Andrew Bustamante Breaks Down the Charlie Kirk Murder and Unanswered Questions from CIA Perspective

When you look at that, shooty, what's the stuff where you with your former CIA had on go? That's a bit weird. >> We still don't know what the motive was. Anything is a possibility, but what are the probabilities that it played out the way that we're being told? It doesn't make sense. He had a plan to to succeed. That's [ __ ] weird, man. The CIA employs tens of thousands of people who labor on mostly unglamorous duties like monitoring foreign media and transcribing very dull conversations. But his secret operations on foreign soil carried out by bonafide spies are riveting to almost everybody. Journalists, whistleblowers, congressional inquiries have surfaced many chilling details about the CIA's meddling over the decades. And the dawn of new media has posed a new challenge for an agency whose work is definitionally secretive. Spies who go on podcast. Andrew Bimente is one of such formerly secret agent. His insights have been viewed by tens of millions of people around the world. Despite this, he says he plans to completely disappear in the next couple of years. Should be easy for a spy, but not before promoting his new book, Shadow Cell. And some might think getting a haircut. I wouldn't. I like your hair. Uh Andrew, great to see you again and to meet you in person. Actually, we we've only ever done this down the line before. So great to have you in the studio here. Um, I want to come to your fascinating book and every time I interview I'm I'm in enthralled by what you say about it all. But first question, the Charlie Kirk murder has like everything like this in modern times now led to a plethora of conspiracy theories raging around. And I had uh Rob O'Neal who was a Navy Seal who killed Osama bin Laden on last week on Monday saying that he's there were a lot of questions he felt just didn't quite stack up with it. Everything you've seen about the shooter, what happened, the fact it was a single bullet. Um the way he was able to put together his gun, dismantle his gun, get away, and so on. The the weird text messaging with his transitioning boyfriend and so on. Um what do you make of it all? Do you think there are unanswered questions with this? Does it make sense to you? >> Oh, absolutely there are unanswered questions. It doesn't make sense to me completely. And I think that's why there are conspiracy theories that are popping up around the shooting. >> The problem is that like so much of what happens in the real world, there are areas that are protected, areas of information that are not available to the public. So, the public doesn't get a full picture. You were just talking about the the emergence of new media. Part of the the un unexpected or possibly uh unproductive side effect of that new media is that we now know more of what we don't know. >> Yes. >> Whereas in the past when we didn't when we didn't know, we didn't even realize we had a gap of information. >> What is the stuff when you look at that shooty? What's the stuff where you with your former CIA had on go that's a bit weird? So, first of all, the fact that there's really no significant new information since about September 19th, that's [ __ ] weird, man. Right? Like, how how how is this so significant that we're having national >> uh days of silence for Charlie Kirk? How is it so significant that it's making international media day after day, but we can't get new information? We still don't know what the motive was. We're having people like like the uh like the transgender roommate lover disappear and and nobody's talking to him and there doesn't seem to be a large manhunt. >> No, I don't think there's an autopsy report yet. I don't think we've had an autopsy. >> Exactly. So, this is information that doesn't seem unreasonable >> to share and yet it's not being shared. So, the question becomes why? There's lots of legitimate reasons why it wouldn't be shared yet, >> but that's not good enough for us with our current appetite. >> From a from a technical point of view about the shooting itself, for a 22-year-old who's not military trained, to be able to get up on that roof, put together a gun, then dismantle it, fire off one shot with a bolt-action rifle that belonged to his grandfather reportedly, and and get away. But to be able to assassinate somebody in that clinical manner, does that seem likely or is there something we don't know about what this kid was doing before all this? >> We look at everything in intelligence through a lens of probability. >> Uh anything is a possibility, but what are the probabilities that it played out the way that we're being told? So when I think of his age and I think about the fact that he grew up in a hunting family and I think about the fact that he was familiar with that particular weapon, he was familiar with the campus. He had what we call the advantage of area familiar uh area familiarity, area fam. >> He had all of those benefits that Charlie and Charlie's team did not have. Plus, of course, he had the element of surprise on his side. >> But when it comes to the technical elements of being able to handle that weapon, I tend to agree more with Rob. It it doesn't make sense how unless he spent hours in premeditation >> assembling and disassembling his gun. He already had his ingress and his egress route planned. He already knew where he was going to stash the weapon. He had a plan to to