Charlie Kirk. >> Charlie and I were very, very close indeed. >> Trump found out, didn't he? And there's pictures of you and him at Trump Towers. >> Truth itself can [music] go through 16in armor plate. >> Who killed Charlie Kirk and why? Greetings, Bad Company podcasters. This is Ivonne Ridley. They say you can judge a person by the company he keeps. Well, my next guest is a friend of Tucker Carlson and Candy S and uh was also very close with Charlie Kirk as well. Plus, Donald Trump uh the president 47 uh certainly made uh John Mappen quite a few bucks. I don't know if you want to explain that, John. Well, um I suppose the press did pick up on it really. I I I when he came down the escalator, I think it's one of those moments in life. We can all remember where we were when Donald Trump came down the escalator at Trump Tower and announced he was going to become president. Well, I was upstairs at Camelot Castle and my son had literally been born about two weeks before. I think it was June the 11th uh 2015. And um I for many years have used a uh philosophical algorithm to be able to predict outcome. And I applied this philosophical algorithm or this method of evaluating information to the probability of Trump winning the the election, becoming the nominee initially and then winning. And um I saw immediately that he would win and I I had complete certainty on it. So I took the entire book that night or over the next couple of days really at at William Hill, which is a betting shop uh in the UK. And um I think I placed about 36 bets on him at odds ranging from 33 to1 to 20 to1. And um obviously as I kept on putting on more bets, the odds were coming in and um eventually of course I I I had a call from fellow called Graeme Sharp who was in charge of extreme betting at William Hill. He said, "What the hell are you doing?" I said, "Well, I think you're about to lose a lot of money." He said, "Well, um, it's actually a great story." And so he leaked the story of this bat, um, which ended up being headlines all over the world, of course, when he did win. >> You had the last laugh. >> Well, I did have the last laugh really. And, um, >> and a whole lot of cash. >> Well, yes. I mean, um, not that I'm a betting man. I only really did it because you know what it's like if if if if uh somebody says, "Well, I know that Ivon Ridley is going to be the next MP for Glasgow." Um then um everyone said, "Well, you say that you you know, you you you've got to have receipts to prove that." So really, I just put the bet on as sort of a cheeky marker uh as a way to sort of mark my card as a proof of concept for this algorithm really, which I'd been working with for a number of years. And um I I I wasn't intending to sort of clean out William Hill, but I don't think I'd quite clean them out. In fact, I think the publicity from the bet that they generated caused so much political betting to come in. I think most of the money went was put on Hillary. So I think actually they probably profited from me quite grandly. Um >> but Trump found out, didn't he? And uh there's pictures of you and him together at Trump Towers. >> Well, actually it was it was Steve Wyn who was of Las Vegas fame hosted a big fundraiser for him shortly after he was elected. and um he had heard about what we had done because after obviously we we we placed the bet, I did a tremendous amount to champion uh the idea that he should be the correct uh person to vote for in 2016. And his son Eric called me shortly after the uh victory and he said, "John, um thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We saw everything that you did. um as soon as you're in Washington, do please come and say hello. And so Steve W was holding a fundraiser. I happened to be in Florida and I called up uh somebody who I knew, you know, knew the sort of central orbit. I said, "Well, listen, Eric did mention to pass by and I'm here in Florida." They said, "Well, come to this fundraiser." So, of course, I turn up um and it's me and about sort of um 150 other billionaires. I was rather out of my depth. Um but uh uh he was there and he had a copy of the Daily Express front page which reported the bet and he I' I've actually got a picture of him holding up the Daily Express headline uh you know about John Mappin winning a gargantuan sum and when I met him he said I know all about you. He said you you made rather a lot of money from me winning the election. I said, "Well, sir, you know, when you back a winner, you win." Of course, he absolutely loved it, and Melania was absolutely joyful. Um, oh, she's got a new film coming out, so that'll be exciting. >> Yes. Yes. I've uh heard quite a bit about it. Are you going to go to the opening, the premiere? >> Well, I might go if there's one over here. I might go if there's one over here. Um I I was I was supposed to be actually in Washington this week, but I've I've I've had to go somewhere else. But um so I don't think I'll be going to the premier there. But uh if there's one here, I'll most certainly go. >> Now then, I mentioned some names earlier on. Um friends of yours, Candy Sens, the famous podcaster and and uh Charlie Kirk. >> Yeah. The question I've got to ask you is who killed Charlie Kirk and why? >> That is uh quite a question. Um >> because you know his family, his wife and and I >> I do. I do. It's a very uh to be honest with you, you know, Charlie and I were very very close indeed. And to witness his his basically public execution