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Political strategist Adam Goodman reflects on the assassination of Turning Point USA co-founder Charlie Kirk at a Utah university, describing it as a national alarm bell that exposed America's intolerance crisis. Goodman argues that Kirk's legacy wasn't just about political debate, but about challenging people to defend their views with reason rather than emotion. He warns that without collective action to restore civil discourse, democracy itself becomes unsustainable when citizens with courage to serve are made to feel like targets.
A National Alarm Bell
The assassination of conservative activist and Turning Point USA co-founder Charlie Kirk at a Utah university event has sent shockwaves through the political landscape. Adam Goodman, partner at Ballard Partners, describes the tragedy as more than just a personal loss—it's a wake-up call for the entire nation.
Goodman spoke with numerous people in Washington, D.C. who knew Kirk, many in their 30s like Charlie, full of life and optimism about the future. These individuals, many of whom are parents of young children and serve in public office, couldn't help but reflect on how easily they could have been in Kirk's position. The tragedy forced a moment of deep reflection about why this happened and what responsibility society bears for allowing it to occur.
Institutional Response and Drawing the Line
Since the college protests against the situation in Gaza, many institutions have learned important lessons about drawing clear lines between right and wrong. Following Kirk's assassination, several organizations took decisive action. MSNBC fired a longtime contributor over insensitive comments about the tragedy. College presidents, including Adam Hasner at Florida Atlantic University, terminated employees who crossed the line with inappropriate responses.
This represents a shift from merely saying "you shouldn't say that" to actively not tolerating intolerance anymore. Goodman suggests that perhaps this moment will cause society to grow up and change, to dial back the rhetoric and rediscover how to talk to one another regardless of differences in party, ideology, or background.
Charlie Kirk's Unique Approach to Dialogue
Kirk, who was in his early 30s, became known for going viral on social media through debates with liberals on college campuses. His "prove me wrong" events allowed attendees to engage in head-to-head debates with him. But these exchanges weren't just interesting theater—they were substantive attempts at meaningful conversation.
Kirk's approach was to challenge people to defend their viewpoints not with bile, bias, and prejudice, but with reason, common sense, and truth. He would ask those who disagreed with him to explain why they felt that way, demanding factual and truthful responses rather than purely emotional reactions. More often than not, those who were highly emotional proved underwhelming in substantively defending their perspectives.
This approach revealed something fundamental about the social media world we live in, where people converse in short form without the sensitivity they would have in face-to-face interactions. Kirk's work demonstrated the difference between being a "keyboard warrior" behind a screen versus engaging substantively when face-to-face with someone.
Kirk's Lasting Impact on the Republican Party
Regardless of whether people agreed with Kirk or found him polarizing, no one can deny his impact on the GOP and the conservative movement under President Trump. His legacy is real and continuing, with Turning Point USA seeing numbers take off as people embrace another chapter to come.
President Trump reportedly credited Kirk with shoring up the youth vote to win in 2024. When asked who might fill Kirk's shoes, Goodman struggled to identify a single person who could carry that torch right now. However, he expressed optimism that if Gen Z takes the right lessons from this tragedy, several young people will emerge to fill those shoes going forward.
The Intolerance Crisis
Goodman identifies intolerance as the one thing that keeps him awake at night—the single biggest threat to democracy and freedom in America. This intolerance has gone unabated and has actually grown over the years, driven by social media and other factors affecting the political process.
Rather than simply mourning Kirk's loss and discussing lessons learned, Goodman advocates for concrete action. His recommendations include:
- Collectively shaming those who don't enable tolerant conversations to happen, particularly on college campuses where right-of-center or conservative voices are often made to feel unwelcome
- Implementing tougher penalties in the law, treating attacks on public officials as akin to treason with much more strenuous and harsh consequences
- Elevating campaign rhetoric away from character assassination toward discussions of differing ideas
Goodman points to the example of Joe Burelli, a Republican in New York, who said the worst thing he wants to happen to his opponent, Democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani, is for him to lose the race. Burelli noted that he and Mamdani text and joke with each other—a reminder that the worst outcome for political opposition should be losing an election, not something far more sinister.
The White Noise Effect and Campaign Politics
Drawing on over 40 years in campaign politics, Goodman describes what he calls the "white noise effect"—when television ads, digital ads, and other placements pound away with huge dollars behind them to the point where everyone tunes out. This represents a lost opportunity.
