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Alex Stein Delivers an Emotional Tribute to Charlie Kirk, Calling Him America's Greatest Citizen
Alex Stein sits down on The Charlie Kirk Show to pay tribute to Charlie Kirk, the man he credits with launching his career after sharing one of his early viral clips years before the two ever met in person. Stein recounts how Kirk gave him repeated second chances, invited him to speak at colleges across the country as a Turning Point USA influencer, and never held his past controversies against him. He breaks down what Kirk's death means for Turning Point USA, for the conservative movement, and for the country, arguing that America lost not just an organizer but a future presidential contender and its most accessible public debater. Stein revisits an old, lighter moment from the show where Kirk laughed off Stein's running bit of impersonating him on college campuses, contrasting that memory with the rawness of processing his death.
Alex Stein Joins The Charlie Kirk Show to Talk About the Dallas Drag Show Stunt
The episode opens by revisiting a viral moment from Alex Stein, the activist known for showing up to school board meetings and public events in costume to confront what he sees as harmful cultural trends. Charlie Kirk introduces him by referencing Stein's attempt to intervene at a drag show event for children in Dallas, Texas, where Stein was turned away at the door.
"The World Is Significantly Worse Today Without Charlie Kirk"
The conversation shifts into Stein appearing on the show to process Kirk's death. Visibly emotional, Stein says he has struggled to find any silver lining in the days since.
"The world is significantly worse today without Charlie Kirk than it was yesterday," Stein says. "Charlie had my back so much, and he didn't have any motivation other than he actually believed in the First Amendment. He believed in the Second Amendment. He believed in the whole entire Constitution."
Stein argues that Kirk's openness and lack of personal scandal made him uniquely difficult to discredit, which he believes is part of why Kirk became a target.
"Charlie had nothing coming to him. He only debated with respect in class," Stein says. "And that is another reason why he's no longer here, because most human beings don't have the self-control and the orator skills that Charlie has."
How Charlie Kirk Gave Alex Stein His Start
Stein traces his own career back to a video he posted after his mother passed away, a satirical heartbeat-bill speech mocking pro-choice talking points that he posted to city council meeting coverage. The clip had only a modest following until Kirk shared it.
"The first person that made it go viral was Charlie," Stein says. "That's what set off the light bulb in my head. I need to kind of culture jam, kind of pretend that I'm the crazy person that I'm trying to make fun of."
Stein says Kirk later brought him on as a Turning Point USA influencer, giving him chances to speak on college campuses despite controversial guests on Stein's own podcast that could have ended the relationship.
"He gave me a second chance when he did not have to," Stein says. "I would not even probably have as big of a following or anything without him."
Replaying a Lighthearted Memory
The show plays an old clip of Stein's recurring bit impersonating Kirk on college campuses, including a moment where a student mistakes the real Kirk for Stein's parody character. In the clip, Kirk laughs off the bit entirely, telling Stein to have his producer Andrew send him the footage.
"Charlie thought it was funny," Stein says, choking up. "Didn't care at all. They didn't have any hard feelings."
"We Are All Victims of This"
Stein describes the footage of Kirk's shooting as the most graphic video he has ever seen, including footage from war zones and other violent events he has previously watched online.
"What we saw was the most graphic video I've ever seen in my life," he says. "We're all victims of this. Just seeing it, witnessing it, and society will never be the same."
He says a planned debate by Tim Pool at Penn State on October 10th has been cancelled, along with his own near-term college appearances through Turning Point USA, though he says he intends to return to campuses eventually rather than let fear stop him.
Comparing the Loss to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor
Stein argues the scale of Kirk's death rivals the country's most significant tragedies.
"This is like 9/11. This is like the pandemic," he says. "Just like major tragic events, just like Pearl Harbor, this is on the same level as that." He contrasts it with the Kennedy assassination, noting that the Zapruder film of that shooting only surfaced publicly later, while Kirk's shooting spread instantly and widely online.
A GoFundMe for Erika Kirk and Her Children
Stein notes that Tucker Carlson started a GoFundMe for Kirk's widow, Erika, and their two children, with entrepreneur and investor Alp Bilkin donating $1 million. Stein says no amount of money could match what Kirk would likely have earned over a lifetime, calling him America's most significant private citizen.
"America literally lost its best citizen," Stein says. "Charlie Kirk is the world's greatest debater. And that's all we need to say."
"Nobody Can Fit in His Shoes"
Pushing back on suggestions that others should step up to fill Kirk's role, Stein insists no one can replace him, crediting Mark Dice, Gavin McInnes, and Kirk as the three people who helped his own career most in its early days.
"Charlie's void will never be filled by anybody, because nobody will come close to being as significantly culturally relevant as Charlie was at his age," Stein says. "Charlie was the ultimate self-starter. Seventeen years old, starting the biggest college organization in the world."