has been the hardest thing um in my life really. Um it it has been awful and um I don't know the answer to that question. What I [clears throat] do know is this is I do hunt a lot and I use when one shoots, you live up in Scotland, you know there's a lot of red deer up there and if you go stalking for red deer, you will use uh generally quite a highowered rifle and a 3006 rifle is something that tends to be used uh for large game. Whenever I have shot a red deer, and I've shot a number of them with a 3006, I have always um witnessed and seen uh an exit wound. In other words, you have the entrance wound where the bullet goes in and then a 3006 will actually punch a huge hole. The the entrance room for the rifle bullet is very small actually. And then when the bullet comes out the other side of the animal, it's a it's a a very large exit wound. And um of course when the footage came out, it was very very clear that there was no exit wound. And we're being told obviously that um he was killed by by this fellow. There's the official story and there's what's been proposed. Of course, I haven't seen all of the evidence. Um, but it is uh what do they say? Something's wrong in the state of Denmark. Um, >> it doesn't seem to me to be a story that holds together. And I don't know if you've been watching any of her podcasts, but Candice, who is a family friend really, um I happen to have introduced her to her husband. Oddly, I'll tell you that story later, but um Candice has produced a series of investigation uh which I would thoroughly recommend any anybody to watch. Any freethinking person should definitely be interested because um there are so many uh anomalies which point to um certainly flaws in the official story um that I think it behooves any right-thinking person to to look into it, not least because um the person who is currently in jail for allegedly shooting Charlie um may well face the death penalty if convicted. And um I've never particularly been a big fan of the death penalty anyway. Um obviously in America that is the law. Um so you have to respect the laws of another country. Um but the idea of a Christian nation um basically putting a person to death that may not be guilty of the crime which he's been accused would weigh very heavily on on the soul of the nation. And we have to remember this is not 1963. You know, in 1963, we're all told Lee Harvey Oswald had killed President Kenny for many years. The average Joe more or less accepted that. I don't think anybody believes that now. Um, you know, Oliver Stone came forward obviously with his theories and other people had come forward with their theories. But I think the the the if we were to do a poll actually, you might poll your poll your viewers. What percentage of your viewers believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK? In those days, there was no internet at all and you didn't have this free flow of communication. you didn't have ex accounts and you know what do we call them all these social media uh what is there's Instagram there's Reddit there's all of these various different platforms and people are very free to >> communicate and um what's happening with Candice is there's like a global decentralized um intelligence uh network that has sprung up around this very question, who killed Charlie Kirk? I am of the belief that that answer, we have a right to know. And um >> and who is she saying killed Charlie Kirk? >> She's not she's not, to my knowledge, she has not alleged um that anybody has killed him other than she >> pushing her podcasters into various directions, isn't she? She's asking them to find information about various different uh uh you know she has unanswered questions. So she'll say uh I listened to one last night where she's asking for uh information about various different characters that she wants to gather up. She's still really in data gathering mode as far as I can see. She's not laid out a specific accusation uh towards anybody. Um, I mean, some people have said that Charlie brought it on himself in a way because he was starting to cast huge question marks over another incident, October the 7th, >> right? >> He >> Well, he did certainly he did certainly >> he stirred the pot with October 7. >> Yeah. saying, "Why did it take six hours for the Israeli military to respond to the Hamas attack, >> which is normally an area that um somebody from the right in America wouldn't [clears throat] really go into, >> but he did. He started poking poking the bear. Really?" >> Yeah. I mean, I would have to check the videos on that and exactly what he said, but um >> uh Charlie was going through um an evolution spiritually. Um and you know, I met him in 2018 and he came here and we hosted an event for him and you know, actually arrived up at the RAAC club with Candace at what was supposed to be a dinner for 20. It had ended up being a gathering of about 170 people and um he at that time was I think it's probably not fair to say he was 100 100% supportive of everything that Israel did but he was certainly let's say 99.9 um he was he was wholly supportive o of of that and what I observed D and what I've seen through my friendship with him is he shifted and >> politically >> um humanitarianly >> Mhm. um he had become a father and I think when you well you know cuz you're a mom he was politically uh he had his position but from a humanitarian point of view when you become a parent and you start to see the sorts of um