles me. What is the purpose of that lie? And by the way, just going back to that end of uh the timeline that we have put together, it's actually stunning to consider that when they opted to have the three-way call with the doctor, okay, when they hurried hurried and called the surgeon because I did an episode and I was like, "Hey, something's really weird that you guys should know is that, you know, the bul didn't go through. There was no blood in the back of Charlie." And then Erica and Andrew got on the phone with the surgeon. That was on the day of Charlie's actual funeral mass. Like that was a priority for them to have something to issue as a statement onto X to try to explain away why a 306 didn't go through. Like that doesn't seem like the proper day for that. But [clears throat] that's when it happened. That's when it factually that phone call took place. We know because Andrew said just got off the phone with the surgeon. So we don't have to imagine when that was the day after my episode when people were going, "What do you mean there's no blood in the back? What do you mean the 306? Why lie about that? Why are we being lied to? And we're supposed to accept that they have enough money, well, they do, to hire crisis PR people and a bunch of accounts on uh X to tell us that it's ungodly for us to not just sit there and be lied to. That God's mandate means you you can't question this. You can't question why kids are being treated like this. Like, this is Charlie's vision. He's dancing in heaven watching how kids that a bunch of students that slaved for him 20our days to put together uh the memorial events are being let go for no reason other than loyalty tests that are being conducted by Marina the COO who's talking to Uber drivers for the tea. Hey, have you hear anything about Turning Point USA? Well, I heard that this Uber driver said that you may have said something. Bring her into the room. She may have critiqued Erica. Not allowed. What is this, guys? It's it's severe manipulation and it's not okay. It's not okay at all. And what is guiding that though? What what is guiding the lies? That's what I'm interested in. I don't like when people lie to my face. I really don't like when people lie to my face. And then I don't like when they send me cease and desist because I told the truth. I would say that's like um a personal trigger of mine. 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They know that they've lost power, but they're still going to create this illusion that they haven't. They're going to keep writing articles. They're going to keep smearing people that are telling the truth even though it's ineffectual. Like, no, we actually don't care anymore what they're writing, but they're going to keep doing it. They're going to tell us who we have to like. They're going to keep pretending um that these people are popular and these people are awful. I When does it stop? Everything feels fake and gay and fictitious. And we're learning that people who pretended like they cared about free speech are the number one people that are trying to squash it. They're trying to squash it now. And there's no greater example of that than of course Daily Wire. Now the Daily Wire CEO one day it will Daily Wire is a company in a fair world probably not one day and so therefore probably not in this world but if we lived in a fair world it would be taught in psychology courses like watching what this company did to itself in the span of one year is incredible. subjectively as an interest piece. Incredible. Like if I'm just a journalist going, "This is fascinating." Right? Jeremy Boring was the CEO when all that happened. And he kind of went away for I would say a year and now he's back. He would never not be back. Guys, this man loves the spotlight like you wouldn't believe. We're going to talk about that in a second. But he goes on to a podcast and decides to open up about me, of course, and what I did wrong, saying essentially things were fine until they weren't fine. And I'm just going to let you hear him in in context, what I've what I've done here and what he has to say about me. Take a listen. >> When Candice worked for you, do you sometimes look back at the decision and think that wasn't a good one when she was working at the wire? >> Yeah. Well, I certainly think that hiring Candace is probably the biggest mistake of my professional life so far. Um, at the time I had misgivings about Candace, but I it wasn't a completely cynical decision. I believed that uh Candace could be a great force for good in the world. Um, I still believe that Candace is the most talented person I've ever met, not just in conservative media, but in in any media. She has it, you know, she has that star quality. You know it the moment that you meet her. Unbelievable charm, unbelievable charisma. The camera absolutely loves her. She uh she has incredibly unique gifts and skills in that area. And when she wields those gifts