A Moment of Silence
Stein closes the episode by urging viewers not to let the tragedy demoralize them into giving up, framing it instead as motivation to continue Kirk's work.
"Thank you, Charlie, for everything that you did for me, for giving me multiple second chances when you didn't have to," Stein says, before the show ends with a moment of silence.
Video Transcript
viral video over the last couple days. We covered it extensively yesterday of the
drag show for kids in Dallas, Texas. There was one man who actually went to
the or tried to go to intervene and be an adult and do what was actually
necessary. That's Alex Stein, number 99. I think I got that right. He's
hilarious. Alex, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Charlie, you're a legend. Oh my gosh,
you're calling me 99. I feel like I made it. You know, the man, the myth, the legend. Charlie, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.
Your um your reputation precedes you. The thing you when you went to the schoolboard meeting in Dallas, it's one
of the funniest things I've seen in a very long time. And so you went to this drag show, they didn't let you in. So
they're obviously, I don't know, homophobic or something. Like, walk us through this. Well, listen. This is this
is the thing about this drag show. And you know, in the in our culture right now, they're doing the drag queen story time at the public library. Now, that's
disgusting. That's terrible, Charlie. But at least I'm grind so I got no games. Ask yourself
why would I make you lame at all cost?
Yeah. Got to break them. Well, ladies and gentlemen, uh, boys and
girls, uh, welcome to the show. I'm not trying to act like a mess. I'm just emotionally really upset right now,
obviously, because of what happened. And I just I just feel so bad for
Charlie and his family. I never felt so much pain for another person other than
like a family member. And I just feel so bad right now. And I'm not gonna just sit here and cry. I gotta compose
myself. But just watching that and people don't understand that Charlie Kirk could have canceled me a million
times. A million times. I did some very boneheaded things. And uh
he always stuck with me even when I was um not representing Turning Point in the
best light. And I know um everybody's going through it right now. Everybody's
very uh in a lot of pain, especially seeing something as graphic and as
horrible as what we all witnessed. Um, but I just I I I am having trouble right
now finding anything positive about this situation because I know there's people
out there and it's very true that Charlie's legacy will live on forever, but the world is significantly worse
today without Charlie Kirk than it was yesterday.
And Charlie had my back so much and and he didn't and and he didn't have any
motivation other than he actually believed in the first amendment. He believed in the second amendment. He
believed in the whole entire constitution. And the problem with society and the world that we live in is
that we live in such a sick, disgusting world that a person that is truly good
like Charlie Kirk gets taken out because everybody that I meet in politics has
some sort of skeleton in their closet is, you know, whatever. Nobody's
perfect. But the closest thing to perfection when it comes to a human being and
following God's commandments and defending the Constitution, there's no better example in the entire universe
than Charlie Kirk. And when you are perfect like that and when you don't have skeletons in your
closet and you cannot be um blackmailed,
they will publicly execute you in front of thousands of people and they will
make you scared on purpose. And obviously, I'm
not going to get into any of the conspiracy surrounding what's going on with Charlie's horrible, horrific
murder, but there's a lot of questions that have not been answered that we're all struggling with.
And I'm so frustrated with just
this entire situation because I once again, like I was saying
earlier, cannot find a silver lining whatsoever. When you're a 31year-old
man father that has accomplished more than 99.9% of the population
and you're brutally murdered in front of your wife and two kids,
that is a sick world that not even the the most sinister Hollywood script
writer would would write and produce. And that's the current reality in which
we live in. And nothing feels real. Me sitting here and saying Charlie Kirk is dead does not feel real.
Doesn't feel real at all. And everything with Turning Point is,
you know, obviously on hiatus. And that's uh really bad for society. And
that's the problem that all the ignorant people on the internet that are celebrating this, they're ignorant
idiots and their opinion does not matter, but they don't understand the ripple effect that this is going to have
on society. Charlie Kirk would have been president of the United States of America.
No doubt in my mind. No doubt. And he was brutally murdered in front of
the whole entire world. and we don't have any answers. And
the the biggest conservative organization in the world has taken an incredible hit.
And America has taken an incredible hit. And I have zero faith in the federal
government or any of our agencies and even getting justice for this because
it's it's unjustifi you can't justify this. There's no oh corporal punishment.
None of that matters. We literally lost the most influential
non-politician in the world. And you see the outpouring support for
Charlie. Not one person has anything negative to say
because like me, anytime they had a business dealing, personal dealing, fan
encounter with Charlie, he was incredibly respectful. And that's why I'm a little sad because
not trying to make it about me, but I go and I do put myself in situations where
it if if somebody heard, "Oh, Alex got shot at a college event." People would be upset, but they'd be like, "Well, maybe he had it coming to him." Charlie
Kirk had nothing coming to him. He only debated with respect in class.
