Baby Charlie Kirk Debating the Definition of Woman and American Values

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[00:06] speaking. One more time. No, I'm

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[00:12] >> Hello everyone. I am Charlie Kirk,

[00:14] founder of Turning Point USA, and uh I

[00:16] am surrounded by 20 woke college kids.

[00:19] Uh a woman is an adult female with XX

[00:21] chromosomes. You tell me what is a

[00:22] woman?

[00:23] >> I think a woman is somebody who

[00:24] identifies as a woman.

[00:25] >> Got it. So that's not a definition.

[00:27] That's like saying a table is something

[00:28] that identifies as a table. Give me an

[00:30] objective definition.

[00:31] >> No, it's not. A table is an object.

[00:32] >> Well, tell tell

[00:33] >> a table can't identify as anything. It

[00:35] doesn't have you have to give me an

[00:37] objective definition of what a woman is.

[00:39] >> If I decided right now that I wanted to

[00:41] identify as a woman, I would be a woman.

[00:43] >> Okay. But that's not that doesn't answer

[00:44] the question.

[00:45] >> I know. But right now I'm a man, right?

[00:46] So if that happened right now, I would

[00:48] be a woman. The thing is once once a

[00:50] person makes the decision to identify as

[00:51] a woman. That's a separate issue. What

[00:53] is a woman?

[00:54] >> That's the definition.

[00:55] >> No, I know. But you have to tell me what

[00:57] >> a person who identifies themsself as a

[00:59] woman.

[00:59] >> But you have ident how do you know that

[01:01] they are that thing?

[01:02] >> How do I I don't need to know what they

[01:04] I can ask them if I want to know.

[01:06] >> But there needs to be you need to tell

[01:07] me what that thing is though.

[01:10] >> Somebody who we're not getting anywhere.

[01:12] >> No, that's important because it's like

[01:14] saying a giraffe is a thing that looks

[01:15] like a giraffe or a coyote is a thing

[01:17] that looks like a coyote. It's called

[01:18] circular reasoning. You have to give me

[01:20] a actual definition.

[01:22] >> I don't have to. I I did give you a

[01:23] definition.

[01:24] >> No, no, no. said that a woman is

[01:26] something that thinks they're a woman.

[01:27] That doesn't give me a definition.

[01:29] What's your name?

[01:30] >> Uh, none of your business,

[01:31] unfortunately. But

[01:32] >> Okay. Hello. Nice to meet you. None of

[01:33] your business.

[01:34] >> Thank you. I appreciate it. So, do you

[01:35] love America?

[01:37] >> Yes, I do.

[01:38] >> I hate America.

[01:39] >> I

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[01:46] Every state in the USA should be an

[01:49] independent country. What do you think

[01:52] of this?

[01:53] >> Off your mic, dude.

[01:54] >> Well, I I just first have to ask. Since

[01:56] you hate the country, do you plan to

[01:57] leave

[01:57] >> that? What do you mean by that?

[01:59] >> Do you plan to go live in another

[02:00] country?

[02:01] >> Oh, I do not.

[02:02] >> Oh, you're an idiot.

[02:03] >> Let Let me tell you something.

[02:04] >> Your face is an idiot.

[02:05] >> America is the only country where even

[02:08] those who hate it refuse to leave.

[02:10] >> That's how you know you live in a great

[02:11] country. Do you feel uh proud of

[02:14] yourself for debating college kids um

[02:17] who are unprepared to speak in front of

[02:19] an audience like yourself?

[02:21] >> Uh hold on, hold on, hold on. Um you're

[02:24] 30 years old. We we can agree you're 30

[02:26] years old, right?

[02:29] >> Do you think that's a little bit silly?

[02:31] >> Are you a voter?

[02:32] >> I am a voter.

[02:33] >> Oh, so I vote and you vote. So I'm

[02:34] talking to voters of this country that

[02:36] will determine the future of Western

[02:37] civilization. That's what I'm doing

[02:39] here, too.