ghastly devastation that uh had occurred in in in Gaza or has occurred in Gaza. I think for most people um anybody can watch that footage who is a parent and not be affected by it on both sides. I mean listen what occurred on October the 7th was absolutely unacceptable. Um and what occurred what has occurred subsequently has been from a humanitarian point of view absolutely unacceptable. Um, and Charlie was deeply affected by that. And of course, um, I think it was in May of last year, he wrote to he wrote a personal letter to to Bibby Netanyahu. And, um, he he communicated that um, Israel was losing the PR war. And it's very interesting actually because I was out the other day in the countryside with a friend of mine who is a Jewish friend of mine and he said to me, you know, he's very wellto-do family, public school, not somebody who even perhaps I would even have considered. uh it's not somebody who is like you know you have people that are like obviously Christian or obviously Muslim or in my case obviously Scientologist you know I mean you you have different types of uh people some people sort of wear it on their sleeves some people don't really wear their religion on their sleeve I wouldn't have thought that you know I never really it's not something I would have necessarily have imagined he said to me um due to the rise in anti-semitism, I'm going to be needing to get myself a place in Israel so that if things get really bad here, um I can leave. I It was shocking to me to hear this. At the same time, I've had people who um Muslim friends of mine who um don't feel comfortable with the level of the you know increase in um anti-Islamic communication. Well, people are becoming very polarized and >> and I think Charlie could be faulted legitimately and I don't think it's too I don't think it's too early to talk about this because he he you know it's 3 months now and he could be criticized for um for I don't know if you recall when he came here. He went on Breakfast TV or something. I think he was interviewed by GB News and he said that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. Well, I mean, I took him to task on that. I mean, that is a ridiculous statement to make. Apart from anything else, uh if you understand your your history, um Islam has been part of Western civilization. Uh much of our mathematics, much of our architecture, a lot of the creative thought. Um you know, now it's one thing taking a view in relation to uh people breaking the law. It's a completely other thing to say that an entire religion is incompatible and I think that you know in that sense he was stirring it up there and I think that was wrong but we had that type of a friendship. I could you know say that sort of stuff to him and we we stayed very very closely in touch and um I did discuss that with him when you know after he said it I said you know that's probably uh I think you that's regrettable um but on the other side yes he was asking questions and this is why people did like him is that he was a champion of free speech and he spoke freely he did speak very freely about his views news. I don't think he reported anything at all that wasn't reported in the Israeli newspapers. Um he was always very careful to, you know, communicate things that were verified um by by by other press, but he was asking questions that were definitely uncomfortable. And so somebody looking at that would look at it and if they would say, "Well, um, here you have a fellow who was probably one of Israel's greatest public relations assets over the last 10 years in America. Is he still an asset or have we lost him?" And I think anybody intelligent looking at the receipts and looking at his communication would say, well, if we haven't lost him, we're about to. And this is why he wrote to uh BB Netanyahan. And if one reads the letter, in fact, the letter was released, but it was presented that this was some sort of uh you know, an approval of of what was going on. But if you actually read the letter, which of course most people don't read, >> well, it has fueled conspiracy theorists and of course um Candice who is not averse to stirring the pot as well. Um >> well, I don't think she's I don't think she tries to stir the pot. I think what she >> Well, she did say that Francis first lady was a man. >> Have you seen her series? I haven't. But somebody challenged me over that and said, "You have to see the evidence that she comes up with." >> Yeah. I think if you watch if you watch the the Becoming Breit series, uh, which you anybody can find on Candace's podcast. Um, she's gone down a line of investigative journalism. I mean, listen, Ivonne, I'm speaking to Ivon Ridley here. you are one of the finest investigative journalists this country has produced. So there used to be something in this country in the media called investigative journalism. [laughter] It's very rare these days and I think Candice is is is being an investigative journalist. Now um she may be right, she may be wrong, but I I I I don't think she's doing it um for the fun of it. I think she's doing it because if um you know there are truths that have been hidden from society um she considers it's in the public interest for for that information to be known. >> Well, I don't want us to get sued by the Macron lawyers. Um so, you know, we don't have a position on that. >> No. Nor do I. [laughter] So returning to Candice, um she also has a reputation for being very thorough and