And that is another reason why he's no longer here because most human beings don't have the self-control and the
orator skills that Charlie has. And he was a threat.
And who he was a threat to, I don't know. But Charlie never did anything
wrong to anybody. To whoever took him out. Took him out because they disagreed
with his message. And nobody should die for having a disagreement
on a particular political viewpoint. And a lot of what happened
in the response to this is meant to upset us. And so it's okay
to feel like this. It's okay to be upset. That's normal. But that was
that was the whole plan was to demoralize us and and make us fight one
another. And there's something going on that uh that is not good in the world.
And we live in a in a dark evil world where being truly good like Charlie
makes you a target for the most evil things. Literally, I'm not even being
physicious like this was satanic and demonic to have this happen in front of the world, in front of his family.
I I just can't even comprehend that this is real.
And uh you know, thinking of Charlie, uh you know, like I want to play a video of
some of our funny encounters, but I just don't even know if it particularly feels right because
You know, I emulate Charlie. You know, I'm older than Charlie. He's younger than me, but I look up to Charlie and
he's once again, a lot of people when you're going around college campuses calling yourself Charlie Kurt and acting
like, you know, an idiot. A lot of people get mad about that. Charlie had a sense of humor. Charlie was actually
cool and funny. He was not It was not a It was
He was authentic. when nobody else is.
And he gave me so many chances for no reason. And I know I keep
repeating that. I don't even know why. I don't even know why Charlie even gave me chances. But I mean, I do know why.
Because Charlie's a good person. Because he's a good human being. That's why. Because he actually defends the Constitution. I do know. But I'm just He
didn't have to do it. Like he just didn't have to do it. But he actually wanted me to grow and become more well
known. And a lot of people don't even realize it was actually Charlie Kirk that kind of motivated me to do what I
do today because I mean it makes me so sad to think about. So, you know, I was going through like a really bad time
obviously after my mom passed away and uh I was going to city council meetings
and uh I uh I was just like I mean some of them were
getting some views and stuff. Not that many views, maybe 10 20,000 views which is good for me. I was pumped at the time.
Um but I went I did this heartbeat bill speech where I said you know um I'm so
mad that you guys are you know outlawing abortion basically because it's you know
only the full it's the most foolproof form of contraception and you know I don't want a bunch of baby mamas and I
was like just saying all these repugnant things that that a pro-choicer says you know clump of cells like all of the
keywords and Uh, it got shared. The first person that made it go viral was
Charlie. Charlie shared it on one of his I think it was like Rumble at first or maybe it was YouTube. I forget. But I
remember that popped off and I was like, "What the hell? This on Charlie Kirks. It kind of got a million
views." I was like, "What?" And that's what set off the light bulb in my head. I'm like, "Man, I need to
kind of do this like kind of culture jam. Kind of like pretend that I'm the crazy person that I'm trying to make fun
of." And so if it wasn't for Charlie, even him not even realizing just the effect
that he had by sharing my content and letting his audience see who I was before he even knew who I was was
instrumental in the little bit of success that I've had.
And Charlie probably don't even know that. And then, you know, uh he decides to
say, "Hey, Alex, I'm going to let you be a, you know, turning point influencer." or I forget what it was called. I mean,
it sounds crazy, but I was so excited to be a part of Turning
Point. And uh I had some controversial people on my podcast and very easily he could have canceled me for that.
And I told him I didn't know about the previous heat and Charlie believed me and he gave me a second chance when he
did not have to. And for that, I was so thankful. And
then, you know, fast forward two, three years later, I'm, you know, planning on
going on my second college tour for Turning Point this semester, which is obviously um not going to happen, but I
will uh go speak at a college again. I don't know when that will be, but I'm not going to let this stop me because I know
that if Charlie would have lived, which we all were praying for him to live, um
Charlie would go back to a college campus because Charlie was fearless. He was bold and uh I want to emulate that
boldness. So I'm not going to be in fear and I'm not going to be scared to go to a college campus. Um
but that's obviously, you know, down the road. That's not right now. And um
yeah, I'm just like filled with so many emotions. Just like one second it's
frustration because of the situation, the second I'm like just hurt for everybody that's
going through this very traumatic event that happened on the day before September 11th,
which is just insane.
um doesn't make a lot of sense. But none of this makes a lot of sense
because when you're Charlie Kirk and you're actually respectful, why would somebody want to hurt you when Charlie's
literally never hurt anybody and never would? Um
and like I just I don't understand how the world
works sometimes and why the good ones get taken out. Like I
don't know how that is God's plan. I do think it is God's plan, but I just don't know why. I can't like I can't
comprehend a guy that gives his life for the Lord and um something so terrible happens. I
I just I'm I I can't wrap my head around it. I really can't. And uh I don't know
if we'll ever get any closure. I know that I will never get any closure because I've Charlie helped me out. But
in person, I think we only had probably about five conversations, but you know, I had some text messages and some we
talked through intermediaries a lot actually through Turning Point. Um, but uh I just can't believe that I'm never
going to get to talk to that guy again and I owe him so much. Um,
I just can't believe it. That just doesn't doesn't feel real. Um,
so yeah, I mean that's what that's what's going on. And I know you guys are obviously feeling, you know, horrible.
