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Brian Entin Investigates Whether Charlie Kirk's Assassin Tyler Robinson Truly Acted Alone
Brian Entin returns to the Utah Valley University courtyard where Charlie Kirk was assassinated to dig into two unresolved threads in the case: whether accused shooter Tyler Robinson really acted without help, and new reporting that the FBI is examining far-left extremist groups for possible ties to the attack. He brings in retired FBI agent Steve Moore to explain how the bureau builds a case against an entire organization, what a text about a wrapped-up rifle can reveal about a suspect's knowledge, and why a cooperating witness suddenly goes silent after meeting a lawyer. Entin also shares new Discord messages reported by the New York Times showing Robinson's reaction in the hours after the shooting, and reflects on the close-knit Utah community mourning Kirk while praying for the accused shooter's family.
Back at the Scene of Charlie Kirk's Assassination
Brian Entin reports from Utah Valley University, standing near the courtyard where Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The area, once a sprawling crime scene, is finally being reopened as the school prepares to resume classes this week. But Entin says the reopening doesn't mean the case is close to resolved. Investigators are still working through two major open questions: did accused shooter Tyler Robinson act completely alone, and is there any truth to new reports that federal and state law enforcement are looking into far-left extremist groups in Utah for possible ties to the attack.
Did Tyler Robinson Act Alone?
Utah's governor has publicly stated that authorities believe Robinson acted alone. Entin questions whether that's a genuine conclusion or a strategic statement meant to throw off any wider network under investigation. To get an inside perspective, he turns to Steve Moore, a former FBI agent who spent years investigating domestic extremist groups, including a stint working against white supremacist organizations while stationed in Utah.
FBI Reportedly Investigating Far-Left Extremist Groups
Axios has reported that federal and state law enforcement are examining leftist groups in Utah to determine whether they had advance knowledge of Robinson's plans or provided material support afterward. Moore explains that this kind of investigation starts with finding a group's means of communication, whether that was shortwave radio decades ago or encrypted social media and messaging apps today. Agents typically rely on informants already embedded in a state or community to find an entry point into a closed group.
How the FBI Builds a Case Against an Entire Organization
Moore describes what's known internally as a 100 case, a formal investigation of an entire organization rather than a single suspect. These cases are rare because federal judges are reluctant to authorize them, and the FBI cannot open one without judicial sign-off. Moore says he once ran a 100 case himself, targeting the Aryan Nations, and that at any given time there were typically only two or three such investigations running nationwide.
To open one, agents need real evidence that a group is planning or orchestrating violence, not simply that its members hold disturbing beliefs. Once approved, the case grants investigators broad latitude, including wiretaps on communications and, if warranted, the introduction of a cooperating witness, informant, or undercover agent into the group. The authorization isn't permanent either, according to Moore, requiring renewal from a judge every month or every few months. Moore says that given the early stage of the case, any 100 investigation tied to Kirk's killing would likely be in its earliest procedural steps, and could be shut down quickly if agents don't find evidence of real violent intent.
Weighing the Evidence Against Robinson
Entin asks Moore about Robinson's romantic partner, who authorities say is transitioning and has been described by the governor as incredibly cooperative. Moore says that level of cooperation could mean investigators believe the partner is telling the truth and want to protect that relationship, or it could reflect a witness whose knowledge is being carefully managed. He points to a specific detail as significant: a text message in which Robinson reportedly told a friend the rifle was wrapped up and needed to be picked up. Moore says the absence of any follow-up questions about what rifle or why suggests the recipient already understood exactly what had happened.
A Cooperating Witness's Limited Value
Moore explains that a cooperating witness close to a suspect can be extremely valuable for infiltrating extremist networks, but only up to a point. Once other members of a violent group learn that someone has been cooperating with the FBI, that person's usefulness as an inside source drops sharply. Moore is careful to clarify that any investigation into extremist groups is aimed at organizations that advocate and plan violence, not at LGBTQ people or communities broadly.