succeed. His dad is the reason his plan to disappear ultimately didn't succeed. And that was obviously a variable he didn't account for. So that is it possible that he prepared >> to the extent that he needed to prepare to run such an effective operation? Yeah, it's possible, but is it probable that he did it alone? It's not really probable that one 22-year-old would be able to figure all of that out >> and to fire one shot and be successful in your mission. >> Yeah. I mean, arguably, you can see that he hadn't trained for the the shot distance because while he did shoot Charlie in a fatal location, it's unlikely he was aiming for that specific location. So, there are certain elements that highlight he was amateur as a prof as a professional killer. a a a Navy Seal like Rob wouldn't make a mistake like that, wouldn't make wouldn't see that tumble and not predict it, >> right? I mean, Rob had a lot lot of questions, but but one of which was just the amount of time it took him, like you said, to assemble and dissemble. He said he didn't think he could do it in the time that they believed this boy did it. Um, and it's interesting because the only the only equivalent kind of story in the last few years where there are even more unanswered questions is the young person who tried to assassinate Donald Trump. >> Absolutely. from a similar roof, from a similar distance about whom we seem to know absolutely nothing. I mean, even the guy on the golf course, we know a bit more because he defended himself and everything else. But that original shooter remains just so weird. Like this kid had no digital footprint, nothing. from a CIA point of view when you encounter that where someone tries to assassinate the president of the United States or a very high-profile figure and when you dig into it that for a young person to have no digital footprint whatsoever that to me is very very odd. >> Absolutely. There's hidden information there without a doubt. It's funny my my mind worked very similar to yours peers. When I started to to research the elements that made up the Charlie Kirk assassination, I immediately was triggered to look back at Thomas Krooks, the one who who tried to kill Donald Trump when he was on the the campaign in Butler, Pennsylvania. >> The parallels are very, very powerful, very humbling, right? You're talking about similar age groups. You're talking about high levels of intelligence. you're talking about a a level of uh emotional IQ that made them actually well-liked in their community, right? So, no one expected that they would have this this killer instinct inside them. And arguably, maybe they didn't. They they certainly were able to carry out something dangerous, but could they have done it alone? We don't know. >> But even now, when you research Thomas Krooks, even now there's still no motive of assignment. >> This is nothing. >> There's still no public information. Now, the person he tried to assassinate of all the people in the country, if you're trying to kill the president, you should be an open book to the American people, unless there's something you don't want the American people to know. >> Well, and of course, it goes right back to JFK and and the unanswered questions there and everything else. And, you know, I had uh uh I've had a lot of people on talking about the JFK files, and you just think, will we ever find out? But do you think we ever will? Will we ever know for sure >> in the world of intelligence? In my experience, when there's something that is damaging to the idea of the American government, the idea of the structure that we have, uh, the spec, the specificity of how we carry out our operations, when something is is butdding up against those areas of information, we'll never know because it's not in the government's best interest to actually be transparent with the people. It's in the government's best interest to tailor and cultivate what's released and that includes cultivating and ta tailoring what isn't released. >> I had Oliver Stone on the filmmaker with his son uh last week talking about the RFK assassination and how he was certain they've done a documentary about this. He he was certain that was a CIA inside job. Did you ever hear anything about that when you were >> the the RFK assassination is another interesting example of where information is missing >> but and what's left doesn't stack up. The the pre201 CIA pre 911 CIA is a very different beast than the CIA I grew up in. And and one of the things that they teach us when we go through our onboarding is how different and kind of wild west unsupervised uh very reckless that previous CIA was. It was born of the time at the time it was needed and it was kind of ignored for you know 30 years before any significant uh oversight was applied to it. So could they have been involved? I I don't put anything beyond what CIA without oversight could have done especially considering it only falls under the office of the executive which just implies that at some point in time it would want to shape the office of the executive and that is exactly why JFK is that JFK assassination is so interesting. Whenever I interview people like you, the most popular response from viewers is, "There's no such thing as former CIA." And that even if I say to you, "Are you still in the CIA?" Well, why would you tell me anyway? Gold is up by more than 40% in value since the beginning of this year. And today's sponsor, Burge Gold, is marking Veterans Day with a tantalizing offer. Buy gold, get free silver. For every $5,000 purchased from Burj Gold this month, they will send you a free silver round which commemorates the Gadston and American flags. Burj Gold helps you to own gold by converting an existing IRA or a 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. 