Uh, I will say this though,
I think there's like a level of, yeah, we should go after the people that have, you know, tarnishing Charlie's name, but
Charlie wouldn't do that. Like, Charlie wasn't as vindictive as that. Like, so I don't know. Charlie wouldn't want us to
go start a race war. That's the last thing Charlie would want to do. He'd want to talk it out. He would want to
talk it out. But there are people that don't want to talk it out. And uh that's why we all
need to protect ourselves. The world we live in is not the world that our parents grew up in. It's not the world that our parents' parents grew up in.
It's a very dark place. The internet has ruined uh humanity probably for good.
And we can probably we probably are at a inflection point where there's no going
back. And uh this will have a ripple effect that we
will not even be able to quantify because it will be so great. It will be
so big that we have no idea the repercussions. The the fact that Charlie
would have been the president one day and now that's not going to happen. It
changes the entire course of history. And that's not I'm not being dramatic.
That's just a fact. that the world is much worse off without
Charlie Kirk. And yes, his legacy will live on, but just know that
nothing is better today.
Um, and I know that like a lot of people right now are just like me. They're
really frustrated. They're like, "What?" You know what?
Why haven't we caught the killer? How did he do this?
Those answers, I don't know if we're ever going to get um and I'm not going to just sit here and talk about negative
stuff. I'm just trying to be real right now. I can't be anything but but real. Like, I just don't have a lot of faith
that we're going to get the answers that we deserve. So, uh,
yes. I just owe Charlie so much. I would not even
probably have, you know, as big of a following or anything without him. And
the fact that he let me go speak at those campuses. Not trying to make it about me, but I just, you guys just don't understand how good of a person
Charlie is. Like I I just I wish that I could be like Charlie so much so that I
literally emulate him as a character playing Charlie Kurt. Like that what is it? Uh um you know what's the sincerest
form imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Like literally that's what I was trying to do because he was so
successful. He created a blueprint and a style that really can't be emulated
because he has a motor and engine inside of his body that could not be stopped
that I don't have and that nobody has. And for all of the people that are saying, "Oh, well, it's time for other
people to step up and fill Charlie's void." Charlie's void will never be filled by anybody because nobody will
come close to being as significantly culturally relevant as Charlie was at
his age. Nobody. Not nobody. Nobody.
And the world and our country is a weaker country now without people like
Charlie Kirk defending our Constitution. Our liberties, our ability to speak
freely is literally under attack.
And Charlie was the best fighter for the First Amendment
by going to colleges, inviting literally anybody. Do you realize how hard that
is? Do you realize how hard that is to just these people can pick any topic and
they're going to go there and they're going to try to stump Charlie Kirk? He sets himself up
to fail and he always succeeds. You have no idea how challenging that is
just having anybody come up. And yes, a lot of people that he come up there, you know, is not that smart, but trust me,
Charlie has debated a lot of very smart people and he's come out on top. Not
logical arguments that are hard to debate and Charlie always found a way.
And he would want us to continue carrying on his legacy. There's no doubt about that. But uh I just I know that I
can't do that. I know that um nobody can do that because Charlie's
legacy was one of one. He's just such a unique guy that uh it's just uh he's
irreplaceable. Irreplaceable. So, uh I don't know how how
much we should show, but I do want to I guess h I already got emotional. Like I I am just such a wreck right now. And I
feel like I'm going to get even more emotional if we play that video. But I mean, I guess let's let's play it. And uh you
guys can see they edited the Which one? The the uh is this the is that the first
one where the one where the kid got mistook you? Yes, that's one.
Let's play one. Charlie, how are you?
I'm so good to see you all. Everybody calls me the fake Charlie Kirk, you know. How you doing, young man? Dude, I
thought you were Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie. No, you're not. Yes, I am. Charlie Kirk? Yes. Why do you think I have this crew?
Are you actually? Yes. Let's take a selfie. What do you mean? What? Who do you think I am? You're Charlie Kirk? Yes. Turn USA.
Yo. Yo, bro. It's Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is here. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk.
Charlie. Actually, Charlie Kirk. I'm actually Yes, dude. I'm Charlie.