fastidious in her investigations and she has got to well I wouldn't say got to grips but she certainly looked at the assassination of Charlie Kirk and decided to get to the the bottom of it. >> Yeah. I mean, I think she's behaved in a way that he would have behaved if it was her that had been assassinated publicly in front of the entire world. But now she's put herself in the crosshairs, hasn't she? She's certainly under threat. >> Well, my view is is the whole world is in the crosshairs. You know, we are at a point in history where um if the truth continues to be covered up in the way that um it keeps keeps occurring um that's a threat to everybody. >> Why are people afraid of the truth? >> Golly, you're asking me some serious questions today. I mean, >> you cover it in your book, >> sovereignty, >> the restoration of sanity. What really interests me about this is you put psychiatry under the microscope >> and I noticed that you um really uh got on your white charger and and went after those who were trying to attack Candy S and saying, "Oh, she's barking mad. She's crazy. >> She's a nutcase." you know, all the usual insults around mental fragility. >> Yes. >> And uh your defense of her was quite astonishing. So much so that she actually repeated it word for word on her last podcast. >> Yeah. Well, I I could see that the same people that were attacking her were the same people that attacked Trump when he first tried to get elected. I could see that uh they're the same elements that um have silenced other freedom fighters that I've studied and gotten to know. And um there is a a tiny tiny hidden group of people who practice um it's really a philosophy of materialism. That's really the the essence of it. It's the idea that man is an animal and is purely the sum of his chemical parts. Now this is not actually a new idea but it resurfaced in 1876 in Leipig Germany when Wilhevunt was commissioned by Bismar to um keep the Prussian army which was a conscript army fighting and he needed a philosophy and the idea that man is not an immortal spirit living through eternity and that The current life is but one experience of man's journey uh was anathema to this tiny group of what became uh the practice medically of psychiatry. And if you look at the history of psychiatry, if you look at the history of psychiatric philosophy, uh you learn um very very quickly that um where there is evil in the world, you will find a psychiatrist and uh hard at work and you will find that these characters have embedded themselves. So where you see a Christian behaving in a psychotic way, you will find a psychiatrist who is somehow influencing that Christian. when you find um a uh a Muslim that is uh breaking the law or doing something that uh could be described as radical or extreme or certainly out of keeping with with core Islamic tenant. Um there'll be a psychiatrist that is infiltrated. Um, some time ago we talked about Captagon, which is a a drug that was created in order to uh get young people to take extremist actions in relation to the ISIS movement. >> Well, it also made a lot of money for the Syrian regime under Assad. >> Well, I don't know who profited out of it. What I do know is that Captagon uh will take a young man and after a few months of being exposed to that drug, you know, it's a mix of ritin and crystal meth and it's not dissimilar to what Hitler fed to the Nazis, is not dissimilar to what the Japanese fed to the kamicazi pilots. Um it uh creates a sort of a false bravery in battle and um the the machinery of psychiatry uh is very very misunderstood by the current culture but uh it's something that I've researched deeply. It's something that I um have a tremendous understanding of. And uh I saw that Candace was being uh there was an attempt to suppress her communication by people who essentially were working for those elements. And um I decided to call it out for what it was. And I think she was very very appreciative actually. In fact um when she first got the letter you know she she brought it to tears because there was so much truth in it. And I think that letter was read 40 million times on on X. Um, and certainly it was deeply appreciated. But I mean I I I as I say Candace and George are husband and family friends. So um you know it was by complete fluke that um having to introduce them but you know flukes do happen. Um, >> I mean, you mentioned before that you're a Scientologist and we know that Scientology has gone to war with the big pharmaceutical companies. And of course, a lot of the medication that people are taking now is um has to do with mental health and well-being. >> Is this not used? >> Well, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that um Scientology has I I am a Scientologist. I've been a Scientologist for 35 years. Um you know I was in Los Angeles. You know, I'd read the Daily Mail version, of course, which says that, uh, you know, makes all sorts of claims, and I think most of us have, you know, read something about it. And I said to myself, um, I walk past a number of their buildings in Los Angeles, and when I walk past the buildings, the people walking in and out seem perfectly normal to me. And, um, the buildings all look clean and tidy and very professional. And um I sort of said to myself as a young man, I said, I just wonder if this is the one occasion where the Daily Mail hasn't quite got it right. And oddly uh I know that Daily Mail is absolutely 100% correct on