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CI CIA is not my friend. They are very publicly uh not my friend. I get letters from them all the time reminding me to get off screen because I have no business being on screen and and threatening me with legal action if I overstep the boundary of my secrecy agreement. So people don't see that part. They just see me on camera. >> Your your book, they tried to block it for a while. Excuse me. Um but you finally got it unblocked. What what was the kind of stuff which they were objecting to and how much of that in the end has made has made the final edit? >> Yeah, absolutely. So, my book Shadow Cell that was just released in September, um, thankfully we are a New York Times bestseller. I'm very excited about that. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you very much. The entire manuscript was finished in 2021 and submitted to CIA in the in late 2021. And then in 2022, the whole world changed. You had conflicts creep up between the United States and China. You of course had Russia invade Ukraine. You had new uh uh brinksmanship with Iran and North Korea. And as a result of that, CIA deemed the entire book a classified document >> from beginning to end. The premise of the story, the operation itself, the individuals involved, even the even the number of cases inside the book we go through detailed the number of officers that were in our cell, the number of cases that the officers managed. CIA wanted none of it released. They they deemed it all classified information. My wife and I understood as former CIA officers what is actually the definition of classified information and it took us three years of kind of legal back and forth with >> and out of interest for those who don't really understand this what what is the kind of overarching definition of it. >> So the the definition of of human classified intelligence is that it has to be information that exists on a document that has classification markings. That's what makes it classified. there's this catchall where they can say, "Oh, if you if you take what you said, it implies enough information, but that requires a court to come in and say that the court agrees or disagrees with what CIA is saying." So, my wife and I knew that what was in the book was not word for word, verbatim off of any classified document. So, we knew that it wasn't going to withstand that accusation. But, it took us three years because CIA went through different directors. CIA has its own political issues. Of course, CIA is a one-way street. you write to them, they may or may not write you back right away. So, it was a lot of back and forth that ultimately only won. We only won because we threatened them with a First Amendment lawsuit. And when we threatened a First Amendment lawsuit with a platform of my size online, that was when they decided to come back and say that it's releasable. >> Well, I'm thrilled the book got done. It's an insider account of the new spy war. Who right now has the best spies in the world? Which country? The best is a difficult word to answer because you have to think about what >> who are the most effective. >> The most effective I would argue are MSAD because MSAD has a very narrow threat against it, right? It really is only looking at Iran and Iranian proxies that threaten its eradication. That gives it the benefit of only having a small group of enemies rather than the whole world being an intel an intel target. It also justifies their very uh very aggressive, very innovative actions all over the region because they're fighting for their literal survival. Whereas the United States as the largest economy, everybody's an enemy and there's a whole lot of intel in intel that we need to collect. So it makes us less effective compared to MSAD. >> How did the Mossad not know that October the 7th, we're two years on now. How did it not know given how obviously brilliantly expert it is at intelligence? How could it have been that the biggest failure of its intelligence ever happened right on its doorstep? >> It's definitely fruitful grounds for conspiracy. In my experience, it's very very akin to 9/11. And I think when people make comparisons of October 7 to 911 here in the United States or in the United States, when they make those comparisons, there are there are areas that don't line up, but there are areas that absolutely do line up. And the reason 9/11 happened in both classified and unclassified channels is because of a lack of coordination and communication that that would have prevented the attack. I think we see even now again in public information the same thing is true about October 7th. It was avoidable. It was preventable. But for whatever reason the different groups that were involved because imagine you had the MSAD collecting foreign intel. You had Shinbet managing internal security and then you had the actual military controlling the border. All three of them most likely they report in different channels. They use different code words. They use different rules and regulations. You can see it becoming a bureaucratic kurluffle that a more nimble enemy could have