Really? Yes. Dude, take a self. How do you not know this? Why do I have a camera crew, dude? I'm obviously Charlie like gosh
it's bugging me that I'm this well known turning point
Kirk you know I'm speaking at University of uh uh Nevada Reno and uh University
of Washington uh uh in Seattle all because of you. Hilariously I'm speaking at Nevada Reno
so we can kind of like I know I'm trying to follow I'm the fake Charlie Kirk. I follow you around. Who's actually speaking right? I could
go like that. We need to do a sketch like that. So I could go do the Alex Stein day. Yeah. Or No, not even that. But you need
to just like mix me in just and you could just say I couldn't make it and then you really come out. Oh, I think it's great.
I know. Tell Andrew to text me that video where you really Yeah, that one guy one guy really thought I was at him. He's like, "You're
Charlie." I'm like, "Yes, I'm the dollar store version." All right. Well, uh, just want to say, "Hey."
Thanks, man. I know you're on the grind. Thanks, Charlie.
Charlie thought it was funny. Just thought that video was funny. Didn't care at all. They didn't have any hard
feelings. Like
I'm just so sad. So sad. Everybody's so sad. Everybody is. Everybody should be
sad. Everybody should be sad. Everybody should be really, really, really, really, really sad. And if
you're not, you just, you know, it is what it is. You're not dialed in to what's going on in the world. And you
know, there's a saying, ignorance is bliss. And uh sometimes I kind of do
wish it's like the movie The Matrix. Um I think it's like Cyrus, I forget which character, like he decides, but Cipher,
whatever. Cipher. Yeah, sorry. I get to mix up Cipher decides to plug back into the Matrix because he wants to, you
know, he wants to he doesn't want to fight the bots. Like, you know, they don't even have food. They're like in, you know, a ship and, you know, they
can't even like poop, right? He's like, "No, I'd rather plug back into the matrix and have a thick steak and have
sex and, you know, just feel life even though it's fake." Um, and that's kind
of like where we're at right now. Like, the world is so dark and so hard to
comprehend that it would almost be nice to be ignorant so that you wouldn't
comprehend how terrible things really are. But that's not really how we should be. I I don't really think that, but I
just go through a lot of emotions in my head and I'm like, you know, how do I
make uh this sadness go away? And it doesn't seem like uh it will go away for
a while. And obviously, I've had a lot of traumatic things happen to me in the
last few years, losing my mother and losing my best friend Hank Keller. And then even before all that, my best
friend at the time, Clark Gable, or coworker, he was really close. So, I have uh have sadly gotten
desensitized to losing people that I love. But seeing what we saw yesterday
was the most graphic video I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen all kinds of terror videos. I've seen all kinds of
Ukraine war videos. I've seen the Luigi Manion video. I've seen a lot of faces
of death videos, you would classify them as. And what we saw yesterday was the most graphic video I've ever seen in my
life. and I just can't comprehend it. I keep
using that word, but I just still can't wrap my head around it and all the
unanswered questions. And it's driving me uh really uh it's
making me really sad. Making me really sad. And uh yeah, I uh I'm obviously not
going to quit like going out and doing this. I know I said that earlier, but uh it just doesn't feel right um right now
even going to a college right now. Tim and I were supposed to go to Penn State Timool obviously
was supposed to go and debate at Penn State October 10th and we cancelled that.
But I'm not going to cancel all my events. I mean maybe through Turning Point for the time being. I think that's what we need to do. That's the right
thing to do. But I'm just saying down the down the road there will be a time and place where we can go back on a college campus and fight for Charlie's
legacy. And I will say this that until the day that I die, I will always defend
Charlie Kirk's legacy. And I've always had defended Charlie Kirk's legacy. And
there was people on this show that have criticized Charlie that I've had conversations with after the fact that
have all changed their opinion on Charlie because Charlie is a hero. He's an
American hero. He's a martyr. Martyr, whatever. You know what I mean? Martyr.
And he died for our liberties, our freedom. And his shirt
said freedom on it. Like it just doesn't even seem real. like he literally died protecting
freedom of speech.
And that's why I'm going to spend every moment that I can and every opportunity that I get to defend Charlie Kirk. Not
that he needs to be defended at all. I'm just saying because of what he did to me, people need to know that.
I want people to know that I would not even be known if it wasn't for Charlie.
And I will never stop saying that ever. I mean, it was there's about three guys
that really kind of helped me out a lot at the beginning that kind of popped me off was Mark Dice, Charlie Kirk, and
Gavin McKinnus. They kind of all three of those guys helped me out a lot and they didn't need to. They didn't know who I was. And so, till the day I die,
I'll always shout out those guys. Um, but especially Charlie because
no disrespect to Gavin starting the Proud Boys is pretty culturally re relevant and Mark obviously is an
incredible commentator. Uh, Charlie was destined to be president of the United
States of America. And that's a different level of success that very few people could be even
considered for. Have no idea how Camela Harris was even considered for that. It makes no sense. that
Charlie would have actually won his election if he ran and we're never going to have that
opportunity to have him as our president. It just makes me absolutely sick.