Instead of character assassination, campaigns should focus on presenting two fundamental different philosophies and going at it on ideas rather than attacking each other personally. Goodman admits he shares blame for the current state of political rhetoric along with everyone else who has worked in the political field.
Finding an Off-Ramp
Utah Governor Spencer Cox captured the moment perfectly when he said, "I know that things were really dark in the late 1960s, but this is our moment. Do we escalate or do we find an off-ramp?" He emphasized that it's a choice everyone gets to make.
Goodman draws a parallel to September 12, 2001, when no one was a Republican or Democrat—everyone came together as a country. He references the movie "12 Strong" about the horse soldiers who responded after 9/11 with an impossible mission in Afghanistan, noting that's the America we want, where everyone pulls together as one.
While watching people celebrate Kirk's death on social media was horrifying, Goodman remains optimistic because conversations across the political aisle have shown people are disgusted by what happened and want to return to a more united America. So far, the normal nasty rhetoric that typically follows such events has been less prevalent, and those who went that route have been dismissed—literally fired from their positions.
The Suspect and the Charges
Tyler Robinson, the suspected shooter, faces charges of aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily harm, two counts of obstruction of justice, two counts of witness tampering, and commission of a violent offense in the presence of a child. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.
According to his own writings, Robinson apparently said he was tired of Charlie Kirk's hate—a statement that itself betrays the same kind of hatred and intolerance that has plagued American discourse. Goodman argues that whatever happens to the suspect is inconsequential if the bigger lessons aren't learned about what needs to be done to prevent this from happening again.
The Pattern of Political Violence
Kirk's assassination is part of an alarming pattern of political violence in recent years, including the shooting of Representative Steve Scalise, the plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, the assassination attempts on President Trump, and the assassination of Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman.
Democracy cannot sustain itself if people with the courage to stand up and serve others are made to feel like they could be targets at any point. While presidents and presidential candidates have Secret Service protection, most public servants are largely on their own. Kirk had minimal security at his final event in Utah.
This reality creates a chilling effect that could discourage others from seeking to help and serve their communities—a fundamental threat to American values of free speech and civic participation.
A Path Forward: Communities of Tolerance
Goodman proposes an innovative solution: publishing lists of communities around America based on tolerance. Just as people moved from north to south in large numbers in the five years since COVID, he believes people would gravitate toward communities that welcome everyone regardless of political beliefs.
Some communities, like Seattle, Washington, may be comfortable for liberals and progressives but make others feel like outcasts. In contrast, communities that embrace neighborhood values and neighborliness, where people pull for each other without passing political judgments, could become the big winners.
Those communities that show intolerance, however, are headed down the other side of the mountain. The message is simple: places that say "you're welcome here"—the big "you," wherever people come from—will be the ones where people choose to live, love, and be supported.
An Uncertain Future
What this assassination means for the political landscape going forward remains unknown. With midterms just over a year away and another presidential election in a couple of years, the impact is difficult to predict. Political operatives tend to be risk-averse, sticking with the same playbook until it doesn't work anymore.
If Zohran Mamdani succeeds in the New York mayoral race, it becomes a referendum on his job performance. His success or failure could significantly impact the 2026 midterms—giving Republicans a major issue if he fails, or giving Democrats reason to get up off the mat and cheer again if he succeeds.
But these should be referendums on the job public servants do, not on something personal about them as individuals. That distinction represents the kind of elevated discourse that could honor Charlie Kirk's legacy and help America find its way back to civil dialogue and mutual respect.
Video Transcript
[Music]
Hi everybody. I'm Britney Lewis, a
reporter here at Forbes. Joining me now
is Adam Goodman, partner at Ballard
Partners. Adam, thanks so much for
joining me.
Great to be with you again, Britney.
It is great to have you and I always
appreciate our conversations and your
insight, especially right now because we
we seem to be at a really heavy moment.
conservative activist and Turning Point
USA co-founder Charlie Kirk was
assassinated last week at an event at a
Utah university. So to start off the
conversation, what do you make of the
moment our country is in right now?
Well, this is more than just a personal
tragedy. It's like a national alarm bell
just went off and it woke everybody up.