Politics, Pressure, and the FBI
Entin asks Moore how agents handle a case that has become as politically charged as this one, with competing claims in the days after the shooting that Robinson was far-right and then that he was far-left. Moore shares a story from his own career investigating the Aryan Nations, when a former member committed a mass shooting at a Jewish community center months after leaving the group. Then-Attorney General Janet Reno reportedly asked Moore why agents hadn't kept following the shooter, and Moore explained that once someone leaves the organization under investigation, agents lose the legal authority to keep monitoring them.
Moore also recalls a supervisor who once pushed to add a wiretap to a case just to make the investigation look more sophisticated, even though agents already had enough information to make an arrest within days. He says pressure from management or public expectation is a constant undercurrent in high-profile cases, even though the vast majority of agents remain focused on the mission rather than optics.
Why Robinson Has Stopped Talking
New reporting indicates the alleged shooter is no longer cooperating with investigators. Moore says that's a familiar pattern once a suspect retains a lawyer, who will typically lay out in graphic detail what a lethal injection sentence would involve in order to convince a client that continuing to talk amounts to signing his own death warrant. Moore notes Utah is one of the few states that still carries out executions by firing squad, and says he once worked a 1984 fugitive case where the subject is still awaiting that sentence.
Life in Utah and the Community's Response
Entin reflects on the atmosphere in Utah, describing residents, including members of the Mormon community, expressing sympathy not only for Charlie Kirk's family but also for the family of the accused shooter, who is also Mormon. Moore, who lived in Utah for a few years while investigating white supremacist groups, agrees that the state carries a distinct sense of community regardless of one's views on the LDS Church.
New Discord Messages Raise Fresh Questions
Entin highlights new reporting from the New York Times describing Discord messages sent in a group chat the day after Kirk's killing. After the FBI released grainy surveillance images of a suspect, an acquaintance tagged Robinson's username and asked if the image was him, attaching a skull emoji. Robinson reportedly replied within a minute, joking that his doppelganger was trying to get him in trouble. Another user in the chat wrote that Robinson had killed Kirk, apparently as a joke. Entin notes that Robinson was not arrested until nearly 34 hours after the shooting, meaning he was reportedly active in the chat well after the attack while still unidentified publicly.
What Comes Next
Entin closes by noting he plans to keep digging into the Discord messages and the broader far-left extremist group investigation as new details emerge. He ends the episode showing sidewalk chalk memorials that have appeared across the Utah Valley University campus in tribute to Charlie Kirk.
Video Transcript
Hey guys, thanks so much for checking
out my channel. I'm here in the spot
where Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
continuing to investigate uh looking
into whether it's possible that the
alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, um
actually acted alone. Is that a real
possibility? Uh and also new reports
that the FBI is investigating far-left
extreme groups in possible connection to
the assassination. How do those
investigations work? I'm looking into
all of it in this episode of Brian and
Investigates. Hey guys. So, I'm out here
at Utah Valley University. This area
behind me is where Charlie Kirk was
assassinated. They're actually now
beginning to open it all back up. Um, it
was obviously a big massive crime scene.
Uh, but school is going to start again
this week. Uh, and they're starting the
process of opening everything back up,
but there's still so many questions. Um,
in terms of the alleged assassin, Tyler
Robinson, uh, the governor has said that
they believe that he acted alone. Um,
but there are questions about whether
that's really possible. Could could no
one else have really known. And is it
possible that investigators are just
saying that they believe he acted alone
to throw people off who they are
investigating? That's something that I'm
going to get into uh, in this episode.
But I've got a former FBI agent who did
these kinds of investigations for
literally decades. Um, who is going to
help me understand what may actually be
happening behind the scenes. Also,
something else that we've heard out here
that Axios is now reporting, uh, they
are saying that federal and state law
enforcement officials are examining
leftist groups in Utah to see whether
they had knowledge of the alleged
shooters plans beforehand or if they
lent material support to him afterwards.
investigating
uh extreme leftist groups. Uh what does
that mean? How do those investigations
work? It's something that I was really
really interested in, especially since
many of these groups just now exist
online. Uh and people just have these
anonymous names and it's hard it's hard
at least for us journalists to really
track who's saying what. Um how does
that investigation work? It's another
thing I'm going to get into in this
episode. Uh, and many times it requires
federal judges to sign off if they want
to do undercover operations and really
dig into these groups. And are they
actually doing that? Is that something
they're doing in this case? Is it
already going that far? Uh, I'm going to
look into it. First, I want to um talk
to uh the former FBI agent friend of
mine who I was talking about about all
of this.