taken. >> The bit I don't understand is that Hamas seem to have spent 20 years building one of the biggest tunnel networks in the whole region. By far the biggest probably. and the MOSAD either didn't know or didn't understand what they may have be planning and why they needed to do this. I mean, again, they can take out 3,000 guys from Hezbollah with pages that they've worked on for years. They can surgically strike into Iran with its nuclear scientists and nuclear science and so on with incredible precision. But they didn't work out that if you're building hundreds of miles of underground tunnels that there may be something going on here. >> One of the challenges in any kind of intelligence assessment is prioritization of threats and then also understanding the potential or probable timing of an attack. For all we know, MSAD had an assessment that there was going to be some pivotal attack on the 18th of October. or maybe they had an evidence or an assessment that said it would happen on the 3 of October and it didn't happen. >> We don't know exactly what they were looking at. All we know is what happened on October 7th. >> The building of tunnels has lots of explanations. The building of tunnels is also an effective tool for a for a less threatening enemy. And I would argue Hamas, as threatening as they are, is still less threatening than a formal military. They use things like tunnels because it's something they can do that avoids imagery collection. It avoids uh airplane reconnaissance. It avoids pretty much anything unless there's a seismic a seismic intel source, a mazent intel source nearby. >> You've warned that America is about to fall. Uh you talk of empires falling from within and you've outlined a lot of internal weaknesses you think are contributing to this. Just to summarize that, why do you fear that this may be the case? When I talk about the decline of the United States, I want to make sure people understand it's it's not something I'm comparing to Rome. And many people try to make the comparison. It's not the Roman Empire. >> For the United States, we are the world's only superpower. So, if we decline financially, it changes everything. If we decline, if we decline financially, it changes what we can spend on military. It changes what technology we can invest in. It changes the value of our dollar and the value of our of our property of our stock market to foreign countries. So any decline in our power, our status, our economy is significant. It's even more significant when you consider that our enemies are increasing. China is on the rise. So now not only are we decreasing in speed, but they are increasing in speed, which closes the gap between the two. When two countries reach par, when they reach equality, that's the worst situation for everybody. I understand that there are people out there who want equality and want fairness and that's [ __ ] They don't actually want that because if they think critically about it, they'll understand that when parity is reached, conflict is inevitable. So, as the United States slows down, as we lose money, lose industry, lose trading partners, lose influence around the world, and other countries increase, then we're just getting closer to significant cont. 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And it's a complete unknown to all of us. We don't we won't know what AI is capable of until it executes it faster than we can even imagine it. >> And by then it's too late. >> And by then it's too late. And that's just another perfect example of, you know, the decline of what we have >> because we are losing our focus on what has always made us great, right? The United States has always been great because of a middle class. It's always been great because of its innovation. It's always been great because it's able to lead through freedoms. And there's there's challenges to all of those values that are impacting us significantly. >> All right. Come on. You're you're president of the United States. Top three things you do to stop the the decline. So, uh, I actually wouldn't do things that much differently than Donald Trump. I see a lot of what Donald Trump is doing, and I understand why it's aggravating and frustrating to people, but I also see the strategic value of it. We need to slow down China's ability to create a modern >> technological economy. Because if that that is how we became the world's superpower and if China creates an effective >> I agree >> technical empire, >> then there's at least competition between the two of us economically. So all the trade conflict and all the everything he's doing with with tariffs is really just to slow down China's economic rise. And if we can bury them in their own problems, then that's exactly what they're doing to us, trying to bury us in our own problems. So I really support what he's doing there. I don't I don't think that we need to be worrying so much about the war on drugs. I understand the consequences of the fentanyl epidemic. I don't think that it's something that needs government resources at this point in time. I think those government resources could go into other things. We also have to fix the economy without a doubt. Our currency is losing value. Not just because we're we're creating more of it, but because we're making it less attractive to the world. When we froze Russian assets as part of the Ukraine Russia conflict, all that did was send a message to all foreign countries to