I've talked to a number of people here
in DC uh who knew Charlie Kirk um and uh
were somewhat close to Charlie Kirk and
a lot of these people are like Charlie
in in their 30s you know full of life
full of you know optimism about what's
ahead and they couldn't help but reflect
back on how this is eerily close to
where they could have been perhaps on
another another day in another way. Um,
a lot of these people are parents of
young children like Charlie Kirk. A lot
of these people are serving in public
office, uh, and putting out, you know,
uh, very public messages. Certainly,
that's something that Charlie Kirk did
with abandon. Um, and so that it's hard
to kind of divorce your own life, I
guess, uh, from those especially in
their 30s, looking at Charlie Kirk as
maybe the the apostle of a new kind of
way of of, uh, talking about things and
talking through things and seeing when
his life was cut short and that
conversation was cut short, um, you
know, how that can't do anything but
really have a chilling effect on
everyone regardless of your ideology,
frankly, because of your age. It just
it's one of those moments that stopped
everyone in their tracks and made us
reflect maybe more deeply than ever
about why this happened. Uh what
responsibility maybe some or all of us
have had in some way and h and this
having occurred. Um because you know
you've seen a lot of talk Britney about
you know this is is inevitable and
politics in the public space you know
some blame about why this you know came
to pass. Obviously, I think there have
been a lot of lessons learned uh since
we saw the college protests uh against
the situation in Gaza not, you know, not
so long ago that caused the jobs of a
lot of college presidents who uh were
unwilling to draw the line uh between
obvious wrong versus right. And what
you're seeing in this with Charlie Kirk
is a lot of people, a lot of
institutions did draw the line. MSNBC,
you know, fired one of their longtime
contributors over insensitive comments.
There have been college presidents like
my good friend Adam Hasner at FAU who
did the same with an employee who
crossed the line. And it's not like,
hey, you shouldn't say that, you
shouldn't do that. It is like we're not
tolerating that intolerance anymore. And
maybe if there's a a wrinkle, a positive
wrinkle to any of this, which you hate
to even say in that that way, it is that
maybe we're going to grow up a bit and
maybe we're going to change a bit. Maybe
this is the moment where we say, you
know what, bridge too far. Let's dial it
back a bit and find out truly how we can
talk to one another again. How we can
kind of pull for one another again. uh
regardless of our differences of
opinion, our differences of party,
ideology, walks of life, you know, all
of those things. So maybe Britney, just
maybe, there'll be a real positive
effect of a very tragic event.
And Charlie Kirk was in his early 30s
and he would go viral on social media
for debating liberals, debating people
on college campuses. if you were an
attendee at one of his events, you could
participate in the prove me wrong debate
where you would go have a head-to-head
essentially with Charlie Kirk. And those
were just words. I mean,
do you think that this is going to
embolden people to keep talking, to keep
having those dialogues? Do you think
it's going to completely shut them down?
I mean, what does this look like for the
future of conversations in this country
about political disagreements? Because
that is one of the good things about
being an American, right? you and I
could have a disagreement and then, you
know, put it aside. I mean, that's what
I thought it used to be and now it seems
like we're in a different place.
Well, there is no free freedom of speech
when you feel threatened to be free to
to speak your mind, right? Number one,
if you would watch any of Charlie Kirk's
stuff from the past, uh, the
engagements, they were fascinating. It
didn't just it wasn't just interesting
theater, right, so to speak. It was
truly interesting attempts by Charlie
Kirk to engage someone in a substantive
meaningful conversation. A lot of times,
you know, he went on college campuses.
Uh college students would engage him.
And what Charlie would normally do is
say, "Okay, you know, it's not and
frankly it's not about the difference of
opinion that Charlie had with whoever he
was uh conversing with. It wanted them
to defend their point of view not with
bile and bias and prejudice but with
reason, common sense and truth, right?
He challenged them to be truthful, to be
factual. Tell me why you feel that way.
And more often than not, uh, those that
were highly emotional were very
underwhelming in terms of substantively
defending their perspective. And that in
itself is revealing. And maybe that's a
reflection, Britney, of the social media
world we now live in where we we kind of
converse in short form. We converse
without maybe the sensitivity we would
have if you and I, for instance, were
together in a room. And, you know, we
are we're kind of reacting to each other
differently than we would just even
doing this this interview by Zoom. And I
think that was the value that Charlie
was trying to bring into play. If you
disagree with me, fine. That's fine.
Tell me why, but don't just say, "I
don't like you. I don't like what you're
saying." Okay. What else? What is it
about what I'm saying that's not true
that you disagree with? And that's fine
again if you're coming from a different
direction, but don't do that out of pure
emotion and frankly misinformation and
ignorance. Bring it substantively. And I
hope that people would study what
Charlie Kirk did in his very short life.