everything else, but when I walked into the uh Church of Scientology, I I I just said, you know, here I am. Um I'd like to meet somebody here that knows about the subject. And I found it fascinating. I wouldn't say that the Church of Scientology went to war against the pharmaceutical corporations. I would say the other way round. Elron Hubard who founded Scientology um he um discovered a cure for depression or a way to handle depression that doesn't use drugs. Of course, if you invent a better mousetrap, people the existing mousetrap get rather annoyed. And of course, if you can um sell a book to somebody that costs all of sort of five or$10 dollars or something like that, which it did in those days, and they can take that book home and they can help their friend um resolve depression in a few hours, um with a little bit of reading, I suppose, let's say 20, 30 hours, um without using drugs, then that becomes an immediate threat to all of those profit models out there that rely on somebody turning up to doctor saying I'm depressed and doctor goes well take this mother's little helper and that game had been going on for a long time so Hubard rather innocently became interested in you know how does the mind work and he subsequently um ran into this vested interest and you know when he first he wrote the first book on the subject in 1950 50 and it went to the top of the New York Times bestseller list for 36 weeks in a row. Well, this then became a threat to the actually psychiatric vested interests who thought that they had a monopoly on mental health and so they started a disinformation campaign about the founder and about the church of Scientology. So, you're supposed to have heard all sorts of uh cuckoo things about it and uh I won't repeat them here because um you you can read about them in the Daily Mail, but uh yes, there there there was a kickback and I think when you do introduce truth, you asked me a very good question. Why are people frightened of the truth? Well, I think you you different it's a different answer for everybody, but um if you are profiting from an activity over here and somebody comes across with a benign activity over here that is going to cut across your uh illotten gains over here, then um uh you're not just frightened of the truth. you're you're you're you're become incensed and you think well I have to uh take this fellow down. So I think the truth tellers and the truth seekers um and Charlie of course was a great truth seeker. In fact, I have a I have a text from him where he says, "John, thank you so much for opening my eyes to the Sykes and he was on he he he he was zeroing in on who it is on this planet that is seriously causing the trouble. I mean, just take, you know, uh what's been happening in this country for the last few years. I mean, you're we're we're looking at a population that has sort of allowed itself to be exposed to a militaryra psychiatric hypnosis program, you know, and look at the craziness that has occurred over this period. Well, Charlie was on to all of that and he was talking about it and and Candace, too. Uh, and of course, >> well, that could also make them targets because, you know, you're attacking a multi-billion dollar industry. >> I'd love to say it's multi-billion. It's actually multi- trillion. >> Multi- trillion. >> It's multi- trillion. It is it is a vast it is a lot of cash. Mhm. >> And um uh there are some people um that have integrity in this world uh who wouldn't compromise their integrity for money. I know you to be one of them and um you've you've had the most extraordinary track record as a as a journalist. Um but there are others who are willing to sell out actually for very little money and that's a shame. Um but that is the anatomy of of life and what is good and the reason I think shows like this are so important is that uh truth itself can go through 16in armor plate and when people actually hear the truth and they start thinking for themselves or they can you know anybody can can look into the history of psychiatry I mean if somebody actually wants to look into the history of psychiatry there's a organization called the citizens commission of human rights cchr.org org is their website and and you know you can what I'm what I'm saying here is not new information this has been known since about 1966 so it's not a a new analysis but it's becoming much more relevant today I think really because of the vast numbers of people that have been told there is no cure for depression here just you're just going to be hooked on these drugs for the next for the rest of your life and eventually these drugs destroy people. Um, and of course in the military sphere, uh, they're used, uh, with a far more nefarious intention. So, it's interesting. >> Well, the Americans did a lot of experiments with, uh, their own military over psychiatric drugs. They did >> probably looking to get fearless soldiers or or what makes somebody feel invincible and and not fearful in in a combat situation. >> Yeah. Well, that was when the in 1951 the founder of Scientology Elron Hubard was the if not the first I think he was the first person to document in writing. It's in his second book. It's science of survival. It was written in 1951. The precursor to the MK Ultra program and the MK Ultra program he called it pain drug hypnosis. They would drug somebody, they would expose them to pain and they would hypnotize them at the same time. And the military was starting to