And like there's more there's there's more videos we have and we have like stuff from the crime scene, but I don't
even the the illness and the pain in my stomach, the nausea that I'm feeling. I
don't even really want to cover it because I don't want to I've constantly relived it. We all have constantly
relived it because we can't even go on social media without reliving it. and
were basically all victims of, you know,
maybe it was, you know, just one killer, but we're all victims of this.
Just seeing it, witnessing it, and society will never be the same.
And maybe it shouldn't, maybe it shouldn't be the same. Like, I'm not I'm not saying that we should
do a civil war, we should do the opposite of that. Like I was saying, Charlie, be respectful. But like I guess maybe like
this is a message to uh either wake up or plug into the matrix and just be
ignorant and just tune it out and just kind of be like, you know, a debt
slave your whole life and just don't have any belief in God and, you know,
just uh have a meaningless life. But Charlie would not have wanted that. He would
want society to know that your life is important and your life means a lot. And
Charlie at 31 years old's life has meant more than anybody could ever imagine.
And I just am really at a loss for words when it
comes to the constant feelings of uh despair and
then and then you know anger and then fear
and and just the overall kind of like you know there's like certain truths you have to accept in
life like one of them is like that life is not fair. You have to accept that or else you'll go crazy. You will go crazy
if you don't understand that life is not fair. And there's going to be people that work less hard than you, that are more successful than you. There's going
to be people that catch breaks that they don't deserve. That's life. But when you see a person get taken out like Charlie,
life is so egregiously unfair. It makes it almost unbearable.
And that's the struggle that people are going through, especially young people that Charlie is trying to reach out to, is that they have that unbearable stress
and anxiety because they cannot afford a home. They can't afford to go to
college. They got to go to into debt to go to college for a job that they're not going to get unless they're the right
color. And these are universal truths. This isn't racism. This is just true facts.
And sometimes facts hurt people's feelings. I think that's Ben Shapiro's thing. I don't even want to talk about
him right now. But these are hard truths that Charlie
told that people needed to hear in order to help guide them in the right direction.
And now they will not get that advice. They will not get that civil debate to
let them form their own opinion. And
we will never know what the world would have been like
if yesterday didn't happen the way it did.
I mean, I would even go so far as to say, and I don't want to
get cancelled for this or anything, but I don't know if Trump's presidency can
even be successful anymore. And I'm not blaming Trump. I'm just saying to lose a
person like Charlie. This is like 911. This is like the pandemic. As this is a terrible,
unthinkable tragedy that will affect the course of history
significantly. Just like 911,
just like major tragic events, just like Pearl Harbor, this is on the same level as that.
I would even argue that this is possibly potentially be more impactful than some
of those terrible tragedies because I don't know if a future president died in 911. I don't know. I
don't know. We'll never know, right? But I do know that a future president died yesterday.
I just
I mean I just I just makes me so sick.
Doesn't feel real. I don't know. I don't know if the chat's probably liking this episode. Just sitting here crying the whole time. But uh I don't know what to
do, guys. I'm really uh just really really hurt. And uh a lot of opportunities that Charlie gave me
unnecessarily. Like I I just feel so bad that I can't thank him.
Like thanks. You have no idea. It's weird. It's weird. But I'm not trying to make it about me. It's not about me.
It's not about me. And I'm just personally um upset because like I'm
looking at all the big picture stuff about how we lost a future president, how the world's never going to be the
same. But like I can't help but think in the back of my head my personal losses
that a guy that thought I was funny, liked me, let me go represent his organization at colleges all across the
country would have been great if he's president. He likes me. Well, how does that not help me? My life is significantly worse.
And all of our lives are. I'm just saying. My life is worse.
All of our lives are worse. All of our lives are worse. I just
can't. I just can't. Uh I don't know. People are like in the
chat, I should continue his legacy. Guys, I can't continue Charlie's legacy. I mean, there's just no I mean, I we'll
go and always defend Charlie and we'll always talk about him in the most
positive way possible, but I'm just saying those are shoes that I don't fit in. Okay? It's like a baby trying to put
on cowboy boots. Their dad's cowboy. I can't fit in his cowboy boots. I cannot
I cannot fit in his shoes. A lot of people can't fit. Nobody can fit in his shoes. And even if you put 20 people
trying to finish you, like that's not the same. It's not the same. The world will never be the same.
And I stopped saying this because our words have power
and when we say something
could potentially happen, we almost give it the power to happen. And uh
so I want to be careful with with what I say, but um uh
we always talk about how this is a war and we talk about how, you know,
once we can't win with our words, people were Charlie even said it, they're going to use violence.
So even though we knew that this was a possibility,
nobody really thought that this would ever happen like this.