Uh if there's any takeaway I'd urge
especially young people to to try to
find it would be that meaning
and especially when you use social media
when people are just on social media all
the time. I mean it's really easy to
become a keyboard warrior because it's
very easy to be brave when you're
leaving that comment when you're
engaging with someone behind a screen
versus when you're face to face with
them. And within the past couple of
days, Charlie Kirk's legacy has been
discussed. And it doesn't matter if you
agreed with him. It doesn't matter if
you thought he was polarizing. No one
can deny the impact that he's had on the
GOP and particularly this conservative
movement we're seeing with President
Trump now. So, how would you put his
impact on the Republican party into
words?
Wow. Well, it's it was it was real and
it will be continuing. as you've seen
the the numbers have just taken off in
terms of people who are following a
turning point and are ready and
embracing another chapter uh to come.
The biggest the biggest problem I
believe and I felt this way for years
Britany in America I say what's the one
thing that keeps me awake at night? It's
one word intolerance. The fact that we
are grown so intolerant of one another
of different points of view is the
biggest threat to democracy and freedom
we've got and it has gone unabated. In
fact, it's grown over the years and a
lot of a lot of things written about and
discussed about why social media and and
other things that are kind of driving
this the political process. And so maybe
constructively we should be asking
ourselves, okay, what are we going to do
about it? Instead of mourning the loss
of a of a young person like Charlie Kirk
who had so much more to give and saying
we took take be taken away from this
certain lessons let's do more than that
let's do something and so some of the
things that would be on my list of
things to do one is I think we should uh
collectively shame those who are not
enabling conversations tolerant
conversations to happen I don't care
where they are and I think one of the
biggest violations of that in recent
times, in my opinion, has been on
college campuses where if you are uh
right of center or a conservative or
beyond, uh more often than not, you're
made to feel very uncomfortable. You're
unwelcome, unwanted, dissed, all those
things. We have to find a way to shame
those who would uh accept that kind of
intolerance. The second thing is I think
there should be tougher penalties,
frankly, in the law. And this goes back
not to commentators like Charlie Kirk,
but to public officials. I think when
anyone takes a shot at anyone that has
the courage to stand up and try to serve
their country that should that to me is
akin to treason. I think there should be
you much more you know strenuous laws uh
harsher laws and penalties against that.
The third thing is and and I'm the blame
for this as much as anybody else uh
listening who has been in the political
field. We've got to elevate our campaign
rhetoric. So many campaigns to this very
moment, Britney, so many campaigns are
so focused on character assassination as
opposed to a discussion of the
differences and ideas that we have. That
would elevate us. But what we have
instead are just, you know, the pe two
people going into the Thunderdome,
right, and waiting to see who comes out
alive thinking that's some grand
theater. Well, the problem with the
theater is it's real theater and it's
its impact on the real world and on real
lives is palpable. And I think we've got
to find a way to embrace a higher level
of communication in politics where it's
not us versus them.
I think that's a really good point. And
there's a Republican in New York, Joe
Burelli. He was on CNN and he said that
he is against Zoromani who's running for
mayor as a Democratic socialist in New
York City and he said, "But the worst
thing I want to happen to Zorom Donni is
him losing this race. Him and I were
texting and he was texting me about
something he said and we ended up
joking." That was what his comments
were. And I thought that was a nice
reminder, right, that the worst thing
you want your political opposition to do
is lose a race. You can still joke. you
can still have human interactions with
them. Do you think people need to share
more examples of that?
Uh they will and they'll start doing
that if it starts working. I I maybe I'm
just an optimist at heart. Well, I am an
optimist at heart. It's very clear. Uh I
believe that we have gotten to the choke
point where we've had enough of this. I
know in campaign politics, and I did
that for over 40 years, so I'm not a a
newbie to that that world. Um what's
happened in recent uh campaign cycles is
what I call the white noise effect where
you see television ads and digital ads
and and other kinds of placements uh
just pounding away uh with with huge
dollars behind them to the point where
everyone at some point the campaign
turns off. I mean everyone they kind of
tune it out. I call it the white noise
effect and that's a loss opportunity.
what they should be doing is you know
what there are two ways to look at what
we should be doing uh on the southern
border two fundamental different
philosophies here is one way to approach
it and here's another and really going
at it I mean hammer and tong going at it
on ideas but not on each other
and I mean I think I'm an optimist too
because of course after this really just
horrific tragedy you see people
celebrating on social media But the
conversations I've had with people from
both sides of the aisle have been
they've been horrified by what they saw.
They were disgusted by what they saw and
they want to get back to the America we
were in. I had a conversation with a
Republican strategist on 911 the day
after this tragedy. And she said, "I
remember what it was like 24 years ago.