get their money the [ __ ] out of US banks because otherwise we're going to take it if we don't like you. That was a major mistake by the Biden administration. We need to find a way to woo that stuff back. The president's a big job and they always end up with gray hair. So, I'm not in a rush. Um, you are planning to lead the country in the spring of 2027. Why so specific on the timing? Where are you going to go? And apparently you're going to change your extremely iconic appearance. >> I'm hoping that at some point the message is more powerful than the than the hair, but I guess we'll test it this December. Uh, so the the specificity around the time frame is really because I'm trying to show people the power of transparency. We live in a world where influencers are not who they are in person >> as they are on screen. And one of the things I've always tried to do is make sure that I'm very real, very, very genuine both on camera and off camera. And I am who I am. I've been complimented on that point by the people who have met me. But when I talk about leaving in the spring of 27, it's because that is really when we are planning. We had planned for the spring of 2030 and then we brought it up to the spring of 26 and then we found out that that was just not possible. That's real life. People plan to move all the time. Um, but the reason for our moving is only partially tied to the United States and the United States's turmoil. Yes, the United States is going through what I call its own adolescence. It's puberty. It's deciding what it wants to be when it grows up. It's deciding what it's going to gender identify as, >> right? But in addition to that, my children are are eight and 12 and their children in that United States. in the United States where everybody's politicized, they can't go to school without having people paring >> propaganda at them from one of the two extremes. And that's it's difficult to counter that that >> Do you know where you're going to go? >> We have three really solid ideas and then we're using a lot of other noise to distract people from knowing >> you. You won't tell anybody where you end up. >> I'll I will text you if you want to know. Yeah. >> Actually, I'd rather not know because then if it ever gets out, you can't blame me. Um it's it's really interesting. I I one of the other things I found fascinating um about your book is is you talk about how you taught yourself to lie when training as an aspiring intelligence officer. And this week you actually analyze an interview from one of my shows, an interview with the actor Army Hammer when I asked him if he's a cannibal. So let's take a look at the clip that you analyzed. Three of them. You just live to obey me and be my slave. You said to her, "I will own you as my soul, my brain, my spirit, my body, would you come and be my property till you die? If I wanted to cut off one of your toes and keep it with me in my pocket, so I always had a piece of you in my possession." Uh, I'm 100% a cannibal. I want to eat you. That's scary to admit. I've never admitted that before. It was that stuff which obviously blew off around around America and around the world. >> Army Hammer, I'm a cannibal in your own words. >> Right. Let's first of all address that elephant in the room. Are you a cannibal? >> No. You know what you have to do to be a cannibal? You have to have actually eaten someone. So, >> have you have you ever eaten any human flesh? >> No. >> Not a question I thought I'd ever ask them. >> Not a question I'd ever thought I'd have to answer, by the way, but no. Never. >> What do you feel that a large swave of the public just think Army Hammer is a cannibal? >> If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. >> So, was he telling me the truth? >> No. He was lying to you. Really? >> Absolutely. And and >> but he hasn't actually eaten human flesh, though. >> We don't know what he personally identifies as cannibalism. We don't know whether it's related to consuming energy. Maybe it's biting. Maybe it's drinking blood. Who has any idea except Army, right? >> But the thing that's so fascinating to me, and I'm I'm going to >> kiss your ass for just a second. Your questions were so [ __ ] good, man. Your questions were so good through a lens of specifically being able to identify deceptive behavior in the target. I'm guessing it's just come from years of practice. I'm I'm guessing you didn't practice your questions before you sat with him. But the one that's the most powerful to me is you asked him how he felt. >> Yeah. >> That's called in in strategic espionage. That's called a feelings question. When you ask a feelings-based question, it immediately gives you a window into whether the person is using their their reactive brain to answer honestly or their creative brain to come up with a fitting solution. >> The indicators in that in that response from him, not only to that question, >> I'll tell you what, let's watch it again and as we go, point out the things that if you were a CIA agent right now and you were watching this, what raised red flags? Let's talk over as we watch. >> You got it. >> Three of them. you just live to obey me. And >> so right there's the first thing you see him fiddling with his water and fiddling with his sleep. He is physically showing his discomfort. And you just brought up that you're going to talk about this topic that for sure he knows is coming. >> So he's getting dry mouth from the nervousness. That's