[02:41] >> Yeah.

[02:42] Wait, hold on. How is it any different

[02:43] than a professor talking to you?

[02:45] >> Than a professor talking to you?

[02:46] >> Who? Who are you?

[02:48] >> Well, enough important enough for you to

[02:50] come up to a microphone.

[02:52] >> You're a stoastic terrorist.

[02:53] >> What is that?

[02:54] >> You're targeting a minority group.

[02:56] You're targeting trans people

[02:57] specifically.

[02:58] >> What is a woman?

[02:59] >> What is a That's a stupid ass question,

[03:01] dude. That's a dumbass question.

[03:02] >> What is a woman, college student?

[03:05] >> What is a woman? Oh, you're talking to a

[03:06] college student instead of like, I don't

[03:07] know, someone who's has media training.

[03:09] They can't answer what a woman is. It's

[03:11] not a trick question.

[03:13] >> What is a woman?

[03:14] >> Identifies as a woman.

[03:16] >> What is that thing? You can't answer the

[03:18] question with the question.

[03:21] >> It's like saying what is the sun? The

[03:22] sun is something that looks like the

[03:23] sun. What is a woman?

[03:27] >> No, you can't answer the question. Yeah,

[03:29] define the woman without saying woman.

[03:30] >> You create a company that's like like

[03:33] close to being a fascist and then like

[03:36] how am I Let's go through this. How am I

[03:38] a fascist?

[03:40] >> Dude, like you can you name one thing I

[03:42] believe that's fascist. Um, you believe

[03:44] that like

[03:46] >> you

[03:51] >> But I'm such a bad fascist. I let the

[03:54] people who disagree in open mic to talk

[03:55] to me for two hours uninterrupted.

[03:57] >> Okay.

[03:57] >> I'm an awful fascist.

[04:00] >> I'm more like a free speech liberal the

[04:01] 1970s, not a fascist. But I just want to

[04:04] say Turning Point USA is a evil company

[04:07] that was funded by thousands of fracking

[04:11] companies and that just

[04:12] >> No, it's not thousands, but we do have

[04:14] some frackers that give us money, but

[04:16] >> Yeah. And then all all it is is making a

[04:19] rich

[04:19] >> from fascism to fracking.

[04:21] >> That's all it is. That's all it is.

[04:23] >> Okay. Again, I'm happy to have a debate.

[04:25] I can see you're getting kind of fired

[04:26] up. So why why are we evil? Like we're

[04:29] we're having a nice discussion. All of a

[04:31] sudden you're calling me like It seems

[04:33] like you just want the rich get even

[04:35] more rich. Like

[04:37] >> we haven't talked about the rich at all.

[04:39] I mean, so do you you don't even know my

[04:41] positions on this stuff.

[04:43] >> Do you view democracy as an American

[04:44] value as something that's very important

[04:45] to the fabric of this country?

[04:47] >> No. Where is democracy in the US

[04:48] Constitution?

[04:49] >> Oh, okay. So, are you

[04:50] >> No, no, hold on. Where is the word

[04:51] democracy?

[04:52] >> I don't think the word democracy is in

[04:53] the

[04:54] >> So, where is the word democracy in any

[04:55] of the founding fathers?

[04:56] >> A lot of the founding fathers had

[04:58] extremely elitist viewpoints around who

[05:01] should hold on. I just want you said the

[05:02] word democracy. So I want to get back to

[05:04] our roots.

[05:05] >> Where is democracy mentioned in the

[05:07] federalist papers, the constitution or

[05:09] the declaration?

[05:10] >> I think it's good that this country has

[05:11] moved away from things that were

[05:13] explicitly believed by the foundation

[05:14] the federalist papers and it's mentioned

[05:16] negatively as a problem. So you ask me

[05:18] is democracy a fundamental American

[05:20] value? I say no because I go back to our

[05:22] roots and Hamilton Madison and Jay.

[05:25] >> Oh I know that Hamilton was

[05:27] anti-democracy.