Nobody really thought that because we are we're naive. We're naive. We're
like, you know, society's bad. These people are shooting up schools and this and that. This stuff happens, but it's not going to happen to me. Not going to
happen to Charlie Kirk. Not going to happen to this. like and then when it happens
you you just you can't calculate that possibility being real and that's where
we're at. I'm in the uh stage of um disbelief. I mean we all saw it so I
know it's real but I just well every time I say that Charlie Kirk has passed away at 31 years old it doesn't feel
real. feels like it's a sketch or something like I mean it's just uh it's a really really
bad thing and hard thing to say and something I never would have expected I would have to say. I mean
the idea that I'm older than Charlie and I was going to I mean just just I would
have thought that Charlie Kirk would have been president and nobody would even have the motivation to do something
to him like that. Like I I didn't think that type of evil existed. Even the most person on the most hormones and stuff, I
figured they'd just be like, "Oh, I hate you." I didn't think that they would plan a public assassination for Charlie
because Charlie was he was a strong conservative, but he wasn't far right.
He wasn't alt-right. He was uh pro-America. That's what he was. So his
views were not that incendiary whatsoever. The fact that he's pro- life, nobody really cares. Like nobody I
mean being pro-life is not controversial enough for somebody to kill you. Like it
just there has to be more to it. I just don't understand why somebody would want to kill somebody for wanting to protect the lives of babies cuz everybody knows
in their heart that protecting babies is good. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows that when a drunk driver, you
know, hits a pregnant mom and kills the baby and the mom, they get charged with the double homicide. Like everybody knows that. Charlie used that argument.
People know that, right? But they'll just go argue, you know, pro-choice because they're just sick people. But I
don't know anybody that could ever look at Charlie or listen to him for longer than 15 seconds and have any ill will
towards him. Even all the influencers that all follow him around, they're all
very sad and they should be because Charlie was a beacon of light. Whether
you agreed with him politically or not, you knew that he was coming with the best intentions and he was going to be incredibly honorable. And it's hard to
debate a person that is incredibly honorable, incredibly good, has nothing to hide, and can just lay all their
cards on the table like Charlie did. It's it's almost impossible to beat that type of person in a debate. And that's
why nobody beat Charlie in a debate. And that's why somebody took him out. And
it's just a a lesson that um when you're actually good,
when you're actually a moral person and you actually
you're super famous, but you want to give people access to you because you feel that's that's your humble duty,
which Charlie did not have to do. You see all these other people, they don't like to go. I mean, a lot of people have
gone and done college debates, but I'm saying Charlie was so incredibly accessible. Anybody that wanted to go
debate him could go to his event, stand in line early enough, and get an opportunity. And like,
I don't know. I don't know what much more I need to say about it. I'm kind of just repeating myself. I do know that uh
Tucker Carlson started a Gibson go. I think it was Alp donated $1 million if
you want to support Erica and uh his two young children. Alp put in a million
bucks. Gibson go. I think you type in Erica Kirk. Uh so yeah, I mean once again that is no
disrespect to Tucker. Charlie would have been a billionaire one day. So I mean
money is I mean, no amount of money that we could give his family would have been close to
the amount of money that Charlie could have earned on his own. So,
and Charlie would have had more kids and Charlie just I was just don't I'm just
America lost its greatest private citizen yesterday.
And for that matter, as a private citizen, he's better than all these other politicians, too. So America literally lost its best citizen
yesterday. So just like when Michael Jordan retires
from the Bulls or Tom Brady retires,
Charlie Kirk is the world's greatest debater. And
that's all we need to say. And we just need to honor his legacy. And I know that I'll honor his legacy. and I'll do
whatever I can to always defend him, which I always have. So, honestly, I
feel guilty enough that I haven't defended him hard enough. I wish I would had when I had opportunities, I wish I
would have defended him a million times, even harder, even though I have always defended him. I just
I really wish I would have let people know how much he helped me while he was still alive. And even if I didn't tell him personally, maybe heard it through
the grave fine. Like, I would have liked him to know that. I would have liked him to know that.
So, a lot of people are going through it. Uh,
I guess we all should just kind of let the pain come upon us.
It's okay if you've had other trauma in your life and you're like, man, this almost feels worse than that trauma.
That's not unusual because what we all experienced yesterday was unlike
anything that's ever happened in history before that. This was much different than the JFK assassination with the
Zruder film coming out later. Like this was totally different. This is the most graphic video I have ever seen or
humanity has ever seen. Ever.
the juxtaposition of a man with a microphone speaking in front of a crowd taken out like that. There will just
never be a video as graphic or as horrible as that. So if you feel immense
pain and sadness, that is the normal default feeling when you witness and experience something like that.