and skills for good, she's incredibly effective. She was during the BLM movement in America. Some of the content that we made when we first brought Candace on was focused on that topic and I think she was as good as anybody in the world and made a really positive impact. I've said before, Candace is like nuclear energy. You know, if you if you harness it properly, she can power a city. If you lose control, she'll flatten the city. And I think that's what we're seeing now. Candace uh all those same gifts that she has at various times used for good, she's now using for ill. And there's no one better. The problem is if what you're pursuing is bad and you're the best at it, you're going to do an incredible amount of damage. And Candace is doing an incredible amount of damage. So, what's amazing about that is he's not even aware of how objectively racist what he just said was. We brought Candace on because she was critiquing black people. [laughter] We brought her on because it was nice to have a black person that was willing to call out Black Lives Matter. And that's largely why we brought her on. That's why we did. And she was doing great. We did the documentary and she talked about how Black Lives Matter had grown into really what it was was a black supremacy movement where they were no longer fighting for equality. actually what they wanted was special treatment. I believe that. I stand by that. I have not shifted my viewpoints on BLM and the fact that it was going to ultimately backfire on black America like it did burn down black American cities. But then then that oh my gosh when she then noticed that Israel was actually flattening cities. Really bad analogy there Jeremy when she noticed that actually the Jewish community was was acting like the supremacist suddenly and uh noticed that they were acting uh exceptionally they wanted to be treated exceptionally and they were coming after speech. That's when I realized that this energy this energy couldn't be harnessed. That's when we realized we had a problem. Oh, it could do great damage. It could flatten a city like BBNet and Yahoo did to Gaza. That's when [sighs] man, she was a talent. When I could teach her to go after black people, but then when she sort of noticed that Jewish people were not uh behaving correctly and were making demands in in a similar fashion and coming after people's lives and livelihood, that's when well, we had to draw the line. Nuclear energy, it's very bad. It's amazing. And then he he's going to correlate my show to pornography. Take a listen. >> You say people tell you that they listen to Candace. I had a guy tell me recently, he said, "You know what? What should I say to my wife? You know, she keeps she keeps telling me about things that she hears Candace say, and I I don't even know how to respond to them." I said, "I I would just respond by telling her fun things that you saw in some porno video that you watched." [laughter] >> He said, "Whoa, what are you talking about?" I said, "Well, the same level of shame should accompany both statements." Like, >> uh, one should be ashamed to say publicly that they're watching Candace Owens now. >> And Candace Owens, who is at war with the widow of her purported best friend, Charlie Kirk, uh, this is this is so far beyond the pale. You know, the fact that people can say with a straight face, oh, what do you make of what Candace said? What I make of it is that it is a kind of pornography. It is it is rhetorical pornography. It does the same thing that regular pornography does. It titillates. It stimulates. It's slightly naughty. Uh it's great for getting clicks and it makes tons of money on the internet. And you shouldn't be able to look at it if you're under 18 or [laughter] >> Now I remind you that one of the reasons I got fired is I said we should look into the history of pornography. Don't ask him that question. Don't ask him [laughter] about real pornography and where it comes from. Don't do that. Don't you dare because then you would be the kind of nuclear energy that we can't harness correctly. Now when you you talk about pornography, you should talk about real pornography. You should talk about podcast or people are getting educated and recognizing that there are double standards and that you cannot use emotional arguments like BLM did and like we are seeing Israel do today to go you you can't talk about the facts. George Floyd died and we can't talk about any more facts and this is crazy and we're all sad and we can't even discuss things rationally. same thing Israel post October 7th he's this is he is arguing like a leftist but the moment where you really recognize that we I had hoped that he checked into treatment to be honest with you but he has zero self-awareness is when Jeremy accuses me of being self arandizing take a listen to what he had to say >> Candace Owens is engaged in a as I as I see it Candace is engaged in um a project of self argrandisement. I've asked