We no one was a Republican on the 12th
of September. No one was a Democrat. We
all came together and we were all a
country." And I think someone that's
really trying to tamp down these
temperatures is the Utah Governor
Spencer Cox. This is what he said.
Quote, "I know that things were really
dark in the late 1960s, but this is our
moment. Do we escalate or do we find an
off-ramp?" And again, it's a choice.
It's a choice, and everyone of us gets
to make that choice. What do you think
of this moment right now? Do you think
we're going to find this off-ramp? And I
know you're an optimist.
I I hope we do. And And what better time
to do it than now? I can't imagine,
Britney, that you and I are the only
ones who feel that this doesn't make us
happier,
more whole, more optimistic about what's
ahead even tomorrow. These are there
nothing there's nothing but negative
that comes out of an intolerant approach
to an American experience. There's
nothing I see but that if we change
that, everything can change. If we
don't, I think we spiral even deeper
into an abyss that we ourselves put in.
Put ourselves in. There's not You can't
blame public officials. You can't blame
people that were courageous like Charlie
Kirk standing on his own two feet to try
to embrace. You've got to blame all all
of America for not standing up before
that bullet was fired at Charlie Kirk
and saying to collectively and together,
enough is enough. Let's get back to what
makes us whole. And I'll close by saying
this. Um I saw the other night uh I
think it's the second time I saw the
movie uh 12 Strong. It was about the
reaction of the horse soldiers uh after
911 uh and in an impossible mission in
Afghanistan to try to stop the Taliban
uh uh and al-Qaeda from you know
continuing to do the damage they had
done. And as I'm watching that and I'm
reflecting on the Charlie Kirk moment,
um I'm like that's the America. That's
the America we want where everyone to
your point Britney everyone in that in
this country pulled together and said we
are one. Let's go get it right and we
need another moment like that. I think
this time gives us an opportunity to get
there. Um, and for so far I must say the
rhetoric kind of the the normal nasty
rhetoric that attends all sorts of
things I haven't seen as much of with
Charlie Kirk and those that went that
way have been dismissed frankly
literally they've been dismissed. Uh
maybe that's an encouraging first sign.
But now we got to take it to the next
step. It gets more difficult the day
after, the week after, the month after
to continue down that path. I hope we
do.
I know. And to that point, it we're
looking at the week after, the weeks
after, the month, the year after. We
want I mean, I know you and I, we want
these temperatures to cool down. What do
you think that this assassination though
means for the political landscape going
forward because we have the midterms in
a little over a year. We have another
presidential election, I mean, in a
couple of years. But what does this do
to all of those events going forward?
It's unknown. It really is unknown. Uh
maybe it changes to some degree normal
playbooks in politics, maybe it doesn't.
I I I tend to think that the people that
generally work in politics are risk
averse, which means they tend to keep
playing with the same playbook until it
doesn't work anymore and wait for
someone to get them another book that
worked maybe last year. Maybe Mandani is
helping to, you know, to rewrite a kind
of a new chapter in the playbook. We're
going to see. But of course, you know,
if you're uh if you're not rooting for
Ma Donnie, uh you're thinking that, you
know, if he does succeed in the race for
mayor, it looks like he will. Uh it then
becomes a referendum on his job as the
mayor of New York. And whether or not he
succeeds, if he doesn't, that becomes a
major, I think, midterm issue in 2026
for Republicans. If he does, it would
give real hope to a Democratic party
that's been somewhat deflated in
optimism on its own in recent times.
gives them reason maybe to get up off
the mat and cheer again. We're gonna
see. But that would hopefully be a
referendum not on something personal
about uh Mr. Mandani, but on the job he
does or doesn't do in managing the most
important city on Earth.
And President Trump reportedly credited
Charlie Kirk with shoring up the youth
vote to win in 2024. Mhm.
Do you think that, and I know that, you
know, we're still in the wake of this
tragedy, but do you think that there's
anyone that can potentially fill this
gap? Do you think there's anyone that
can carry the torch for the Republican
party that Charlie Kirk carried?