So let's not beat each other up. Uh, let's just try to find
I mean I don't even know if we should look for happiness right now because that's you know
no like the world's let us let's mourn Charlie let's feel let's feel the sadness let's feel it and let's uh
experience it and then you know let's use that motivation like I remember
you know when my mom passed away I would
I walk into that hospital I so scared every day. The nurses were not nice and
it just was a bad experience. And I was like, I got to do it. I don't have a choice. You know, I got to go visit my mom. They only had certain hours I could
go visit. I could only go there for four hours a day. So, I'd have to leave and come back. And
uh I remember walking through that hall, the halls of the hospital, and like
like it just didn't feel real. And that's uh that's kind of how this
feels. Like it just doesn't feel real. But what I learned from that terrible tragedy is after the fact that there
would be situations where I would be in that I didn't want to be in and I would just go back to the
horrible tragedy that I had experienced and I realized that I I made it through that there's nothing that we will face
that will be as tragic. So, it gave me, I guess, this
confidence to not even worry about the next challenge because no challenge is going to be as
tough as that. And I think that what happened with Charlie is going to be a similar thing for society. It's like
society will never be challenged as hard as we were challenged yesterday with what we saw.
And we can either let it eat us away and fight one another
or we use it as a motivating tool to go out and carry on Charlie's legacy and
make the world a better place and fight for what Charlie would have fought for
because they don't have any other choice.
like vote or die, fight or die. So don't let this horrible tragedy
demoralize you enough to quit. Use this as a rallying cry
to understand that life is incredibly short. Life is tragically unfair.
And that it's up to you to really take the reigns because
nobody else is going to do it for you. And Charlie Kirk was the ultimate self-starter. 17 years old, starting the
biggest college organization in the world. I mean, just sounds impossible. Literally sounds.
When I was 17 years old, I mean, I was like backing my car into, you know, people in parking lots. Like I was not
starting a conservative organization that would influence multiple presidential elections. And then don't
forget all the smaller elections that they influenced. So yeah, today's a bad day.
No silver lining. The world is significantly worse with Charlie.
Nothing is okay. We will all be okay, but the world is not okay. And it's a
much darker place. And we can never go back to before 9/11. And we can never go back to before
Charlie Kirk. So the the world that we were living in yesterday is not the same
world that we're living in today. We have to understand that.
And don't let this be a motivating factor to give up because Charlie
wouldn't have given up. And uh we do know one and it's not even
a silver lining because it was guaranteed anyway. But Charlie is obviously in heaven obviously. I mean he supported
the church and churches so much that uh the big guy upstairs definitely had to
take care of Charlie. He obviously needed Charlie or obviously Satan had to take him out because Charlie's too good. I don't know why Charlie's not here, but
I know that he is in a better place. The world is worse off, but uh Charlie
is not in pain. He's not suffering. And he is with the Almighty probably calling
shots, you know. And uh yeah, so
we'll uh we'll just see where we go from here. Uh, my life is
drastically going to be different the next few months. But, uh, I'm not worried about that. But, uh, I'm worried
about you guys. I mean that. I am worried. I am worried because I know that I'm a mess right now. I don't want you guys to all be messes like me. And
we have to honor Charlie. Uh, he would probably he would definitely be making fun of me for crying. I think uh Charlie
probably uh, you know, he's he's a real man. and he probably wouldn't have cried on camera, but a lot
of people have. And that's uh that's because a lot of people all had great experiences with Charlie Kirk and nobody
had a bad experience that ever got to personally meet him or interact with him. And that's why we're crying. That's
why we're so sad. And he touched the lives of people that Charlie doesn't even realize. Not just people that are
Turning Point chapter members. So many other kids that we have no idea that
were affected in a positive way by Charlie.
And um yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm repeating
myself. So, I think I'm just going to wind things down and uh say this has
been uh one of the worst weeks ever. The world is uh a much worse place.
I hope Donald Trump can help fix this. I don't know if he can. I don't know if
anybody can. So, uh, yeah, it's our duty to fight,
not give up, and to emulate Charlie. I mean, I emulated him literally.
And now I need to emulate him even more. But, uh, nobody can replace a supernova
like Charlie Kirk. And I just one last thing want to say, thank you, Charlie,
for everything that you did for me, for giving me multiple second chances when you didn't have to. And uh I'm really
upset that uh we we couldn't have done more stuff together.
I'm really upset about that. It's not about me. I'm just selfishly I'm really upset about that,
too. I just wish I could have done more with Charlie. But uh yeah, I'm happy for the
experiences that I did have with Charlie. Very grateful for all of them. He was a very busy guy, very busy changing the world for a better place.
So, yeah. So, uh we're just gonna end the show. We're gonna do a moment of silence. Obviously not a freestyle
finale. nothing to freestyle about tonight, but uh yeah, we're going to uh take a moment of
silence for All right.
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