experiment on their own citizens with these psychiatric techniques because uh far from being any type of uh uh benign science, psychiatry is actually a political weapon and it's been used as a political weapon. So they developed uh MK Ultra uh which began I think in 1953 and that's now very well documented. And this is what Candace has really been that's the line she's been going down. She's been looking into what are the actual origins of MK Ultra and is the MK Ultra program really effectively still in use? And what we find is and what we saw during COVID is that those psychiatric techniques were used on civilian populations in terms of how people were programmed to act. In terms of the fact that, you know, millions of people lined up like lemmings to take an untested medical treatment that now has been proven to harm. I don't think there's anybody that has has >> Well, has it been proven, though? I mean, I was one of those sheeple that's uh that lined up and did, you know, >> I I was just terrified of the whole [clears throat] >> co thing. >> Yeah. >> And >> and many were my mother did too, you know. My mother was terrified and um uh there was a lot of fear creation in the media. Um, you know, that's something that in hindsight we can look back at and we can say, well, you know, how good was the data that was being put out by the mainstream media? How reliable was it? Well, if you stand up today and start saying putting a question mark over uh COVID medicine, >> people get shut down on websites, kicked off social media platforms. It's a very hot topic. Well, I was I was my Twitter account was removed and my Facebook account was taken down and I was censored uh when when I presented a cure for for COVID and uh of course you know the cure now is is acknowledged as working very very well indeed. Um thankfully after Elon Musk uh bought Twitter back I I was given back my my Twitter account. and it skinned a few hundred thousand followers from me. But um no, it was it was uh we've lived through some very very uh dark times with regard to the media. And um yeah, I think uh it's a subject that not everybody still is willing to communicate about other than funnily enough in the farming community where where I was very open because I spend a lot of time with farmers down in the West Country and I've had about um five to 10 farmers come up to me recently and say, you know, you're so right. Friends of mine's daughters, they're misarrying. Um you know, we think it's something to do with the vaccine. Well, maybe they're right, maybe they're not right, but I would say the grassroots awareness that something uh negative occurred as a result of that is is is now on the increase. Um >> but the whole point of a vaccine is to eradicate a disease, you know, like smallpox. >> Well, I mean, listen, it's a point of educating oneself. one vaccine that deals with smallox is not the same as an mRNA vaccine that was developed uh in record time um is two completely different technologies and some would argue that um you know the mRA mRNA treatment is not technically a vaccination but um I became very close friends with a fellow who invented mRNA he's a fellow called Dr. alone and um he was part of the original pilot program. He told me, "Don't put it anywhere near your body, John, and don't let any of your family take it." And actually, I flew him into London at my own expense. and I put him up actually uh in a hotel in London and uh he gave a big presentation to a lot of politicians at the Colton Club and um he is somebody who who most certainly understands the technology of mRNA. >> So you're not saying all vaccines are bad, don't take any? >> No, of course not. No, but I think that um you know sanity is the ability to differentiate. You know Coca-Cola is not the same as sparkling water. So you know you don't have to say well all drinks are bad. You know, Coca-Cola probably, yes, um is rather good for cleaning the toilet apparently, but um [laughter] you know, personally I enjoy it actually, but uh it's clearly sparkling water is healthier for you than is it's the ability to differentiate. >> Mhm. Because that's in in the title of your book, the restoration of sanity. >> Yeah. >> I mean, what's happening in the world today? Is it that politicians just feel that they can stand up and lie to us, which some inevitably do? And you know, we've seen things happening and unfolding in America and you think, what the hell is going on there? Well, and I think that's exciting because the world is actually at a very critical point of >> Well, it all depends which end of a an ice gun >> you happen to be on. >> No, I agree. But I mean it I think the world is is recognizing that there is something seriously wrong. You know, even people who normally wouldn't be paying attention are now starting to pay attention and they are in a state of of what could only be described as need of change. Well, you see, below that state, you have the state of apathy. And that's actually the hardest thing, you know. Well, you'll find this out as you campaign in Glasgow. >> That's where we are in Britain at the moment, isn't it? Apathy. A lot of people are in apathy, but a lot of people are coming up into need of change. >> And need of change is is somebody that goes, you know what? Um, there is something seriously wrong in the world. I don't know what it is, but I'm sure as hell going to find out or I do know what it is, and actually I'm going to do something