[05:28] People thought that people should be

[05:29] owned as I want to be clear. I am I am

[05:32] pro-representative government, but I'm

[05:34] not pro-democracy. That's a big

[05:36] difference and that distinction is

[05:37] important. But you asked very

[05:39] specifically about democracy, which is

[05:41] not an American value. It never has been

[05:43] and never should be. Cuz what is

[05:44] democracy? Democracy is majority rule no

[05:48] matter what.

[05:49] >> That there's no provisions of checks and

[05:51] balances, no inalienable rights, no

[05:53] separation of powers, pure if the

[05:55] majority gets it, the majority wants it

[05:57] as quickly as possible.

[05:58] >> I don't advocate democracy. I do

[06:00] understand that we live in a

[06:01] representative like we live in a

[06:02] republic and I understand

[06:04] >> under no circumstance ever should a man

[06:06] ever let a woman pay for a date like

[06:08] ever. No,

[06:09] >> even on the third, fourth, fifth for

[06:11] anything.

[06:12] >> Okay. Well, let me period.

[06:13] >> What world are we living in?

[06:14] >> Well, hold on a second. I agree with

[06:16] you. If I'm dating a girl, I would pay

[06:19] for everything.

[06:20] >> Everything?

[06:20] >> Yeah. Everything. However, I could see

[06:23] for other people that might be in a

[06:25] different financial position. You know,

[06:26] you pay for 10 dates and then she's

[06:28] like, "You know what? I want to treat

[06:29] you. It's totally different. No, no.

[06:31] What we're the what we're talking about

[06:33] is like, oh, we're going to alternate.

[06:35] Like, what if you're serious and she

[06:36] wants to take you out to something for a

[06:38] nice dinner and you might, by the way,

[06:39] if you have the intent to marry, you're

[06:40] already like kind of blending finances.

[06:42] Like, I get that psychologically, but

[06:44] like if you're like, oh, we'll take

[06:46] turns like, oh, well, you know, you pay

[06:48] this time, I pay this time. What's your

[06:49] advice to a girl who's who the guy she's

[06:52] currently seeing, he says that,

[06:53] >> oh, do not marry that man.

[06:55] >> But here's the thing. I feel like they

[06:56] should always break offer.

[06:58] >> But they should offer. They should pull

[06:59] out the credit card a woman. Of course

[07:01] not.

[07:02] >> Just to offer.

[07:03] >> No. No. By the way, no. No. This is this

[07:04] is this is feminism. Feminism is that

[07:07] you have to be this like

[07:08] self-independent. This is not a nice

[07:09] gesture. It's you trying to be like

[07:11] egalitarian. No. You as woman should

[07:13] want to be provided for. In fact, you

[07:15] should have an expectation that you as a

[07:18] woman are so important and so critical

[07:21] and so necessary and beautiful that it

[07:24] shouldn't even be a question. Yes,

[07:26] ma'am. How are you?

[07:27] >> Uh, good. How are you?

[07:28] >> What's your name?

[07:28] >> Uh, Dakota.

[07:29] >> Nice to meet you, Dakota. How old are

[07:31] you?

[07:31] >> I'm 11.

[07:32] >> Amazing. Give it up for Dakota being

[07:33] here today.

[07:36] >> So, I'm pro-life. I'm a fiscal

[07:39] conservative

[07:41] and I know I want to get into politics

[07:43] when I grow up. I don't want to get into

[07:46] massive depth for a political science

[07:48] degree. What concrete steps can I take

[07:50] now in order to achieve the goal of

[07:52] doing my part to make America great

[07:54] again?

[07:55] >> Oh, great.

[07:58] You should go to Hillsdale College, the

[08:01] America's greatest college, and start

[08:02] studying now. Start taking classes,

[08:04] reading books. You have to be in charge

[08:06] of your own education. And the fact

[08:08] you're thinking like this at 11 uh is a

[08:10] great sign. God bless you, and the

[08:12] future is very bright. Thank you.

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