Candace on two separate occasions, what do you actually believe? And on both occasions, she told me, "I believe what the people believe. I am the voice of the people." >> Never mind that that's a completely amoral statement. Never mind that I don't know who the people are in this conversation. Uh never mind that the people, whoever they are, can obviously be wrong. Handis is actually saying somethingwhat profound. She's she's saying, "I will say whatever gets the most reward." She may not even know that that's what she's saying, but she's essentially she's uh articulating audience capture as a virtue. This is incredible for so many reasons. So, the first and foremost, that is obviously made up. It's it's such an obviously madeup conversation. Who just comes in and goes, "What do you believe?" Zero context. And then someone just replies and says, "I believe whatever the people believe." Zero. Like, believe regarding what are we talking about? faith. What are we talking about? The transgender movement. We don't just ask someone. I asked her three times. She said, "I believe whatever the people believe because I just want clicks." Which is why she took this path of going up against Black Lives Matter as a black person and putting on a Trump hat because the easy route that was obviously the easy route to get clicks back in 2016 is completely ridiculous. But to pretend that I am into myself, you I have to just shout this out because there are Daily Wire employees. You don't understand what we live through, you guys. And and they need to hear this. and they're just somewhere they're they're passing away listening to Jeremy Boring talk about somebody who likes attention. Jeremy Boring is the CEO who woke up every day like I I'm his biggest regret. So many more regrets that I could toss out of him. I'm going to try a few. like getting up every day, going into the office and getting your hair and your makeup done to play the role of a CEO. Making talent, people who had shows wait outside while you close the room, had people wash your hair, do your makeup, and style you hundreds of thousands of dollars on a clothing rack so you could go sit in the office and take phone calls like a CEO. That probably actually was the honest Jeremy. He's always been an aspiring actor. That's who he wants to be. He wants to be on a stage and he literally builds stages every time he speaks at the Daily Wire. Jeremy Boring is a person that is so obsessed with himself and thinks about nobody else that he put the company into debt. What happens? What's the true story? What happened to the Daily Wire? Jeremy Boring was wanting to live out his boyhood theater kid dreams, right? He blew flew out virtually the entire company to Hungary to bring a book that he read in middle school to life on a budget that would make HBO blush. Paying to transport bulls across the continent of Europe and the process obviously plummeting a once financially healthy company into the ground. I am told last number I heard was $67 million spent on a high school dream. so much money that he had to borrow empty a savings account, borrow money personally from Ben Shapiro to make ends meet because he couldn't let go of his high school dream. That's not ranking as his number one regret because that's the true story of what happened in the Daily Wire. Everything else is noise. Actually, the Bull Work podcast, which is no friend of mine, they hate me. Um, they were pretty frank if you go back and listen and honest about what happened at the Daily Wire. They spent some time investigating it. Take a listen. because of the Daily Wire's enormous revenues, they were in their their streaming ambitions, Jeremy Borg was able to become not just like to finance this, but he is the director and the creator of it. Um, this like incredibly ambitious uh operation and so like they they made these production diaries and so I watched these videos on YouTube of them filming it and you look at it and it's like are they capable of doing this? I mean, we're talking of like a hundred extras like fist fighting in a marsh in Hungary. Like the mist is coming in all like enormous crews. Then they're like, "Well, we're flying off to Italy." >> And this was on the Daily Wires dime. They were doing this. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Oh my god. >> Oh yeah. We're flying to Italy to film with bulls, but they were imported from Spain, so it's all good. Like it's it's authentic. And you're just like like kaching kaching kaching. [laughter] >> And it still hasn't come out. Well, that might explain some of this departure agreement where you're spending millions on a bizarre project set in Roman era Britain but filmed in Hungary involving Italian bulls meant to be from Spain. >> That's actually that's actually what happened and it caused me Jeremy Boring to have a mental a mental break and we all just had to be subjected to it um as people that were working up at Daily Wire. And he would think that after taking a hiatus, he would come back and realizing this failed, nobody wanted to buy it. Nobody wanted anything to do with it because like always, he casts himself in every role. Jeremy Boring's razors, Jeremy Boring's hair products, Jeremy Boring's high school project. Uh Jeremy Boring, Jeremy Boring all the time. Build a stage cuz I want to fire Candace. You would think, but after taking a year to reflect, he would come back and say, "That's my biggest mistake. that I put me at the center of everything and I took a financially healthy company and I crushed it. And you know what else was a mistake? If I'm Jeremy Boring, I would say it was a mistake not to just end things amicably with Candace. Especially when she gave me the option after Ben jumped up on a table and accused her of being a faux sophisticate because she said genocide is always wrong. Yeah. when she came to me eight and a half months pregnant, hands open and willing to discuss and fix things or agree to amicably go our separate ways if we couldn't post October 7th. Uh he he decided not to do that. Jeremy decided to instead maniacally uh convey to me that they suspected that I might have been secretly working with Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson like we're the three musketeers or something. Rather than simply humbling himself, admitting that he was completely deluded and wrong and that I was in fact always loyal to the company that I worked for, he hatched up his next great plan. Oh, I know. I'll I'll fix two birds with one stone. Okay, I sank the company into debt, but I can fix it. My next big plan is to do what we did to Breitbart. We'll create a fake scandal. We'll accuse Candace, who's actually hardworking, super pregnant. We'll accuse her of being anti-Semitic and gloriously fire her over having said Christ is king. We'll do this during Lent because surely that will lead to more Daily Wire signups. It worked for us once at Breitbart. You think we can do it again? The world will see it our way, right? The world will see it our way. They'll realize that we had to do the tough but the moral thing. Well, well, it it's a scop. like we just need the money. But they'll realize that we took a moral stance for Jews because what kind of monster tweets genocide is always wrong. True story. Jeremy actually personally reviewed Andrew Claven's episode before it went out. The first attack after we amicably departed. Jeremy proved it. He's so genius and so sure of himself. Management truly believed that they were going to get a bunch of signups of the Daily Wire in mass. the whole world was going to support them and their debt issues would be wiped away. And it's now been two years. And you would think, Jeremy, I would think that you might have the courage to admit that it was simply a bad decision to build a stage, to execute a corporate slave hanging, to go to war over with someone that would have amically left. I think it also may have left a bad taste in a lot of employees mouths, many of whom uh subsequently left and leaked to the press what had happened because uh because unlike you, I actually knew those employees names. You never bothered to learn their names. You walked by them. They were beneath you. They weren't exactly buying what their narcissistic CEO who puts his name on everything was selling when it came to me. And what you did to me came across as cruel and unnecessary. A little extra judicial. Most people just This could have been an email. Now, if I was in your shoes, I I might even rank having sent an intern on a secret mission to stalk the woman that you just fired to Dallas to Turning Point USA to put her on a plane, an intern. I might rank that as having been a mistake, a psychotic mistake, no less. uh followed by a somehow even worse decision as a CEO to then author a maniacal almost five-page long email to the entire company admitting to the act justifying the decision to secretly follow someone that you had gloriously fired saying and I quote it's my right it's my right to know what she's saying that's not why you were sending her you were sending her to ask me a question if you wanted to know what I was saying turning point USA live streams their events okay we know what you were doing now were I in your shoes, Jeremy. I might even rank you bizarrely telling Brett Cooper than a very young employee of yours just a few weeks before she was slated to get married, sitting her down and telling her that she she shouldn't do that because you had big plans and you were going to turn her into a star because you're the magic. I would probably rank that at the tippity top of bad corporate decisions among others. You maybe forgot yourself in that moment as you always do. maybe got a little swept up in you, but conservatives, those pretending to be conservative companies certainly uh are not supposed to chase Hollywood fame above family. And I think personally that she made the right