Gosh, you know, I was asked that the
other day. I I was hardressed to come up
with a name. I mean, the first person
who came to mind, it's not a
generational fit, uh, was Tucker Carlson
because Tucker Carlson is straight out,
right? But he has a whole different
style. So, I quickly discounted that. I
can't think of one person that right now
I know of that can fill Charlie Kirk
shoes. But if they if Americans,
especially Jenzers, take the right
lessons from this tragedy, I think there
are a number of young people who are
going to fill those shoes and fill them
well as we start moving forward. I do
now want to turn to the charges that the
suspected shooter, Tyler Robinson, faces
because they were announced right before
you and I jumped on this call. He faces
charges of aggravated murder, felony
discharge of a firearm causing serious
bodily harm, two counts of obstruction
of justice, two counts of witness
tampering, and commission of a violent
offense in the presence of a child. And
they are seeking the death penalty. So,
what do you make of the charges? And
what do you make of the prosecutor
seeking the death penalty here? Well,
you know, those who believe in the death
penalty for certain offenses are going
to uh certainly favor moving that
direction if uh the suspect is proven
guilty. Uh by his own writings,
apparently uh I think he said something
to the effect, Britney, that he was
tired of Charlie Kirk's hate. Now, that
is a kind of hatred in and of itself,
which is intolerance. He this suspect in
his own words apparently he was
betraying the same kind of intolerance
uh that all of you and I have now been
talking about in this show and a lot of
people have kind of had it up to here
with um uh I think on the other hand
whatever happens to this suspect is
going to be inconsequential if the
bigger lessons aren't learned from what
happened and what we need to do to
prevent it from happening again. That's
the bigger idea, not what happens to
this 22-year-old ultimately in the
system of justice, which I have great
faith will deal with him appropriately.
And in the recent years, we have seen
just an alarming amount of acts of
political violence, anything from the
shooting of Representative Steve Scaliz,
the plot to kidnap Michigan Governor
Gretchen Whitmer, the assassination
attempts of President Trump, the
assassination of the Minnesota House
Speaker Melissa Hortman, just to name a
few. Do you think we're going to
continue to see these acts of political
violence or do you think that this is
perhaps a turning point in the country
right now?
Well, we can't sustain ourselves in
democracy if we don't do something about
it. Right? If anyone who decides to have
the courage and temerity to stand up and
serve others is suddenly made to feel
like they could be a target at any
point, that's unsustainable. And you
know that the people you rep you uh
talked about in Minnesota and and other
places had almost no actually they had
no security that were really was in
play. You know, it's one thing for the
president of the United States or
presidential candidate to have Secret
Service protection. It's quite another
when you're going out there and you're
pretty much all on your own. Uh Charlie
Kirk, I think had minimal um security on
in play for his, you know, his last act,
so to speak, in Utah. Um, I worry about
that and I worry about that having an
even bigger chilling effect, Brittany,
on others seeking to do uh to help and
serve others. I hope that doesn't
happen. But if we do not, you know, send
a signal loud and clear that this is
completely wrong and unacceptable and
that we make it something that everybody
in America, the one thing maybe in
America, everyone can agree on since
911. Let's make it that. I mean, the
word or the phrase I was going to use
was chilling effect when you were saying
that, too, because like you said,
there's one thing if you're the
president or someone else with high
security. It's another thing if you
don't have that security. Do you think
that's going to scare people from saying
what they want to say to having because
free speech is such a value, an American
value?
Yeah, it it yes, it it could have a
chilling effect and yes, it is a
fundamental American value. One other
thing I would do, by the way, just, you
know, I have a creative mind, so I'm
always thinking outside the box. You
know, to try to go on the positive end
of this, I think they should start
publishing list of communities around
America based on tolerance. Like, you
know, if you're a if you're a liberal, a
progressive living in Seattle,
Washington, you probably feel
comfortable because most people in
Seattle, Washington tend to identify
with a more liberal progressive agenda.
Uh but if you're not, you're made to
feel like almost an outcast. There are a
lot of communities in America that don't
pass those kind of judgments that go
back to those wonderful sense, those
wonderful things of neighborhood values
and neighborliness and people pulling
for each other. And I think those parts
of the country if they were to suddenly
reveal you know be rated as the places
to live. I bet maybe just as we with our
feet started to move you know our
geography a lot of people from north to
south in the last 5 years since co I
think the same thing could happen if
certain parts of America say you're
welcome here. You being the big you
wherever you wherever you come from
you're going to be welcomed loved and
supported. I think those communities
could be the big winners here. Those who
show intolerance, however, I think are
headed down the other side of the
mountain.
Well, I think we'll end it on an
optimistic note because hopefully this
rings true. I hope that everyone has
this optimistic tenor that you and I
have. Adam Goodman, thank you so much.
You are welcome back anytime. I always
appreciate our conversations.
Goes both ways, Britney. Thank you very
much.