>> I'm joined now by Steve Moore, uh,
former FBI agent. Thank you for being
with me again, Steve, on on this case.
Still I'm in Utah right now. I'm still
at the university. I wanted to ask you
um something stood out to me
specifically with this new reporting
from Axios and it's also something that
we've heard on the ground here. Um
they're reporting that federal and state
law enforcement officials uh are
examining leftist groups in Utah to see
whether they had knowledge of the
alleged shooters plans beforehand or if
they lent material support uh to him
afterward. I'm just wondering behind the
scenes how how did they do that?
Well, that's what I did in Utah only. I
worked against uh right-wing supremacist
groups. Um the way you do that is first
of all you have to find their means of
communication whether it used to be uh
in the 50s shortwave and then it was uh
then it became uh uh the internet and
then after that now it's social media
and uh so you have to find uh you have
to find a way in because it's not
something that is going to be advertised
or in Facebook's uh you know uh anagram.
It's it's just going to have to be you
find it. It's you're investigators.
That's what you do. And uh somebody some
in the office is see every FBI agent is
required to have informants. And when
you have people uh as informants
throughout the uh the state of Utah,
you're going to know somebody who knows
somebody on how to get in there. And
that's that's your entry point. You just
need one window open. if you'll u accept
the analogy there. And then once you do,
you have to decide um and with the help
of courts, they'll help you decide what
means of investigation you want. Um
there are investigations called 100s,
which are investigations of entire
groups. They're hard to come by because
federal judges don't like to authorize
those things and the FBI certainly can't
do it without a judge authorizing them.
But uh I ran one for a while. And what
you do is you look at every part of the
organization and uh you get wire taps
up. You uh in this case you would you
would get uh taps on all the all the
social feeds that you can find. And um
it becomes a big deal. And eventually if
you really want to do that, you will uh
stiff in an informant or or introduce an
informant or a cooperating witness or or
even an undercover agent into the
organization. And as you can probably
imagine, this whole thing takes time.
But I think the FBI is realizing that
there are these leftist groups and um
and I know people aren't going to be
happy about this, but what what you do
is you go after um people who share
their cause. We had white supremacists.
We had uh uh echo terrorists. And now I
think they're going to have to look at
uh uh at uh um LGBT terrorists.
Not the organization, not not the the
movement, not the people, but the
radical organizations that use that as a
a reason for
doing horrible violence.
>> So what what was that? You said hund
what was that that warrant that you said
you needed or can you explain that
again? something with with 100.
>> Yeah, it's it's it's been a while since
I've done this, but there is, you know,
every FBI case has a number. For
instance, uh nine is extortions. Uh
seven is a kidnapping. I'm sorry, nine
is a bank uh 91 is a bank robbery. Um
you know, they all have numbers. And the
100 case is an investigation of an
entire organization.
um that was used uh I believe on the
Aryan Nations group uh which no longer
exists and it g if authorized by a judge
it gives great uh latitude to the FBI to
use uh investigative techniques to uh
learn about the group and if necessary
infiltrate the group.
So, do you think in this situation um
they've gotten permission to try to
infiltrate some of these groups?
>> I think it would be a little bit early
at this point. Uh as as I said, the 100
case is not something you do lightly. I
think when I when I was working on one,
there were only two or three in the
entire nation. Uh this is this is
something that they take very seriously.