why he's drinking his water >> body. Would you come and be my property till you die? If I >> He's taking a sip of water as he prepares. Now watch what happens next. He's going to start kinetically actually swiveing back and forth in his chair. >> His nervous energy is actually building up. He knows he has to prepare a story. He has to prepare to react in a way that's been that's been choreographed. So, you see the shaking head and the shaking in the in the in the uh uh the full body in the swivel chair. You can also tell by the way his arms are being held. He's crossed his arms underneath the table. That's a closing body posture. A closing body posture demonstrates that you're feeling threatened. And he's leaning back to give himself distance. These are subconscious indicators that show he is not preparing to tell you the truth. He is preparing to tell you some other version of the truth. >> No, >> you know what you have to do to be a cannibal. You have >> he didn't answer your question. So here here's a very interesting technique because he responded to your question with a question. It wasn't enough to just say no, I am not a cannibal. Wasn't enough to just say no and I reject these claims. Instead, he uses almost levity or humor to counter your question with another question. And and that's an escape technique whenever somebody is feeling under the pressure. >> Not a question I thought I'd ever ask him. >> Not a question I'd ever thought I'd have to answer, by the way, but no. >> And even through that levity there, you still see him keeping the distance and keeping the closed posture. >> Think Army Hammer is a cannibal. >> There's the feeling question. And you could see how long it took him to respond compared to the pace that he was responding to your previous question. So interesting. I mean, it's it's it's it's body language. You get trained, you know, it's an art form, right, to work it out. Funny enough, when I've done thousands of interviews, I can normally tell when I think people are lying. You can pick it up. You just know when people are lying and you can tell some, but but then sometimes I'm really surprised. Like, I've been with some very skilled liars who just pull the wool over my eyes and if they're really good at it, you know, I defy almost even you >> to work it out. >> It's true. Skilled liars are are a rarity. I would argue, but when you come across them, it makes you second guess yourself. >> They kind of they tend and I've interviewed genuine psychopaths for crime series. I've gone into prisons in America where, you know, terrible people and they're genuine psychopaths. So, they're incapable of guilt or remorse or empathy or any of those things. And they they're fascinating people to interview um because they can commit appalling crime and then just two seconds later it's like nothing happened. >> Yeah. They can eat dinner or go to sleep. >> Yeah. They just have no none of those feelings, but they're very difficult really to to sort of pin down at all because they don't really understand any sense of shame or guilt or anything. So there's no there's none of the sweating going on of the because they don't feel that they're not feeling it. >> Um so I found that interesting. So I want to end by I'm going to give you three statements about me. Two of these are true >> and one is a lie. >> I get this wrong all the time. >> You got to find the lie. Okay. >> I got married to Paris Hilton in a Las Vegas chapel. I was voted the UK's sexiest man. I once flew in a fighter jet with the NBA star Dennis Robman. >> And one of these is true or one of these is false? >> One of them is false. >> Only one of those is false. >> Two of those is true. Incredibly. >> Let's see. This is this is a shot in the dark, Piers, because you're you were very controlled and very measured in how you said each of those three statements. So, I'm going to go with you did not marry Paris Hilton in a Las Vegas hotel. >> Wrong. >> Ah, lucky Paris. >> I'll give you a slight It wasn't legally binding, but I did actually marry Paris. Have we got the clip? I did actually marry Paris Hilton in a Las Vegas chapel. And in fact, the witnesses were an Elvis lookalike, a Dean Martin lookalike, a Marilyn Monroe lookalike. She went fully on board for this. Turned up in a dazzling dress, had a little dog. Uh I got to kiss the bride. >> Wow. >> Yeah, it really happened. >> And I'm hoping that you were also voted the sexiest man. >> I was voted twice the UK's sexiest man. Um I was as baffled as everybody else, but you know, who's to say the women of Britain are wrong? Uh, I have met Dennis Robin. In fact, I was on Celebrity Apprentice with him when I I went back in as one of Donald Trump's advisers after I won the first season of it. And Robin was one of the contestants and was hilarious. Uh, but that's the closest I've been to Dennis Robin. It certainly didn't happen on a fighter jet. So, that was the that was the lie. Uh, but it's fascinating. Um, but I'm you know, maybe it just means I'm a good liar. >> I'll take that for sure. >> Andrew, brilliant to talk to you. The book is fascinating. Shadow Cell, an insider account of the new spy war. You talk about this in such a riveting way. It's a really fascinating read. You're an ex-covert CIA intelligence officer, US Air Force combat veteran. You know what you're talking about and you talk about it. Uh, great to see you. 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