decision to leave. And then you made again the wrong decision like the angry rep repressed homosexual that you are to not just allow a young woman again 21 years old to just leave, but to again stalk because that's what you do. You stalk. You pretend it's a business, but you're you're glorified stalkers. in this time in the most sadistic manner possibly ever, offering an obscene amount of money to her maid of honor at that wedding that you didn't want her to have, to hurt her, replacing her with her maid of otter because you wanted Brett Cooper, a young woman, to suffer for simply wanting to change jobs, which is why you worked behind the scenes through the same demented PR orbit to try to smear her, the friendly pop culture young girl, as an anti-semite. over an Instagram like because she liked a yearend roundup of my podcast. And you wouldn't have that. You wouldn't have that. You know, I I'd rank that as another mistake. But what I rank as one of my prouder moments in all of that was using some of my nuclear energy to stand up for her publicly despite contractual restraints. Using my platform to say what you did to her was wrong. And when you sued me for that, for standing up for Brett Cooper, I want you to know that I communicated to my legal team that I would accept that. I would accept the penalty of hundreds of thousands of dollars which you wanted uh to impart upon me for me doing the right thing and standing up for someone who didn't deserve what you were putting her through. You did put me through it and you were trying to put her through it. And I told my husband that I would gladly pay that money. I said if the judge came back in your favor, I wouldn't lie. I would admit that I consciously stood up for somebody who didn't deserve to be smeared. I'm proud of that. In fact, I would have hung it up on a wall and showed my kids that money isn't everything. Doing the right thing is. So maybe all of that could rank somewhere as your ranking worst decisions that you've ever made. No, probably not, right? Probably not because you are just a malignant narcissist. You admitted to me that you had a mental break in Hungary. They didn't sleep for days. And you never really, Jeremy, have admitted to yourself that you haven't come back from it. You really have not come back from it. You You are not okay. your plan here to redeem yourself uh was to try to destroy my life. You blame me for what you did. In the process, honestly, the only thing that you've been successful at is ruining your own life. So, what I think that you're actually suited for, Jeremy, is to return back to Texas where you grew up, that key you wear around that your neck, that bent key that you wear as a necklace every day. Okay, for those of you who don't know that key, which the company is named after, Bent Key Ventures, is a key that he's kept around his neck for 28 years from his hometown, and it unlocks a Playhouse Theater where he once performed on stage. I think that that's where he should return. He's best suited to go back to Texas to quit playing pretend in the real world, and to resume his playhouse acting. How's that? We'll be right back after. >> All right, you guys. Very quickly want to remind you about American financing. Because between groceries, travel, and higher prices, it's easy to feel completely overwhelmed, especially if you are already relying on credit cards to cover the basics. If that debt is piling up, you should know that you are not alone. If you're a homeowner, you might have considered making that switch, maybe reaching out to American Financing, but hesitated because you did not want to give up your low mortgage rate. Well, that's why American Financing created the Smart Equity Loan. It's a simple, smart way to get your finances back on track without giving up your low mortgage rate. Unlike a HELOC, which can fluctuate with the market, the Smart Equity Loan offers a fixed rate, so you'll have one predictable monthly payment. 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Yeah, I like I said, I'm done making excuses after she got caught red-handed and everything I'm learning from the employees right now. Like she was very much involved in a lot of the PR stuff. She I assumed everyone was just doing things and she was gathering herself and she was like at home in the fetal uh condition. Nope. She was in the office every day and she was making informed decisions alongside Stacy Sheridan and this Marina Mas who I need to take time to look into who apparently, by the way, ironically watches my show every day in the office. Turning Point USA watches this show live in the office and then fired someone for screenshotting this show in the office. I don't even I I I don't comprehend that. I'm going to be honest with you. Um, okay. Let's get into some of your comments from today's episode. Uh, Kiki writes, "Candice, what do you mean? Erica said she was watching your show in the beginning and learning. Her