And you can't you can't just say we
don't like what these people are doing
or or we don't we think these people are
up to no good. You have to have de you
have to have information that would
indicate that they are in the process of
um of planning and orchestrating
violence and you have to bring that
information to the judge uh or the
judges who authorize it. You can't just
say these are bad people and they say
bad things. This, you know, you're going
to need to see weapons or an intent. And
um so they are if if if they started
this at the time of Charlie Kirk's
murder uh they are literally uh I mean
right at the beginning steps and uh
large investigations like this take a
long time to get running and uh there
may be some kind of uh acceleration with
this but you can understand this, Brian.
You as you go through, there's like
maybe 10 steps just just uh procedural
along the way. And if your investigation
starts showing less and less violent uh
ideology or or means or capability, then
that 100 will never be opened. uh they
will just say, "You know what? They're
we may not like uh how they're talking
or how they espouse violence, but we
don't have the authority uh to
investigate them because we don't see
them being violent. We don't we don't
have the the the critical mass to get a
case like this running."
>> And does a federal judge have to sign
off for an investigation like that where
agents would go undercover?
The um for a 100 uh yes they will have
to sign off uh on the case itself and
they will have to resign off um I I
would have to consult my my notes from
years ago but it's either every month
you have to get it reinstated or every 3
months you have to get it reinstated.
It's not a cart blanch. If you have a um
just a standard investigation on one or
two individuals for committing a murder
or or uh you know uh conducting
terrorist activities, that's different
from a 100. And um so you can do that
probably without a judge involved and
you can put informants in there or
undercover agents if you need to. So,
the governor here in Utah said that they
believe that um that the suspect uh
Tyler Robinson acted alone. Um they've
confirmed that his romantic partner is
trans and is transitioning from male to
female, but has been, in the governor's
words, quote, incredibly cooperative. Um
I'm just wondering,
do you think are they bluffing? Do you
think that they really they're going
they've been saying a lot how
cooperative this person has been which
makes me wonder like maybe they're
really being cooperative and they want
to protect that person or do they think
that maybe they know more than they're
letting on.
>> Uh
Brian, I don't know a whole bunch about
this individual and their involvement in
this and I am certainly not going to
give you an authoritative answer on
where this is. But when a person
immediately after a murder texts um a
close friend and says, "The rifle is
wrapped up. I dumped it. It needs to be
picked up." That implies knowledge of
what that rifle is and what it was used
for. You don't just say, "Hey, I need
you to come down and pick up my rifle."
Without questions coming back and
saying, "What rifle? What did you do?"
If there were no questions on that after
that text, uh I would be as an FBI agent
extremely
uh um interested in their involvement in
this. And yes, when a person's
cooperating, you don't want to snap
cuffs on them. Uh the other thing is
that if at any time uh you determine
that they are now um a suspect in the
case, the way you deal with them has to
change in a way that things like reading
them their rights and and giving them uh
their uh advising them that they have a
right to an attorney. And that has a
chilling effect uh uh with with someone
who's been cooperating.
>> And could they be thinking that that uh
romantic partner
I guess that could also be if they
actually want to investigate these
bigger groups if they really exist and
we don't know all of that yet. But they
I guess that person could be a window
into that world too.
>> Absolutely. And those are known as
cooperating witnesses. And cooperating
witnesses are extremely valuable.
They're either um they run the gamut
from people who just want to help to
people who have been wrapped up in one
of these cases and are uh doing this in
lie of prosecution. And so cooperating
witnesses are very important and they
could be uh using you know potentially
using this person. The problem is I
don't think anybody's going to um uh
engage with this person from violent
groups um knowing that they are
cooperating with the FBI. So that
person's uh value as a cooperating
witness is limited. And again, I just
want to say I am not saying the FBI
would investigate groups that are LGBTQ
or anything like that. I am saying that
they are they investigate terrorist
groups uh and terrorist groups have
various affiliations or assimilations
and so they're after a terrorist group
not the cause if that if that I just
want to be clear on that.
>> Yeah, of course. And we don't know what
these groups are. Um and like you said,
I mean these would be far fringe, you
know, groups. These aren't just like
LGBT or trans groups or, you know,
>> of course not. Of course not.