about it. And uh, that can only be said to be an improvement. And one of the interesting things about Charlie Kirk's assassination is too many people witnessed there a person who listen I for one did not agree with everything that Charlie said as I've said when he came over here and he communicated that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. I thought that was a very destructive comment, unnecessary, but he was free to say it and somebody else is free to counter it. The fact of the matter is people like Charlie not because necessarily what he said, but because he was all about pushing free speech and um uh this is what is uh people are coming up to using their right to speak freely. they're coming up to uh you know for instance even this little conversation we've had now well in the past somebody might watch this and go well that's very interesting Ivon's got a very interesting podcast I found it interesting but I don't dare share it on Facebook well now you might find somebody goes well actually that's very interesting I'm going to send it to five of my friends on Facebook that's what I'm going to do so they're coming up to wanting to participate in the sharing of truth and the fact that anybody can look into the investigation. There's an amazing website that somebody contacted me actually and they created this website. It's called who killed ck.com. who killed charliekirk.com. So it's who killed ck.com. That website lays out the official story and an alternative viewpoint of what others have observed. And to my mind, nobody can look through that website without drawing very very different conclusions. So people now are are waking up and I do think that Charlie has become the turning point that he postulated in the world. It may not go the way that he thought it would go because uh once people really start looking at the truth, they will arrive actually at the truth because the truth is very interesting. It will appear to people that genuinely seek it. >> Well, it's a bit like the idiom, isn't it? That uh you can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people something like that. >> Some of the something like that, anyway. >> Exactly. No, I know exactly what you mean. >> Now, we'll probably never agree um on Donald Trump. Um but do you think that the reason why he became so popular is that uh he cuts through all the the red tape and says, "I will deliver this. I will do that." And of course these are things that politicians rarely say. >> Well, you know, I I think both of us have been involved in the world of politics for sufficient time to realize that I don't think there's any political leader that one would completely agree with. Um, you know, >> well, getting a statement from Saki Starmer is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. No, I mean I don't think there's anybody that we've run into in our respective careers in in in in the political orbit, you could say. Um, I personally decided to put our, if you like, family name and support behind President Trump when he came down the escalator is because I saw that Hillary was already suggesting a no-fly zone over Syria. And I considered that that stupidity would have resulted in a war with with the Russian Federation. And I thought that she would take us towards a World War II scenario. I knew uh or I had some prediction as to what was already been planned in relation to Ukraine. And I just realized that um President Trump was somebody that wanted to be perceived of as a peacemaker. And I think on the whole, other than a few notable examples, he has tried to calm down conflicts geopolitically. That's what interested me particularly about him. Well, not by kidnapping the president of Venezuela. >> Well, I I I would have to agree with you on that. I I I I found that to be uh uh a very surprising and um let's put this way, it's not something I would have done, but he did it. And um uh as I say, you know, I don't think we would disagree on that. Um, and I I wouldn't I wouldn't attempt to justify it because it's uh under any concept of international law. Um, if there is such a thing. Um, yeah, I would I would I would agree with you on that. >> I mean, he he does say and do some unhinged things. um his board of peace, >> right, >> which doesn't contain a single Palestinian even though it's been brought together to form um a future for Gaza. And how can the people of Gaza feel as though they've got any future if they're not invited to the big table to sit and discuss their future? >> Well, um if if if you if if if that is in fact the case, um I'm sure you have a point. >> I'm not completely familiar with that subject. It's not a subject that I um have really spent a great deal of time on. I [clears throat] certainly uh found what's occurred in Gaza to be extremely distasteful. >> Mhm. >> And my observation on it is I I am very very worried for uh you know many Jewish friends of mine who um their lives here in in in England have been made almost impossible because um you know the actions that Israel has taken in relation to Gaza um it's going to take a long time for a lot of people to forgive that if indeed they ever will forgive it. Um and I think Candice made some very strong points on that. >> Um and the idea of creating some type of sort of a holiday resort there. I mean I find that to be absolutely utterly um distasteful. >> I just think that uh some of the things that he said and done um have been positive. You