husband was just murdered and she was waiting to tune into your next episode. She did not call and ask you for every detail. Be for real, Erica. She thinks we are dumb." Again, yes, in retrospect, I realized and have since learned that she did tell me a lot of uh fibs during our sitdown. And the biggest one for me is just the consistent throwing Andrew Kovette under the bus and then me learning that Andrew told the truth from other people. I'm getting I was getting played. I was getting played. And I will own the fact that I was not in a position emotionally to contend with her acting in that manner at all. Obviously, I knew Charlie personally. So, I was not Look, this story was not objective for me. This has been a subjective story. I was genuinely in grief and my sister was correct when she said, "You have suffered a trauma. I couldn't eat. I couldn't sleep. I uh had when I went to Wyoming, it was I was starting to go through the phase of bargaining and hoping that Charlie really was alive." Like trying to find the part the pocket of the internet that would tell me that he was actually secretly alive. And I realized I that that's not a good place to be in and I need to take a break and to deal and get to the stage of acceptance. And I don't think I don't regret that it took me a while to even look at what other people were saying. I I think I needed to believe that these were his real friends and that everything in his life was I don't know. I don't know what I needed to believe. I I was going through my own process. I wasn't ready. And I am ready now because I don't like people lie to my face and I don't like when people use a lot of money and PR agents and I just feel foolish to be honest with you and then send me a cease and desist is crazy. Like you don't have a right to investigate what happened to Charlie. You don't have a right to ask questions about his murder because our contract covers everybody and their mamas. Goodbye. Again, unconscionable. Something I could not have known when I signed that agreement to tour with Charlie Kirk is that he was going to be publicly assassinated and the people at the organization that he built. Okay. Many nights of no sleep were going to be colluding to obscure things from the public. That's a pretty strong thing that I could not have known. I I just I'm so this whole contract stuff. It's fake. It's gay. It's over. We left it in 2025. Okay. the lawsuit stuff to basically say I'm allowed to be immoral because you signed a contract and didn't perceive how I could be immoral is just done. You're welcome. It's over. It's done. And the people that do this should just be called out at all times. Honor no contracts where people are trying to make it so that they can treat you immorally. Honor no contracts. There's no way a contract can be written that says I'm allowed to be a jerk, an I'm allowed to lie and I'm allowed to abuse you because you sign of a dotted line. Blow him up. Blow him up. Okay. I'm sorry. [sighs] You know, this is the time where I make a statement that I did tell the priest that I would uh chill and I am going to talk to him. Actually, I realize that it's been a probably like seven weeks since I've spoken to him and I'm going to get on that. Anyways, I call Shia writes season 3 episode 4 of Everyone Grieves Dently. Oh, no. You got that wrong. It's We're in season eight, I think. Actually, seven Sheets writes, "Boring makes my skin crawl all the more reason. We're here watching you and have been long before the tragedy of Charlie Kirk and continue to be. God bless you, our Jon of Arc. I will uh keep dropping these and more if we can get two-hour episodes with Candace." But I love what we get. So, appreciate it. That's a a tremendous donation. I really appreciate you guys. And yeah, I just I don't know. Maybe something did break inside of me with this whole Charlie Kirk thing, but it is it is the audacity of all of it. These they're such bad people. That's what I want you to know. They're such bad people. I have not even told you 10% of what Jeremy Boring put me through. I mean, and yeah, every time it was, we'll bankrupt you. We'll bankrupt you. If you tell anybody what we're doing to you, we'll bankrupt you. You're you're basically allowed to write contracts to abuse people because normal people when they're signing these agreements, you don't you don't think that it's being written so that they can abuse you. you're like, "Oh, we're just agreeing like I'm going to show up to work, do the right thing, be honest with you, have a communicate with you about what I'm going through, and depart amicably." But within the world of politics, entertainment, that's not what they're doing. And that's what I I want to use my platform to let you guys know that's not what they're doing. They're they're trying to control you, and it's very sinister. And I I could not stay silent with them trying to pull that move on Brett Cooper. Like, I was I'm good, okay?