>> This would be, you know, groups that are
really advocating for violence. Um, do
you think is it really possible that
Tyler Robinson just acted totally alone
and absolutely no one knew? It just
seems hard to imagine that he told no
one had any idea.
>> Well, you know, there's two things. You
asked me two questions. Do I think it's
possible? Yes, I think it's possible. Do
I think that's what it was based on what
I've seen? No, I don't. Um I don't know
all the information and I can tell you
if this was my case and I was in the
FBI, I would still in the FBI, uh I
probably would be telling you the same
thing because I don't want uh anybody uh
convincing this witness to stop
cooperating.
Is it hard when you're in the FBI and
you're investigating a case like this
that has become so political um and has
really it's one of, you know, a lot of
these cases kind of get hijacked by
politics. I mean, there was a whole
group trying to say that the that um
Tyler Robinson was far right.
>> Uh and then there was a whole group the
next day trying to say that Tyler
Robinson was far left. And now, you
know, we have to go off the facts.
governor is saying that it is far-left
uh you know extremism indoctrination is
the word he used but I mean when you're
actually inside the case
>> how I mean brutal doesn't that bother
you when all that's you know like
>> yeah I can I can remember um a case I
worked where a white supremacist went
and uh machine gunned a group of kids at
a Jewish community center because they
were Jewish and
uh we the one of our offices had a 100
investigation on um the Aryan Nations
group at that time
and
this person was a member of that group.
However, the the the person who did the
violence, who k who shot the children
had left the group uh months before the
attack. And Janet Reno's first question
to me was, "Why weren't we following him
if he wasn't uh if he was part of the
Aryan Nations and were investigating
that group?" And and my answer was
because he left the group. And she said,
"Well, you should have kept following
him." I said, "No, no, no, no, no. You
don't, you know, and I almost said you
don't understand, you know, what we're
dealing with here. You can't under the
judge's guidelines and the attorney
general's guidelines follow somebody
after they've left an organization that
you're investigating because
technically, legally, they're no longer
part of the investigation. But you get
secondguessed
constantly on this and people
people want um results and sometimes
they want specific results and one thing
FBI agents learn to do early on is call
balls and strikes. We're not going to
tell you who's going to win the game.
And so that's that's one of the things
we dealt with. And uh it it you know
successful agents learn to deal with
with both bureaucracy and uh and
management coming in and desiring a
certain outcome. I had one agent one
time, one supervisor. I had a guy who
was going to going to conduct an attack
and we had it down to within days when
he was going to do it. And this
supervisor decided that he wanted a wire
tap in there uh on on this case because
it would make the case appear uh that we
had been using uh uh complicated
investigative techniques and uh make the
squad look better. And I said, "You
can't just do that to make us look
better. You have to go arrest this guy.
We don't have time for a wire tap. And
and so there are there are definitely
times when the agents on the street feel
that they're being pushed in directions
that are not appropriate for the cases.
Now, keep in mind, I I bleed FBI blue. I
love the FBI and my time there and felt
that 90 99% of the people were mission
focused. But, you know, there are people
with careers. Yeah, of course. Um,
something else that came out today is
that the uh the alleged assassin is not
cooperating with investigators. What do
you make of that?
>> I I I make of that that he met a lawyer.
Uh, the lawyer is going to make it uh uh
graphically clear to to uh the to the
person he's talking to exactly what a
lethal injection involves. and and how
you know he's going to scare the pants
off this individual and explain to him
how he was
absolutely all but putting the needle in
his own arm by talking to the police.
That's what he will tell him. Um whether
it's true or not. Um, and so it doesn't
surprise me because it's frequent that
you have somebody come in, uh, either be
arrested or turn themselves in and boom,
they want to tell you everything and a
day later all of a sudden they've
forgotten how to speak.
>> It's because of the lawyer.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I think they they actually
have firing squad in Utah, by the way.
>> They do. I've got uh I've got uh
somebody I worked a case of a fugitive
case back in ' 84 who's still waiting
for the firing squad in Utah.
>> And you how long did you live in Utah?