know, I will hand over the JFK who killed him files. >> I will hand over the Epstein files, except he hasn't. And um people know that there's something rotten about these cases and they don't like being lied to. >> No. And so having somebody come in and promise to unveil this and expose that >> is like a breath of fresh air. >> Yeah, it is. It's a breath of fresh air if he if indeed he he follows through on it. >> But he hasn't yet followed through on Epstein. He hasn't yet followed through on on >> JFK. >> JFK. Mhm. >> Um I mean last I heard I spoke to somebody yesterday um who knows um Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna who's you know quite an interesting young lady. Apparently um the files went to a judge. The JFK files went to a judge and the point was we want these things unredacted and he's making them go through 5 million documents before you know anything serious can happen with them. So you know the amount of work that that involves. So they are being slowwalked through as to whether or not we get them before the end of Trump's term. Um you I'd be surprised. You got to ask well why is that? you know, who do those files incriminate? Um, and that is essentially the the the big question that, you know, all these uh sort of exposees have. Um, which is why I I think that the role of of of a truth seeker and the role of um these small little uh independent pockets of truth that you find in various different places on the internet have so much value. Um, you know, truth has a funny way of working its way through a society and uh, you know, word of mouth of course is a lot more powerful than people. Now before we let you go, there is um a a mystery that you would like solving and uh you mentioned family name before. Uh >> yes, >> John Mappen. You're part of the Mappen and Web uh jewelry dynasty. Mhm. >> And in the 1950s, there was something an exquisite piece of jewelry called >> well, it's called the the map in Tiara or more specifically the Irenei map in Tiara. >> Yes. >> And I brought a picture of it for you which perhaps you can put up on the screen. >> It was [clears throat] known to be one of the most beautiful tiaras ever made. It was made for my great great aunt Irene Mappin and it was a gift to my mother on her wedding day. What was amazing about it, it was um the the crest of it, it had three liies which the it was sort of diamond set in platinum or silver or something of that nature. And um it was sprung set which meant that when the person walked with it the petals on the liies would shimmer or they would you know they were like on little springs. >> Mh. >> And so this tiara when you walked in the room it would literally just catch the eye because the light would be uh you know fractured by it or or I don't know what you call that with light when it whatever light does when it hits a diamond. um refract >> refracts. >> It refracted off. That's the word. >> And um so what happened was is after my mother's wedding she took the tiara into a jeweler in Hatton Garden and oddly that very night the uh Hatton Garden jeweler was raided. Now, I'm afraid I don't have the name of the Hatton Garden jeweler. Um, but this uh family, if you like, heirloom was lost. And uh the other day I did just put out a post because I just thought, well, maybe out there somewhere in the world uh there is somebody who was sold this tiara because I something tells me it wouldn't have been broken up because to break it up would have reduced its value tremendously. Um, and I just thought out there there might be somebody out there. So, I thought, well, I'll I'll post this up and I'll let everybody know that, you know, if somebody does come across it, there'll be a reward and um, you know, uh, >> well, let's see if some of the company podcasters can uh, turn. they all all the sleuths out there can can have a go and see if they can but if they could um sort of share it about a bit then then then you never know something some somebody out there might go well we'll probably oh well this is my granny's now they probably won't want to let it up [laughter] they're rather beautiful things tiaras and um of course uh what a what a what a what a nice thing for you to raise her. Thank you so much. Yeah, and it would give my mother great pleasure. >> Yeah, >> she's 88 now, my mother. So, um it would give her immense pleasure to to >> find it. >> Well, let's hope we can solve the mystery. John, thank you so much for coming in um as usual, a mine of information and and for throwing light on uh the murder mystery of Charlie Kirk. Well, all I would suggest is if people actually want to look into it, go to whokilled ck.com, take a look at that website, watch Candace's show. Uh she does a very nice tribute to him at the beginning and then there's a series. I think there's about 20 episodes now. So, it's a it's a good old watch. However, it's extremely revealing. And when I watched it, I learned things about the world that I just did not know. And I think that's the that's the purpose of what people like you and Candace are trying to do. And uh hopefully when she comes to London, I'll I'll have the chance to introduce you. >> Yeah, we'd love to bring her in on Bad Company. Thank you so much, John. Well, that's all we've got for today. I hope you've enjoyed the show as much as I have and do subscribe, stay tuned, and uh see who will be sitting in the hot seat next. 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