>> Just a couple years, but I worked white
supremacists while I was there and uh
had some pretty interesting experiences
there. went up and did undercover
surveillance against the Aryan nations
for for an entire winter uh up in uh
Sandp Point, Idaho area.
>> It's interesting. Um the I've spent a
little time here for vacation, but then
also I did like a political series where
I came through here. But the people are
very friendly. Um
>> side note, you know, I mean people are
very very nice here
>> and I loved it.
>> Yeah. And even like talking to people
here who are coming to the memorial for
Charlie Kirk at the university who are
Mormon, they're telling me how they're,
you know, praying and feel so terrible
for the attempted assa or the uh the um
alleged assassins family who's also
Mormon. Like there's a real community
spirit in that way. It seems like
>> there there is. And and uh it permeates
every part of society in in Utah. Um,
Salt Lake City is becoming less and less
Mormon, but the rest of the state is is
becoming, I believe, um, more insular
Mormon. And and that is not a bad
regardless of how you feel about
Mormonism or um, and I'm not LDS, but
uh, it was just an a group of extremely
nice people.
>> As always, I really appreciate Steve for
helping me break all of that down. Um, I
want to read you something. Oh, and also
by the way, I just wanted to say um you
know, I was reading a tweet thread
earlier about I know I'm focusing on
far-left extremist groups because that
is what the reporting is that they are
looking into in relation to this
assassination, but I was reading an
interesting tweet thread earlier about
the similarities between extreme
far-left extremist groups and extreme
faright groups. Um, and how dangerous
both can be. I mean, when you're talking
like the most extreme. Uh, so, um, yeah,
it's it's interesting to think about the
comparison between the two, and they're
on the opposite sides of the spectrum,
but in many ways, when it comes to their
dangers, they're very, very similar. Uh,
according to some articles that I've
read, there's something else new,
though, that I wanted to um,
read to you guys. This is from the New
York Times. Um, they've got some new
reporting, too. They say the day after
Charlie Kirk was killed, an acquaintance
of Tyler Rob Tyler Robinson's posed a
question to him in a group chat. The FBI
had just released two grainy
surveillance images of a skinny young
man in a cap and sunglasses walking in a
stairwell on the Utah Valley University
campus and had asked for the public's
help in identifying the suspect. Tagging
Mr. Robinson's username on Discord and
messaging platform, the acquaintance
attached the images and wrote, "Wa,
where you at?" with a skull emoji
suggesting that Mr. Robinson looked like
the man being sought. Mr. Robinson
replied within a minute, "His
doppelganger," he wrote, "was trying to
get me in trouble." That's interesting.
"Tyler killed Charlie," another user
wrote, apparently. "Nest." uh that was
on Thursday afternoon, according to the
New New York Times, around 1 p.m. It was
not until later that night, nearly 34
hours after the shooting, that Mr.
Robinson was arrested, uh connected to
the assassination.
The Discord messages were the clearest
glimpse yet of the suspect's demeanor in
the hours after the killing. And again,
this is according to New York Times.
They were shared with the New York Times
by someone who knew Mr. Robinson in high
school and has kept up with him in the
group chat, which includes about 20
people, but said he had not seen Mr.
Robinson in person for several years. He
spoke on the condition that his name not
be used, fearing harassment for being an
acquaintance of the suspect. Um, so just
kind of interesting when you think about
this these Discord messages and if Tyler
Robinson was, if this is true, was
communicating on Discord even after the
assassination. So, I'm going have to dig
into that, but it looks like the New
York Times is the only one reporting
that at this point. Um, so I'll keep
digging. I appreciate you guys for for
following along. Been a long been a long
couple of weeks here. I haven't been
home in a while. um popping around from
story to story. But uh going to keep at
it. I want to end this episode just with
some video that I just shot uh here at
the university um where you know the
memorial is and also they've they've
started um it's really uh sort of
amazing uh through sidewalk chalk now
leaving messages all over the university
for Charlie Kirk. So I'll leave you guys
with that. All right. See you.
supposed to get in the water.
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